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A Thought On Day 14 Of The 2011 MLB Playoffs

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There were two baseball games today. Two hugely important baseball games, since - and I don't know if you're aware of this - it's the playoffs. Today featured games from each League Championship Series. Each League Championship Series! The two teams who win will meet for the title!

But while the Rangers and Tigers played nine innings, and then the Brewers and Cardinals played nine innings, I think today really came down to a span of about four or five minutes. The Brewers/Cardinals game was fine and all, but it wasn't the most exciting baseball game I've ever watched. And then with the Rangers and Tigers, there was Justin Verlander throwing too many pitches, and Nelson Cruz homering again, but the big story came in the sixth.

For anybody who didn't watch: the score was 2-2 in the top of the sixth. The Rangers had the bases loaded and one out, with Ian Kinsler stepping to the plate. The feeling at the time was that a run or two would be enough to send the Rangers to the World Series, but Kinsler hit a grounder to Brandon Inge at third, where Inge stepped on the bag and threw to first to complete the 5-3 double play.

That was a miracle escape. Then in the bottom half, Ryan Raburn led off with a single. The next batter was the ever-dangerous Miguel Cabrera, but Cabrera hit what looked like a routine double play ball to third. Just as Adrian Beltre got in position, though, the ball bounced off the base and sailed over Beltre's head, rolling into left field for an RBI double. All of a sudden, the Tigers had the lead, and they wouldn't look back.

That was the story. Two groundballs to third in the span of a few minutes. The Tigers got the good one, and the Tigers got the win, forcing a Game 6 about which the Mariners fan in me is happy, but about which the person in me who wanted a free Saturday is rather upset.

What I want to talk a little about here before I fall asleep is the luck aspect. It was said almost immediately that Cabrera and the Tigers got lucky. I mean, a sure double play bounced off of a base and over the defender's head. That's luck, right? A Google News search for Rangers + Tigers + luck yields about 500 results over the past day. Said Cabrera himself:

"I was lucky, I was lucky," Cabrera said. "But like I say, it's better to be lucky than good."

Added Ian Kinsler:

"I think it's unlucky that the ball hit the bag, but that's the way it went tonight," said Kinsler, fully expecting to make the catch-and-turn for a sure-fire double-play.

I should say now that I don't know if I necessarily believe what I'm going to type. This is just a thought. Consider it me advancing one possible argument.

But: is luck really the right word? Is it really fair to say that Miguel Cabrera got lucky?

Here's what happened: C.J. Wilson threw a certain pitch. Miguel Cabrera hit it in a certain way, such that the ball bounced towards third, hit the base, bounced up, and sailed into left. The fact that the ball hit the base and bounced up is what's considered lucky.

But consider now a groundball. Another groundball, hit, say, to the hole. It's a groundball that ends up just out of the shortstop's reach, and it rolls on into the outfield for a single. It was that close to being kept in the infield and turned into an out, but instead it got through. Is that lucky? Nobody ever calls those hits lucky.

Why not? What's the difference? In both cases, the batter ends up with a hit, having avoided making an out by the narrowest of margins. A ball hitting off of a base is *weirder*, but just because it's rare doesn't mean it's lucky. Our custom is to give batters credit for the balls they put in play. Miguel Cabrera put a ball in play just right, such that it hit the base and bounced over Beltre's head. Why is that different than Miguel Cabrera putting a ball in play just right, such that it rolls past the shortstop, or drops in front of the right fielder? Baseballs are allowed to hit bases. It's part of the game. It's not like the Tigers won because a bird crapped on C.J. Wilson right as he was throwing a pitch and he wound up throwing a meatball that Cabrera crushed out of the park.

The odds of a baseball hitting a base and bouncing the way that Cabrera's bounced are slim. Slim odds do not mean luck. The odds of a baseball landing *anywhere* are slim. You've seen countless bloop singles into center field, and many of them look alike, but each of them has landed in a different place, the odds of which were very very small.

This really isn't a big issue. I'm approaching a thousand words on something that isn't a big issue. Ultimately, whether or not people refer to hits like Miguel Cabrera's as lucky isn't a real big deal. But I'm personally not a big fan of the word luck, and the way that it's used in baseball commentary and analysis. It seems to me that very little of what takes place on a baseball field is ever lucky. Weird, or rare, or unsustainable, sure, but lucky? I don't know. I don't think so.

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Actually, I do consider those grounders "lucky," to a certain extent.

Ever since I discovered Fangraphs and BABIP I can’t help but think about how lucky it was when someone’s weak grounder squeaks through a tiny hole in the infield. It actually kind of makes watching baseball slightly less enjoyable because I’m always thinking along the lines of “did that liner deserve to be a hit?” Or trying to calculate what the BABIP of a specific fliner to the gap might be. And then I say to myself “no that wasn’t lucky, he just maximized his chances and came out on top this time.” And then I say “damn, all anything in life is is maximizing your chances.” It’s kind of a scary train of thought.

by mamaxmax on Oct 14, 2011 12:17 AM PDT reply actions  

Maybe it's like this

From a dispassionate observer: rare
From an interested party: lucky
Just another thought, to add to your thought

by fiftyone on Oct 14, 2011 12:30 AM PDT reply actions  

And from a biased observer

It was “Finally, we got a bounce to go our way.”

by Rob Rogacki on Oct 14, 2011 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think the issue is that people have different conceptions of "luck"

In one sense it is used in a deterministic sense, as in “count your lucky stars” with its reference to astrology and fate. On the other hand, it is used in connection with randomness and unpredictability. I don’t really know where I am going with this, but I have long thought “luck” to be an ambiguous word; what exactly do we mean when we say something is “lucky”? I am not clear on this myself.

by quacker27 on Oct 14, 2011 1:36 AM PDT reply actions  

Consider the probability distribution

Ok, let’s say that the position and velocity of the bat (combined with same for ball, etc.) determine a flight path of the hit ball.

But we can imagine minimally disturbing both position and velocity to get a sample of “similarly hit” balls. This in turn would produce a distribution over potential flight paths of the hit ball.

For, say, a deep homerun, we can say that all/most similarly hit balls would also be homeruns. For an infield pop-up, almost all similarly hit balls would be infield pop-ups. The result is locally invariant.

However, for a warning-track fly-ball, some similarly hit balls would be home runs. For a grounder that sneaks through a hole, some similarly hit balls would be snagged by the infielder. The result varies over this local distribution of similarly hit balls.

If, say, 1/3 of the local distribution results in a hit and 2/3 in an out, we can (with some hand-waving that may make any theoretical statisticians uncomfortable, particularly any Bayesians, but which will seem fairly normal to most applied folks) say a ball hit like the one in question has a 1/3 probability of being a hit.

Now, let’s stipulate that a ground ball down the third-base line with a good defensive 3B in place to make the play only results in a hit if it hits the bag and takes a weird hop. If we determine that ball hit like Cabrera’s has a low probability of doing so (and a high probability of resulting in a ground out), then it doesn’t seem weird at all to call it a “lucky” outcome (where “lucky” means “low probability but beneficial”).

by expatbayern on Oct 14, 2011 1:50 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

We are certainly lucky you wrote this

Luck is pretty generic, both in individual meaning and application. Players do try to hit balls in certain places, for example, the hit and run with the ball being hit to the right side, but I’ve never heard of a player trying to hit a bag.

A ball hit into the hole depends also on the skill of the shortstop, where some balls better shortstops get to. For a ball that hits a bag, like Cabrera’s, the skill level of the 3rd baseman makes no difference.

Luck is just random occurrence with a personal attachment.

by PackBob on Oct 14, 2011 3:15 AM PDT reply actions  

Luck is defined as "success or failure apparently based on chance rather than one's own actions"

On could argue that since Cabrera swung at that ball he caused it to hit the bag, but I don’t think when he swung he was hoping his ball would hit the 3rd base bag. He probably thought he had a good pitch to hit. However he did exactly what Wilson wanted him to do and by the fact that Cabrera swung at the exact time and the ball bounce that exact way, it hit the bag, without anyone trying to make the ball do that. That’s luck, I guess.

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by Archibald Cunningham on Oct 14, 2011 7:46 AM PDT reply actions  

Mostly just going for solid contact.

I would say that some major league players, when they see a certain pitch, know that they can hit it a certain way and have a good chance of getting a base hit. It would happen instinctively to them of course but I do think that the best of the best have this ability. I would say this applies to slap hitters (Furcal, Gardner, Ichiro) poking balls over the 3rd baseman. Richie Sexson smashing singles into the 5.5 hole. Albert Pujols in everything he does. Lefty power hitters with their low-and-in wheelhouse (e.g. Cano).

Of course I am not among the best of the best so I don’t really know, but this is just how I feel from all of the baseball-watching I do.

by mamaxmax on Oct 14, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

A ground ball double that scores a runner from first is lucky.

Most groundballs are outs, an ok amount are singles, but almost never anything more.

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by lailaihei on Oct 14, 2011 8:41 AM PDT reply actions  

I disagree completely, Jeff.

It is a big deal. People are making a material distinction with no justification whatsoever. It’s a symptom of the poor reasoning that is endemic throughout the world.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Oct 14, 2011 9:28 AM PDT reply actions  

I think Cabrera's hit was 'lucky' in a sense different from a grounder in a hole.

We accept that a certain number of grounders will be hit within the range of the fielders and a certain number will be put in holes. The former are outs, the latter are hits. Both groups are identifiable (within a certain degree of accuracy) within an instant of the ball leaving the bat.

An instant after this ball left the bat, the ball was easily identifiable as being in the latter group. It ended up a hit nonetheless.

I think the fact that a hitter generally can’t control whether a grounder will be in a hole or not doesn’t really matter because they are just playing the percentages within the accepted distribution of grounders. This is playing with those percentages, losing, and still getting a hit.

by OJsApprentice on Oct 14, 2011 9:50 AM PDT reply actions  

I've given this subject way too much thought.

First off, I know next to nothing about physics. But it seems to me that in either scenario, where the ball ends up is not a matter of luck (= randomness), it’s a matter of physics. If a pitch thrown at arm angle A with velocity B and rotation C is struck by a bat held at angle D with force E and elevation F, it’s pretty inevitable where the ball will end up. It will travel to the spot where those factors combine to send it.

The “lucky” part (again using luck to mean randomness), it seems to me, is in the outcome of the batted ball — the safe or out of it. Consider two teams: One has nine fielders made up of Easter Island statues, the other is made up of nine superheroes (with Superman, the Flash and Spider-Man in the outfield). One team, the Metropolis Superheroes, has virtually eliminated the possibility any struck ball will fall for a hit; the other, the Stonehands, has virtually guaranteed they all will. All baseball teams fall somewhere in between these extremes, obviously.

Now where we get into trouble is when we use “luck” in the mystical sense (as IMO many fans do) and try to ascribe a moral angle to the random results of a ball in play, i.e. “good” luck and “bad” luck. Because if you believe in lucky bounces, then the outcome of every play is a matter of luck, and it’s neither good nor bad, because of course one man’s bad luck is another man’s good positioning. So the outcome of all balls in play — not just the bouncer that hits the third-base bag and caroms into the corner, but also the infield popup and the medium fly ball and the double-play grounder — ALL of them must be ascribed to luck, since the batter has little control over where the ball actually ends up. The outcome for ALL balls in play (with the possible exception of home runs) is either luck or not. And I don’t believe in the mystical aspect at all.

Because to get back to our hypothetical teams, please note that you can buy luck. How is it you can purchase something as unquantifiable as “good luck”? Well, I’m a Pirates fan. If you believe in the mystical, perhaps you think we’ve just had a 19-year run of bad luck, rather than that we just suck all the time. But what of the Yankees? Why is it the Yankees (generally) seem to have nothing but good luck? Could it have anything to do with the fact the Yankees can afford to field the best team in baseball and the Pirates can’t? Can it be that the Yankees can buy much better defenders, thereby neutralizing “luck,” than the Pirates can?

When fans speak of bad luck, what they really mean is, “Our players really aren’t very good. Our third baseman can’t get to that ball down the line. Our shortstop can’t field that ball in the hole. The ball in the gap falls in between our outfielders.” It’s not a matter of luck, good or bad, it’s a matter of talent.

So I’ll grant “luck” in the sense of the randomness of outcomes, but I’ll really be thinking the outcome is due to good or bad “talent.” And I’ll give no credence whatsoever to “luck” in the mystical sense, except in the cases of injuries and Steve Bartman.

by bucdaddy on Oct 15, 2011 10:14 AM PDT reply actions  

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