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Mariners Lose To Nationals As Part Of Deliberate High School Stunt To Find Out Who Their True Friends Are

In a way, you can't blame the Mariners. It's immature, sure, but everybody loved them after they knocked off the Phillies. And while it's fun to get that much attention, the Mariners knew it wasn't all genuine. They knew it wasn't all coming from a deep, sincere place. They knew that people fall in love with anyone who knocks down a giant, so they devised a scheme to find out who really cares, and who just wanted to hang with the cool kids.

Hence yesterday's loss to the Nationals, and hence today's loss to the Nationals, too. The Mariners have sacrificed themselves, made themselves look worse on purpose, all in an effort to find out who's really committed. It's a very tenth grade maneuver, but sometimes you just have to know, and now the Mariners know. Or, at least, they have a better idea.

I think how you respond to these two losses says a lot about who you are as a baseball fan. Not whether you're a good or bad baseball fan - the older I get, the less sure I am that there's any such thing as a bad baseball fan. But it says something about your attitude. There are plenty of reasons to sense imminent doom. Plenty of reasons to think the hat's out of rabbits. And there are plenty of reasons to think this is just a bump in the road to an as yet undetermined destination. After all, just a few days ago the Mariners beat the Phillies, and they've bounced back from some real bad losses earlier in the year. I understand both sides, even if one's a little more rational than the other.

So maybe instead of using this time to dwell on another frustrating loss, you can use it instead to reflect on your attitude. What is your current attitude? How did it develop? Why did it develop? Do you wish you could change it? I'm sure there are bad times to get caught up in introspection, but the time after watching the Mariners get six hits and lose to the Nationals isn't one of them. We're not going to learn anything new about Chone Figgins tonight, so we might as well learn something about ourselves.

Star-divide

A limited selection of bullet holes for a game I'd like to forget:

  • The story's going to be that the Mariners wasted an awesome outing by Erik Bedard, and that's because the Mariners wasted an awesome outing by Erik Bedard. Not only did Bedard spin six earned run-less innings, with ten strikeouts - he did that on an incredibly efficient 87 pitches. He only came out because the M's needed a pinch-hitter in the seventh, which was the right move to make.

    I think Matthew's going to have a post sometime soon about Bedard's continued progress, but as a sneak peek, over his last eight starts now he's thrown 50.1 innings, with 12 walks, two home runs, and 57 strikeouts. He's been performing at a comparable level to what he did with the Orioles in 2007, when he was among baseball's best starters. I don't know how long this is going to last, but it seems like every time Bedard takes the hill these days I come away with more confidence.

    Tonight, he just didn't give the Nationals much of anything. As with Fister on Tuesday, Bedard didn't allow a recorded line drive. 69% of his pitches were strikes, and 12 of Washington's 41 swings missed completely. His fastball velocity was good, and he used the pitch to blow away the likes of Ryan Zimmerman and Michael Morse. Literally my only complaint about Bedard tonight was his pace, but given the weather, and given his results, that's a lamer complaint than saying that E.L. Fudge cookies taste too buttery. Butter is delicious!

  • Before the game, when I realized that Dustin Ackley wasn't in the Mariners' starting lineup, I felt a noticeable reduction in interest. Then I remembered that Dustin Ackley wasn't even on the Mariners' roster as recently as a week ago. I thought I was really interested in the Mariners a week ago. Turns out I just didn't realize how much more interested I could be. Rooting for the Mariners has been like hiking up a mountain, and then another hiker comes by and says "oh by the way this is an active volcano."

  • A lot of stadiums will play recorded sound clips when the home team pitcher has two strikes on a batter in an effort to get the crowd involved. In the top of the sixth, when John Lannan got to two strikes against Brendan Ryan, the stadium PA started playing a clip, then lowered the volume and allowed it to trail off as the fans sat quiet and still. I thought that moment really captured what a Mariners/Nationals series is all about.

  • As a pinch-hitter in the top of the seventh, Jack Cust faced a lefty, swung at the first pitch, and ran out an infield single, which is like a fish walking on land, identifying a deli, and verbally ordering a sandwich.

  • The home plate umpire was somebody named John Tumpane. I don't pay a lot of attention to umpires anymore because I've come to realize that getting upset with them never gets anyone anywhere, but I still like to think that I'm familiar with most of their names. So rarely do I encounter an umpire I've never heard of before. I've never heard of John Tumpane before. "Tumpane" doesn't even sound like a real name. Tumpane sounds like a name an alien in a human disguise would come up with when it needs to identify itself after sneaking into someone's house and hastily reads syllables off containers on the counter.

  • Fresh off the bench as a pinch-hitter in the seventh, Ackley took consecutive triple-digit fastballs that narrowly missed to get ahead 2-0, then shot a 99mph fastball right back up the middle for a base hit. Ackley batted once and still extended his hitting streak to five games. With most young players, we celebrate signs of progress. Ackley isn't really making progress, because he's practically already there.

  • Chone Figgins committed an error on a grounder in the first that indirectly led to a run, made a questionable decision on a grounder in the fourth that indirectly led to a run, and went 0-for-4 at the plate with a pair of strikeouts, including a three-pitch strikeout to end the game in which he didn't lift the bat off his shoulders. I do think that a lot of people are being unreasonable with their current hatred of Figgins, but Figgins is not doing himself any favors. You wonder at what point dropping him outright becomes a justifiable decision. I don't know that the M's are there yet, but I know that point exists, and is drawing closer by the day.

Michael Pineda and Jason Marquis bright and early tomorrow morning. Or at least early tomorrow morning. I'm a blogger, not a meteorologist.

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Stone cold killer.

How come you can do all this other great shit, but you can't lie the fuck down and sleep?

by JAH on Jun 22, 2011 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's all starting to make sense

03/26/11

Biancalana called Laffey late last season and suggested he could help, and the youngster took him up on it in February, shortly after arriving in Arizona for Spring Training with the Indians. After being traded to the Mariners for Minor League infielder Matt Lawson, he’s continued honing his new mental approach.

“Instead of focusing on ‘Throw a strike, throw a strike,’ it’s more about staying within yourself, don’t get ahead of yourself, be more relaxed, more self-aware,” he said. “It’s basically taking all the stress out of the game and letting your mind work from a deeper level.”

by ThundaPC on Jun 22, 2011 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

For as much hate as Figgins is getting, it's worth noting Ichiro also made a pretty bad baserunning mistake

And then there was just the general inability to hit with runners on

Do you want to hear about my fantasy team?

by Cantu Easley Winn on Jun 22, 2011 9:24 PM PDT reply actions  

If you're talking about the Smoak liner, there was nothing he could've done

Zimmerman would’ve easily tagged him out had he tried to get back to 3rd.

Yes, we have a coupon.

by Crystal for DH on Jun 22, 2011 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or he could have just stayed on the base until the ball got through.

Not saying that would be easy. But he could have prevented, don’t you think?

by M'sFanatic on Jun 22, 2011 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is it unlikely that he could have just stayed put on the base?

When a ball is hit like that, obviously you can just stay on the base. Well, unless, he was leading pretty far off the base.

by M'sFanatic on Jun 22, 2011 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe, he could have been a little more cautious.

Yes, most runners do like to lead off to get closer to the next base. But in this case, the next base is home plate so you would want to be much more cautious because of how close you are to scoring a run.

by M'sFanatic on Jun 22, 2011 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

He wasn't taking a huge lead.

The lead was small, but after the pitch, he took his secondary lead. There was zero chance he could have made it back to the base on time, and there’s no reason not to have a secondary lead at that point.

The only way he is safe is if he takes no lead at all and stays on the base the entire time, which when you think about it, makes no sense at all and is really silly to even question. That’s just one of those “aww shit” situations where there is nothing anyone could have done.

by Kyle Rancourt on Jun 22, 2011 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

Contact play.

I believe he was running on contact – it was kind of just dumb luck. Would have been nice not to force the issue with fewer than 2 outs, but such is life.

by BennyGStein on Jun 22, 2011 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

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As a pinch-hitter in the top of the seventh, Jack Cust faced a lefty, swung at the first pitch, and ran out an infield single, which is like a fish walking on land, identifying a deli, and verbally ordering a sandwich.

Brilliant.

by flashbeak on Jun 22, 2011 9:27 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

I laughed hard the first time at "verbally ordering a sandwich."

On second read I think “identifying a deli” is actually funnier. I don’t know how I survived as an M’s fan before these recaps.

by Zwakamatsu on Jun 22, 2011 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I wish would could REC individual bullet holes

because I think we all would have rec’d the hell out of this one

by egreenlaw9 on Jun 23, 2011 3:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I allow one baseball thing per day to my facebook

And I’m really pissed that I wasted it before I saw this

by egreenlaw9 on Jun 23, 2011 3:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great recap Jeff.

When you stop and think about it, there are really way more positives to take out of these past two games than negatives. In fact, I would say the only negatives have been the defensive lapses, Chone Figgins, and of course the L column of the M’s record.

by ATM's34 on Jun 22, 2011 10:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Fans need to know what a Bobby Bonilla deal is.

I’m a fan, and for holy fuck’s sake I had no idea what this was and how awful it was.

Google it, read the articles, but Bobby Bonilla is being paid $1.19M FOR THE NEXT 25 YEARS (beginning in 2011) for basically a DFA in 2000 that would have cost them $5.9M.

That is some Marlins Stadium batshit financing.

Holy crap let’s hope we just pay the damn thing off and write it off as such.

by egreenlaw9 on Jun 23, 2011 3:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't always reply to myself, but when I do....

At what point do MLB execs just basically start writing off 20 percent (or more/less) of payroll as “lost causes” and go from there?

Seriously, it feels like so many teams have “albotross” contracts that they’re just waiting to be rid of (ahem! Silva… Washburn… Ibanez… Sexson… Bautista… “Beltre”… – sarcastic quotes) only to sign themselves to brand new ones every year.

You can’t avoid fucking up on this (unless you go for only 1 year contracts – which I personally would love), so what is the other option?

Just factor into the budget that you’re going to screw up sometimes. Try to sign the guys you really know early and long-term and keep it short otherwise, right?

I just wish that we had a system in place that allowed for Cirillo’s to happen.

by egreenlaw9 on Jun 23, 2011 3:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think "writing off" works the way you think it works

salary obligations are just that – obligations. Unless the team trades the player, they are on the hook for the full amount of that player’s salary – which, after all, the team agreed to pay.

by pdb on Jun 23, 2011 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

It doesn't seem like there is much else the Mariners can do for Figgens

He looks defeated out there now, like anything and eveything he’s tried to get going hasn’t worked. I’d bet that no one in the world, including the most rabid Mariners fan, wants to see him break out than he does himself. It must be immeasurable frustrating.

by PackBob on Jun 22, 2011 10:33 PM PDT reply actions  

"FIGGINS"

It lacks an E. Ironically.

by fiftyone on Jun 22, 2011 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Disagree- Jeremy Irons could make Figgins haul all of his baseball equipment on his back...

through the jungle and up a giant waterfall. Only after he & the baseball gods have determined he has suffered enough will he be able to cut away his equipment. Absolved of his sins, he shall hit again.

by Matsui on Jun 22, 2011 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't watch the game today and I felt kind of bad about this.

I actually wasn’t annihilated by the tough loss — there was so much bad luck involved — and then I was excited by the idea of maybe getting Ryan Ludwick or somebody, like maybe Jack Z wanted to cheer us all up with the thrill of novelty.

But then, as Batman once said “Man does not live by crimefighting alone” it’s also true that there sometimes more to life than baseball, and other matters pressed in on me… so that when I checked and the Ms were losing 2-0 and Dustin Ackley was not in the line-up I had a “Fuck this shit” moment and ignored the game because I knew we would lose.

I didn’t realize this was all a test. A hard one.

ignacio

by ignacio on Jun 22, 2011 10:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Dustin Ackley is like a hard drug.
I thought I was really interested in the Mariners a week ago. Turns out I just didn’t realize how much more interested I could be.

Like someone spiked our morning coffee with uncut cocaine. I felt irritable and incapable of joy until he was put into the game. Then momentary euphoria… which lapsed too quickly into numbness and a hunger for more when the game ended.

by stredarts on Jun 22, 2011 11:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Question about UZR.

It came up in the gamethread, but am I correct in thinking that UZR is a blackbox, and dependent on whatever this MGL does?

If this is so, is it really reliable to use it for WAR?
WAR is now a big deal among the masses (including me), it’s an easy number to disseminate and cite.

I mean, in theory, this MGL could be bribed for whatever reason. (Note, this is just in theory, assuming there are no independent checks on UZR. I do not like to think it would be likely, nor do I personally know MGL, but even paragons of virtue in many cases end up having a price, especially when they’re not being well compensated otherwise. I mean nobody but himself could definitely state that such a notion could be completely impossible.)

I write this because I do not believe that Ichiro is the 4th worst fielder in all of MLB among outfielders (the worst rightfielder out there), and really has a whopping negative dWAR of -1.1 so far.

Nor do I believe that Figgins can have a positive 0.5, nor Choo of the Indians (although I like him) be the best defensive rightfielder out there.

Basically I’m just wondering if there is any independent checks on UZR? How much of a blackbox is it?

by daveinny on Jun 23, 2011 12:02 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Total Zone Rating gives Chone Figgins a +.5 too and Ichiro a -1.1.

I’m having problems understanding how any two related metrics could presumably be this wrong and why we hadn’t noticed this issue much before this year, at least not to the extreme of starting to ignore a stat like WAR that has been used so often for so long.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Jun 23, 2011 3:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

MGL is not the nicest person.

But it’s his algorithm that’s wrong, not his choices necessarily. As far as I know, he doesn’t do anything in UZR by hand. It is a counting stat though, so it’s frustrating to watch a good week of defense inexplicably cause the number to go down, and a bad week of defense seem to make the number go up.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Jun 23, 2011 4:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Some thoughts.

I read this. Some theories why it doesn’t always provide accurate data:

- It doesn’t include foul balls, even if the player tracks it down.
- It doesn’t include line drives for infielders, so if the hard hit balls Figgins missed are line drives, they’d be excluded.
- From what I’m aware, it uses this (although it may have been updated). One small miscalculation for how a player is positioned at Safeco and the calculation is ruined.

Anyway, I’ve posted enough about this, but I’ve found looking at these errors to be pretty fascinating. It’s too bad this has all seemed to come out just as Sims et al started posting UZR during broadcasts.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Jun 23, 2011 4:15 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thank you very much.

These are very instructive.

And also illustrate very well what Jeff said about UZR and WAR being possibly questionable numbers.

But the bad thing is that WAR and UZR boil things down to simple numbers which can be grasped by the masses and is going mainstream (as CapSea pointed out).

by daveinny on Jun 24, 2011 1:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

MGL isn't really making a black box but he definitely isn't explaining it well

I think you could piece together about 95% of it if you looked at all the posts and comments he has ever made on it. He usually states improvements he makes to it and talks about what UZR includes. He definitely doesn’t make it easy.

UZR is probably roughly as good as anything else out there. It seems from what it sounds like MGL and others need better quality data to make any improvements.

by Edgar for Pres on Jun 23, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know, this may be a stupid idea.

Is it worth asking Figgins to take a AAA assignment for a while? I don’t have an irrational hate for the guy but he’s in a terrible slump and I’m really beginning to worry about eating ~$20M over 2012-13. If he’s so willing to get out of the funk, maybe he’d be willing to take a few weeks in Tacoma?

He’d have to pass through waivers and accept the assignment, but I doubt either of those things would be an issue? I guess he could refuse assignment and ask for his release and retire? Fish for a new contract now/next spring?

by doublemazaa on Jun 23, 2011 12:07 AM PDT reply actions  

You are worried about having to eat 20 million?

Imagine how the front office and owners feel. That is a shit-ton of money, even for them.

by Kinyo on Jun 23, 2011 12:19 AM PDT reply actions  

I don't care about the money, just the roster implications of the money.

I’m of firm belief that all MLB teams make a decent profit, despite what MLB may say. The ownership sets the payroll at a level where they make what they need to, even if the team sucks. If they’re forced to eat a big contract the only group that suffers is the fans.

by doublemazaa on Jun 23, 2011 12:32 AM PDT reply actions  

Yes, sorry.

Got stung by the sb site bug where if you type a reply and then go back by accident, when you go forward your reply isn’t connected to the parent comment anymore.

by doublemazaa on Jun 23, 2011 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you type a reply to a comment, but don't submit it,

and then hit back on your browser, and then hit forward again, you’lll see you comment is now at the bottom of the comments, and no longer linked to the comment you were intending to reply to. If you’re trying to reply to a comment at the bottom of the page, it’s not really all that clear that it’s about to go ALL WRONG.

by doublemazaa on Jun 23, 2011 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was demoralized by yesterday's game

The replay of tonight’s was on when I got home. It was 2-1 in the top of the fifth. I decided to just check the result, and upon seeing that neither team scored the rest of the game, I was glad I did.

I’ll probably watch the Florida series, if only for the novelty of seeing the pitchers swing the bats in Safeco. Hopefully something good will happen.

by Aly Edge on Jun 23, 2011 3:05 AM PDT reply actions  

On outright releasing Figgins, or at least reducing him to a utility/pinch running role

The Ms owe him 17M over the next two years. The M’s currently are paying Betancourt Silva and Bradley ~20M. As hard as it is to put 17M into the 25th man, it’s not unprecedented and may hurt the team less than trying to salvage a lost cause.

I don’t hate Figgins, I’m just supremely dissapointed in him. The dream scenario at this point is for him to go Johjima though it seems unlikely.

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 23, 2011 8:19 AM PDT reply actions  

That decision by Johjima was really classy (from our perspective)

As was what Gil Meche did with the Royals.

Nothing against Chone, but I don’t think there’s much of any chance of that happening in this particular situation. I don’t disagree with having him play utility for a while, if only just to give him a chance to get his head right.

by cwel87 on Jun 23, 2011 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

How many chances has he been given to get his head right?

I think the only hope at this point is that he gets his shit together after the All-Star break – like last year.

by Hiccup on Jun 23, 2011 10:11 AM PDT reply actions  

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