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Jose Lopez, Prospect

Yesterday, we took a look at part of Jason Vargas' Baseball America write-up from back when he was a prospect with the Marlins. People seemed to like the idea, so I'm going to run with a few more. What follows is a chunk of the BA review of Jose Lopez following the 2003 season, during which Lopez was a 19-year-old in the AA Texas League.

Lopez, by the way, was listed as the #4 prospect in the system, behind Felix Hernandez, Clint Nageotte, and Travis Blackley. He was just ahead of Shin-soo Choo. He was considered the #70 prospect in the league.

Strengths: While Lopez has impressive tools, Mariners officials say his greatest asset is his instincts. They rate him as the best defensive infielder in the system, while TL managers said he had the strongest infield arm in their league. He makes excellent contact and has well-above-average pop for a middle infielder. He has slightly above-average speed and savvy on the bases.

Weaknesses: Lopez rarely swings and misses, but he draws few walks because he puts the ball in play so easily. He needs to work deeper counts and add a little consistency to all phases of his game.

The Future: Lopez spent time at second and third base in 2003 so he’d be ready for whatever big league opening might come his way. His opportunity should come at shortstop after he spends a season in Triple-A and Rich Aurilia’s one-year contract expires.

(Rich Aurilia!)

Running down the list:

(1) Great instincts. This is tough, mainly because instincts are hard to define and hard to see in action. They're a little different, I think, from awareness or focus. What I'll say on the matter is that, were I asked to characterize Lopez's instincts now, "great" is not the first word that would come to mind.

(2) Strong defensive infielder. It's weird to read about old Lopez and remember that he used to be considered a gifted shortstop. I don't think he was bad as a Mariner, but he was a passable second baseman and, later, third baseman. He was, of course, blocked at 6 by Yuniesky Betancourt, and I know defense often declines with age as a player fills out, but little about the way Lopez played suggested that he could've cut it at short, or that he had Gold Glove ability. Good arm be damned, defense hasn't been a strength of his.

(3) Excellent contact. Jose Lopez is by no means a line drive machine, but among guys who've batted at least 1000 times since Lopez arrived in 2004, his contact rate ranks in the uppermost fifth. For better or worse, he knows how to put the bat on the ball.

(4) Above-average pop for a middle infielder. Lopez has slugged .400 for his career in a miserable ballpark and is a perennial threat to reach double-digit home runs, so I'd say this is still true. What's disappointing is that Lopez posted an isolated slugging percentage of .145 as a 19-year-old in the pitcher-friendly Texas League just prior to this write-up. 2009 should be the norm, and not the anomaly. A guy like Lopez either needs to keep playing good defense, or start mashing a little more as he adds weight.

(5) Reasonable speed and savvy on the bases. Since breaking in, Jose Lopez has stolen 23 bases and been caught 16 times. He has all of 11 triples - eight of them in one season - and other than Casey Kotchman, I can't think of another Mariner who so often made outs as the result of rundowns, aggressive turns, and brainless attempts to advance. Baseball Prospectus puts his career baserunning value at -17.3 runs. These days, Jose Lopez is relatively slow, and "savvy" is literally among the last adjectives I'd use to describe any part of his game, right up there with "energetic" and "cerulean".

(6) Rarely walks. As a 19-year-old in the Texas League, Jose Lopez drew 27 walks. His career high in the Major Leagues is 27 walks, which he managed by coming to the plate an additional 99 times.

(7) Not enough consistency. Nobody in sports is ever considered consistent enough and it's not even clear whether you'd rather a guy be consistent or streaky in the first place, but Jose Lopez is not the most consistent player I've ever seen. I would be open to calling him consistently inconsistent, which god I hate this word

It's frustrating to reflect on what Lopez was as a prospect coming up through the system, and I think his development is best captured by the fact that, while BA listed him at 6'2, 170 in 2004, Rockies.com lists him at 6'0, 205. Not only has he gotten bigger; he's apparently gotten shorter, too.

Lopez's approach to hitting hasn't changed much from where it was as a teenager. He can still put the bat on the ball, but he hasn't shown anything in the way of selectivity, and his power hasn't progressed much despite adding the bulk that many scouts predicted. On top of that, nearly all other aspects of his game seem to have declined, and while I don't think he's a bad player, this guy went from being an athletic teenage top prospect to practically being non-tendered at 27.

Lopez ought to be so much more. And who knows; maybe it'll all come together in Colorado, or somewhere else. By no means is he finished. His seven-year Mariners career, though, was disappointing overall. You read the old report and you come away with the impression that Lopez was a driven, heads-up, highly successful athlete who knew what it took to get better. If that was true then, I don't know that any of that's been true for a while.

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Jose Lopez is hitting 30 homeruns in 2011.

Dustin Ackley is going to make Joe Morgan look like Joey Cora.
AL Scout on Rendon: "I would peg him as a poor man's Jose Lopez."

by joof on Jan 26, 2011 2:20 PM PST reply actions   3 recs

That's a lot of homeruns.

Dustin Ackley is going to make Joe Morgan look like Joey Cora.
AL Scout on Rendon: "I would peg him as a poor man's Jose Lopez."

by joof on Jan 26, 2011 2:30 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

If he gets enough playing time, possibly.

Although their humidor has supposedly cut down that advantage.

"I've seen prison breaks with more organization and cooperation than this"

by Thingray on Jan 26, 2011 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

If that's how much time he has, yes.

Dustin Ackley is going to make Joe Morgan look like Joey Cora.
AL Scout on Rendon: "I would peg him as a poor man's Jose Lopez."

by joof on Jan 26, 2011 2:57 PM PST up reply actions  

This is a phenomenal series (two points does make a line) and I commend you for your efforts.

May this magical journey be spontaneous, enthusiastic, and in no way overwhelmed by people begging for particular players to be covered next! L’chaim!

by abender20 on Jan 26, 2011 2:25 PM PST reply actions   7 recs

Maybe we'll get to see one on Justin Leone

Although most of what was written about Leone on the web probably came from Jeff, anyway.

by nathaniel dawson on Jan 26, 2011 4:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: the "strongest infield arm in the league"

I remember a play with a sharply hit ball to Lopez’ right (I think), he had to go behind the bag at second to get it. He then threw the ball right into Bucky Jacobsen’s (remember Bucky?) mitt in plenty of time to get the runner.

Unfortunately, the ball did not stop there. It went literally through the glove—taking the webbing with it.

Granted, Bucky was mostly a DH, so his 1B glove did not get a lot of use (or maintenance, apparently), but still, my immediate thought was, this kid has a hell of an arm.

by georgmi on Jan 26, 2011 2:34 PM PST reply actions  

He's never lacked for arm strength, that's for sure.

I sure didn’t worry about it when he moved to third last year, and he never gave me any reason to after the shift. He’s no Beltre, but who is?

"I've seen prison breaks with more organization and cooperation than this"

by Thingray on Jan 26, 2011 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't call Lopez a dissapointment.

He wasn’t what we wanted him to be, certainly, but he was very productive. He was paid all of $5.4 M and produced 7.5 fWAR and 8.1 rWAR. In dollar terms, he provided about $32M in value, leaving $26.6M in surplus value. That’s about what top 25-50 prospects average over their initial years of club control. I think people are forgetting that for all the crap we give him and for all his faults, Lopez is actually a decent player.

For what he was, we got a great amount of value out of Lopez.

M's fan in the Bay, soon to be LA

by perfectstrat on Jan 26, 2011 3:54 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Good point

Sometimes we don’t realize that most prospects never end up as above average regulars. Many get their shots here or there, maybe they have a good year or two, but few of them are good year-in, year-out. Lopez has actually had a pretty nice MLB career so far.

by nathaniel dawson on Jan 26, 2011 4:03 PM PST up reply actions  

On the one hand, you're absolutely right - a lot of top prospects fall short of what Lopez has already accomplished

But here’s a top prospect who played decent defense at second while OPS’ing .723 at the age of 22. His career OPS, through age 26, is .697. What’s disappointing is that, by and large, he’s made zero progress.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 26, 2011 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I blame Mike Hargrove.

Dustin Ackley is going to make Joe Morgan look like Joey Cora.
AL Scout on Rendon: "I would peg him as a poor man's Jose Lopez."

by joof on Jan 26, 2011 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I was promised Miguel Tejada

Lopez is a disappointment.

Was he useless? No, not at all.

I expected him to be a cornerstone of our team for a long time holding down a premium position in our infield. He didn’t.

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 26, 2011 5:16 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

You just proved to me

that prospect reports mean jack shit. Where do I go to hold onto false hopes now?

by RunDMD on Jan 26, 2011 9:19 PM PST reply actions  

WORSE prospect reports.

“He was just ahead of Shin-soo Choo.”

by marc w on Jan 27, 2011 12:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Really? I thought this got a couple things dead on, even then.

I think what you have to take into account with 7 year old prospect reports…

1. They’re 7 years old. This may seem rather obvious but if you looked at the Baseball Prospectus entry for Ken Griffey Jr. or Jose Vidro you’d find completely different players than the 2010 versions (I don’t know what the 2010 version of Jose Vidro would be, and I really don’t want to know, but I know it would be different). While young kids may or may not be any less predictable than older players (a major plank of Bill James’ work in the 80s was that minor league performance, when adjusted, is as indicative of future value as major league performance is, and if stats translate, why not scouting reports?), but they certainly aren’t more predictable.

2. Fielding and speed age a lot sooner than a lot of people think. Even sabermetricians who have accepted 26-29 as the peak years rather than the classic 27-32 don’t always grok that the 26-29 is really the point where a lot of different things converge: power and patience peaks a little later, contact peaks at about that time, and speed and defense peak earlier. Many collegians enter the minor leagues fielding as well as they will ever field. I think scouts can be just as guilty of this: you see a 19 year old kid with decent speed, are you thinking that’s as fast as he’s ever going to get? Or do you “project his body”?

3. Second base is in many was the graveyard of baseball positions. Not everybody turns into Craig Biggio (and by the by, if you looked at Biggio’s scouting report from age 19 compared to age 26 you’d probably laugh at it as well because it projected him as a catcher). Lots and lots of second basemen who look decent in their early 20s plateau at this point and never improve. Carlos Baerga and Brent Gates are the first two guys like this who come to mind but there are lots and lots of others. I mean, even look at the Bill James Historical Abstract and compare 2nd base with, say, 3rd base and see how guys’ careers are in even the 50-70 range.

by Johnny Slick on Jan 27, 2011 8:12 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm curious about who merits the adjective "cerulean"?

Does Vida Blue have a son playing baseball somewhere? Or Johnny Odom?

ignacio

by ignacio on Jan 26, 2011 9:26 PM PST reply actions  

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