A Quick Concern Regarding Grady Sizemore
First order of business: this is going to be the last post you see from me for a few days, because tomorrow morning Matthew and I are disappearing into the potentially snowy wilderness for a little while to officially celebrate the passing of another baseball season. We do have an emergency backup in place in the event that there's actual Mariners news while we're gone, but don't expect much in the way of fresh content until Monday.
Second order of business: Grady Sizemore. Available free agent Grady Sizemore. Like a lot of people, I'm intrigued by Grady Sizemore as a free agent. I think there's something wrong with anyone who isn't intrigued by Grady Sizemore as a free agent. The man's only 29 years old, and over the four-year period between 2005-2008, he was one of the most valuable players in baseball, right up there with David Wright, Alex Rodriguez and Carlos Beltran. Sure, he's been hampered by injuries ever since, but think of the upside. Think of the upside!
And indeed, so much of the talk is about how much Sizemore could provide given a healthy 2012. Who's to say he couldn't get back to what he was, or at least back to something close to what he was? He's coming off some scary knee surgeries, but what if he moves past those? Lots of athletes move past those.
This post isn't about Sizemore's knee situation. Rather, this post is about...well why don't I just show you? What you see below are Sizemore's year-to-year contact rates as a hitter.
2005: 83%
2006: 82%
2007: 82%
2008: 83%
2009: 83%
2010: 74%
2011: 72%
Something stand out? Yeah. Sizemore's contact rates were impossibly stable for years and years, and then something happened, and then his contact rate dropped rather significantly, without a rebound last season.
What happened? Well obviously I can't answer that for absolute certain, but I do know there's a pretty simple potential explanation. In 2009, Sizemore went on the DL with elbow inflammation, and then later had surgery on the same joint. There was talk that Sizemore was putting a strain on his elbow with the way that he swung, and so it makes sense to believe that he developed a new swing. Or at least adjusted his old one, which is the same thing. Anthony Castrovince suggests this is exactly what was going on back in May 2010:
Sizemore used to generate a lot of topspin when he made contact, but he was strong enough and his hands were fast enough that he could get away with it and still drive the ball. Trouble is, such a swing can put a great deal of stress on the elbow upon contact, and all that stress caught up to Sizemore last year, prompting arthroscopic surgery.
What you're seeing this year could be a byproduct of Sizemore attempting to shorten his swing and get more backspin on the ball.
Is it that simple? Probably not. It never is. But I think it's very likely that Sizemore's elbow problems caused him to make an adjustment, and that that adjustment has had an effect. Sizemore has come to the plate 435 times over the past two years. In those plate appearances, he's hit .220/.280/.379 with 26 unintentional walks and 120 strikeouts.
At his peak, Sizemore wasn't exactly a guy who walked as often as he struck out, but the ratios then were a lot more reasonable than they've been lately. Sizemore's walks have been down, and his strikeouts have been way up, because he's struggled to make contact as often as he did.
Chalk this up as just another red flag when it comes to Grady Sizemore. It isn't as simple as, if he's healthy, he's awesome. There's no guarantee he stays healthy, there's no guarantee he will have recovered well from his assortment of maladies, and there's no guarantee that even a healthy Sizemore would hit all that well, because there are indications that he's changed his swing and approach. Those things can be difficult to undo, especially if they were done for a reason.
I'm not saying this is a deal-breaker. I'm still intrigued by what Sizemore could do. He's local, he's familiar with Eric Wedge, he could fill a need and provide some big upside...I'm open to the idea. But the more I look into Grady Sizemore, the less optimistic I am about his chances of being a true impact player in 2012 and down the road. The old Grady Sizemore might be dead. He probably is.
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Could anyone explain why Sizemore's O-Swing% increased dramatically in 10-11?
Due to just a changed swing? Seems like he could have lost his discipline, which further degrades his value. And this is only reason #3 not to sign him.
If you go by PITCHfx data
Sizemore’s OSwing% has increased, but not nearly to the degree suggested at Fangraphs. And his ZSwing% has increased a little, too, so he was just swinging more.
by Jeff Sullivan on Nov 2, 2011 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Swinging more is not a good thing
Especially when you’re swinging strike% is higher than ever. Still, I didn’t realize PITCHfx data was appreciably different than Fangraphs. Maybe the loss in discipline isn’t as great as I thought.
Richie Sexton?.
Just kidding, worth a shot for the right price!
Go Cougs!
It boggles the mind as to how many people get this wrong
He played with this team for 2 years (while just with the team for another 1.5) and yet people still get this wrong.
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
Yeah it's weird, kinda like the people who still can't pronounce Ichiro.
by Patrick Stites on Nov 3, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Or Warshington
I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh
This stuff happens all the time
when Matt Leinart was the QB for USC people misspelled his name all the time. Even after he won the Heisman people still couldn’t get it right.
To improve, they should try to become the musical southern cal of the west. - bRuins Nation poster on the Stanford band.
I saw "trying to make it through donner pass by covered wagon > Tebow" on ESPN last night.
So, I too have been thinking about Donner’s Pass today. It’s a sign.
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Matthew and I are disappearing into the potentially snowy wilderness for a little while to officially celebrate the passing of another baseball season.
Gay
by Poochie on Nov 2, 2011 9:56 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
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he’s hit .220/.280/.379 with 26 unintentional walks and 120 strikeouts.
That’s a huge upgrade over Gutierrez
Oh goddammit.
The infuriating part is that this is true.
I am convinced that Seattle sports teams exist to make me hate Seattle sports teams.
by the other side on Nov 3, 2011 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Except D of course.
Sexy, sexy D.
I am convinced that Seattle sports teams exist to make me hate Seattle sports teams.
by the other side on Nov 3, 2011 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Hasn't the great D, can't hit well experiment run it's coarse?
I’m not saying great D has any less value. But, the M’s need people who can hit the ball. I’m also not suggesting the M’s give up on good D entirely, but they needs bats.
I’m also not saying like or dislike Sizemore over Gutierrez.
Fuck the Angels
I think the clusterfuck that has been our offense the last two years should not scare us away from defense.
I am convinced that Seattle sports teams exist to make me hate Seattle sports teams.
by the other side on Nov 3, 2011 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions
He'll end up with a division rival
Probably end up becoming an MVP candidate or something.
Carlos Silvelite
Unforeseen collapse in 2010 and 2011. He's been a Mariner for two years.
...and now I'm here
by CapSea on Nov 2, 2011 11:07 PM PDT reply actions 13 recs
All he needs to do is officially end his career by signing a contract with the Mariners
and quietly be dropped from the roster halfway through the season.
2011 Safeco Field Record: 1-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 13-5
by Fin on Nov 2, 2011 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I just hope
that whatever team he goes to, they don’t try to put him in right. His noodle arm will be cause for many an ulcer.
I am intrigued by Grady Sizemore. He was awesome for 5 years, and now he is average-ish.
Average-ish is an upgrade. On the other hand, what does that mean for our outfield? Ichiro is presumably still in right, though now long that sticks barring an impressive bounceback campaign is questionable. Is Gutierrez moved off of center? With Sizemore’s arm, he’d probably be better suited to left – and there we have a conundrum of a few guys who might be good (like Sizemore) but we really don’t know:
1) Saunders (probably bad)
2) Wells (potentially good)
3) Robinson (potentially good)
4) Carp (good bat, bad defense)
5) Peguero (bad)
In earnest: where do we put Grady Sizemore? Do we just put every other outfielder in our system on hold? Do we dump what is likely a decent amount of the budget for a guy who quite probably peaked early and will serve out his career as an average-ish left fielder? Who do we keep; who do we trade; what would Sizemore mean? I’m intrigued. But I just don’t see an organizational need into which we could fit Grady Sizemore.
Unless by some magic we knew new Grady Sizemore would become old Grady Sizemore in 2012.
Where do we put Sizemore? DH, batting 6th
Keeps both Carp and Sizemore’s bats in the lineup. Limits Sizemore’s injury woes. If one of them is cold, the other goes to DH and you plug a 4th OF (Wells?) into LF. Treat Sizemore as a DH who as a bonus can go into LF, but not as a 4th OF, essentially.
I don’t think the OF pile is going to be the same after this winter. I’m guessing that…
- Saunders goes away for a bag of peanuts
- Wells is the 4th OF
- Robinson probably gets more time to work on his offense in AAA
- Carp is the everyday LF unless he’s part of a trade
- Peguero works on strike zone recognition in AAA/AA or is just gone for the same Saunders serving of peanuts.
I would much, much rather have Wells in left and Carp at DH.
I’m with harkening on this one, I just don’t see a place for him. Unless you move Guti to fourth outfielder, which I actually wouldn’t be opposed to.
Sizemore/Wells platoon in LF, Carp at DH.
If Sizemore gets back some of his former flair hitting only against RHP, then his role can expand.
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If Mike Carp's glove gets most of the defensive playing time in left field our run prevention is going to take a significant hit.
And as it’s been pointed out multiple times by multiple bloggers, one good bat is not going to transform this lineup. We have many bad bats. Mike Carp is a 1B/DH. He’s defensively below average; in Safeco’s left field that is tremendously bad. So giving up runs on defense for the sake of runs on offense is not going to significantly lessen our run differential.
So I repeat: unless Bad Grady Sizemore is going to be Good Grady Sizemore again, no thanks.
by harkening on Nov 4, 2011 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The last time Sizemore was decent, Scott Kazmir was decent.
That is to say, I’m not impressed and hope that, if we sign him, he doesn’t get more than $1m.
M's fan newly relocated to SF My homepage
No thanks
Based in the risk, he’s going to cost more on the open market than we should pay. We need to find a player we can count on in left field as well as someone who can back up Guti if the invisible space bugs attack his innards again.
I certainly like the idea of Grady Sizemore. The reality is a bit scary, but it seems like he'd come pretty cheap, considering.
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Are we talking about "pretty cheap considering he is a potential star player" or "pretty cheap?"
there’s a huge difference
by seattlebruin on Nov 3, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I was thinking he'd get a one-year deal. But that's just an assumption I'm making, without intent to make an ass out of anyone.
I figured pretty cheap, like the hitting equivalent of Ben Sheets. Which turned out to be a bad deal, but worth the risk if it pays off.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Nov 4, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
The problem is that every team that needs OF depth is thinking along those lines.
I don’t see us acquiring him unless we end up overpaying, which I would not like to see.
by Cascadian Man on Nov 3, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I view Sizemore fairly similarly to how I looked at Rocco Baldelli a few years ago.
It’d be fun. It probably won’t be effective.
Yahoo's Jeff Passan has him the ninth-best free agent:
Grady Sizemore, OF: Nobody else will have him this high, which is fine. He’s 29, will be a year off microfracture surgery and primed to come back. Whether it’s a one-year, make-good deal or a multiyear, under-market package, the team that strikes on Sizemore – and moves him to left field – will be happy it did.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring". ~Rogers Hornsby
backspin vs. topspin?
silly analysis by the whomever. Topspin comes from hitting the top of the ball; backspin from hitting the bottom of the ball. Typically, you want top spin on grounders and backspin on fly balls (top spin grounders have higher speed; backspin flies carry further)…
That a swing has anything to do with topspin or backspin is ludicrous at the MLB level, given that which half of the ball is contacted is a function of timing vs. bat plane. Since almost all (and I would argue – ALL) MLBers have a slight upswing, or at least a “level” swing, and only the most abjectly horrid swings are “chops” that might intentionally induce a backswing, that component of the analysis is pure malarkey.
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Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
At this point
He’s good enough to pinch hit for maybe half of the mariner pitchers during interleague.
by Paul Marrott Weaver on Nov 4, 2011 4:02 PM PDT reply actions
Unrelated to the post, but...
Is there a reason we shouldn’t look into the allegedly available Martin Prado for 3B/LF? Still young, moderate amount of power, good K/BB. Depends on the asking price, obviously, but it sounds like a better plan than leaning on Seager or He Who Shall Not Be Named. Always liked him – seems like the kind of player Z would dig.
My reason is that I'm irrationally hopeful that Liddi is the answer at 3B.
It’s not exactly a good reason.
by Cascadian Man on Nov 6, 2011 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
It's his natural position,
but I can’t find any evidence on the internet that he’s got a weak glove at third. Couldn’t really hurt to have two capable second basemen.
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If I were to surrender talent to acquire a thirdbaseman I’d try to find someone who is a better fit or flip Prado. There’s more high end offensive talent a third and, all things being equal, I’d rather go find it instead of playing a secondbaseman over there.

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