Seattle Mariners Get No Respect From Gold Glove Voters
That reads like a heated headline, but it isn't intended that way, because in truth I'm not sure how much respect they really deserve. Given that the headline reads a way it isn't intended to read, I could always go back and change it, but then I'd have to delete this paragraph, right here. This paragraph that I'm typing right now. And then I'd have to come up with a different intro and everything. I'm not going to do that because I've decided that this offseason I'm going to be really lazy.
The reason for the headline is that nominees for the 2011 Gold Glove Awards have been announced, and for the first time in hey wait a second what are you talking about "nominees"? Since when are there nominees for the Gold Glove Awards? And since when is there this?
ESPN2 will televise the first-ever Rawlings Gold Glove Awards Show – emanating from ESPN’s Baseball Tonight studio in Bristol – Tuesday, Nov. 1, at 10 p.m. ET.
A Gold Glove Awards show. Airing at 10pm Eastern, so you can tell how much ESPN2 is counting on this to hit big. For ESPN2, 10pm Eastern in the middle of the week is basically a throwaway slot. At 10pm Eastern on Wednesday, ESPN2 will be airing an MLS playoff game for God's sake, which :remembers audience: :re-considers: all right
Anyway, the reason for the headline is that there are no Mariners among the nominees. There are plenty of ex-Mariners - Adrian Beltre, Asdrubal Cabrera, Ronny Cedeno, Casey Kotchman - remember when Casey Kotchman was a Mariner? - - but no current Mariners. Which means that, for the first time since 1986, no Mariner will win a Gold Glove. That snaps the longest streak in Major League Baseball.
It also snaps Ichiro's personal streak of ten Gold Gloves in a row. Gold Gloves have historically favored incumbents over challengers, and even though that pattern seems to be going away, this still tells you something about the different way that Ichiro was perceived this season. He didn't look like himself at the plate and he didn't look like himself in the field, and the voters picked up on that. Or they didn't pick up on that at all, penalized him for underachieving offensively, and this is a coincidence. I wonder which I will choose to believe. I wonder which you will choose to believe.
In all honesty this isn't a huge surprise. It's a surprise that there are nominees, or at least that was a surprise to me, but it isn't a huge surprise that there aren't any Mariners among them. Miguel Olivo is shitty. Justin Smoak missed too much time and wasn't great. Nobody played 100 games at second base, third base, left field, or center field, and I don't know if any of the pitchers are good or bad. Given that Ichiro wasn't superb, the only guy who had a strong argument is Brendan Ryan, and there are a number of fantastic defensive shortstops, so Ryan wasn't a given.
I guess you could complain about Ryan's exclusion if you really want to, since we all need things to complain about and Ryan led AL shortstops in Defensive Runs Saved, but ultimately these are just stupid, flawed Gold Gloves anyway, and it isn't worth twisting yourself into a delicious, warm, oven-baked pretzel with scattered grains of coarse salt and a separate dipping cup of stone-ground mustard. Also, we're still waiting on the Fielding Bible Awards, and the Fielding Bible Awards are a lot smarter, so maybe...welp, nope, turns out the Fielding Bible Awards were announced today and there aren't any Mariners in there, either. Sooooooo, moving right along.
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When I was 10, I'd get worked up about Gold Gloves
Now I’m so cynical I think the best defensive players are almost certainly the ones who don’t win them.
Jesus, now I really want a pretzel and it's not going to happen. Totally uncalled for, Sullivan
by Kermit. on Oct 31, 2011 3:54 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
Hey, look at what I found. Crescents, an entire package of crescents
Maybe instead of putting a pat of butter in the warm crescent, I’ll try melting butter in a small bowl and just dip the crescent right in there
Hey Kermit how do you feel about houseguests?
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 31, 2011 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey screw off man I called couchsies
by abender20 on Oct 31, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I have nothing but crass replies that are likely unfunny
This situation calls for classic Robert/Poochie
by Kermit. on Oct 31, 2011 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Seattle fielding bible votes:
2B: Ackley 8 (suck on that all you defence detractors)
3B: Figgins 7 (Whaaaaaaaat?)
SS: Ryan 77 (Second to Tulo’s 94)
CF: Guti 68 (3rd)
RF: Ichiro 25 (10th, but includes two 10’s)
P: Fister 14 (11th)
I'm glad to see Fister get some votes.
He looked stellar on balls hit at or around the mound area.
aw what the hell Gammons
Didn’t even include Ryan in his top-10.
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 31, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
And Gammons voted Ryan #2 in 2010
What the hell?
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 31, 2011 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
He was worried it was the pancakes.
by Eyebrows on Oct 31, 2011 4:42 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't get why Gammons is included in this.
Other than his insider status, he very much represents the old way.
There are plenty of Angels nominees, so the AL West is well represented.
Napoli's 27th, 28th, 29th and 30th homers of the year (four more than Jeff Mathis' career total) rained down on Angel Stadium like knives from the ceiling.
God, I know, right?
Fucking Angels fans thinking they can just hang out here and make themselves at home.
by Eyebrows on Oct 31, 2011 4:49 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
It's much more tolerable if they don't just talk about the fucking Angels all day.
by abender20 on Oct 31, 2011 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have nothing against Angels fans because many of them were born into it and that's the fault of their parents.
But there is an appropriate time and place to hold their group therapy sessions and it isn’t here.
These are rather weird.
Ichiro is near the bottom of qualified outfielders for range in 2011 (-6.3) after being near the top in 2010 (+17.0; Fangraphs). It’s hard to make any judgment on these things when you can’t see the process or the data. Are players heavily penailzed for plays they should have made but didn’t, such as Ichiro’s infamous missed line drive? A play that appears easy on replay may not have been easy at all in the field.
Would a lot of outfielders made the play that Cruz missed in the WS? Or would the ball have similarly fooled most of the otfielders?
Too many variables that can’t be accurately measured to make more than generalized assessments.
I'm not surprised
Ichiro seemed to lose a step or two.
Ryan was good but not spectacular.
Guti was good enough but missed too much time.
It was more than 20 years!
That is a cool thing!
I was born in 1987
This is the first year the M’s won’t win a gold glove in my life time. I’ve taken it for granted seeing a gold glove handed out on opening day, i might not know what to do with myself.
by Robert Praetor on Oct 31, 2011 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions
And so ends my last reason for caring about the Gold Gloves.
They are now at the level of a player getting 100 RBIs. I see a player I like get it and think, “Good for him,” and then promptly stop thinking about it.
Franklin Gutierrez was a UZR/150 of 27.1 this year, according to fangraphs
Small sample size and all, but given it was Gutierrez and I’m irrationally biased towards the Mariners, why no love for him Gold Glove voters?
I really don't understand the couldn't hit part.
Why the hell does that matter if you’re talking about how good their defence is?
by Aussie Mariner on Oct 31, 2011 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm more annoyed with the Fielding Bible
for failing to notice Brendan Ryan was measurably better than Tulo in runs saved (16 to 14). Eh, whatever: gold star, Brendan! And all that stuff about how you really can’t judge a fielder’s ability on a single year of data. A second thing that happened: Bill James’ web site had a couple of posts on “predicting the fielding bible winners” here. So, this could be a situation where Dewan spites Ryan to teach James who’s the boss. (Answer, Danza.)
I don't think that's a big deal.
Ryan coming in 2nd is alright in my mind. 2nd best defensive SS in all of MLB is nothing to sneeze at.
by Patrick Stites on Nov 1, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
In what way?
the best defensive outfielders are almost all center fielders
by seattlebruin on Nov 2, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions

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