Does Ryan Braun's failed test decrease the demand for Prince Fielder?
Before you read further, I'd like to stress two points.
1. I am going off the assumption that Ryan Braun did, in fact, take a banned steroid substance. Tests show that he had an elevated level of testosterone in his body, and that some of that testosterone was synthetic. Maybe he didn't konw that he was taking a banned substance. Maybe he didn't think he would get caught. But regardless, Braun did take a performance-inhancing drug. The extra testosterone in his system improved his performance.
2. The point of this post is not to prove that Prince Fielder is on steroids, or has ever taken steroids. Please do not interpret it that way.
If you follow these two points, continue reading.
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While I doubt that Fielder has ever taken performance enhancing drugs, I think there is a possibility he has. I think it is a possibility, just as there is a possibility that any other professional athlete takes drugs to improve their performance. The pressure in professional sports is enormous. The rewards can be enormous, too. Braun recently received a $105 million, five-year contract extension from the Brewers.
And after the announcement of Braun's impending suspension, I think anybody will admit that the chance that Fielder has taken performance enhancing drugs rises a little.
So how does this relate to the demand for Prince Fielder in free agency?
Whichever team signs Prince Fielder will, obviously, be taking a huge risk. If Fielder struggles to hit after signing a $150 million deal, his contract will hamper the team that signs him. Teams cannot afford for a huge signing like Fielder to backfire.
And if Fielder has taken steroids, his next contract could backfire in a big way.
Here are two examples of likely PED-users whose value plummeted after signing a contract:
1. Vernon Wells
Hit .317 with 33 home runs in 2003
When asked about the list of steroid users from a survey in 2003, he said, “Everybody makes choices in life and you live with them.” “For me I guess you’d kind of rather just get by this point and let it all come out and then deal with the fallout all at the same time” (http://49th-parallel.blogspot.com/2009/08/steroid-shadow-hangs-over-vernon-wells.html).
In 2006, Toronto signed Wells to a seven-year, $126MM extention. Ever since, his hitting has dropped across the board, although he did have a bounce-back season in 2010.
2. Gary Mathews, Jr.
After signing a 5-year, $55 million contract with Angels, it was found that he ordered steroids over the internet (http://sports.outsidethebeltway.com/2007/03/steroids-and-gary-matthews-jr/). After tallying 3.9 WAR for the Rangers in 2006, he only eclipsed replacement level once during his tenure with the Angels.
Teams must be at least a little nervous that Prince Fielder is a PED user, and that Fielder be the next Vernon Wells or Gary Mathews, Jr. Will Braun's suspension drive down the price to sign Fielder?
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I think that if Braun is suspended, it will possibly drive Fielder's price up or down or possibly keep it close to the same
I think that if Braun is not suspended, it will possibly drive Fielder’s price up or down or possibly keep it close to the same.
Does that answer the question?
by seattlebruin on Dec 20, 2011 2:26 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
This is a revolutionary stance that could shake the business of baseball down to its very foundation
I thought I felt something move
But it was just the roof of Husky stadium falling down. Coincidence?
I heard 2012 takes steroids.
Can’t rule it out.
by Eyebrows on Dec 20, 2011 2:35 PM PST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Steroid speculation is always a dicey endeavor at best, and usually unscrupulous and unwarranted speculation.
However, I appreciate your initial disclaimer, and so will attempt to evaluate your argument.
Your argue that since there are indications that perhaps Ryan Braun was using some sort of banned performance enhancing substance (with or without intent), that it is more likely that Fielder was as well, or at least that people will perceive that he was as well. Now, I don’t know much about clubhouse dynamics. I don’t think anyone on this blog knows enough about clubhouse dynamics to make an informed statement one way or another whether the notion that one player using PEDs meant that stuff was “going around the clubhouse” or whatever. Surely, one could presume, that if one player in a clubhouse had access to PEDs, that other players in that clubhouse would as well.
However, that is a presumption that I think we would be wise to steer away from. For starters, I’m pretty sure that just about any player could get their hands on PEDs if they really wanted to. I don’t think that opportunity or access to PEDs is really the key factor here. Just look, for instance, at this tweet from Dirk Hayhurst. Often, players just receive this garbage unsolicited. Second, I would suspect that this sort of behavior would be something that one hides from teammates these days, rather than something that teammates collaborate on. Therefore, that Ryan Braun has a PED question about him right now (that, remember, we still do not know much about) should not lead one to believe that his teammates are more (or less) likely to be using PEDs.
The other point of your argument, outside of the extra scrutiny or speculation awarded by the recent Braun controversy, is that players up for a contract have extra incentive to push the envelope by whatever means necessary. Certainly you are correct that players have fallen prey to this instinct before (or at least the timing between use and contract signing would so suggest). Again, I will defer to Hayhurst, who makes the point that from a struggling player’s perspective, use of PEDs can be rationalized. This is not to say that PED use is ok, of course, but more to focus on the fact that players have a lot at stake in doing whatever they can to earn a decent paycheck. To assume that this is not the case would be to ignore just how commonplace the use of PEDs has been in recent times.
However, I do not think that these observations shed any light on Prince Fielder as an individual. While one could speculate that he has incentive to do so, it would merely be idle speculation of PED use (all players have incentive to be better at baseball!), which is unfair and ridiculous. That said, I do not think you think this, or that this is the point of your post. Rather, you are concerned that the mere perception that he might be associated with PEDs could have some effect on his market value by making GMs nervous about how authentic his performance has been. To this notion, I agree with SuperDopaLiciousFunkStar’s elegant and concise conclusion. I don’t think that GMs would buy into that notion, or that the news that one of his teammates is suspected of using and therefore that stuff was “around the clubhouse” makes it any more likely that Fielder was using.
Sure, we don’t know the extent to which GMs evaluate that sort of thing. But given the purely speculative nature of the affair, I highly doubt that it should be a factor in competition with the more concrete concerns regarding contract length, amount, projected performance, signing team’s needs, etc. But we can hope that every other team’s GM does worry about that. Because that would mean, peaches, cheaper Fielder for us.
by SeattExPat on Dec 20, 2011 3:41 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
You're right that attaining PEDs is probably more of an individual affair than I assumed.
I like your argument that players would tend to hide their use from teamates. It makes sense in today’s atmosphere of intense scrutiny.
I tend to think of Braun and Fielder more as good friends than teammates, but maybe some of this perception is marketing.
Perhaps they are, perhaps they ain't.
Again, we simply don’t know about all that clubhouse stuff, nor whether Fielder and Braun were like peas and carrots, or if that notion is simply marketing drivel. Friendship is hard enough to define even when you are one of the parties involved.
However, assuming they were peas and carrots, I still don’t think much at all can be read into the matter. While I note your point that some players decline after they have signed for a pile of money, there is evidence to suggest that this is not necessarily PED related. However, I have only examined this notion anecdotally.
Besides, I don’t think peas and carrots are really that great together.
Well Griffey took steroids and everyone in Seattle had a massive boner for him so I going to guess no.
by Robert on Dec 21, 2011 10:25 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
I'm trying to imagine my reaction if this actually came out as fact.
I think 8-year-old me would cry like I’d been told there’s no Santa Claus but 28-year-old me would just grunt and say “Good, fuck him anyways.”
by sanford_and_son on Dec 22, 2011 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It would increase the price, if anything
Since Braun would be suspended without pay, there’s slightly more money in baseball to spend on players, which includes Price Fielder.
I didn't consider that.
Of course, it would be more money for the Brewers, and then only slightly so. Braun is slated to make ~$6.3 million next year. Say he had a fifty game suspension, and lost ~1/3rd of that money, that would free up something like ~$2.1 million extra for the Brewers. Somehow I doubt that they are just $2.1 million away from getting a deal done.

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