It's Also The Moves That Don't Get Made
One of the bigger challenges with baseball analysis today is trying to evaluate individual general managers, or, if you prefer, individual front offices. It's hard to pull off because we're given such a limited number of data points. A front office only makes so many trades, and a front office only makes so many signings. It would be much easier - not easy, but easier - if we had more of the picture. I was reminded of this when I read the following tweet this afternoon:
Brian Sabean and the Giants' front office reportedly offered Willie Bloomquist more than $3.8 million over two years. Bloomquist didn't accept that offer, instead returning to the Diamondbacks for less, but this still tells us something about Sabean. Something many of us already figured, I guess, but this is more about the idea than the specific example.
I wish we had more information about the moves that don't get made. Trade proposals that aren't accepted, and contract offers that get turned down. We get some, but we don't get as much as I'd like. This reminds me of another thing Matthew and I were discussing over the weekend. You know how the Giants have been suffering through the whole Barry Zito experience? Well, in case you'd forgotten, or in case you didn't know, that was very nearly our experience:
Barry Zito. Seattle offered him six years and $99 million in 2006 and lost him to the Giants, who were willing to give him a seventh year.
Bill Bavasi didn't succeed in signing Barry Zito, but the extent to which he went to try is still a mark against him. Bavasi gets penalized for offering Zito a six-year deal that would've looked bad at the time.
The Rangers offered Zito a six-year, $84 million contract. They also added a vesting option for $15 million for a seventh year with a $4 million buyout.
Those were the Jon Daniels Rangers. I think it's safe to say that Daniels and the Texas front office have gotten a bit sharper over time. Obviously things are colored by how the Zito contract has turned out, but the idea of Barry Zito pitching in Texas is an absolute nightmare. He was a flyball pitcher! He was a flyball pitcher with decreasing strikeouts and increasing walks! What were you thinking!
It's fun to hear about the almosts. It's fun, illuminating, and occasionally terrifying. There is so much more to baseball than what we actually get to see happen, so it's informative when we get a peek behind the scenes.
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I shudder at how stupid I was back then, and feel terrified at how stupid I will see myself now.
How come you can do all this other great shit, but you can't lie the fuck down and sleep?
by JAH on Nov 9, 2011 7:19 PM PST up reply actions
Prior to the 2010 season I was so fucking dumb about baseball stuff and advance stats and all that.
Thank goodness I found USSM and then LL while searching out off season rumors for the M’s.
by Patrick Stites on Nov 9, 2011 8:08 PM PST up reply actions
Same for me, except for 2011.
Post tenebras lux
by Archibald Cunningham on Nov 10, 2011 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
Filed under Fantastically Terrifying
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
I doubt it. Fielder isn't in a decline phase. He's great.
He’s just got the body type that tends to decline quickly, limited defensive value for a team with a dearth of 1B/DH types, and a contract that’s not really affordable given our current holes and payroll. Fielder is still probably going to be a great player for the team that can afford to sign him. Barry Zito had “I will probably suck” written all over him when those contracts were offered.
...and now I'm here
Fair enough
I didn’t mean to say that the team that signs Fielder will regret it as much as the Giants did after signing Zito. However, I have a hard time seeing Fielder live up his contract, especially if it exceeds 6 years which it probably will.
I remember when I wanted the Mariners to sign Chone Figgins and trade Jose Lopez for Robinson Cano
Boy, that would have been great if the Rangers signed him
If the rumors were true the Yankees also offered Gardner for Washburn.
No matter where you go, there you are.
I seem to recall him asking for Dexter Fowler
Rockies basically said “lol u seriose?” Funny how Fowler’s now 25 and pretty doggone mediocre.
One of my favorite Bavasi memories is when someone asked him at a 2007 USSM/LL event about all the bullets he dodged by year after year not managing to sign the pitchers he targeted.
Bavasi thought nothing of it; it seemed like this was something he had never considered before.
Less than six months later he signed Carlos Silva.
by katal on Nov 9, 2011 7:37 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
GMs and front offices get rated mostly on results which isn't quite fair.
How do we know that Texas has really been more shrewd in their judgment compared to just getting more fortunate with some of their moves?
There was a bidding war for Princess Willie?
Scott Boras is a warlock.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
Remember Juan Gonzales?
Detroit offered him 8 years/.$140 million.
But he didn’t like hitting in Comerica—which was indeed cavernous back then—so he gambled on doing better in free agency. Bad gamble.

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