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The End Of Milton Bradley

When Ryan Langerhans was designated to make room for Mike Wilson, I wrote that Milton Bradley had survived. Milton Bradley did survive that move. He did not survive this one.

Mariners recall OF Carlos Peguero from Triple-A Tacoma; OF Milton Bradley Designated for Assignment

Peguero, we've already seen very briefly. The awkward giant has batted .282 in the early going with Tacoma with some power and a poor understanding of the strike zone. He is probably not ready to make a big contribution in the Major Leagues, but then neither are a lot of the Mariners' current major leaguers, so whatever. I'd expect to see the left-handed Peguero platoon with the right-handed Mike Wilson at least until Franklin Gutierrez is able to return, at which point Peguero seems like a possible demotion.

But this move is less about Carlos Peguero, and more about Milton Bradley. I could probably write ten thousand words on Bradley and still feel like I'm leaving something out. Alternatively, I could just post that picture of him from the other day and feel satisfied that it says what needs to be said. Milton Bradley is like Wikipedia - the more you learn, the more you realize what you don't know, and never will. The world is a complicated place, made up of complicated things and complicated people. Milton Bradley is a complicated person. He can be discussed in very simple terms, but he cannot be explained in anything less than a thesis, if he can be explained at all.

When the Mariners first traded for Bradley, we were excited, because the team was unloading one of its problems for somebody else's, turning a sure negative into a possible one. There was the chance that Bradley would hit. There was the chance that Bradley would behave better. There was the chance. With Carlos Silva, there was less of a chance. New homes and new teammates can do funny things to a guy, and we were happy to give Bradley an opportunity to show that he could be useful.

Ultimately, though, Bradley's been a problem just about everywhere, and in time - just as so many predicted - he became one of ours. He wasn't a problem in quite the same way he was a problem elsewhere. Despite the blowups, he usually maintained a cool head. But there were still the usual distractions, and Bradley wasn't making up for them with his play. Bradley batted .209 with the Mariners over 400 trips to the plate, with ten home runs and a .649 OPS. He missed the second half last year with an injury. This year he's struggled badly in the field. If Bradley were producing, the Mariners would've kept him around, but he played himself right off the roster.

Fans used to argue over whether or not Milton Bradley was worth the trouble back when he was good. Back when he was an Expo, and an Indian, and a Dodger, and an A and a Padre and a Ranger and a Cub. Although the discussion grew tired, the central issue was a fascinating one: how much must a player produce to make up for sundry other negatives? How well does a guy have to hit to offset an unstable personality and potential problems in the clubhouse? I don't think the argument was ever resolved. It probably never will be. Arguments that lean on the value of intangibles are argued forever.

But we no longer have to ask ourselves whether or not Milton Bradley is worth it anymore, because we have our answer. I don't know if he was worth it ten years ago or five years ago. This year, he's not worth it. Strictly in terms of performance, he's a bad player. He doesn't hit well, he's injury-prone, and he's slow in the field. Milton Bradley wouldn't be worth it if he were anybody else. Throw in the fact that he's Milton Bradley and it only tips the scales even further. He hasn't been playing well, and he's also recently been ejected twice and suspended. Who's to say what else might've happened? What indications were there that he was ever going to turn things around? Milton Bradley's 33, and he hasn't been a good hitter for three years. He wasn't going to turn things around.

So now he's finished. Not just with Seattle. Probably Major League Baseball. I don't know who would bother offering Milton Bradley a minor league contract at this point. There just isn't any upside. He might turn up with the Long Island Ducks, as all of these players eventually do, but as has so often been the case in recent years, it looks like Seattle is again the final resting place of another veteran's career.

The team will move on. The team will probably be happier. The team might've been okay with Bradley in the clubhouse, but I don't think there's any denying that people had to walk on egg shells around him, and now there's an excitable young rookie in his place. Players love rookies. Rookies are enthusiastic, and handy when you need shit to be carried from one place to another.

Bradley will move on. If his career isn't done, he'll move on to another organization, and if his career is done, he'll move on to life. He's earned a lot of money in the game. Maybe getting out of baseball will prove to be the answer. Maybe he'll find happiness on the sofa. Maybe he won't. Maybe he's already happy, with occasional ventings. Maybe venting some of the time allows Bradley to be happy the rest of the time. How should I know? How should anybody know? I suspect we'll hear more about his day-to-day life in ten years, when some brave and ambitious journalist writes up the Milton Bradley: Remember Him?

And I'll move on, and I won't. I'll move on with the team and I'll be excited to see if Peguero and Wilson can supply any power, but Milton Bradley was one of the most interesting players that's ever worn a Mariner uniform, and now that his chapter is over, I want to feel like I learned something. I want to take something out of the whole Milton Bradley experience so that I can grow as a fan, and grow as a person. But I don't know what to take. Milton Bradley is the very definition of misunderstood, in that nobody understands him. How can I learn from that which I don't understand?

I don't know. Maybe that's the lesson.

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Should be Cust rather than Milton

At least Milton doesn’t need a pinch runner, and can (barely) play the field. Oh and he switch hits. He also has more hits and HRs in less plate attempts with a slightly better average. Ya lets keep Cust around for all those walks. lame.

Saddest news of my week :(

by Darth Flamingo on May 9, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

As much as I didn't mind Bradley and actually liked him

he isn’t a very useful player anymore. He isn’t even an average fielder anymore. He’s not much of a hitter. He’s certainly not warming the clubhouse. I don’t see the upside to keeping him here besides the small chance he becomes what he was in 2008.

by Mariner John on May 9, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Cust has at least hit a little over the past week and a half

More worth exploring whether he can continue than it’s worth exploring whether Milton can contribute.

by Jeff Sullivan on May 9, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

And historically he has bad Aprils

(Or bad first months, if you look at last year). Though maybe not this bad. He might really be done. Or he might just be heating up again, finally, like he has in the past. I can understand Z giving him another month to see.

by J0SER on May 9, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cust wasn't going to get cut regardless.

The FO isn’t going to cut ties with an investment 1 month into it. That would give off the vibe that they’re incompetent.

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by perfectstrat on May 9, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Anyone else feel like this is a prelude to another move?

I can’t really see Jack sticking with two of Wilson/Peguero/Saunders after Gutierrez comes back.

by slamcactus on May 9, 2011 12:07 PM PDT reply actions  

I was thinking something more like a trade, not another internal move.

There has to be an end to how long they’ll let Saunders continue to scuffle.

by slamcactus on May 9, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Would you like

Austin Kearns?

"I want to be playing at the end of October or the end of September -- not just at the beginning of April." —Grady

by westbrook on May 9, 2011 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Would anybody like Austin Kearns?

I don’t think Austin Kearns would like Austin Kearns.

by KingChup on May 9, 2011 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

*don't believe *minor move

Man, someone should DFA me from typing posts.

by ThomasG on May 9, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nobody said it'd be something big.

Somebody like Fred Lewis, Chris Denorfia, or Allen Craig would be a huge upgrade for us without costing much in return.

by slamcactus on May 9, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd love Fred Lewis.

I think there is some potential there.

Sobriety is... Interesting.

by Thingray on May 9, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry to confuse.

It’s just so rare to find good sportswriting with actual shades of gray and an opinion that includes the words “I don’t know” in a non-ironic sense.

by fiftyone on May 9, 2011 2:14 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

It was meant as a tongue-and-cheek reference to Jeff's post in the thread below...

Veilside said:

I find it safer to first assume sarcasm and go from there.

Sarcastic until proven not sarcastic

To which Jeff replied:

Maybe not a bad approach

It’s rare that I encounter someone on the internet who is consistently earnest and genuine.

by CMC_Stags on May 9, 2011 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Indeed.

I’m seeing a few shades of Posnanski’s Greinke article in here as well.

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by Terminator X on May 9, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yay, Eskimo!

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by joof on May 9, 2011 12:11 PM PDT reply actions  

We did win that trade

as soon as Silva was gone, we had won that trade.

by seattlebruin on May 9, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cubs got 2.1 WAR out of Silva in 2010.

Milton Bradley with M’s: -0.4 WAR across 2010 and 2011.

by Eyebrows on May 9, 2011 12:14 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Fine - point is we had negative WAR with Bradley.

Would have been better off just releasing Silva and not picking up Bradley. I agreed with the trade at the time and I believe it was the right process, but the fact is that the Mariners were worse off than if they’d just ate Silva’s contract and got a replacement level player.

by Eyebrows on May 9, 2011 12:18 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

At the time I don't think we would have been though

Milton Bradley was well worth the gamble of whatever we paid him

by Poochie on May 9, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Ehh, not sure I saw it the same way.

At the time, I wasn’t sure which was better. I could see how trading for Bradley might turn out better — but I also saw how it could turn out just as bad or worse as keeping Silva. What I was sure of was not wanting to spend $6 million dollars to find out if having Bradley was better than having Silva.

by nathaniel dawson on May 9, 2011 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fun fact

Carlos Silva makes his second start tonight for the (High A) Tampa Yankees.
His previous start: not great.

by J0SER on May 9, 2011 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry, didn't realize that was the policy

I right-click everything so I wouldn’t have noticed (and I guess I missed that in the rules post)

by J0SER on May 9, 2011 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

No big deal...

Sobriety is... Interesting.

by Thingray on May 9, 2011 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

That *would* have been sad/funny

Kind of like a health insurance company sponsoring a “free food for seniors” night where the free food consists of a hotdog, popcorn, and soda.

by J0SER on May 9, 2011 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's not about winning or losing....

it’s about who touched Silva last.

NOT US!

by Kunkoh on May 9, 2011 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know

It feels great to purge him, but we have nothing to replace him with. Such is the state of the organization. Definitely interesting though; I’m excited.

by algorhythm on May 9, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Addition by subtraction.

Bradley is replaced by somebody who wants to be on the team and isn’t pissed off at the world.
And Bradley’s replacement is far less likely to force the team to play with 24 men.

by DaCheez on May 9, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I love Wedge's expression in that picture.

You can tell he is thinking “I can’t believe I wound up coaching this guy again.”

by wetzelcoal on May 9, 2011 12:18 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

I was thinking pretty much the same thing...

“I can’t believe I’m physically restraining this guy again…”

by BrooklynPreacher on May 9, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Evidently we weren't hacking enough

Stupid base on balls. How many times can Sims say, “Well he definitely doesn’t get cheated”?

by vertigoman on May 9, 2011 12:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Actually I think he displayed too much of it

and his damn reputation kept getting in the way

by vertigoman on May 9, 2011 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Not that I'm upset that MB is gone.

Langerhans, I’m a little miffed at that. Peguero isn’t ready and I personally doubt he ever will be.

by vertigoman on May 9, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wilson is fine for a stop gap

I don’t see the value of Peguero over Langerhans

by vertigoman on May 9, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

At least he had an approach

which yielded some results.
And he could play the corners well.
Peguero…well, I just hope I’m completely wrong

by vertigoman on May 9, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

His approach is a lot different this year.

He’s basically an unemployed Jack Cust now.

by morrow on May 9, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

hey! the LL username equivalent of me at LGT.

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by westbrook on May 9, 2011 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

But with defensive value

Baserunning value
And,laughably, more power as well

by vertigoman on May 9, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

This.

Much more important to the future of the organization.

by Shmelix Shmernandez on May 9, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't see how I implied our future rests on them.

However, they could possibly be factors in backup roles in the future of this organization. More than Milty and Langerhans could say.

by Shmelix Shmernandez on May 9, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because finding good players that are young enough to have a future

can benefit the team? Why is this so hard to understand? These kids did relatively well in AAA so we’re seeing if they can do well at MLB level and play a bench role. What value does Langerhans have over them? He might accrue .2 more WAR this season?

by Shmelix Shmernandez on May 9, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Doesn't mean they don't deserve a look

there’s nobody in their way. Now’s the time.

by Jeff Sullivan on May 9, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I really don't have much faith in either.

I just don’t see dropping Langerhans as any type of cost. There is no cost and a possible upside so I see no problem with this move.

by Shmelix Shmernandez on May 9, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

You got it

Everything you need to know about Langerhans is already known. And the point is that he’s just a fungible replacement level OF. Now they have a chance to find out if either of those guys can be more than just another fungible OF.

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by Steve Nelson on May 9, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

But sucessful players are successful.

Does it really matter who’s doing the succeeding? Do you really think the Indians are pissed because Jack Hanahan had a good start to the year?

by ThomasG on May 9, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think that's what bruin is getting at

Mike Wilson and Carlos Peguero are probably not successful enough players to build a taem around, and “successful players are successful” is the kind of results-based analysis that doesn’t really hold up to scrutiny.

by pdb on May 9, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I get where SB is coming from.

But in the same token not every prospect is going to be an all-star and not every team is going to be staffed at every position with all-star caliber players. It’s definitely not a sexy approach but seeing if you have nice complementary pieces that can succeed at the major league level is still pretty critical to the organization’s future.

by ThomasG on May 9, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right, and I agree, but I don't think Wilson/Peguero are complimentary pieces, either

Mike Wilson is 26 and has never really even been particularly successful at AAA, he’s not a very versatile defender and he strikes out a LOT. There are plenty of other guys in the organization who might be major contributors down the road over him.

Peguero, sure, could contribute eventually, but he seems like a young Mike Wilson to me, which doesn’t imply a great chance of future success.

by seattlebruin on May 9, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Completely agree about either amounting to much of anything

I was just commenting towards your partially-negative comment that if they’re successful it’s a bad thing for the team.

by ThomasG on May 9, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Doug Fister was a 25 year old who had never been a prospect with no stuff, and coming off a year in AA where he had an ERA of five and a half.

Seeing if he could cut it in the majors, even when he projected as a flameout, turned out to give us an asset that is useful. The chance of success isn’t great, but, giving the alternates, there is pretty much no opportunity cost to trying them out and seeing if they can’t stick.

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by joof on May 9, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

Yeah, but one of them might turn out to be the Doug Fister of the outfield, which, hey, that would be neat.

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by joof on May 9, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Winning games this year and having fans go to Safeco is also important to the future of the organization

And bringing up Peguero over Langerhans doesn’t strike me as something done to improve the 2011 team.

by CMC_Stags on May 9, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have more faith in Wilson than Peguero.

Even if both are doomed to look terrible for a while against major league pitching.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on May 9, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

How much muscle was needed?

I would hate to be the guy who has to break the news to Bradley that he is being DFA’d. Might be a good time for MLB’s first ever DFA via text message.

by Big Sully on May 9, 2011 12:29 PM PDT reply actions  

I kind of think that Wedge was only all to happy

to put an end to it.
Maybe he said it on a tshirt

by vertigoman on May 9, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions   6 recs

Wedge certainly gave Bradley a fair shake.

That’s probably more than Bradley deserved with respect to Wedge.

by morrow on May 9, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll miss you Milty.

Glad I got to see you in probaby your last series ever, it’s too bad people heckled you in your last games.

by Shmelix Shmernandez on May 9, 2011 12:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Bummer.

I liked him during his time here, though I suppose mostly for his personality and unpredictability. This move makes sense, though, since his hitting had fallen back and his fielding was becoming unwatchable.

I don’t hold much hope out for Wilson as a fielder, but what I’ve read about Peguero suggests that he doesn’t totally embarrass himself with the glove. Let’s see if the new guys can improve things at all.

by VivaAyala on May 9, 2011 12:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Personally I'm sad to see him go

I pretty much held out hope that he was going to start hitting the whole time he was here. Oh well. I’ll miss the smile-flashing and flipping off of dumbass fans.

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by Griffin Cooper on May 9, 2011 12:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Aw

Adorable. I wish we had seen a resurgence of the the .950 OPS Milton from 2008 for two months, then heard Milton had decided to retire from the game citing a lack of passion for the game and an abiding desire to build ships in glass bottles. That would have been a win-win.

by goyo70 on May 9, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bradley and Langerhans were both on the 40 man, but Peguero was as well.

That should leave us an open spot on the 40 man, for whatever that’s worth.

by abender20 on May 9, 2011 12:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Langerhans has cleared waivers before. He may do it again.

I’m sure Tacoma would like to have a legit CF once Guti is gone.

by yuniform on May 9, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the reason Langerhans is gone is that he's not a legit CF

If he was, Saunders would have been an easy option to AAA (as only one 40 man spot was needed).

by CMC_Stags on May 9, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nevermind, I hadn't looked at his FG page before making that comment

Career -16.2 UZR in CF, -2 DRS, 12 TZ, with his time with the M’s being below his career averages. Still, Tacoma doesn’t seem to have many CF options right now.

by yuniform on May 9, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

But he played CF before he was a Mariner and was younger then

And wasn’t a good CF.

He’s proven to be great in the corners and bad in CF. If he was great in the corners and average in CF, then I think the M’s would have kept him over Saunders and used him as Gutierrez’s LH platoon partner when Gutierrez comes back. But the fact they kept Saunders is telling as to how the team feels about Langerhans defensive ability at CF.

by CMC_Stags on May 9, 2011 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Man looking at his defensive stats is weird

How can he be so good in the corners and so bad in center? I can understand not being as good, but not even average?

by Kyle Rancourt on May 9, 2011 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's not him

It’s the population he’s being compared to

by J0SER on May 9, 2011 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

A good part of that is whom the player is being compared with in those positions

Center fielders are almost always elite defenders, whereas the playing time in corner outfield positions is dominated by guys who are on rosters mostly for their hitting ability. So even a guy who rates bad in CF will often come out looking quite good in a corner OF spot.

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by Steve Nelson on May 9, 2011 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Like I said in the other thread...

Robles and Kelley both need to come off the 60-day eventually, and Kelley was recently throwing bullpens and whatnot. There’s a good chance that no move is made.

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by JY on May 9, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's certainly true

although in Kelley’s case Im assuming his return bumps Ray off the roster.

by Bearskin Rugburn on May 9, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

All of them had promise. I have a diversified portfolio of players I love.

You need the potential thrill/heartbreak of a success story or flame out in addition to the reverence for the greatness of Ichiro, Felix and health Guti in the field. If I wanted to only cheer for successes, I’d be a Yankees fan.

by yuniform on May 9, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions   5 recs

Hannahan :(

Dawg! He put da team on his back!

by JAH on May 9, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Sad to see thsi fail but it was still worrth the risk

I mean, anytime you can get a guy with this much potential for Silva you do it.

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by skywaker9 on May 9, 2011 1:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Smoak ...

… because that way he doesn’t face the pressure of being the cleanup hitter.

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by Steve Nelson on May 9, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

How can it be backwards?

The ball is coming towards him, and the other fielder can’t be running forwards while leaning back, can he?

by KenBrown on May 9, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

In the original, the ball hits off his body and goes skipping away.

In this one, the ball looks like it’s moving toward him and Bradley is trying to knock it down.

by harkening on May 9, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Leaning back while running forward

Is what you do when you’re trying to come to a stop (or slow down to turn sharply, in this case) from a full sprint. If you don’t believe it, just run the URL through reversegif.com

by J0SER on May 9, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

1) reversegif.com exists? You win, internet.

2) Landing on his feet after that roll is pretty damn awesome.

by thebyron on May 14, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Milton can't find a spot anywhere...

I think it would be really cool if he got involved with the Reviving Baseball in Inner Cities effort.

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by JY on May 9, 2011 1:15 PM PDT reply actions   5 recs

Great idea.

I know most people here don’t care for him but I still want him to be successful, somewhere. I can’t believe he’s only 33. >:(. Darn you, Milton.

by wazzu93 on May 9, 2011 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

There's made up stuff on Wikipedia!
On May 9, Bradley was traded to the Detroit Tigers for Charlie Furbush.

On MB’s page, but not confirmed anywhere else (that I can find). Furbush, in addition to having a funny last name, is an not-especially-great AAA pitcher. He exhibits pitch face.

by yuniform on May 9, 2011 1:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Furbush has been having a pretty good season so far in AAA

If this is true (which I seriously doubt), it’s a major win for the Mariners.

by ThomasG on May 9, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

ZIPS projects a ~.330 wOBA still

He’s still a better player than a lot of other guys with jobs.

Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat

by vivaelpujols on May 9, 2011 1:27 PM PDT reply actions  

ZIPS uses historical data, and doesn't account for what Milton looks like in the field.

He could break a leg tomorrow and ZIPS would project him to bat .330 because that’s what other players his age, skill set, early season profile and career trajectory have done in the past.

by harkening on May 9, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well ZIPS also weights most recent performance most heavily

His BABIP is normalish, meaning most of the regression ZIPS projects is just that – regression from his current state of miserableness closest to that of a useful player.

Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat

by vivaelpujols on May 9, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is one of the reasons I dislike the Bradley DFA (you can read my comment history in the other thread).

But it’s a salient point to be made: Milton doesn’t look like he did 3 years ago, he went through arthoscopic knee surgery and has been in decline for a few years. I still think he looks more promising than Jack Cust and a handful of AAAA players around baseball. But whatcha gonna do?

by harkening on May 9, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't neccesarily think it was a bad decision to DFA him

But I do think that he could provide value to another team. BTW, for all his terribleness this year he had a 100 wRC+ – Safeco still screws you over and offense is down this year again.

Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat

by vivaelpujols on May 9, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's what I've been saying.

I’m not in the “WOW THIS IS A FUCKING MISERABLE DECISION” camp. I’m in the “well this seems kind of silly given your other options” camp.

by harkening on May 9, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions   5 recs

You know,

the more I think about it, the less I believe that a dead cat would bounce very well.

Sobriety is... Interesting.

by Thingray on May 9, 2011 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Depends on two things

How dead it is, and how hard you throw it.

by pdb on May 9, 2011 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cats aren't birds. That would be silly.

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by joof on May 9, 2011 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cust's had a bad month. Bradley's had a bad couple of years.

After seeing someone’s 400 bad PAs, coming off of a disappointing 2009 that was he reason he was available as part of a garbage-for-garbage trade in the first place. It’s not unreasonable to go with the guy having the bad month who can go more than a handful of games without getting ejected or injured.

by eponymous_coward on May 9, 2011 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Damn

I was rooting for Milton to mature in a relatively low pressure situation here in Seattle. If he had just been under-performing, I wouldn’t be so disappointed, but going out on the heels of two ejections makes this seem like another wasted opportunity for Mr. Bradley.

by ubelmann on May 9, 2011 1:44 PM PDT reply actions  

The guy is 33

If he hasn’t matured by now, I don’t think he is going to

by killer_ewok18 on May 9, 2011 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Probably not...

…but there’s always a chance.

by ubelmann on May 9, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is Mike Wilson worth anything?

Can someone give me a sort list of pros and cons so I can judge him to my friends?

by JamMasterJesus on May 9, 2011 2:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Thanks!

In the first paragraph it says ‘for the five of you out there who don’t know who Mike Wilson is…’
Now I just feel like an idiot.

by JamMasterJesus on May 9, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's just me being a dick because people wouldn't stop asking me about him.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on May 9, 2011 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

So, why isn't Mike Wilson starting yet? He was killing AAA and has power the lineup can use.

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by joof on May 9, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's just not the same anymore. =(

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by joof on May 9, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

We'll always have West Tenn.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on May 9, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm surprised that this is still happening, and probably will continue to happen!

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on May 9, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

It probably took me a year.

He posted on SportSpot as “Jay in Seattle”, but I don’t think I knew what his last name was for at least a year.

by nathaniel dawson on May 9, 2011 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

JFromSeattle

I was leery about revealing the last name because it’s super easy to track down. Then I decided I didn’t give a shit anymore and everything was golden.

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by JY on May 9, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

aw snap

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on May 10, 2011 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm actually kind of excited for Mike Wilson.

Weird.

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by joof on May 9, 2011 2:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Me too.

Who the hell knows what he will do. He could sock a lot of dingers, or whiff at a bunch of pitches. Either way, it could be exciting.

by seiferguy on May 9, 2011 2:44 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

If somebody is going to get an out

At least swinging really hard is kind of fun to watch.

by Edgar for Pres on May 9, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Damn...

I had just voted for Milton to be in the All-Star game too.

by noeffortatall on May 9, 2011 2:41 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Assuming we actually get a platoon R/L between Wilson and Peguero

We’ll get Peguero Tuesday and Wednesday against Arrietta and Tillman and Wilson’s major league debut on Thursday against Britton.

by algorhythm on May 9, 2011 2:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Wilson seems more likely to get the bulk of the PT regardless.

Throughout his past few years in the minors, he’s shown no noticeable platoon split, unlike Peguero. That doesn’t mean that they won’t try to give him a soft landing, but I’m thinking that the org imagines Wilson as being up here for longer than Peguero, for the time being.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on May 9, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Personally, I'm glad to see Bradley gone.

While I was a big supporter of his going into the season, the last month or so had soured me on him. He’s been terrible at the field and the plate. And his last two ejections were completely stupid on his part. He needs to learn to shut his goddamn mouth and thankfully it’s not our problem anymore.

RIP Dave Niehaus.

by Goose on May 9, 2011 3:51 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

It will be interesting to see what happens with Saunders from here, and especially after Guti returns

It seems to me that if the Mariners beleive he might still be able to be a regular player, they need to get him back to Tacoma to continue to work on his modified swing. If, however, they think he’s a lost cause, then there isn’t any reason to go through any particular machinations to make that happen.

In that case, you regard him as basically a no-bot, decent defensive OF. And when it comes down to deciding to keep Saunders and Langerhans you keep Saunders because he gives you better defense in center field.

"Most all good Americans hate the Yankees. It is a value we cherish and pass on to our children like decency and democracy and the importance of a good breakfast." - William B. Mead

by Steve Nelson on May 9, 2011 5:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Fittingly complicated.

On one hand, I enjoyed having Milton Bradley on the team. Given his disastrous track record off the field we probably got off pretty easy. He had his moments as well. For me, the Milton Bradley experience has been a positive one. Whether it’s the 3-run homerun that broke a scoreless game vs. Oakland in the late innings last year, or the homerun that kick started the amazing comeback vs. Toronto this year. Milton Bradley gave me far more reasons to like him than to hate him.

Yet with news of his Designation for Assignment I can only think of one word……relief.

by ThundaPC on May 9, 2011 5:47 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Crap, wasn't finished.

Relief that despite leaving a relatively positive impression, he was not 100% tolerable to have around. He was a distraction in the clubhouse and his anger issues were still far away from being resolved. And thanks to his fallout with his wife earlier in the year, there was little chance that it wouldn’t continue through this year.

An even bigger problem, Milton Bradley is not a good player. When we traded Carlos Silva, we were willing to deal with the distractions of Milton Bradley in exchange for his potential production. The end result, however, was that he wound up being a replacement level player.

A malcontent that doesn’t deliver much in terms of production? No good. I liked having Bradley around but he was pretty much on the brink of exile coming into this season.

And now with Bradley’s exit, it’s unfortunate for Milton that it means that the organization doesn’t have to worry about managing his issues in relation to the rest of the team. I was pulling for him to succeed at least one last time. It’s too bad that it couldn’t end on a better note.

Thanks Milton, and best of luck to you.

by ThundaPC on May 9, 2011 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Goodbye to my favorite Mariner that was here for a significant period of time and pretty much sucked.

I usually (duh!) don’t like those guys but Milton had some voodoo that made me want him to do well beyond my interest as an M’s fan.
I hope someday he can find peace with whatever it is in his mind that makes him so not at ease.

And fuck Carlos Silva.

by Big Jared on May 9, 2011 5:58 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Even though he wasn't good and he was everything you hope a player would not be in terms of temperment and attitude

It was nice to have a big batch of crazy around to break up the monotony of terrible baseball, so for that I’m grateful. And he wasn’t Carlos Silva, which was the big thing.

by OlSalty on May 9, 2011 6:03 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

D'awwww :(

I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul - Invictus

by EequalsMc2 on May 9, 2011 7:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Is it any coincidence that his initials were M.O.B?

That is the Mr Bradley lived his life, Money Over Bitches. Best of luck in your future endeavors you beautiful paradox Milton Bradley.

If I was a reasonable person, I wouldn't be a mariner fan

by HuskyMariner on May 9, 2011 7:55 PM PDT reply actions  

To be serious for a moment.

Milton has serious mental issues that need to be addressed. He does have some sort of depression that I’m sure he’s not over. He also has had issues with his wife, and he’s contemplated suicide.

Now that his baseball career is (probably) over, I hope the guy can find some peace, seek help, and become a better person.

It’s a real shame he never fit here in Seattle, because all signs pointed to it working. I really wanted it to work, if only to tell all the naysayers that MB wasn’t that bad of a person.

In short, I hope MB gets his life in order, and he seeks the help that he needs.

Good luck, MB.

by seiferguy on May 9, 2011 10:48 PM PDT reply actions  

There have just been so many times I've rooted hard for him to get a single,

just a single, and usually he struck out. Last year he showed a little more, but this year he’s just seemed past it. When you’re also not a good fielder, it gets hard to miss him him much.

I never got myself up-to-date on all his previous problems in other cities on other teams, and I really never paid much to what he did when he wasn’t in a game. So that aspect of him never entertained me.

I never saw him play well anywhere at any time. I’m glad that he’s gone.

ignacio

by ignacio on May 10, 2011 1:27 AM PDT reply actions  

Drayer's post is fantastic.

And very sad.

Don’t bother reading the comments, trust me.

by sanford_and_son on May 10, 2011 8:35 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

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