Series Preview: Tampa Rays @ Seattle Mariners
| MARINERS (28-27) | Δ Ms | RAYS (29-26) | EDGE | |
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| HITTING (wOBA) | -49.6 (29th) | -9.1 | -0.6 (15th) | Tampa |
| ROTATION (tRA) |
17.2 (6th) | 2.1 | -10.7 (19th) | Seattle |
| BULLPEN (tRA) |
8.0 (7th) | -0.1 | 2.2 (13th) | Seattle |
| OVERALL(RAA) |
-24.4 (22nd) | -7.2 | -9.1 (20th) | TAMPA |
The Mariners miss out on facing David Price while the Rays avoid Michael Pineda. Lucky for them. Or maybe lucky for us because the Rays are somewhat stacked with patient left-handed hitters. Including their starting first basemen Casey Kotchman and his nearly .900 OPS. Do all the people over this past offseason who decried Jack Zduriencik because of his terrible moves and cited Kotchman as one want to pipe up here?
Naturally, the only meaningful difference between Kotchman this year and Kotchman as a Mariners is his BABIP which was .229 with Seattle and is orbiting at .383 as a Ray. The power, the discipline, the batted balls, it's all almost completely the same, but now he's batting .358. He is not this good just as he was not that bad last season. Just like Chris Ray wasn't likely to be as bad as he was the first week and just as Chone Figgins isn't likely to be this bad either.
David Price is Tampa's only starting southpaw so get ready for four more days of Carlos Peguero. And lo how did the citizenry cast down their eyes and bemoan their fate.
Thu 02 Jun 19:10 |
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| FELIX HERNANDEZ | JAMES SHIELDS | |
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I am not worried about Felix Hernandez in the slightest, but I have noticed that it has been quite a while since he last had one of those ground ball dominant games. While still good, Felix's ground ball rate is at the lowest of his career by quite a margin. The strikeouts are slightly up and the walks are still fine, but he is a slightly worse pitcher because of it. Again, not a concern, but it is something I am looking out for.
James Shields had a bump in the road last season as his home runs spiked to a career high 34 and his ERA jumped to over 5 thanks in large part to that and a .341 BABIP. Both numbers have fallen off and with a large increase in strikeouts, Shields is currently pitching better than ever. Until now that is because he's about to run into the pain train! Feel the hot wrath of Adam Kennedy and Miguel Olivo, James. You don't get this kind of heat down in Tampa.
Fri 03 Jun 19:10 |
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| JASON VARGAS* | ANDY SONNANSTINE | |
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I did not know that Andy Sonnanstine was still around. After his under appreciated 2008 campaign while part of our traitorous bandwagoning of the Rays, he became a bit of a local darling and then promptly became terrible in 2009 and fell out of favor everywhere he went. Even his cat ran away. He moved to the bullpen but saw no better success there and still waffles between the two roles. When he was good, he was similar in profile to Doug Fister and is the sort of tale that causes me to never trust Fister.
Batters are swinging much less often against Jason Vargas this season. 47% of his pitches were swung at last season but that is down to 42.5% this year. That has aided Vargas in getting more called strikeouts. While they used to represent about 1 in every 5 strikeouts he recorded, this season they are over 1 in 3. Most of those have come on his fastball.
Sat 04 Jun 13:10 |
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| DOUG FISTER | JEREMY HELLICKSON | |
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Jeremy Hellickson's second exposure to the Majors is not going as well as his first. His control is worse and the strikeouts are down. The superficial results are still there, but the Mariners must do their best to destroy him as he presents competition to Michael Pineda's bid for Rookie Award. Why do we have a Rookie Award anyways? Why that and no Sophomore Player Award? Why no Under-23 Award? We are inescapable creatures or the status quo.
Sun 05 Jun 13:10 |
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| ERIK BEDARD* | WADE DAVIS | |
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Erik Bedard is not going to return to his 2006-7 form. That is probably gone for good, dispersed into the ephemeral mist of our memories and the emotionless whirring of our databases. However, after a rocky start, Bedard of 2011 is similar in numbers to the Bedard of 2008-9. That's not superstar Erik Bedard but it is good Erik Bedard and importantly, this is a so far healthy version. That has to be a wonderful feeling in between the aches and pains of pitching; each of which must be terrifying.
The thrust of Wade Davis is that Wade Davis has been very bad this season. He's struck out 31 batters and walked or plunked an equal 31. His ground ball rate is down to just 32% but because he had been stranding runners and luckily avoiding home runs, he was escaping notice for how poor he was pitching. Nine home runs and 22 total runs allowed over his last five starts put an end to that. It would be a shame if the Mariners didn't continue the derby. It will be a shame when the Mariners don't continue the derby.
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Speaking of Peguero, our LF platoon is obviously far below replacement level right now.
How long before we remedy this problem? What are our options?
I lot of people have one particularly dangerous idea (at least dangerous for comment threads)
splash
Ooh, Johan Limonta is batting .333!
Wait, who the fuck?
by SeattleJunkieQueen on Jun 2, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I was going to say something about horrible strikeouts here, then I realized we already have all that.
Someone athletic in the field might be nice.
by the other side on Jun 2, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Athletic strikeouts also look better than brute strikeouts.
I tried mimicking Carlos Peguero’s swing and ended up temporarily detaching my shoulder from the rest of my body.
by SeattleJunkieQueen on Jun 2, 2011 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
A few more strikeouts, the same number of walks, and better defense/power.
I think Halman would probbaly be an upgrade.
Is his power really better?
Peguero seems fine in that department. I would probably do it for the defense alone. If we are going to have a black hole in the lineup it might as well not be in the field. But in that case, why not Saunders?
by the other side on Jun 2, 2011 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
You see, the thing about power is you have to hit the ball with the bat still
Looking unconfused
by sofa_king on Jun 2, 2011 4:51 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Did I try to fish for too much sarcasm here?
Oh well, we have a new post to argue about what I was trying to talk about.
algorhythm typed splash
But nothing happened!
by Eyeball Kid on Jun 2, 2011 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
The Pain Train. Yes to this.
That’s what we should nickname the dominant offense of the 2011 Mariners
I'm partial to Mariners offense as a nickname for the Mariners offense.
Simple, yet classic and to the point.
There is no need to nickname an offense because the term "offense" is already there.
...and now I'm here
I swear, if Kotchman goes 9-for-16 with three homers and three doubles...
by fiftyone on Jun 2, 2011 4:29 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Kotch will hit for the cycle and then bash 4 HR's to straight away center the next night.
Then he will pull off an unassisted triple play and turn to the stands, throw his glove into the press box and yell “Are you not entertained!”
Believe Big! I mean HUGE... believe Gigantic! like the Titanic.
Mariners Baseball: Believe Big.
by Robert Praetor on Jun 2, 2011 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 9 recs
Just kidding on that link.
Go ahead and believe me.
by LonelyintheBleachers on Jun 2, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
LInk works, but he's got a whole series to do it!
Believe Big! I mean HUGE... believe Gigantic! like the Titanic.
Mariners Baseball: Believe Big.
by Robert Praetor on Jun 2, 2011 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
If he got 16 at bats in three games then wow we'd be toast.
by LonelyintheBleachers on Jun 2, 2011 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
MMMMMMM..... toast.
Believe Big! I mean HUGE... believe Gigantic! like the Titanic.
Mariners Baseball: Believe Big.
by Robert Praetor on Jun 2, 2011 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd be more afraid over the fact that he's the most interesting man in sports.
Got a (half-)minute? Casey Kotchman
Must-see TV show? I don’t have one.
Singer or band you’d want to be on stage with? I don’t have one of them, either.
Last movie you saw? Can’t remember.
Ideal vacation spot? I’m thinking Bora Bora.
Dream date? I don’t even know.
http://www.tampabay.com/sports/baseball/rays/rays-tales-greener-pastures/1167081
He’ll stop by for the four game series, and by the end of it, chances are there won’t be any bachelorettes left in Seattle.
by SeattleJunkieQueen on Jun 2, 2011 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Not sure if his high batting average on girls in play is sustainable.
Our bachelorettes should be safe.
by HititHere on Jun 2, 2011 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
OK, this will probably make me look like a fool but...
Can someone explain the preview chart? I know what wOBA and tRA and all of that is, but I’m not sure what a wOBA of -49.6 is. Nor do I understand how a wOBA of -49.6 for the M’s and -0.6 for the Rays gives a difference of -9.1 (if that’s what “delta Ms” even stands for).
If this was explained somewhere before, you can just point me to that article/post.
Thanks, and sorry for being such a newbie. We all need to learn somehow, though, right?
The numbers are runs above and below average each team is in each category by each stat.
For example, our rotation has been 17.2 runs better than the average team this year. The Delta Ms is the change in value since the last series. Against Baltimore, our rotation was 2 runs better than average, while our hitting was nine runs below average. And then Rays is just the Rays stats so far this year.
That explain it alright?
by joof on Jun 2, 2011 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Very well put!
I honestly needed that explanation too, so thank you!
Ah, yes, I get it now!
Thank you very much!
I'll dare to speak up.
I decried the Kotchman move, but not in and of itself; I think we all saw the potential upside that the Rays are now reaping the rewards of, but because he, Milton Bradley and the remains of Eric Byrnes were the sum of the offensive additions that year and the M’s were left without a back-up plan when Kotchman flopped.
I suppose you could quite reasonably say that Zduriencik really didn’t have a choice, but short of Chone Figgins, (hindsight is 20/20) the Mariners took huge gambles with each of their acquisitions without any real backup plan, and none of them panned out.
That should say "offensive acquisitions"
I like to think the Cliff Lee trade worked out pretty well.
I don't think the only meaningful difference with Kotchman
is BABIP. If you compare the 2010 and 2011 spray charts, Kotchman looks even worse this year than last year. He’s still murdering the infield grass, but almost everything else is in the shallow outfield this year, compared to a relatively random distribution of batted balls at all outfield depths last year. It looks like all but a handful of his outfield batted balls this year are at about 225-300 feet. It looks like a loss of strength to me, which points to an even harder regression than Matthew is predicting.
For what it’s worth, I agree with both the Kotchman pickup (based on the information available at the time) and the Kotchman DFA.
Bring up Ackley already
“Super Two” has now passed and his defense is NOT going to get improve in the next three weeks. Actually bring up ANYONE not named Langerhans that uses one of those stick things and can play third or LF.
by sofa_king on Jun 2, 2011 5:36 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
The Super Two deadline for this year, if it still exists, won't be known until it actually is defined after the 2013 season
So no, it has not “now passed”.
by Matthew on Jun 2, 2011 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, what Matthew said
All we know is that historically the cutoff has usually ended up being around early June. There are no guarantees that it has passed yet, in fact an argument could be made that it’s still a bit risky to call him up if Super Two is really that important to you to avoid. To be absolutely sure we would probably have to wait til July.
Now that we are competitive avoiding Super Two becomes less of a concern if it’s at the expense of staying competitive, though.

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