The End Of Milton Bradley
When Ryan Langerhans was designated to make room for Mike Wilson, I wrote that Milton Bradley had survived. Milton Bradley did survive that move. He did not survive this one.
Mariners recall OF Carlos Peguero from Triple-A Tacoma; OF Milton Bradley Designated for Assignment
Peguero, we've already seen very briefly. The awkward giant has batted .282 in the early going with Tacoma with some power and a poor understanding of the strike zone. He is probably not ready to make a big contribution in the Major Leagues, but then neither are a lot of the Mariners' current major leaguers, so whatever. I'd expect to see the left-handed Peguero platoon with the right-handed Mike Wilson at least until Franklin Gutierrez is able to return, at which point Peguero seems like a possible demotion.
But this move is less about Carlos Peguero, and more about Milton Bradley. I could probably write ten thousand words on Bradley and still feel like I'm leaving something out. Alternatively, I could just post that picture of him from the other day and feel satisfied that it says what needs to be said. Milton Bradley is like Wikipedia - the more you learn, the more you realize what you don't know, and never will. The world is a complicated place, made up of complicated things and complicated people. Milton Bradley is a complicated person. He can be discussed in very simple terms, but he cannot be explained in anything less than a thesis, if he can be explained at all.
When the Mariners first traded for Bradley, we were excited, because the team was unloading one of its problems for somebody else's, turning a sure negative into a possible one. There was the chance that Bradley would hit. There was the chance that Bradley would behave better. There was the chance. With Carlos Silva, there was less of a chance. New homes and new teammates can do funny things to a guy, and we were happy to give Bradley an opportunity to show that he could be useful.
Ultimately, though, Bradley's been a problem just about everywhere, and in time - just as so many predicted - he became one of ours. He wasn't a problem in quite the same way he was a problem elsewhere. Despite the blowups, he usually maintained a cool head. But there were still the usual distractions, and Bradley wasn't making up for them with his play. Bradley batted .209 with the Mariners over 400 trips to the plate, with ten home runs and a .649 OPS. He missed the second half last year with an injury. This year he's struggled badly in the field. If Bradley were producing, the Mariners would've kept him around, but he played himself right off the roster.
Fans used to argue over whether or not Milton Bradley was worth the trouble back when he was good. Back when he was an Expo, and an Indian, and a Dodger, and an A and a Padre and a Ranger and a Cub. Although the discussion grew tired, the central issue was a fascinating one: how much must a player produce to make up for sundry other negatives? How well does a guy have to hit to offset an unstable personality and potential problems in the clubhouse? I don't think the argument was ever resolved. It probably never will be. Arguments that lean on the value of intangibles are argued forever.
But we no longer have to ask ourselves whether or not Milton Bradley is worth it anymore, because we have our answer. I don't know if he was worth it ten years ago or five years ago. This year, he's not worth it. Strictly in terms of performance, he's a bad player. He doesn't hit well, he's injury-prone, and he's slow in the field. Milton Bradley wouldn't be worth it if he were anybody else. Throw in the fact that he's Milton Bradley and it only tips the scales even further. He hasn't been playing well, and he's also recently been ejected twice and suspended. Who's to say what else might've happened? What indications were there that he was ever going to turn things around? Milton Bradley's 33, and he hasn't been a good hitter for three years. He wasn't going to turn things around.
So now he's finished. Not just with Seattle. Probably Major League Baseball. I don't know who would bother offering Milton Bradley a minor league contract at this point. There just isn't any upside. He might turn up with the Long Island Ducks, as all of these players eventually do, but as has so often been the case in recent years, it looks like Seattle is again the final resting place of another veteran's career.
The team will move on. The team will probably be happier. The team might've been okay with Bradley in the clubhouse, but I don't think there's any denying that people had to walk on egg shells around him, and now there's an excitable young rookie in his place. Players love rookies. Rookies are enthusiastic, and handy when you need shit to be carried from one place to another.
Bradley will move on. If his career isn't done, he'll move on to another organization, and if his career is done, he'll move on to life. He's earned a lot of money in the game. Maybe getting out of baseball will prove to be the answer. Maybe he'll find happiness on the sofa. Maybe he won't. Maybe he's already happy, with occasional ventings. Maybe venting some of the time allows Bradley to be happy the rest of the time. How should I know? How should anybody know? I suspect we'll hear more about his day-to-day life in ten years, when some brave and ambitious journalist writes up the Milton Bradley: Remember Him?
And I'll move on, and I won't. I'll move on with the team and I'll be excited to see if Peguero and Wilson can supply any power, but Milton Bradley was one of the most interesting players that's ever worn a Mariner uniform, and now that his chapter is over, I want to feel like I learned something. I want to take something out of the whole Milton Bradley experience so that I can grow as a fan, and grow as a person. But I don't know what to take. Milton Bradley is the very definition of misunderstood, in that nobody understands him. How can I learn from that which I don't understand?
I don't know. Maybe that's the lesson.
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Sad. I'll miss you and your awesome quirks and your passion Milton.
Godspeed.
by fiftyone on May 9, 2011 11:59 AM PDT via mobile reply actions 9 recs
But gosh, I sure hope we don't miss the .649 OPS.
by fiftyone on May 9, 2011 12:04 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
My mom is gonna be pissed.
She loves Milton
by FaceRuiner on May 9, 2011 12:03 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I am surprised Cust survived the first round of cuts
by Poochie on May 9, 2011 12:04 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
If Milton hadn't gone on an ejection spree over the last week or so, I have to wonder if Cust would have been cut instead.
by BrianL on May 9, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Should be Cust rather than Milton
At least Milton doesn’t need a pinch runner, and can (barely) play the field. Oh and he switch hits. He also has more hits and HRs in less plate attempts with a slightly better average. Ya lets keep Cust around for all those walks. lame.
Saddest news of my week :(
by Darth Flamingo on May 9, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
As much as I didn't mind Bradley and actually liked him
he isn’t a very useful player anymore. He isn’t even an average fielder anymore. He’s not much of a hitter. He’s certainly not warming the clubhouse. I don’t see the upside to keeping him here besides the small chance he becomes what he was in 2008.
by Mariner John on May 9, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cust has at least hit a little over the past week and a half
More worth exploring whether he can continue than it’s worth exploring whether Milton can contribute.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 9, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
And historically he has bad Aprils
(Or bad first months, if you look at last year). Though maybe not this bad. He might really be done. Or he might just be heating up again, finally, like he has in the past. I can understand Z giving him another month to see.
Things that surprise me: Jack Cust's batting line over the last 2 weeks
.294/.489/.441
Seems like no matter how awful he looks he’s at least getting on base at a .350+ rate.
Cust wasn't going to get cut regardless.
The FO isn’t going to cut ties with an investment 1 month into it. That would give off the vibe that they’re incompetent.
M's fan in the Bay, soon to be LA SanFranPreps
That particular vibe has been sounding
like Lionel Hampton is back from the dead.
Anyone else feel like this is a prelude to another move?
I can’t really see Jack sticking with two of Wilson/Peguero/Saunders after Gutierrez comes back.
At that point, you could possibly see a reliever go away until Guti shows he can play pretty often
Hard to say, though. We’ll re-evaluate when it looks like Guti’s on the verge.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 9, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I was thinking something more like a trade, not another internal move.
There has to be an end to how long they’ll let Saunders continue to scuffle.
I could easily see the team pick up somebody else's veteran fourth OF
by Jeff Sullivan on May 9, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Would you like
Austin Kearns?
"I want to be playing at the end of October or the end of September -- not just at the beginning of April." —Grady
I don't the Mariners are in a position to be buyers the deeper the season gets.
Maybe a minor more, sure, but nothing big.
Nobody said it'd be something big.
Somebody like Fred Lewis, Chris Denorfia, or Allen Craig would be a huge upgrade for us without costing much in return.
I'd love Fred Lewis.
I think there is some potential there.
Sobriety is... Interesting.
If we went out and got Chris Denorfia for a random minor leaguer...
I guarantee you nobody would think it was an example of the Ms being “buyers.”
I did hear a rumbling that Jack Wilson and Chone Figgins would be traded for Pablo Sandoval
by jackyz on May 9, 2011 2:26 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Players on the DL can't be traded
(I know you probably weren’t serious, but even jokey tradesurbation has to have a certain amount of plausibility, yes?)
On a positive note
This is a fantastic article. Well done.
by Poochie on May 9, 2011 12:09 PM PDT reply actions 23 recs
How can it be fantastic if it's full of unanswered questions and nuance?
Seriously, though, yeah. Enjoyed it immensely.
by fiftyone on May 9, 2011 12:14 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Remember the first rule of LL
Assume sarcasm…
Sorry to confuse.
It’s just so rare to find good sportswriting with actual shades of gray and an opinion that includes the words “I don’t know” in a non-ironic sense.
by fiftyone on May 9, 2011 2:14 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
It was meant as a tongue-and-cheek reference to Jeff's post in the thread below...
Veilside said:
I find it safer to first assume sarcasm and go from there.
Sarcastic until proven not sarcastic
To which Jeff replied:
Maybe not a bad approach
It’s rare that I encounter someone on the internet who is consistently earnest and genuine.
Perhaps Jeff was being sarcastic.
No one really understands the internet.
M's fan in the Bay, soon to be LA SanFranPreps
Indeed.
I’m seeing a few shades of Posnanski’s Greinke article in here as well.
I don't want to achieve immortality through my work... I want to achieve it through not dying.
by Terminator X on May 9, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Milton will be fine. he can watch hisbeloved lakers win another title this year.
Wait….
by SMOAK and mirrors on May 9, 2011 12:09 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Not to be rude, but please make some effort to write coherent sentences while posting on Lookout Landing
by seattlebruin on May 9, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Eh, he just missed a space.
I don't want to achieve immortality through my work... I want to achieve it through not dying.
by Terminator X on May 9, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
O man thanks.
I felt that I was accused of something too minor
by SMOAK and mirrors on May 9, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Yay, Eskimo!
"I can't recommend highly enough going back and watching old clips of Jose Lopez." -Jeff Sullivan
I still feel we won that trade.
Fuck Silva.
by wadswerth on May 9, 2011 12:12 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
We did win that trade
as soon as Silva was gone, we had won that trade.
by seattlebruin on May 9, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I think we got $6M worth of Mr. Yamauchi's money out of Milton Bradley sheerly in entertainment value
by seattlebruin on May 9, 2011 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, that's true.
But I still feel a little bit cheated that we didn’t get to release Silva. Not to take anything away from the Cubs and the fantastic job they did, though.
Cubs got 2.1 WAR out of Silva in 2010.
Milton Bradley with M’s: -0.4 WAR across 2010 and 2011.
by Eyebrows on May 9, 2011 12:14 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Fine - point is we had negative WAR with Bradley.
Would have been better off just releasing Silva and not picking up Bradley. I agreed with the trade at the time and I believe it was the right process, but the fact is that the Mariners were worse off than if they’d just ate Silva’s contract and got a replacement level player.
by Eyebrows on May 9, 2011 12:18 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
At the time I don't think we would have been though
Milton Bradley was well worth the gamble of whatever we paid him
by Poochie on May 9, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ehh, not sure I saw it the same way.
At the time, I wasn’t sure which was better. I could see how trading for Bradley might turn out better — but I also saw how it could turn out just as bad or worse as keeping Silva. What I was sure of was not wanting to spend $6 million dollars to find out if having Bradley was better than having Silva.
by nathaniel dawson on May 9, 2011 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Fun fact
Carlos Silva makes his second start tonight for the (High A) Tampa Yankees.
His previous start: not great.
Don't forget the "open in new window" link please.
Sobriety is... Interesting.
Sorry, didn't realize that was the policy
I right-click everything so I wouldn’t have noticed (and I guess I missed that in the rules post)
I just checked and was disappointed that the Tampa Yankees attendance is worse than the Rays. That would've been neat.
That *would* have been sad/funny
Kind of like a health insurance company sponsoring a “free food for seniors” night where the free food consists of a hotdog, popcorn, and soda.
It's not about winning or losing....
it’s about who touched Silva last.
NOT US!
I know
It feels great to purge him, but we have nothing to replace him with. Such is the state of the organization. Definitely interesting though; I’m excited.
Addition by subtraction.
Bradley is replaced by somebody who wants to be on the team and isn’t pissed off at the world.
And Bradley’s replacement is far less likely to force the team to play with 24 men.
by DaCheez on May 9, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You can't know he didn't want to be on the team though.
by Kyle Rancourt on May 9, 2011 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed.
Wasn’t one problem with Milton that he sometimes seemed to want it TOO much?
by Swung On And Belted on May 9, 2011 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I love Wedge's expression in that picture.
You can tell he is thinking “I can’t believe I wound up coaching this guy again.”
by wetzelcoal on May 9, 2011 12:18 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I was thinking pretty much the same thing...
“I can’t believe I’m physically restraining this guy again…”
by BrooklynPreacher on May 9, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Evidently we weren't hacking enough
Stupid base on balls. How many times can Sims say, “Well he definitely doesn’t get cheated”?
MIlton wasn't exactly the picture of discipline
by Mariner John on May 9, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually I think he displayed too much of it
and his damn reputation kept getting in the way
by vertigoman on May 9, 2011 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Not that I'm upset that MB is gone.
Langerhans, I’m a little miffed at that. Peguero isn’t ready and I personally doubt he ever will be.
So who should we have called up?
Jetsy Extrano? Tui?
by seattlebruin on May 9, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Wilson is fine for a stop gap
I don’t see the value of Peguero over Langerhans
by vertigoman on May 9, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's certainly possible, Langerhans wasn't exactly lighting the world on fire
by seattlebruin on May 9, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
At least he had an approach
which yielded some results.
And he could play the corners well.
Peguero…well, I just hope I’m completely wrong
His approach is a lot different this year.
He’s basically an unemployed Jack Cust now.
But with defensive value
Baserunning value
And,laughably, more power as well
by vertigoman on May 9, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This.
Much more important to the future of the organization.
by Shmelix Shmernandez on May 9, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
If the future of the organization rests on the questions of Mike Wilson or Carlos Peguero being successful
we’re more screwed than I thought
by seattlebruin on May 9, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't see how I implied our future rests on them.
However, they could possibly be factors in backup roles in the future of this organization. More than Milty and Langerhans could say.
by Shmelix Shmernandez on May 9, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm saying that I don't see how the org finding out if these two are good is in anyway important to the future of the org
and if Wilson and Peguero are here as must more than a curiosity, we are completely screwed
by seattlebruin on May 9, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Because finding good players that are young enough to have a future
can benefit the team? Why is this so hard to understand? These kids did relatively well in AAA so we’re seeing if they can do well at MLB level and play a bench role. What value does Langerhans have over them? He might accrue .2 more WAR this season?
by Shmelix Shmernandez on May 9, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Wilson isn't a kid, and Peguero has shown the sort of skill set that does not work against major league pitchers.
by abender20 on May 9, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Doesn't mean they don't deserve a look
there’s nobody in their way. Now’s the time.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 9, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
No less than from watching Milton go all Milton.
Who else should be playing in his spot?
by Shmelix Shmernandez on May 9, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe they're doing that now
it would be nice
by Jeff Sullivan on May 9, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey remember when we were interested in Laynce Nix?
by Jeff Sullivan on May 9, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Me and Jack Zduriencik
we’re buddies, see
by Jeff Sullivan on May 9, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I remember knowing he was bad when the Brewers got him from Texas.
That was 5 years ago.
I really don't have much faith in either.
I just don’t see dropping Langerhans as any type of cost. There is no cost and a possible upside so I see no problem with this move.
by Shmelix Shmernandez on May 9, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You got it
Everything you need to know about Langerhans is already known. And the point is that he’s just a fungible replacement level OF. Now they have a chance to find out if either of those guys can be more than just another fungible OF.
"Most all good Americans hate the Yankees. It is a value we cherish and pass on to our children like decency and democracy and the importance of a good breakfast." - William B. Mead
But sucessful players are successful.
Does it really matter who’s doing the succeeding? Do you really think the Indians are pissed because Jack Hanahan had a good start to the year?
I think that's what bruin is getting at
Mike Wilson and Carlos Peguero are probably not successful enough players to build a taem around, and “successful players are successful” is the kind of results-based analysis that doesn’t really hold up to scrutiny.
I get where SB is coming from.
But in the same token not every prospect is going to be an all-star and not every team is going to be staffed at every position with all-star caliber players. It’s definitely not a sexy approach but seeing if you have nice complementary pieces that can succeed at the major league level is still pretty critical to the organization’s future.
Right, and I agree, but I don't think Wilson/Peguero are complimentary pieces, either
Mike Wilson is 26 and has never really even been particularly successful at AAA, he’s not a very versatile defender and he strikes out a LOT. There are plenty of other guys in the organization who might be major contributors down the road over him.
Peguero, sure, could contribute eventually, but he seems like a young Mike Wilson to me, which doesn’t imply a great chance of future success.
by seattlebruin on May 9, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Completely agree about either amounting to much of anything
I was just commenting towards your partially-negative comment that if they’re successful it’s a bad thing for the team.
Doug Fister was a 25 year old who had never been a prospect with no stuff, and coming off a year in AA where he had an ERA of five and a half.
Seeing if he could cut it in the majors, even when he projected as a flameout, turned out to give us an asset that is useful. The chance of success isn’t great, but, giving the alternates, there is pretty much no opportunity cost to trying them out and seeing if they can’t stick.
"I can't recommend highly enough going back and watching old clips of Jose Lopez." -Jeff Sullivan
by joof on May 9, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah, but one of them might turn out to be the Doug Fister of the outfield, which, hey, that would be neat.
"I can't recommend highly enough going back and watching old clips of Jose Lopez." -Jeff Sullivan
Winning games this year and having fans go to Safeco is also important to the future of the organization
And bringing up Peguero over Langerhans doesn’t strike me as something done to improve the 2011 team.
Right, but Milton was never known for swinging as hard as he can on each pitch
of which Peguero and Wilson are likely to do quite often
by seattlebruin on May 9, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I suppose. I just don't see cutting him as being a sign that the front office wants more strikeouts and fewer walks.
by Mariner John on May 9, 2011 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I have no knowledge of your past postings and this is the internet.
I couldn’t be sure it was sarcasm.
by Mariner John on May 9, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
I find it safer to first assume sarcasm and go from there.
Sarcastic until proven not sarcastic
Maybe not a bad approach
It’s rare that I encounter someone on the internet who is consistently earnest and genuine.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 9, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
One should never attribute to ignorance that which can be as readily explained as sarcasm.
"Most all good Americans hate the Yankees. It is a value we cherish and pass on to our children like decency and democracy and the importance of a good breakfast." - William B. Mead
by Steve Nelson on May 9, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I have more faith in Wilson than Peguero.
Even if both are doomed to look terrible for a while against major league pitching.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on May 9, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
How much muscle was needed?
I would hate to be the guy who has to break the news to Bradley that he is being DFA’d. Might be a good time for MLB’s first ever DFA via text message.
I kind of think that Wedge was only all to happy
to put an end to it.
Maybe he said it on a tshirt
by vertigoman on May 9, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
Wedge certainly gave Bradley a fair shake.
That’s probably more than Bradley deserved with respect to Wedge.
:( I need to find a new hero.

Milton Bradley is my hero. R.I.P. Dave Niehaus
by SeaKoala on May 9, 2011 12:32 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
The faceless white man always holding the black man back
by Veilside on May 9, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 10 recs
Only the Mariners can release their everyday third hitter in the lineup and most people be happy about it.
by EthanN on May 9, 2011 12:32 PM PDT reply actions 17 recs
I'll miss you Milty.
Glad I got to see you in probaby your last series ever, it’s too bad people heckled you in your last games.
by Shmelix Shmernandez on May 9, 2011 12:35 PM PDT reply actions
Bummer.
I liked him during his time here, though I suppose mostly for his personality and unpredictability. This move makes sense, though, since his hitting had fallen back and his fielding was becoming unwatchable.
I don’t hold much hope out for Wilson as a fielder, but what I’ve read about Peguero suggests that he doesn’t totally embarrass himself with the glove. Let’s see if the new guys can improve things at all.
Personally I'm sad to see him go
I pretty much held out hope that he was going to start hitting the whole time he was here. Oh well. I’ll miss the smile-flashing and flipping off of dumbass fans.
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Aw
Adorable. I wish we had seen a resurgence of the the .950 OPS Milton from 2008 for two months, then heard Milton had decided to retire from the game citing a lack of passion for the game and an abiding desire to build ships in glass bottles. That would have been a win-win.
Milton Bradley is secretly a devoted traveller who wanted to live in as many North American cities as possible.
I hope you enjoyed Seattle!
@casetines
He's actually USC Mascot Traveller the Horse
To improve, they should try to become the musical southern cal of the west. - bRuins Nation poster on the Stanford band.
No, Bradley is going to explore the universe with him and Wesley Crusher.
Dawg! He put da team on his back!
by JAH on May 9, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
Bradley and Langerhans were both on the 40 man, but Peguero was as well.
That should leave us an open spot on the 40 man, for whatever that’s worth.
Maybe they're going to re-sign Langerhans?
I don’t even know if I’m joking either.
by Aaron Campeau on May 9, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
If the decision to DFA Bradley was made because of a change in the situation after the DFA of Langerhans, the team might view him differently
by Aaron Campeau on May 9, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Langerhans has cleared waivers before. He may do it again.
I’m sure Tacoma would like to have a legit CF once Guti is gone.
I think the reason Langerhans is gone is that he's not a legit CF
If he was, Saunders would have been an easy option to AAA (as only one 40 man spot was needed).
Nevermind, I hadn't looked at his FG page before making that comment
Career -16.2 UZR in CF, -2 DRS, 12 TZ, with his time with the M’s being below his career averages. Still, Tacoma doesn’t seem to have many CF options right now.
But he played CF before he was a Mariner and was younger then
And wasn’t a good CF.
He’s proven to be great in the corners and bad in CF. If he was great in the corners and average in CF, then I think the M’s would have kept him over Saunders and used him as Gutierrez’s LH platoon partner when Gutierrez comes back. But the fact they kept Saunders is telling as to how the team feels about Langerhans defensive ability at CF.
by CMC_Stags on May 9, 2011 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Man looking at his defensive stats is weird
How can he be so good in the corners and so bad in center? I can understand not being as good, but not even average?
by Kyle Rancourt on May 9, 2011 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
A good part of that is whom the player is being compared with in those positions
Center fielders are almost always elite defenders, whereas the playing time in corner outfield positions is dominated by guys who are on rosters mostly for their hitting ability. So even a guy who rates bad in CF will often come out looking quite good in a corner OF spot.
"Most all good Americans hate the Yankees. It is a value we cherish and pass on to our children like decency and democracy and the importance of a good breakfast." - William B. Mead
I know. That's why I included the non-UZR stats, which point toward being league-average.
I haven’t watched him enough in the OF to make up my mind.
He would be the best option they have if he goes there.
Sobriety is... Interesting.
Sad is playing Carp in the OF.
Sobriety is... Interesting.
"Sad is playing Carp"?
This sounds like the setup for a “Who’s on first?” bit.
Except it’s “who’s a fish” or something
Maybe they were just messing with Bradley
and Langerhans was in on it the whole time.
Like I said in the other thread...
Robles and Kelley both need to come off the 60-day eventually, and Kelley was recently throwing bullpens and whatnot. There’s a good chance that no move is made.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on May 9, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
That's certainly true
although in Kelley’s case Im assuming his return bumps Ray off the roster.
by Bearskin Rugburn on May 9, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Further addition by subtraction!
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on May 9, 2011 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Or you could decide to get interested in better players.
by abender20 on May 9, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
All of them had promise. I have a diversified portfolio of players I love.
You need the potential thrill/heartbreak of a success story or flame out in addition to the reverence for the greatness of Ichiro, Felix and health Guti in the field. If I wanted to only cheer for successes, I’d be a Yankees fan.
by yuniform on May 9, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
He better find a new team.
This one’s full of Mariners.
M's fan in the Bay, soon to be LA SanFranPreps
by perfectstrat on May 9, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 10 recs
Hannahan :(
Dawg! He put da team on his back!
by JAH on May 9, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Sad to see thsi fail but it was still worrth the risk
I mean, anytime you can get a guy with this much potential for Silva you do it.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Wedge has been adamant about not moving him up
In fact he said it wasn’t going to happen.
Hopefully he’s had a change of heart
Maybe this is Jack's way of forcing his hand.
Get rid of all the other guys he puts in the 3rd spot.
Smoak ...
… because that way he doesn’t face the pressure of being the cleanup hitter.
"Most all good Americans hate the Yankees. It is a value we cherish and pass on to our children like decency and democracy and the importance of a good breakfast." - William B. Mead
The timing of that makes it look like he did it on purpose.
In which case, Milton Bradley is so awesome. =(
No the guy in the back just runs like that
by killer_ewok18 on May 9, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 36 recs
How can it be backwards?
The ball is coming towards him, and the other fielder can’t be running forwards while leaning back, can he?
In the original, the ball hits off his body and goes skipping away.
In this one, the ball looks like it’s moving toward him and Bradley is trying to knock it down.
Leaning back while running forward
Is what you do when you’re trying to come to a stop (or slow down to turn sharply, in this case) from a full sprint. If you don’t believe it, just run the URL through reversegif.com
1) reversegif.com exists? You win, internet.
2) Landing on his feet after that roll is pretty damn awesome.
If Milton can't find a spot anywhere...
I think it would be really cool if he got involved with the Reviving Baseball in Inner Cities effort.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on May 9, 2011 1:15 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
Great idea.
I know most people here don’t care for him but I still want him to be successful, somewhere. I can’t believe he’s only 33. >:(. Darn you, Milton.
There's made up stuff on Wikipedia!
On May 9, Bradley was traded to the Detroit Tigers for Charlie Furbush.
On MB’s page, but not confirmed anywhere else (that I can find). Furbush, in addition to having a funny last name, is an not-especially-great AAA pitcher. He exhibits pitch face.
Furbush has been having a pretty good season so far in AAA
If this is true (which I seriously doubt), it’s a major win for the Mariners.
Already been taken down.
And Furbush is actually a pretty damn good AAA pitcher. He just doesn’t have very good stuff, leading to doubts his game will transfer to MLB.
Fair point on his goodness, I was mostly looking at his record/ERA last year.
8.6 K/9, 2.9 BB/9 is more useful than Bradley’s worth. All praise Wikipedia editor Muboshgu.
ZIPS projects a ~.330 wOBA still
He’s still a better player than a lot of other guys with jobs.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
ZiPS has no idea what Milton Bradley looks like as a baseball player
by Jeff Sullivan on May 9, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
It's colorblind.
I write for Stumptown Footy, SB Nation's Portland Timbers blog.
by thehemogoblin on May 10, 2011 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions
ZIPS uses historical data, and doesn't account for what Milton looks like in the field.
He could break a leg tomorrow and ZIPS would project him to bat .330 because that’s what other players his age, skill set, early season profile and career trajectory have done in the past.
Well ZIPS also weights most recent performance most heavily
His BABIP is normalish, meaning most of the regression ZIPS projects is just that – regression from his current state of miserableness closest to that of a useful player.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
This is one of the reasons I dislike the Bradley DFA (you can read my comment history in the other thread).
But it’s a salient point to be made: Milton doesn’t look like he did 3 years ago, he went through arthoscopic knee surgery and has been in decline for a few years. I still think he looks more promising than Jack Cust and a handful of AAAA players around baseball. But whatcha gonna do?
I don't neccesarily think it was a bad decision to DFA him
But I do think that he could provide value to another team. BTW, for all his terribleness this year he had a 100 wRC+ – Safeco still screws you over and offense is down this year again.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
That's what I've been saying.
I’m not in the “WOW THIS IS A FUCKING MISERABLE DECISION” camp. I’m in the “well this seems kind of silly given your other options” camp.
by harkening on May 9, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
I'm in the "well he wasn't a terrible hitter but he wasn't spectacular and boy did he look done in the field and we already had a full time DH" camp.
My camp involves thinking that our full time DH sucks and his recent signs of life are a dead cat bounce.
by harkening on May 9, 2011 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You know,
the more I think about it, the less I believe that a dead cat would bounce very well.
Sobriety is... Interesting.
Maybe it's dropped onto a trampoline or something.
"I can't recommend highly enough going back and watching old clips of Jose Lopez." -Jeff Sullivan
They're kind of stiff so I'd imagine it would take some crazy angles
by Kermit. on May 9, 2011 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I guess if you don't drop it, but sort of underhand roll it after it's stiffened, it would probably bounce pretty good that way.
"I can't recommend highly enough going back and watching old clips of Jose Lopez." -Jeff Sullivan
Or spike it, probably be a come backer to the face if you spiked it
by Kermit. on May 9, 2011 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I feel like you would need pretty good horizontal momentum to bounce a cat.
"I can't recommend highly enough going back and watching old clips of Jose Lopez." -Jeff Sullivan
I've spiked dead cats, this works.
Better if frozen first.
It was winter, its not like I keep dead cats in the freezer
by Craptastic-J on May 9, 2011 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Depends on two things
How dead it is, and how hard you throw it.
by pdb on May 9, 2011 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Perhaps it's an African Swallow.
Sobriety is... Interesting.
by Thingray on May 9, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Cats aren't birds. That would be silly.
"I can't recommend highly enough going back and watching old clips of Jose Lopez." -Jeff Sullivan
But what if it's not quite dead yet?
Sobriety is... Interesting.
by Thingray on May 9, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Then it has the plague.
"I can't recommend highly enough going back and watching old clips of Jose Lopez." -Jeff Sullivan
Perfect ammo for the catapult then.
Sobriety is... Interesting.
by Thingray on May 9, 2011 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It was a long trek, but I finally came full circle.
Sobriety is... Interesting.
Cust's had a bad month. Bradley's had a bad couple of years.
After seeing someone’s 400 bad PAs, coming off of a disappointing 2009 that was he reason he was available as part of a garbage-for-garbage trade in the first place. It’s not unreasonable to go with the guy having the bad month who can go more than a handful of games without getting ejected or injured.
by eponymous_coward on May 9, 2011 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
At the 2010 FanFest I purchased RR-S, Bradley and Figgins shirts.
Two down, one to go, Z.
I am happy we got to do MiLLton Monday before it was too late.
by katal on May 9, 2011 1:39 PM PDT reply actions 7 recs
If so that would be the greatest thing ever.
I bet he’d get all into it and boo Mike Wilson.
Getting kicked out of Safeco with Milton would be the highlight of my Mariner's fandom.
by MT Olson on May 9, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 15 recs
Agreed.
Then hit the Pyramid for a brew
by SMOAK and mirrors on May 9, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
There are much better places to get a beer near the stadium.
by Eyebrows on May 9, 2011 2:04 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
New to bars.
I’ll find my way sooner or later
by SMOAK and mirrors on May 9, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn
I was rooting for Milton to mature in a relatively low pressure situation here in Seattle. If he had just been under-performing, I wouldn’t be so disappointed, but going out on the heels of two ejections makes this seem like another wasted opportunity for Mr. Bradley.
The guy is 33
If he hasn’t matured by now, I don’t think he is going to
by killer_ewok18 on May 9, 2011 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Probably not...
…but there’s always a chance.
Is Mike Wilson worth anything?
Can someone give me a sort list of pros and cons so I can judge him to my friends?
Thanks!
In the first paragraph it says ‘for the five of you out there who don’t know who Mike Wilson is…’
Now I just feel like an idiot.
by JamMasterJesus on May 9, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
That's just me being a dick because people wouldn't stop asking me about him.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on May 9, 2011 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
So, why isn't Mike Wilson starting yet? He was killing AAA and has power the lineup can use.
"I can't recommend highly enough going back and watching old clips of Jose Lopez." -Jeff Sullivan
It's just not the same anymore. =(
"I can't recommend highly enough going back and watching old clips of Jose Lopez." -Jeff Sullivan
by joof on May 9, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
We'll always have West Tenn.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on May 9, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
My mind is blown now that I know you're Jay Yencich
by JamMasterJesus on May 9, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It took me a minute or two to figure this out.
by JamMasterJesus on May 9, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm surprised that this is still happening, and probably will continue to happen!
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on May 9, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
It probably took me a year.
He posted on SportSpot as “Jay in Seattle”, but I don’t think I knew what his last name was for at least a year.
by nathaniel dawson on May 9, 2011 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
JFromSeattle
I was leery about revealing the last name because it’s super easy to track down. Then I decided I didn’t give a shit anymore and everything was golden.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on May 9, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
aw snap
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
I'm actually kind of excited for Mike Wilson.
Weird.
"I can't recommend highly enough going back and watching old clips of Jose Lopez." -Jeff Sullivan
If somebody is going to get an out
At least swinging really hard is kind of fun to watch.
by Edgar for Pres on May 9, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn...
I had just voted for Milton to be in the All-Star game too.
by noeffortatall on May 9, 2011 2:41 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Well now I have something to do amidst the sadness. Milton better finish with more votes than Jeff Francoeur.
Is it even possible for a player who does not play for a team to go to the All Star Game?
How awesome would that be. The guy shows up in a grey uniform devoid of any markings.
Dawg! He put da team on his back!
by JAH on May 9, 2011 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Or he could go the Gaylord Perry route
and wear the logo of every team he ever played for.
by pdb on May 9, 2011 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Assuming we actually get a platoon R/L between Wilson and Peguero
We’ll get Peguero Tuesday and Wednesday against Arrietta and Tillman and Wilson’s major league debut on Thursday against Britton.
Wilson seems more likely to get the bulk of the PT regardless.
Throughout his past few years in the minors, he’s shown no noticeable platoon split, unlike Peguero. That doesn’t mean that they won’t try to give him a soft landing, but I’m thinking that the org imagines Wilson as being up here for longer than Peguero, for the time being.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on May 9, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
So you think Peguero is just here until Guti returns?
Sobriety is... Interesting.
Presumably, his feet didn't get wet enough the last time.
We’ll have him up to wading in no time.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on May 9, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
You never really know how cold the water is until it hits the veggies anyway.
Sobriety is... Interesting.
Personally, I'm glad to see Bradley gone.
While I was a big supporter of his going into the season, the last month or so had soured me on him. He’s been terrible at the field and the plate. And his last two ejections were completely stupid on his part. He needs to learn to shut his goddamn mouth and thankfully it’s not our problem anymore.
RIP Dave Niehaus.
by Goose on May 9, 2011 3:51 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I think he sort of went out with a stage whisper instead of a full fledged yawp.
Worst part is Cubs fans screaming, “We told you so!” Bleh.
It should have been a barbaric yawp.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on May 10, 2011 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
It will be interesting to see what happens with Saunders from here, and especially after Guti returns
It seems to me that if the Mariners beleive he might still be able to be a regular player, they need to get him back to Tacoma to continue to work on his modified swing. If, however, they think he’s a lost cause, then there isn’t any reason to go through any particular machinations to make that happen.
In that case, you regard him as basically a no-bot, decent defensive OF. And when it comes down to deciding to keep Saunders and Langerhans you keep Saunders because he gives you better defense in center field.
"Most all good Americans hate the Yankees. It is a value we cherish and pass on to our children like decency and democracy and the importance of a good breakfast." - William B. Mead
Fittingly complicated.
On one hand, I enjoyed having Milton Bradley on the team. Given his disastrous track record off the field we probably got off pretty easy. He had his moments as well. For me, the Milton Bradley experience has been a positive one. Whether it’s the 3-run homerun that broke a scoreless game vs. Oakland in the late innings last year, or the homerun that kick started the amazing comeback vs. Toronto this year. Milton Bradley gave me far more reasons to like him than to hate him.
Yet with news of his Designation for Assignment I can only think of one word……relief.
by ThundaPC on May 9, 2011 5:47 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Crap, wasn't finished.
Relief that despite leaving a relatively positive impression, he was not 100% tolerable to have around. He was a distraction in the clubhouse and his anger issues were still far away from being resolved. And thanks to his fallout with his wife earlier in the year, there was little chance that it wouldn’t continue through this year.
An even bigger problem, Milton Bradley is not a good player. When we traded Carlos Silva, we were willing to deal with the distractions of Milton Bradley in exchange for his potential production. The end result, however, was that he wound up being a replacement level player.
A malcontent that doesn’t deliver much in terms of production? No good. I liked having Bradley around but he was pretty much on the brink of exile coming into this season.
And now with Bradley’s exit, it’s unfortunate for Milton that it means that the organization doesn’t have to worry about managing his issues in relation to the rest of the team. I was pulling for him to succeed at least one last time. It’s too bad that it couldn’t end on a better note.
Thanks Milton, and best of luck to you.
by ThundaPC on May 9, 2011 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
My love for Milton started with that home run against Oakland last year as well.
I was at that game and I will never forget that moment.
by SMOAK and mirrors on May 9, 2011 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Goodbye to my favorite Mariner that was here for a significant period of time and pretty much sucked.
I usually (duh!) don’t like those guys but Milton had some voodoo that made me want him to do well beyond my interest as an M’s fan.
I hope someday he can find peace with whatever it is in his mind that makes him so not at ease.
And fuck Carlos Silva.
by Big Jared on May 9, 2011 5:58 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Even though he wasn't good and he was everything you hope a player would not be in terms of temperment and attitude
It was nice to have a big batch of crazy around to break up the monotony of terrible baseball, so for that I’m grateful. And he wasn’t Carlos Silva, which was the big thing.
by OlSalty on May 9, 2011 6:03 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I am reccing this just for the photo caption.
Brevity is etc.
Is it any coincidence that his initials were M.O.B?
That is the Mr Bradley lived his life, Money Over Bitches. Best of luck in your future endeavors you beautiful paradox Milton Bradley.
If I was a reasonable person, I wouldn't be a mariner fan
I like how Wedge is wielding Bradley like a bow in that pic.
And not bothering to look at the target, for Bradley’s fully capable of seeking his own targets.
Bid adieu, sir Milton.
"He can be discussed in very simple terms, but he cannot be explained in anything less than a thesis..."
Challenge accepted.
He's probably still looking for an advisor
And writing grant proposals. Bradley Studies is an obscure field, and on the verge of getting more so.
by J0SER on May 10, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
To be serious for a moment.
Milton has serious mental issues that need to be addressed. He does have some sort of depression that I’m sure he’s not over. He also has had issues with his wife, and he’s contemplated suicide.
Now that his baseball career is (probably) over, I hope the guy can find some peace, seek help, and become a better person.
It’s a real shame he never fit here in Seattle, because all signs pointed to it working. I really wanted it to work, if only to tell all the naysayers that MB wasn’t that bad of a person.
In short, I hope MB gets his life in order, and he seeks the help that he needs.
Good luck, MB.
There have just been so many times I've rooted hard for him to get a single,
just a single, and usually he struck out. Last year he showed a little more, but this year he’s just seemed past it. When you’re also not a good fielder, it gets hard to miss him him much.
I never got myself up-to-date on all his previous problems in other cities on other teams, and I really never paid much to what he did when he wasn’t in a game. So that aspect of him never entertained me.
I never saw him play well anywhere at any time. I’m glad that he’s gone.
ignacio
Drayer's post is fantastic.
Don’t bother reading the comments, trust me.
by sanford_and_son on May 10, 2011 8:35 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs

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