More On The Mariners And Nationals!
I just couldn't leave you baby birds without some kind of proper recap, so let's see what else I've got.
The part of me that's bitter and doesn't like when other people are happier than I am, which is the biggest part of me, is delighted by the fact that Jim Riggleman up and left in the middle of a hot streak that's introduced the Nationals to big-picture relevance for the first time since the move. Instead of all those Nationals players and fans celebrating a thrilling series sweep, almost instantly they had to start wondering whether this will be some kind of turning point in the opposite direction. I don't know how important managers are in general, and I don't know how important Jim Riggleman was in particular, but a sudden resignation doesn't seem like the kind of thing that's in the team's best interests.
But even though I'm amused by the Nationals' predicament, that doesn't make up for the disappointment I feel about the Mariners getting swept. Now, it's important to understand that there's nothing embarrassing about this sweep. The Nationals have a better record and run differential than the Mariners do. The Nationals were playing at home, by NL rules. And all three losses were by one run, and easily could've swung the other way given one or two breaks. The Mariners met an even opponent under suboptimal circumstances, and played three even games.
But one doesn't have to be embarrassed to be disappointed, and now the M's are under .500 for the first time in almost a month. They're 2.5 behind the Rangers, and they've almost been caught by the Angels. Any fantasies that Dustin Ackley would be the savior of the lineup went out the window when the M's got shut out by Jason Marquis, and while nobody should be throwing in the psychological towel, this has been an unseen step in the sidewalk. It's hard to remember what the feeling was like after last weekend.
If there's a silver lining, it's this: it's easier to shake things up when things are going poorly than when things are going well. Ackley batting second was a shake-up. Now the team's been swept. Its weaknesses have been thrust into the spotlight. There's an opportunity to, say, demote Carlos Peguero and/or bring in a bat without having to worry about disrupting any flow. I don't know if the front office is going to do anything, but they could.
In Washington, the Mariners wasted three brilliant pitching performances, which sucks. The starters can't possibly keep pitching this well. But then, the lineup can't possibly keep hitting this poorly. I guess the best thing to do is to remind yourself that things are never as grim as they seem after a sweep. A win or two would fix so much, at least in our heads.
Your Thursday afternoon bullet holes:
- It was just during the podcast - either during the actual recording, or maybe before it while we were warming up - that Matthew mentioned how Michael Pineda hadn't been so dominant lately. He worked on that no-hitter against the Phillies, sure, but in terms of missed bats, he'd missed a total of 22 over his previous three starts. That's fine for most pitchers, but below what we've come to expect from Pineda, and so we weren't sure if it was a sign of fatigue or hitters adjusting or something else along those lines. It was something to which we decided we ought to pay attention.
Well, any concern we had can be put on the shelf, because Michael Pineda just dominated the Nationals. He started out with an alarmingly slow fastball, but that fastball worked, and so did the faster fastball he eased in later on. Pineda threw 97 pitches over seven shutout innings. 70 of those pitches were strikes. Nationals hitters took 58 swings, and of those 58 swings, 21! of them - 36% - missed. 21 swinging strikes! And only two of them against the pitcher. The hitters just couldn't catch up with even his B-grade fastball, which made his slider a weapon, which made his game a great one.
You can really tell from a lot of the swings he gets how difficult Pineda is to hit, presumably because he's releasing the ball so close. If Pineda released the ball any further forward he'd have to throw it backwards. - With one out and a runner on third in the bottom of the first, Ryan Zimmerman lifted a very shallow fly ball to the outfield. Franklin Gutierrez made the catch, but Jayson Werth decided to challenge him, and Gutierrez threw him out at the plate. Only replays suggested that Miguel Olivo didn't connect with his sweep tag. So Werth was probably safe, which might make you feel a little better about losing 1-0. Or it might make you feel worse I guess.
- Jason Marquis is one of those guys who, even when he's working on a no-hitter, leaves you thinking "yeah there's no way this schlub is throwing a no-hitter." But still, he took one into the sixth before Pineda hacked at a first-pitch high fastball and dropped a flare between three guys in shallow center field. Michael Pineda and Carlos Peguero have been responsible for breaking up potential no-hitters.
- Michael Morse made good contact on this slider and lined a single into center.
- It was a quiet day for Dustin Ackley at the plate. He drew a walk in the fourth, but he also went 0-for-3 with three easy groundouts, with two of them being outside pitches pulled to second. Additionally, he swung through a pitch for the first time (31 total swings). But Ackley did make a notable play in the field on a Danny Espinosa bunt in the seventh. Espinosa pulled a bunt sharply to the right side that Ackley had to charge. As he got the ball in his glove, Espinosa was nearing the bag, so Ackley tried to flip the ball from his glove to Justin Smoak. The flip was on target, but Smoak couldn't make the catch, and Espinosa was safe. I'm not sure if Ackley had time to transfer the ball to his throwing hand to make the play easier, but the way he tried it looked good.
- With two on and two out in the bottom of the seventh of a scoreless game, Jim Riggleman let Jason Marquis bat against Michael Pineda, even though Marquis had to that point thrown 94 pitches. Riggleman didn't formally resign until after the game was over, but apparently he'd made up his mind much earlier on.
- Last year, Miguel Olivo drew 18 walks in his first 41 games, and nine walks in his last 71. This year, Olivo drew 16 walks in his first 45 games, and has drawn zero in his 20 games since. I have no idea what could contribute to this. I don't understand how fatigue might be related to plate discipline, but here we are, and I've no other clue.
- Today, Jack Wilson made his second appearance of the season at shortstop, and first since April 5th. With the bases loaded and nobody out in the ninth, he made a diving stop on a Jerry Hairston Jr. groundball and made a perfect throw to home plate to get the force and keep the game going. Ultimately it didn't matter since the M's still lost, but Jack Wilson has not forgotten how to play short.
- Chris Ray's ninth inning: groundball, perfect bunt, bunt on which Adam Kennedy made the wrong decision, groundball, fly out. ERA: up!
Felix Hernandez and Ricky Nolasco tomorrow in the first of three home road games. I'm trying to think of the perfect Marlins attendance joke but now I'm thinking it's actually kind of played out, so I'll write this sentence instead and move on.
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That's one helluva muffin top.
Good eye, Jeff.
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
How does ticket revenue work in a series like this?
I’m assuming the Mariners at least have to recoup their operating expenses, but do they get to keep some extra off the top?
How does ticket revenue normally work?
I guess I’ve never thought about it/done any research, but my naive assumption is that the two teams split the net gate since doing so would seem to be in the interest of all non-large market teams and, well, I’m guessing that the majority rules within the owners association.
Does anyone have a definitive answer?
by BigMtnMonkey on Jun 23, 2011 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you talking about the Marlins games?
U2 paid to use the Marlins stadium, they get their money. Mariners are hosting the games here and they get their money. Season ticketholders didn’t get these ticketd, and after lots and lots of complaining they offered them to us at a minor discount… I don’t think they will be very well attended.
Unfortunate because I really wanted to see Felix hit at home, but both my kids got their tonsils out this morning, so they are unable to leave the house.
by ambrosia2112 on Jun 23, 2011 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't think about the idea of Felix hitting at home until you mentioned it
Its too bad I will be moving this weekend, otherwise I would definitely be at the games.
2011 Safeco Field Record: 1-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 13-5
I wonder how many people believe this is the beginning of the end. I try to keep it in retrospect:
-We lost in incredible fashion on Tuesday, that doesn’t need to be re-hashed. Probably 1 error away from winning, or 1 strikeout, or 1 any out.
-We lost yesterday on 2 unearned runs.
-We lost today on a 0-0 sac fly.
Moral of the story, our defense has let us down and our offense is awful, but our pitching is still amazing. I think Ackley is one key component to improving this team. We need to make another move somehow, somewhere, but in the AL West its far too early to give up when I’d say that Angels and A’s are still further away from being good than we are.
Keep your chins up.
follow @casetines
Our starting rotation pitched well enough to sweep the series and take us into first place.
Which, wow, we’re still near 1st place.
All three of these games could have easily ended as Mariner victories.
I didn’t really see anything in these games that changed my mind about this team. They’re still in it, and it’s almost July.
I think it was "Blessed are the cheesemakers".
by Romanes eunt domus on Jun 23, 2011 8:27 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
All of these games were winnable
But that doesn’t make me feel any better about it. These are the types of losses that could allow Texas or possibly the Angels to put some distance between us and them. Losing games that could have gone the other way is something you take solace in when you are 10 games under .500 and out of race. The season is by no means over and the M’s are still in it, but if this team wants to make the playoffs these are the types of games you need to find a way to win.
We're still in it, ironically, because the rest of the division is having trouble winning games like those.
And its looking more and more like whichever team starts winning them will take the division.
And how god damn annoying will it be if that team winds up being the angels.
I've spent the past month believing this team has a shot
I’m now reminded that while they may have a shot at the playoffs this year, my pre-season hope of an enjoyable season but probably about a .500 record and no playoffs is still playing out. And that’s good enough for 2011.
by TripleAvery on Jun 23, 2011 4:50 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Oh yeah, that's gonna be weird. I will be there tomorrow,
but I think saying “root for the AWAY team” flows better?
I would go for
“root for the ROAD team”
by USCmarinersFAN on Jun 23, 2011 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Except Minnesota.
In Minnesota, they use “Home Team,” rather than awkwardly force “Twi-ins” in there.
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jun 24, 2011 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Guess who just got named interim manager of the Nationals?
John McLaren.
by Public Image, Ltd. on Jun 23, 2011 4:59 PM PDT reply actions
That is just awesome
by SuperDopaLiciousFunkStar on Jun 23, 2011 5:17 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
John McLaren has now twice become a manager
after the skipper of a hot team suddenly resigns. Has anybody else ever achieved this feat?
by groovewrangler on Jun 23, 2011 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Jim Riggleman
How come you can do all this other great shit, but you can't lie the fuck down and sleep?
Pineda's fastball(s)...
I haven’t seen anyone put this thought out there, but Pineda’s “slower” fastball early on may be premeditated. By showing the hitters a slower pitch in their first at bat, it could leave them unprepared for his real heat in subsequent at-bats…
Did you have any reason to believe otherwise?
by Fearless Frog on Jun 24, 2011 10:35 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Just the general field of 'ball players'
Not anything particularly against Pineda himself.
After having to listen to the Nationals announcing duo for three consecutive nights, my opinion of the average baseball player’s intellect is at an all-time low.
Seriously, were they even watching the game?
One of Pineda’s first 96 MPH fastballs of the game missed up high and they called it a breaking ball. That was the last straw and I muted them after that.
Not to mention how many times they quoted their own screen graphics incorrectly
That doesn’t even require any knowledge, just literacy.
I threw a comment up about it in the game thread
Is it a silly idea to have a SS/3B combo of Ryan/Wilson? I know you’d like to hit more out of your 3B but if they are playing amazing defense maybe it wouldn’t be so bad. It probably mostly depends on how good/bad you think Figgins or Kennedy is.
I plan on driving all the way up from Seattle to watch this road game.
They better damn well give me some rally fries.
...and now I'm here
by CapSea on Jun 23, 2011 5:43 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Felix making damn sure to collect the ball from the rook's first hit
by lemonverbena on Jun 24, 2011 7:16 AM PDT up reply actions
i'll never forget the felix grand slam
i was there live for that one. it was amazing.
Poor Mac.
@Mark Zuckerman Club source: John McLaren will be “short-term” manager until #Nats can find interim manager for rest of season.
Part of me expects Z to make an annoucement that we signed someone who can hit.
Part of me thinks that he scrapped the idea because we aren’t over .500 anymore.
This has truly been a roller coaster of a season and it’s not even the all-Star break!
Mariners are still only 2.5 games back. They aren't out of it yet.
2011 Safeco Field Record: 1-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 13-5
Nats fan still celebrating
in spite of cataclysmic postgame news.
Well, now I can go back to liking all most things Seattle. Good luck catching the Texans, guys.
At best, the Texans can only get 16 wins
There is no way they can catch us this season
by Craptastic-J on Jun 24, 2011 6:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Do not be so literal, my friend.
The Rangers are also a legendary law enforcement organization, but one doesn’t always have to say “beat the Rangers — meaning, of course, the baseball team.”
Anyway the Rangers play the Mets this weekend. So unfortunatley I’ll have to root for them – meaning the Rangers – meaning the baseball team the Rangers. Who used to be the Expansion Senators.
by Elvin Unseld on Jun 24, 2011 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Good clarification on "Expansion Senators."
For a minute there, I thought you were talking about the Twins.
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jun 24, 2011 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Earned runs is a stupid stat.
You know what’s stupider, though?
Getting swept when you only give up two earned runs in three games.
Wonder if anyone’s ever done that before.
Felix is Felix and, holy cow, Bedard and Pineda have been amazing. Fister has been getting better and better and Vargas is the same effective back-end starter that he was last year.
I think it’s safe to say that this is the best half-season that any Mariner rotation has put together in the team’s entire history.
Vargas isn't really back-end anymore
He’s not an ace, but he’s a solid third starter on pretty much any team not at home in Philadelphia. The same goes for Fister.
This team’s glut of quality starting pitchers is really just absurd. In an awesome way.
Rick Rizzs
Did anybody notice that Rick called Bernadina “Bernadino” the whole series? I found that a little annoying.
"But then, the lineup can't possibly keep hitting this poorly."
2010 stopped by for a chat and a cup of coffee. Just casual, like. Says hi.
This is not the 2010 lineup.
I get the point your going for, but this is a different team. It seems to me that our offense this season has basically come down to good when Kennedy and Olivo are hitting and bad when they aren’t (“good” in this case is relative of course) but I have much more confidence in Olivo or Kennedy or even Ryan to go on another hot streak than I did with Rob Johnson or Jack Wilson or Jose Lopez last season.
Of course not
But the notion that a team must regress to some kind of mean, or can’t continue to as bad as they appear is simply flawed (which is where 2010 says hello). Yes, these broken pieces are better than last year’s broken pieces, and yes, they are on a pace to score a few more runs.
However, by any objective measure, this year’s offense sucks and if it wasn’t for last year’s record low waterline, we would be able to see so more objectively. Oh, and the defense sucks too, which was unexpected. But that merely points out that optimizing a team for defense isn’t as wise or predictable as one might think.
This year’s pitching is better, primarily because we have three top quality starters and two upper second tier guys rounding out the rotation. And they’ve stayed healthy. If we had the same patchy pitching as last year we would look almost as bad as last year’s team.
by Dave Paisley on Jun 24, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
2010 does nothing to show why this year's lineup can possibly keep hitting as poorly as it did during the series vs. the Nationals.
Especially since that team hit better than this team did in this series.
Apparently Baker thinks Zduriencik MUST get a bat.
well, that’s what the link says, anyway. I’m not actually planning on reading it.
Other than the lack of 2007 references.
It’s basically an article that most people come to expect from Baker.
He has to get a bat. There is no way around it. He has to at least appear like he notices the glaring reason we can't get over this .500 hump.
I fucking hate you Mariners
by kentroyals5 on Jun 24, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Its no secret that the offense is what holding this team back.
The question isn’t would adding a bat help, its whether the team should add a bat, = Baker seems to be missing the fact that chances are pretty good that the Mariners pitching won’t be this good by September since Pineda will probably get shut down at some point. Also if they do decide to add a bat its about adding the right bat for the right price. If the right guy isn’t available or the other team wants too much there is nothing Zduriencik can do about it. Going after players because you feel like you have to get somebody is how you wind up paying $20 million a year for Carlos Silva.
Technically we agreed to pay $12 million a year to Carlos Silva
The extra $8 million was to get him to go away.
Fuck Carlos Silva.
I hope the Nationals rue their Pyrrhic victory.
They swept us, but at what cost? I hope other teams took note!
The good news is that the team from Washington won!
The Mariners are from Washington!

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