A Cardboard Tour of the Mariners
I have to preface this post with a couple of admissions. First, I shop at thrift stores. I love buying people hostile white elephant gifts, the kind you give and watch as they struggle to accept them gratefully. Last Christmas the best gift I gave someone was a Richie Sexson bobblehead I found sitting on a deserted shelf on December 23rd. These are the kinds of experiences that don’t emerge from a Pier 1.
My other confession is that I collect baseball cards. Saying this is always tough because I want to do two things: I want to say that this isn’t such a bad thing, and at the same time I want to say that I don’t really collect them that much. Dennis Miller once said that collecting baseball cards is basically "collecting pictures of other men." I’m not one of those guys who circles dates on the calendar to run down to the hobby store and throw a hundred dollars down on the newest series of Bowman’s Best. It is not something that I need to budget. I am, however, the sort of guy who recognizes the name Bowman’s Best.
So judge as you see fit. The purpose of this apology/preface, however, is to talk about the other evening, when I noticed one of those clear plastic baggies with the top stapled shut, containing about twenty or thirty cards. From the front of the stack Dave Valle squinted at me, the way he did at every curveball for about half a second too long. So I shrugged my shoulders and threw away a buck for the chance to rifle through someone else’s discarded childhood. More than half the cards are Mariners, and several of them are interesting, at least to me.
So with your permission (and, hopefully Rob Neyer’s, since this is a shameless ripoff), I’d like to take a look at a few of those cards, and reflect, because reflection is the panacea of the soul:
Bobby Ayala is making that mid-throw face that you’ve seen on baseball cards since time immemorial: that rubber-cheeked, ligament stretching frozen moment which makes you appreciate how unnatural the act of pitching a baseball really is. Seeing Ayala’s face gives me the same facial expression. But looking back on his career, I’m afraid it’s time to submit a small apology to the Second-Worst Reliever in Mariners history.
It turns out that Ayala was never as bad as he made himself look. In 1996, Ayala’s first fall from grace, his ERA was 5.88 but his FIP only 4.49. His truly disastrous 1998 season, the one that turned his name into a full-fledged curse word, he was perhaps the unluckiest pitcher in all of baseball: his ERA was 7.29 but his FIP was 3.96, actually the third best total of his career. I suspect Russ Davis owes someone an apology. I tend to treat Ayala the way I do Dan Meyer: a guy who wasn’t good enough and shouldn’t have needed to be. Woody Woodward’s inability to discern even passable, cheap relief pitching talent is one of the mysteries of our time. Not one of the big ones, but one of them.
- Alex Rodriguez (2000 Fleer Showcase, #1)

This card has no flavor text describing Alex Rodriguez, no history, hopes or dreams. I find this rather fitting.
- Julio Solano (1989 Mothers Cookies, #26)

It doesn’t happen often, but occasionally I’ll see a Mariner name and realize that I have absolutely no recollection of their existence. Solano actually pitched for two years with the Mariners, after being acquired in exchange for Doug Gilver, another player whose identity is an enigma. Solano’s numbers are probably more interesting than he himself is: he posted a positive WAR once in his six seasons, and he managed to obtain a BABIP under .200 not once but twice. It’s no small feat to not only be terrible, but to be lucky to be terrible. This is the sort of man who made Mike Schooler look so good in comparison. My only question: Mother’s Cookies put out a set each year, and each set contained 28 cards. There wasn’t anyone else who could crack the top 28? It is a 40-man roster, is it not?
Nothing too special about this card, except to note that first base coach Rusty Kuntz bears a moniker that either ranks as #1 or #1A on the all-time Mariner Name Rankings. (For the other one, please refer to the bottom of the post, because names like these are even funnier out of context.)
- David Segui (1999 Skybox Thunder #26)

The flavor text on the back of this card reads: "Yo, David. Goliath ain’t nothin’ but a thing to you. We know you be slayin’ pitchers like yesterday’s news. Yeah, it’s all good." Skybox, always an aggressive, forward-thinking company, obviously decided to instill a voyeuristic feeling to its cards, by allowing the fan to listen in on an inspirational conversation between the company and Segui himself. Reading this card just makes me wish someone had actually walked up to Segui as he was waiting by the cage, and uttered these exact words. How would he react? Would he smile? Would he call security?
John Olerud is the Will Clark of professionalism. It may appear that he is looking at things, but in fact, he is looking at results.
So there you go. I’m pretty pleased with the purchasing power of my ninety-nine cents. Now I’m going to go throw these in a cardboard box in my garage for twenty or thirty years. I’m sure they’ll be worth a dollar by then.
(P.S.: Dick Pole. Hee!)
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Thanks, guys.
I’ve been wary of flooding. I try to write twice a week, one Mariners-related story that ends up here, and a more general baseball-related article on my blog. Right now I’m working on a response to Murray Chass’s response to Mitchel Lichtman’s response to Alan and Sheldon Hirsch’s book, The Beauty of Short Hops. I don’t think I’m overstating it by saying that it will have little to no effect on the debate. I’m hoping to have it up on Monday.
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by Patrick Dubuque on Mar 26, 2011 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I might be familiar with that Chass article you're talking about, Posnanski recently mentioned his name on Twitter
He didn’t link the article but the culprit seemed fairly obvious. It was awful, several of his complaints regarding new stats were so off the mark it was plain he didn’t understand the stat to begin with. That was a painful article to read. Somewhere in the middle he flat out states he’d prefer to be ignorant of modern analysis.
Okay, I've posted the article on my site.
I decided to skirt around Chass’s argument (which can be found here), mostly because it boils down to the same old political mudslinging. You’re right, though – it’s extremely painful.
One of the interesting comments about the book (made by Mitchel Lichtman) is that the authors do really understand sabermetrics, and they’ve done their homework. They explain it really well, and then just go and make the argument they wanted to make in the first place, regardless of whether the facts justify it. It’s strange.
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by Patrick Dubuque on Mar 28, 2011 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Great find for 99 cents
Particularly since you were able to get a great post out of it. I appreciate that you found some interesting thoughts out of something I would consider just mundane.
I know it wasn’t the main topic of the post, but I really had to laugh about the Richie Sexton bobblehead. I actually got one of those for a gift. The best purpose I could find for it was to trade it in at a collectables shop for a used game of Sorry.
Thanks again for sharing your thoughts.
I think a Sexson bobblehead would be more valuable than Sorry.
I was able to sell a Nick Collison bobblehead on eBay. (This was before I realized how awesome Nick Collison is. Still, I didn’t need that junk.)
I have a Sexson bobblehead whose head falls off when you try to bobble it.
I’ll trade it to you for Mousetrap, or any Hasbro board game.
I am going to come into your house at night and rec up the place.
Gold label cards were rad back in the day
What with the three different rarities. I got a red label, fielding Ray Lankford or something, which I remember being super excited about because it was one of 65 or something. Then I realized it was Ray fucking Lankford.
Carlos Silvelite
I remember the rise of the parallel set.
My first experience like that was with the 1994 Upper Deck Collector’s Choice cards. Each pack had one silver autograph version, and each box had one gold signature. I actually landed a gold with my first pack and it turned out to be Len Dykstra. If it had been someone like Todd Benzinger, I could have let it go, but I found myself rationalizing that Lenny Dykstra was a pretty good player, and that the card had to be worth something. Of course, now that card is worth negative money.
Ray Lankford is tough, too – almost good, almost interesting, but not quite. He’s like Reggie Sanders.
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by Patrick Dubuque on Mar 26, 2011 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions
"Of course, now that card is worth negative money."
Like most other investments involving Lenny Dykstra
by pmc47 on Mar 28, 2011 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
That was just too easy.
Tee’d up perfectly, though. Nice work.
What if we simply took the highest ceiling players, who fit ANY system, and worked out the details later? If we do go that route, there’s no way you can convince me Ponder is a good choice in the 1st round.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Mar 29, 2011 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I have a silver signature of Michael Jordan from that set
He was a baseball player … sort of … but not really.
I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh
I saw him play in person
he was a baseball player. The longest legs I’ve ever seen on a baseball player, but still.
This is one of my favorite posts ever from this site.
I love looking at old baseball cards of forgotten Mariners players. Pete O’Brien? Greg Briley? For some reason I just can’t forget those guys.
Also, Rusty Kuntz………..no punchline needed. Wow.
by sanford_and_son on Mar 25, 2011 8:59 AM PDT reply actions
I only know Tom Niedenfuer in the context of always being mad when I pulled his card because I didn't know who he was
You’re worthless, Tom.
by yuniform on Mar 25, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
i have 3 of these cards!!!! i agree with you!
Believe Big! I mean HUGE... believe Gigantic! like the Titanic.
Mariners Baseball: Believe Big.
by Robert Praetor on Apr 3, 2011 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Was Rusty a nickname?
Or were his folks that out of touch?
Russell Jay Kuntz.
Here’s a passage from an article in the Sportsman’s Daily:
Former major league journeyman outfielder from the 1930s Johnny Dickshot, who was born and died in Waukegan, Illinois understood first hand how difficult having an unfortunate moniker could be. "Nobody who had a goofy name never did nothin’," Dickshot said in a 1997 interview shortly before his death. "You take this Kuntz fella. The second I saw him come up I said to myself, ‘that boy’s in for a whole heap of shit. He’s on the bench for sure.’" In 1985, Hustler magazine offered Kuntz and Dickshot $50,000 each to pose side by side in their uniforms looking back over their shoulders with their names visible. Both men declined the offer.
Reminds me of a chapter in Dubner and Levitt’s book, Freakonomics.
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by Patrick Dubuque on Mar 25, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
How could you turn down $50,000 for that??
I mean, you can’t do anything about it unless you want to legally change it. So embrace it. And get paid
by d0nkey on Mar 25, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Especially in 1985 money.
What if we simply took the highest ceiling players, who fit ANY system, and worked out the details later? If we do go that route, there’s no way you can convince me Ponder is a good choice in the 1st round.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Mar 29, 2011 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I am envious of your haul.
Interesting read.
by Patrick Stites on Mar 26, 2011 11:51 PM PDT reply actions
I would participate in this thread...
but my cards are all from 1976-1980. I don’t know if you could handle all the Juan Bernhardt and John Montague.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
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