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52-82, Game Thought

This was an interesting matchup. Or rather, this was not an interesting matchup, at all. But the idea of this matchup was interesting. Here we had the Seattle Mariners hosting the Cleveland Indians on the 2nd of September. The Mariners, of course, were previously organizational darlings. They were said to have one of the strongest and smartest front offices in the game, and they became so much of a sleeper pick to be the next great team that they didn't count as a sleeper anymore. The Jack Zduriencik Mariners were going to do wonderful things.

Opposing the Mariners were the Indians, who, you might remember, were these Mariners before these Mariners became these Mariners. The Indians of a few years ago had Mark Shapiro as their general manager. They had Chris Antonetti whipping up databases and practically sleeping in them. They had smarts, and a bunch of young talent, and all the right philosophies. The Indians were a team on the rise, and writers and internetters alike fell all over themselves to label them as perhaps the best organization in baseball.

Tonight, the Mariners and Indians clashed. And it didn't matter for shit.

The much-hyped Mariners sit in last place. The previously-equally-hyped Indians sit in last place. This might as well have been Jobriath having drinks with Todd Van Poppel. I think a lot of people tend to have short memories about this stuff, and many have forgotten how high was the Indians' pedestal a little while back, but some of us remember, and for us, you could say this game was a lesson of sorts. A lesson about hype, about overconfidence in our opinions, about our unwillingness to change what we already think. Here were the Mariners - the on-field product of one of the most hyped front offices I've ever seen - facing a team that once was them, a team that has since sank back into irrelevance. It was hard to shake the feeling that we might've been looking in the mirror, or into the future.

I'm not saying the Mariners are doomed. The Indians, for one thing, came a win away from the World Series in 2007. For another, the M's are working with a significant financial advantage. And lastly, this is only the second year of the Zduriencik administration, and there's a lot of talent hanging around the upper levels. The M's may very well go on to fulfill the expectations and aspirations so many of us have had for them over the past calendar year.

I just found the juxtaposition a little chilling is all. I still do. I mean, I watched this game, and I have an angle. I have something interesting about the gameplay to write about. Using the familiar PITCHfx tool at Brooks Baseball:

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That's Doug Fister's pitch location last week on top, and Doug Fister's pitch location tonight on bottom. You notice anything? Tonight, Fister couldn't locate anything down - especially in the game-changing sixth inning. Everything he threw was elevated. There was no changing of the Indians hitters' eye level, because practically every pitch was at the same level as the pitch before. That's unusual for a guy who's supposed to throw at a downward angle and keep the ball on the ground. It was also unusual that Fister only threw 52 fastballs out of 96 pitches. Was something bothering him? Was his back hurting? Was his arm hurting? Did he not trust his fastball? Was this all a conscious decision to mix things up?

The Indians put 20 balls in play against Fister, and only four of them stayed on the ground. Something interesting happened with Doug Fister tonight. But rather than explore what might've gone on, and rather than discuss whatever implications this may have, after the game I got up, did the dishes, and asked myself "who cares?" What's the point of reviewing Doug Fister's start on September 2nd of a season in which the Mariners are 30 games below .500? He didn't throw a no-hitter. He didn't sprint off the field holding his elbow. He didn't throw anything 100 miles per hour, and he didn't throw anything 50 miles per hour. He just had five decent innings, and then a bad inning, and it doesn't matter, and because it doesn't matter, why write much about it?

It's been an existential few hours. Tonight, we watched a game between two of the most hyped organizations of the decade. These teams were supposed to be the cream of the crop. And after the game, all I've been able to do is philosophize, since commentary and analysis just seems so very...not irrelevant, but insignificant, and unnecessary. Who wants to read about this game? Who really wants to read about this game?

Indians fans must be loving this. Indians fans have been warning us about this possibility since the Mariners first started drawing positive attention. Maybe we'll end up getting the last laugh. Or maybe we'll end up laughing with them at the next vessel that fails to float.

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Hmmm....

I’m starting to realize that determining the health of organizations is a tad difficult.

by ThundaPC on Sep 3, 2010 1:08 AM PDT reply actions  

I saw a few minutes of Pirates-Cubs maybe yesterday, and there was some clutch hitting

and I thought, “Oh yeah. Baseball.”

Seattle’s lineup is so punchless, so unappealing, so extraordinarily bad, it’s just become very hard for me to watch them anymore. The rare but hypothetical best outcome requires our starter to shut down the other team and if we’re lucky we might win 2-1. But one-run games of this variety are no longer interesting by this point.

I would like it if Felix could finish 13-10, but that seems a longshot.

ignacio

by ignacio on Sep 3, 2010 1:40 AM PDT reply actions  

And unfortunately

the brouhaha that broke over Lueke, if it’s an omen, isn’t a good one.

by The Ancient Mariner on Sep 3, 2010 4:55 AM PDT reply actions  

The Terror that is Shin Soo Choo

Jeff , I’m right there with you on this, however, I don’t give Z a pass for “only being in his second year”. His plan completely imploded.

Watching the Shin Soo Choo show reminded me that the meaning of some trades goes far deeper than just the players involved. The trade of Choo and Cabrera to the Indians indicates that the talent evaluation process throughout the organization was so broken that things might be far more screwed throughout the minor league chain than even Z thought. There are some good pitchers, but I don’t see any real hitting talent in the minor league system. The PCL seems to pump up mediocre hitters stats, and then they bust against MLB pitching.

 I think they are set back enough that Ichiro will be a nice memory , and Felix is with another team on his next FA contract before we are a 2nd place team again. Then Rangers will be good for several more years, and the Angels will rebuild quickly. Let’s watch the season ticket sales figures and see if they fall enough that Armstrong forces the GM to start shipping out our pitching prospects in and attempt to get some middle of the road veterans and put butts in seats. Armstrong will be on the hot seat next year i believe, so expect insane acts of desperation.

by cjhenry41 on Sep 3, 2010 5:52 AM PDT reply actions  

You jumped from A to Z by way of the number 17 in that post.

I don’t think Bavasi’s problem was ever recognizing minor league talent. From what I’ve read he did a fine job of finding young talent with the Angels and he didn’t do that badly with the Mariners. The problem was the priority of the Mariners wasn’t developing minor league players and committing to a rebuilding plan. The priority was put on the major league club (i.e. “proven” veterans) over unproven rookies. This really wasn’t any different than what had been going on since the late 90s.

How can you say there is good pitching talent in the minor leagues while dimissing any hitting talent? Everything I’ve seen indicates that there is offensive talent in the minors at all levels. Do you think that Ackley, Franklin and Choi (to name a few) don’t have any offensive potential?

I understand your pessimism, but I think there are more things to feel good about with the team now then there were a few years ago.

No matter where you go, there you are.

by KC Mariner on Sep 3, 2010 6:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Also the M’s have way deeper pockets than most crap teams, even with all the crappy string of seasons they’ve put up. I’d think it would be hard to continually put out a dismal product with some of the minor league players they have coming up and the mulla they’ll be willing to spend once a few of those players manage to stick and be contributors at the major league level. Seems like a year or two from now there will be a nice young core there and they’ll have the money to augment that with some solid veterans.

by TIFO on Sep 3, 2010 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

And while the M's may have money concerns going forward, they're not the only team in that boat.

The economy is hurting everyone, from the A’s to the Yankees. The M’s may even be in a better situation than most teams, since they have relatively few long-term contracts from the salary boom of a few years back.

What're ya gonna do with those pies, boys?

by rickpo on Sep 3, 2010 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

You're confusing "plan" with "team."

The team completely imploded, not the plan. The plan is to develop talent from the minors to supply the Major League team with a strong core that will help them be competitive going forward. The idea is that when they get good, they will stay good. I have no reason to believe that this plan isn’t going well.

It was a nice euphoric thought to believe that it would only take two seasons to get there from the disastrous 2008 season, and why not? Landing Cliff Lee out of nowhere was intoxicating. A high 70-win team suddenly became a low-to-mid 80-win team and given the competition, that just might have been enough to reach the playoffs. As we’re seeing right now, though, the team failed.

There’s nothing deep about the Shin Soo Choo trade or even the Astrubal Cabrera trade. Both of those trades were made as a lousy attempt to contend in 2006. Bavasi flat out said as much in the last year or so. In addition, the talent we had in the system was fine. The reason it needs replenishing is because Bavasi had traded a good chunk of it away before getting fired.

Since Zduriencik has taken the helm, the minor league system has improved. It’s getting better by the year. No, it was never going to magically rival the Rangers farm system within a year or two but it’s heading in the right direction.

The team failed. The plan, from what we can tell, is still working.

by ThundaPC on Sep 3, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also interesting(?) that the two teams the M's lost to in the playoffs in '95 and '97

are now the cellar dwellers in their respective divisions, as are the Mariners.

by ralphie81 on Sep 3, 2010 8:42 AM PDT reply actions  

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