Goodbye To The Ol' Ten Cent Head
There are a lot of remarkable things about Felix Hernandez. From the biting mid-90s fastball to the Royal Curve to the blazing change to the on-mound demeanor, Felix possesses a number of qualities on which one could remark. But one of the most remarkable things about Felix Hernandez is that he's a survivor. He's an arm who came up through the Mariners system and got around the woodchipper that claimed the careers of Ryan Anderson, Jeff Heaverlo, Rett Johnson, Travis Blackley, and so many others. The Mariners killed. Felix lived.
Gil Meche was a survivor, too. Sure, he retired today due to continuing problems with his shoulder. And sure, his career almost ended early on the operating table when he had his labrum worked on at the age of 22. Gil Meche came close. But Gil Meche survived, and ends his career having thrown 1432.1 innings in the Major Leagues. That's good enough for 751st all-time, tied with a man named Kaiser Wilhelm.
The story with Meche, of course, is that he was always billed as a guy with electric stuff who could never build on his promise. In both 1998 and 1999, he found himself ranked one of Baseball America's top 100 prospects, and he absolutely dominated with A-ball Wisconsin before turning 20. When he graduated to an inconsistent career with the Mariners, he became a source of frustration, as people wanted him to be so much more than he was.
That perception stuck with him when he went to Kansas City. After signing a five-year, $55m contract with the Royals, expectations were high, and Gil's first start saw him spin 7.1 one-run innings against the Red Sox on Opening Day. But Gil didn't blossom into a classic ace, and while he was pretty good at first, he still always felt like something of an underachiever, and he wound up giving the Royals just two and a half solid seasons on a five-season investment.
And now he's retired at the age of 32. It's clear that Meche's career didn't go the way so many people wanted it to. To a lot of people, Gil should've been a #1, and what held him back was that he was a mental midget who didn't know how to make himself better. There's nothing a sports fan hates more than a guy they feel has wasted so much of his potential.
But it's important to remember a couple things. Gil Meche made a dozen big league starts before his 21st birthday. He was up, and he was up young - much younger, probably, than he should've been. He made all of 16 starts above A-ball before getting thrust to the Majors. The Mariners didn't give him much of a chance to develop among his peers.
And then there was the labrum surgery. Labrum surgery is a big deal now. It was a huge deal in 2001. Labrum surgery was considered something of a death knell, but Gil was able to fight back, and wound up spending the entire 2003 season in the Mariners rotation. Gil Meche underwent one of the worst possible procedures for a pitcher at the age of 22, and between 2003-2009 was still able to make 204 big league starts while pulling home a big-money contract.
From one perspective, Gil Meche underachieved. Here was a guy who came up with a good fastball and three other pitches, and ended with a career ERA+ of 99. Most anyone you ask will tell you that Gil Meche should've been better than that.
But make no mistake: Gil Meche beat the odds. While he could've been better, the same goes for everybody else as well, and it's really rather impressive that he was able to do what he did for as long as he did before his shoulder gave up. Sometimes it's worth forgetting about potential and just focusing on what a guy is able to give. Despite the challenges, Gil Meche gave a lot.
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Man, that Kaiser Wilhelm. Such a unifying presence in the lockeroom.
by ThomasG on Jan 18, 2011 1:13 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
This is fantastic.
Dustin Ackley is going to make Joe Morgan look like Joey Cora.
AL Scout on Rendon: "I would peg him as a poor man's Jose Lopez."
"My shoulder has deteriorated to the point where surgery would be the only option"
sadly, that pretty much sums up Gil’s career.
He deserves
so many accolades for actually retiring and not taking 12 million dollars from the Royals.
That’s a huge move. Not many people would do that.
"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-
Well there's this...
https://twitter.com/#!/jonmorosi/status/27438434746372096
by Eyebrows on Jan 18, 2011 2:12 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think if he files retirement papers this happens automatically.
Unless he had something specific written into his contract.
"Come on. Let's go drink till we can't feel feelings any more."
I always liked Gil a lot
He reminds me of Brandon Morrow in a lot of ways. I remember one start he had in Yankee Stadium where either the gun was JUICED that day or Gil was, and in the 8th inning he uncorked some high 90’s heat that was really fun to watch. Sad that that won’t happen again, but I always remember that day.
Taking credit for other people's work is a shitty thing to do
especially when it’s mine
by Matthew on Jan 18, 2011 4:30 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I liked him because his name is almost Gilgamesh
...and now I'm here
by CapSea on Jan 18, 2011 2:25 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I always like Gil. When I was young, I would try to emulate his pitching mechanics. In hindsight, that probably wasn't the best of ideas, but I still had fun with it.
I don’t know why I like Meche so much; possibly due to his weird name or maybe because he looked good in Mariner’s teal. What ever it was, he was one of my favorite Mariner pitchers to take the mount.
With that being said, I wish Gil the best and I hope his arm doesn’t cause him too much trouble down the line. He’s (hopefully) got a long time left in life and having a dead arm would suck
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
Same
When I was younger I always thought that Meche had the most potential of any of our pitchers.
by niceguysfinishlast on Jan 18, 2011 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
He was so fragile, his nickname should have been "Papier meche"
If you're happy and you know it, rec my posts.
And let's be clear, he didn't just spontaneously require surgery.
He required surgery because his arm was run into the ground by a coaching staff that was determined to milk every inning it could out of him in his first season up. A lot like Ken Cloude, the Mariners’ org. basically destroyed a promising pitcher’s career in order to look like a decent ball club for a year.
I agree.
His 5 WAR in 2007 and 4.4 WAR in 2008 show how terrible he became as a result of the Mariners destroying his career. It’s not like Trey Hillman was leaving him out for huge pitch counts when he was complaining of Fatigue and deadarm that could have caused this.
Dustin Ackley is going to make Joe Morgan look like Joey Cora.
AL Scout on Rendon: "I would peg him as a poor man's Jose Lopez."
hmmmm
So what about an orgnization that throws a 23 year old for almost 240 innings and the when they turn 24 throm them out there for almost 250? Arm injuries occur because the trhowing motion isn’t natural for the human body. There is no way to know who is going to ruin their shoulder and who will be fine. Please point me to evidence that shows how an arm is less likely to be injured when the pitcher threw fewer innings while young.
At the end of each of their age 21 seasons, Felix had thrown nearly 3 times as many major league innings as Meche.
171.1 to 465.2
Felix threw more innings in both his age 20 and 21 season than Meche had thrown by the time he was 21, despite playing in two seasons at that point.
Dustin Ackley is going to make Joe Morgan look like Joey Cora.
AL Scout on Rendon: "I would peg him as a poor man's Jose Lopez."
by joof on Jan 18, 2011 4:45 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Relating to
So are you attempting to prove that Felix was ramped up to his Major league output by the age of 23? I believe that a minor league inning would be just as stressful on a pitcher’s arm as a major league inning. So should the correlation be between age and innings pitched or jump in workload over the previous season. Also, every arm is going to react differently so you are going to need a larger sample size if you are trying to convince someone that workload increase or age overwork is detramental to a pitcher’s shoulder. I could easily just say that at birth god put a pitch count on everyone shoulder, and no matter what action is taken that pitch count holds true, and that pitch count is different for every person/shoulder?
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You might want to be careful replying to this because it could be take as arguing with god.
Pretty sure God wouldn't mis-spell His name with a lowercase letter so there you go
by seattlebruin on Jan 18, 2011 6:04 PM PST up reply actions
Bitch has had it too easy for far too long.
Dustin Ackley is going to make Joe Morgan look like Joey Cora.
AL Scout on Rendon: "I would peg him as a poor man's Jose Lopez."
Since it's Gil Meche and I don't like your tone, I'll reply.
Yes. The Mariners ramped up Felix’ workload and were very open about it. As he developed his first few years up the Mariners made many public statements attesting to the care they were applying to both injuries and development.
Your second sentence begins with “I believe…”. Apparently this lends enough weight in both confidence and authority to bolster the next few rambling sentences that address issues commonly raised in arguments over pitcher development. Big whoop, nothing new and enlightening to be found here at all.
And your admonishment for a larger sample size. For what purpose? Joof compares two pitchers at comparable levels and ages. He makes no statements and draws no conclusions. If you’re inferring anything into his comment, then feel free to read up on the latest and greatest in analysis applied to pitcher development and apply it to those two pitchers. Try Fangraphs, I hear they publish stuff and it’s free.
Also, I’m curious. Why punctuate the final sentence with a question mark? You made a statement.
Meche
Maybe he should just learn to pitch left handed
No, you alluded to Felix, and I wanted to see how he compared to Meche at that age.
And he had way more innings at a younger/same age as Meche.
Dustin Ackley is going to make Joe Morgan look like Joey Cora.
AL Scout on Rendon: "I would peg him as a poor man's Jose Lopez."
it worked out the best for us Will....
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Jan 18, 2011 6:45 PM PST up reply actions
As frustrating as the Epic of Gilgameche was
I never blamed him for it, really . . . I’m still amazed that he managed to come back from the abuse and injury at all, let alone to have a decent career.
by The Ancient Mariner on Jan 18, 2011 4:11 PM PST reply actions
All of this made me remember Ryan Anderson
I know he had some control issues but man he could have been good. 146 K’s in 104 innings at AAA at 20….I wonder how he could have helped us in 2001 had he stayed healthy…
by niceguysfinishlast on Jan 18, 2011 4:29 PM PST reply actions
Hall of Fame
Do you think he will be going in as a Mariner or a Royal?
Depends on what hat he's wearing when he pays the $16.95 for a ticket that day
by Matthew on Jan 18, 2011 4:32 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Price
Is it really $16.95? Man I have to get to Cooperstown.
If you're visitor number 10 million, you get to be enshrined as a 1920s-era Pittsburgh Pirate.
Nobody will notice.
by Matthew on Jan 18, 2011 4:46 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
You know what's funny about ending sentences with a question mark when it's not the proper punctuation?
Nothing. It reads like a 14 year old Valley Girl circa 1990 where every sentence ends by shifting up an octave in tone.
by Kermit. on Jan 18, 2011 6:54 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Tough one
He spent more time in Seattle but was a little more dominant in KC. We had a better team though. I think when historians look back on Meche’s career they will remember him as a Mariner
by niceguysfinishlast on Jan 18, 2011 4:34 PM PST reply actions
Reply fail
This was meant to be in response to the HOF question.
by niceguysfinishlast on Jan 18, 2011 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
Unless I'm recalling things wrong, it wasn't Rett Johnson's arm that derailed his career.
It was some unspecified personal issue — Jay might be able to tell us more.
Memories of a person can be funny — you remember the weirdest things sometimes. What sticks out to me with Gil Meche is the time when Bill Bavasi called him a “rockhead”. It was at one of the first local blog get-togethers with Bavasi, and I almost couldn’t believe my ears when he said that.
by nathaniel dawson on Jan 18, 2011 5:03 PM PST reply actions
Yeah, with Rett it was more of a mental thing
But I included him because he’s nevertheless a top prospect who didn’t graduate.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 18, 2011 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
Nageotte, too, could be included in that list
He had a lot of people amped up, including national prospect watchers. Can’t remember the details, but I think he had some back problems which resulted in an arm injury. Or maybe he just wasn’t as good as people thought.
by nathaniel dawson on Jan 18, 2011 5:32 PM PST up reply actions
Yuni ended up being worth negative five gobstoppers
by Matthew on Jan 18, 2011 5:34 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
For some reason "The Gobstopper" seems like a perfect nickname for Yuni
Too bad he’s no longer on either of our teams.
I liked Gil Meche.
He was no Sam McDowell, but who is?
ignacio
by ignacio on Jan 18, 2011 6:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I always liked him.
Best of luck to him. If he has kids, at least he can watch them grow up. Good for him.
Gil Meche was one of those guys I put hope in every year
I felt for him when he struggled with his health but that doesn’t stop me from being disappointed. I’m not disappointed in him, I’m just disappointed how his career turned out because I still have hope/faith he could have been great.

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