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Warning: not baseball.

Star-divide

I wasn't intending to write about this. The plan was to just go, and have fun, or not have fun, and leave, and that would be the end of it. It would probably come up later in conversation, as friends would reflect on the time we had, but it wouldn't come up online. Why would it? I cover baseball. I know as much about football these days as I know about walnuts.

But here we are. Turns out I can't help it. Writing is kind of what I do, and there's no mental shutoff valve. There are boring games I can choose not to write about, but when a game's interesting, it's out of my hands. I can't not write. No matter the sport, apparently. It's a compulsion, or an addiction, or something. One way or another, words end up written.

Yesterday afternoon, I went to my first-ever home Seahawks game.

First, some quick background - I used to be a huge Seahawks fan. I used to be a huge football fan, but a fan of the Seahawks in particular. I had my little kid's uniform and helmet from Toys R Us and everything.

When I was younger, I was big into the four major sports. Eventually I gave up on basketball - this was before the Sonics moved, but after the Bulls series - but I still clung to my three. Clung hard. Through high school in San Diego, and into Connecticut, I was all about the Mariners, the Senators, and the Seahawks.

Then the Super Bowl happened and it caused an almost instant re-evaluation. Why do you care? This game is too flawed. You don't even like watching it that much anyway. The pace is too slow. You only have so much time and energy, so why devote so much to a sport you barely like? A sport where your victorious moment was stolen out of your hands in front of everyone, and no one could do a damn thing about it?

I didn't come out of it a conspiracy theorist. I didn't think the refs were bought off. I thought the refs were morons. I came out of it one of those people convinced that the Super Bowl was decided not by the players, but by a few of the people watching them. And that hurt. I'd never had one of my teams in the championship before. To see it taken away so unfairly - it was disillusioning.

I didn't know how to wrap my head around it. And when the next football season began, I asked myself how I could get back into something that had clipped (HA-HA) me so bad for no reason the year before. I didn't have an answer. So I didn't get back into it. I put forth some effort, then less effort, then even less effort then that, to the point at which the Seahawks became a team I liked in a game I didn't.

Fast-forward to last February. For the first time in my life, I was living in the northwest. I was excited for a bunch of reasons, most significantly the fact that the mountains up here can blow up, but I was also looking forward to the sports scene. Not so much in Portland, but in the region in general. Here, there are people who care about the Mariners.

And here, there are people who care about the Seahawks. I didn't think about it much early on, but as the months passed and the Mariners sank, I thought long and hard, and decided I had to give the Seahawks and football another chance. For years, I'd heard people rave about the atmosphere. About the experience. I'd seen the Seahawks in person before, but I'd only once seen them at home, and that was a preseason game. All the other times I'd seen them play the Chargers, and all of those games were on the road. I'd never seen them play a meaningful game in the Kingdome, and I'd never seen them play a meaningful game at Qwest. I decided this summer that, if I was going to go ahead and erase football from my radar, I could only do it after seeing what a home game was like.

As luck would have it, the Seahawks were scheduled to play San Diego. It was the perfect fit - the Seahawks for me, and the Chargers for Ms. Jeff. Tickets were bought. Anticipations were anticipated. This game stood the chance of being either one of the greatest Seahawks experiences of my life, or the last.

Fast-forward to yesterday. Gameday. I'd asked people on Twitter for advice, and to a man their replies all involved drinking. And that was fine. I'm a man who enjoys his drinking. But it didn't occur to me until I set my alarm that, if you're going to start drinking early Sunday morning, you probably shouldn't stay out drinking until three the night before. I'm not a college student anymore. What were once feats of strength have become more like feats of agony. You know you did something wrong when your contacts hurt from the moment you put them in.

 But this was a big day. This was a first. So I rolled myself out of bed, threw on my Hasselbeck jersey, put in my fucking contacts, and was greeted by the message that I should hurry up because one of our friends had been waiting downtown since 7:30.

It's amazing the way beer is its own medicine. When you're waking up from a long night of drinking, there are a number of things you don't want to do, but one of them is drink. There are two solutions to this quandary:

1)      Don't drink

2)      Drink

The first smell is the worst. The first taste is the worst. It gets better after that. It's not like I had a choice. It's not like the others had a choice. You don't get out of bed several hours in advance of a 1:15 kickoff just to sit in a bar and be sober all morning.

So we sat there in Temple and worked our way through pitcher after pitcher of what turned out to be brown liquid energy. What people don't tell you is that, in the morning, beer works a lot like coffee. It just isn't something you want to encourage in the workplace. With every pint, I could feel myself building. I could feel myself approach the appropriate blend of enthusiasm, overconfidence, and stupor for the occasion. I remember fist-pounds, and chest bumps, and coming out of the bathroom to the Seahawks drumline that had invaded the center of the bar, which I thought was just the coolest thing in the world.

That must've been the cue, because soon after the drumline stopped playing, we walked over to Qwest to stand in line to get in. There wasn't any chanting, but there was a definite buzz in the air, and though Ms. Jeff and her Chargers jersey didn't become a target for shit or words or shitty words, there was the right amount of taunting. Enough that we knew where we were without my having to be worried for her safety. We will never go to a game in Oakland.

We made our way to the 300 level and opted for standing room squares instead of the seats we'd been assigned. The way it was explained to me was that Robert liked to have room to run around. I didn't really get it then. I got it soon.

After years of hearing about the Qwest atmosphere, and after years of it being so incredibly loud that opposing players swore sound was piped in, I got my first taste when Nate McMillan raised the 12th man flag. It wasn't the loudest thing I'd ever heard. I've been near airplanes. I've seen Metallica in concert. I've watched the Stanley Cup on TV at home on maximum volume, turned the TV off, and turned it back on again later without remembering I'd forgotten to lower the sound. It wasn't loud enough to hurt.

But then, we were standing in front of a ten-foot concrete wall. All the sound from directly behind us was blocked. And it was still loud enough - sufficiently, sustainably loud - that I think my organs came loose. I'm pretty sure the duration and magnitude of the vibrations caused temporary liver failure.

And it didn't go away. Kickoff. First down. Second down. Third down. Plays themselves were less action, and more opportunities to breathe.

Then the Chargers fumbled.

The crazy thing to remember about a place like Qwest is that, when you hear the roar before a visitor snap, that's just a fraction of the crowd making noise. A significant fraction, but a fraction nonetheless. The roar after a turnover, or a stop, or a score - that's everyone. That's the sound of 70,000 people losing their minds.

It's a powerful, exhilarating sound.

I don't need to sit here and provide a play-by-play recap of yesterday's Seahawks game. I don't remember enough of the details, and you can get everything you need and more over at Field Gulls. Besides, there are only so many ways to express how loud people can be before you start to repeat yourself. What I will say is:

1)      Qwest Field is impossibly loud

2)      I got to celebrate my first-ever home Seahawks touchdown twice, as Deion Branch lost control of the ball at the goal line on a play that was overturned and ruled a fumble. John Carlson later hauled in an actual touchdown near the end of the half

3)      Seattle sports pessimism isn't limited to the Mariners, as I don't think anyone felt all that comfortable, even with the Seahawks up 17. It's a cautious city. Or a realistic one, depending on your perspective

I was happy that the Chargers scored, so that Ms. Jeff wouldn't have to come home having paid to see a shutout. I was not happy that the Chargers tied it up late, as self-interest took over. And Leon Washington's ensuing kick return is a play I remember all of, and none of.

Going into the game, I was talking to Robert about how few Seahawks I actually knew. I don't know if the total was limited to one hand, but it was definitely limited to two.

Leon Washington's on the list now. I don't remember the play for the runback. I remember the play for the running, and screaming, and hitting, and lifting, and being lifted, and hitting some more. My body remembers Leon Washington's second kick return better than my brain does. There's evidence everywhere. I just needed to wake up and look at my left arm to know that I wasn't just dreaming.

 The Seahawks, of course, held on. They held on just barely, but perhaps better than holding on with an easy four-and-out is holding on by surrendering every last inch and then snaring an interception. Ease is inversely related to response. The conclusion wasn't easy. The response was insane.

And then we left. One time, a few years ago, I was in San Francisco with a friend, and we'd gone to a Giants/Dodgers game. The Giants won, and as we left the park, a LET'S-GO-GI-ANTS chant built up and sustained for a good three minutes. I'd never seen that before, much less been a part of it. Yesterday, that changed. It was fucking weird to leave a stadium in Seattle and see people with smiles and pride.  

An easy angle to take here would be pointing out the difference in atmosphere between Safeco and Qwest. Qwest is regarded by many as one of the loudest venues in the nation. Safeco, on the other hand, is tame, coming to life only when prompted, or when Ichiro steps to the plate. By and large, these are the same people, aren't they? Why can't similar environments exist on either side of the street?

But that's too easy, I think. So easy that it would be incorrect and inappropriate to advance. There are too many differences. Too many differences in the fans and the attitudes, the game, and the scheduling to make one even remotely comparable to the other. Besides, Safeco can erupt. It's just had little reason to lately.

Qwest, though, is something else. There's no denying it. Though the game went well, the game didn't dictate the atmosphere like it might in other places. The atmosphere was almost independent. People were there to be loud and cheer on the Seahawks, and hopefully the Seahawks would win, but even if they didn't, the atmosphere would've been nuts. The Seahawks don't so much play home games as they do participate in 70,000 individual experiences.

I talk to Matthew about the Sounders sometimes. He isn't big into soccer, but he's big into the Sounders, and when I've pressed him on the issue, he's told me it's because of the crowd. Each game is like a two hour, coordinated venting of emotion. A person doesn't get many opportunities to vent. The Sounders provide them.

I understood what he was saying, but I didn't really get it until yesterday. I still don't love football, but a handful of hours was all the convincing I needed that I love the experience. One doesn't have to love everything about a game or a league to stick around as a fan. One can simply love a team because it provides what few things do.

The Seahawks and the NFL, I think, are back on my radar. And for that I have yesterday to thank.

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I'm glad you decided to write about this.

I was curious how you would feel about Qwest after being subjected to the atmosphere is Safeco this year.

by wetzelcoal on Sep 27, 2010 7:31 PM PDT reply actions  

I had my first Qwest experience last year and was blown away

Fortunately, like yours, mine included a ton of action, it came down to the final seconds, and the Hawks won.

Obviously a lot of the fun has to do with being “among your own.” I don’t enjoy Qualcomm because I’m usually rooting for the visitor. Being surrounded by like-minded fans in your own building is a blast in any sport, but maybe none more so than football (college or pro).

by Teej on Sep 27, 2010 7:34 PM PDT reply actions  

That was my first game as well.

It did indeed only go up. The Romo fumbled snap is probably my favorite in-stadium sports moment ever. But even though that was so amazing, I find myself having the biggest blast almost every time, even if they’ve yet to top the Romo moment. It’s impossible to go and not have fun

by BrettJMiller on Sep 27, 2010 7:50 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

That Romo fumble was my first game at Qwest.

That moment when it happened was just insane and something I’ll never forget.

by Hopefulmsfan on Sep 28, 2010 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

That is also my all time favorite Qwest moment.

I’m forever searching for something to give me the high that I felt at that moment. Naturally of course.

Okay.... I'm in.

by The Manchild on Sep 28, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't worry about that.

Yesterday is probably my favorite regular season game that I’ve ever attended but every game provides a different type of excitement. It was probably a lot closer to the regular season mean in terms of atmosphere than you realize but the peak(playoffs!) is still so so so so so much higher.

by Robert on Sep 27, 2010 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I remember when the Kingdome had that kind of raucous crowd after a Mariners game.

As for Safeco, I have lived away from the Seattle area for most of its existence. Having only been to a handful of Mariners games at Safeco, there is definitely a more subdued atmosphere as compared to the Kingdome. But then again, the Mariners have been mostly terrible outside of the first few years of Safeco’s history. I imagine those crowds will come back when the team becomes good again, like you mentioned in a recent post.

Welcome back to football!

by Wilder. on Sep 27, 2010 7:54 PM PDT reply actions  

It isn't even just being bad.

I think if you want a really crazy baseball atmosphere you need a baseball team that is good in an easily comprehensible way, by which i mean a team that hits a lot of dingers.

by wetzelcoal on Sep 27, 2010 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good point.

I guess what I was trying to get at is that its easier for a crowd to stay involved when there are dramatic emotional shifts in a game, like an interception in football or a home run in baseball. I don’t think most fans in any stadium would be on their feet cheering because a pitcher went 7 solid innings and kept the ball on the ground, even though that performance might have the same impact on win probability as a 3 run dinger.

by wetzelcoal on Sep 27, 2010 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Glad you Halas fun. Yesterday was one of the better games in a long time.

I haven’t heard Qwest be as loud as it was in the 4th quarter since probably 2007. It really was classic Qwest yesterday

by BrettJMiller on Sep 27, 2010 7:57 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

That's the Jeff Sullivan game summary I love so much.

I found your reaction to Super Bowl XL interesting. I understand your perspective, but the game had the opposite effect on me. Watching the team so blatantly get screwed only pulled me in more. As devastated as I felt after the game, knowing that the players could only be feeling worse made me care more about them than I ever did almost any Mariner.

All summer I attend Sounder matches, and I debate with Robert if being surrounded by ECS during exciting victories compares favorably to Seahawk games at Qwest. Maybe in some cases they do, but they’ve never compared to the game yesterday. Few sporting events can. It was everything I love about sports in a nutshell. It made me believe once again, and the level of excitement I felt would make an orgasm feel like a scratch.

by katal on Sep 27, 2010 8:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Great stuff, Jeff.

I haven’t been to Qwest yet, but Husky stadium in the first quarter was pretty intense last week. Not so much in the second half, but whatever.

"Oh, the usual. I bowl. Drive around. The occasional acid flashback."

by the other side on Sep 27, 2010 8:29 PM PDT reply actions  

You should make the trip some day, it's well worth it.

And Husky Stadium during the Apple Cup last year was insane the whole time, I mean just shaking.

by Hopefulmsfan on Sep 28, 2010 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I screamed my brains out for that game.

It was crazy, even with 10,000+ Nebraska fans trying to be quiet.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Sep 28, 2010 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Only place I've ever been to that's as intimidating as Qwest

I’ve been in Husky Stadium at its loudest, as well as ASU when the Cougs were there as a top 10 team in 1997 and the place was a sell out. Nothing really compares to Autzen (in the Pac-10, at least).

Husky Stadium is vastly overrated in my book. It’s loud, but with the track separating the crowd from the field … it’s just not the same as some other places. (And no, it’s not just because I’m a Coug. I grew up a Husky fan.)

by Jeff Nusser on Sep 28, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm sure Matthew and Robert have encouraged you to do so

but it’s worth seeing at least one regular season Sounders match at Qwest as well.

by BrianL on Sep 27, 2010 8:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Be sure to see the Sounders

It won’t top the Seahawks, but what they’ve found with the Sounders really is something special. Everyone stands the whole game, and the eruption before and after goals is unique to Seattle in North America. And the Sounders/Timbers rivalry is also something that can’t be found in the United States.

Baseball was my first love, but the Hawks and Sounders have made life bearable since the Ms stopped being relevant in 2004.

by Agent_J on Sep 27, 2010 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

You saw Metallica in concert?

In what century?
But for reals, great post. As a fledgling football fan myself, I’m left pondering the more profound effects of how much I enjoyed yesterday’s Seahawks game (and I listened on the radio!) as compared to how I feel about say, a random Mariners/White Sox outing.
It was way hardcore yesterday. It was awful satisfying. I wish it meant as much to me as a big time Mariners win would though.

by MarinerHousewife on Sep 27, 2010 8:37 PM PDT reply actions  

A single Mariners win will likely not give you the same high as a Seahawks win though

With just 16 games in an NFL season, every game really, really means something. Even though yesterday was just the 3rd game of the season, there was a great deal of importance to it. A single baseball game would almost never have that much importance attached to it, save for a playoff-deciding game (either a win-and-in playoff or a game 5/7).

That said, I also wish that the M’s put themselves in a position to be in those exciting games

by tootthekazoo on Sep 27, 2010 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's a big part of it

You can bundle all your sports-emotion into a once-a-week intense experience, and when it works out, it is AWESOME. It’s probably because I’m a Mariners fan, but I don’t have big expectations for the Seahawks. That means, when they win, it’s exhilarating in a very unique way. And if they lose, hey, I’ve already watched the M’s lose a HUNDRED TIMES in one season, so I’m pretty much numbed to losing.

by MarinerHousewife on Sep 27, 2010 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Raible is pretty cool to listen to.

I get spoiled by Niehaus but I prefer Raible to most other radio commentators I’ve heard. I keep thinking I’ll sync an internet feed with my TV so I can listen to Raible while seeing what he’s talking about. The dude absolutely exploded at the end of the game though (I did hear that sound-byte).

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Sep 28, 2010 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Glad you had fun Jeff.

Now we just need to get the NBA back to Seattle.

by bigtrain21 on Sep 27, 2010 8:47 PM PDT reply actions   7 recs

I feel the same way

I probably won’t support the NBA if it comes back unless we get our original team back and let’s face it, that isn’t going to happen. Anyway, I mainly wanted an excuse to post that gif of Kemp dunking that I made last night. I didn’t mean to hijack the thread or anything.

by bigtrain21 on Sep 27, 2010 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dead to me

I’ll watch an NBA game just as soon as David Stern is cold in his grave. If there’s a game that day. If not I’ll wait until the next season begins, and watch then…maybe.

by short on Sep 27, 2010 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I really have no previous football viewing experiences as I have never really liked football in the slightest

I went to a game in the Kingdome about 15 years ago and I went to a few Husky games in about 1987 but other than that I have never really given football a second thought.

by pdb on Sep 27, 2010 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't really care much about watching football for a long time.

Then I watched the 2005 SB season and was hooked. I hadn’t realized how awesome football could be. And going to a game at Qwest would make the exeperience that much more amazing.

by Hopefulmsfan on Sep 28, 2010 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

2005 NFC Championship was Loud as Hell

I was a season ticket holder for a couple years, so I’m familiar with how amazingly loud Qwest is on a game day. But for the NFC Championship the fans took it up still another notch and simply did NOT shut up the entire game. And still had a little bit of room for when something good actually happened.

The only blessing was that by the time the clock ran out and it was clear the ‘Hawks were going to the mother fucking SUPERBOWL!! there just wasn’t anywhere to go volume wise…otherwise I think the stadium would have collapsed, seriously harshing everyone’s buzz.

The only comparison was the Kingdome during the M’s ’95 playoff run. I have no idea how you make on open air stadium as loud as the Dome…but we did it.

by short on Sep 27, 2010 9:21 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Love it

I was there for the NFC Championship game, and the ‘95 game against the Yankees…aka Here Comes Junior. Those two games were two of the three loudest games I’ve ever heard, along with a Seattle Sounders v New York Cosmos NASL game the year we went to Soccer Bowl. I was really young then, and I distinctly remember being really scared that the place was going to collapse it was so loud.

For as shitty a venue as the Kingdome was, it deserves credit for enabling the fans to have an impact on the game. While the building is gone the attitude lives on.

by surfmonkey89 on Sep 27, 2010 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I still say the Kingdome games mid-80's were louder than Qwest, but that was due to the dome more than the crowd.

That being said the 2005 Championship was the first time I felt the stadium swaying under me. It was incredibly intense.

by Sec 108 on Sep 28, 2010 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

For the last few months I've been mentioning to friends that I've found that the perfect comparison to explain the differences between Qwest and Safeco is the walking into the stadium.

At Safeco you enter the stadium to a prerecorded message on a loop for 2 hours telling you everything that you aren’t allowed to do. When you enter Qwest you either have 67,000 fans screaming SEA! HAWKS! or you have a viciously drunk supporters group yelling out as many vulgar chants as they can think of.

Baseball might be more interesting than football (not to me though) but when the people at Qwest are treated like an actual member of the team, while the Mariners do their best to make Safeco feel like a convention center, the decision on where I should direct my emotional investment is incredibly easy.

by Robert on Sep 27, 2010 9:54 PM PDT reply actions   3 recs

The Mariners are trying to be family friendly

The Seahawks aren’t.

The big question is what crowd will show up when the Mariners are good again. My fear is that between the family friendly part and the sky-high ticket prices the crazy loud people will be priced out of the game and the fans won’t be much of a factor.

by surfmonkey89 on Sep 27, 2010 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Baseball is a much more mellow sport than football.

So I don’t think that, even if they won two World Series in a row, that the Mariner games would ever be as loud as Seahawks games. And not for the reasons you believe so.

by Coach Owens on Sep 27, 2010 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Baseball is more mellow than football, but that doesn't mean baseball crowds can't be rowdy.

Even ignoring the great crowds at Yankees and Red Sox games, check out the fans at a Phillies game. Those people are insane. That’s the type of place I’d like to watch a baseball game.

by Teej on Sep 27, 2010 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

ALCS clincher

If the Ms ever clinch the AL at home it will bring the house down.

We’re a repressed city just waiting to assplode :)

by surfmonkey89 on Sep 27, 2010 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

The one thing I miss about the Kingdome

is that everyone there was there to see baseball.

That place could get impossibly loud if the fans had something to cheer for.

by Poochie on Sep 27, 2010 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is what I miss.

I do not miss the stadium one bit. What I miss was the people and sadly many of them were priced out of Safeco.

by Sec 108 on Sep 28, 2010 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agree

Interestingly, and this just struck me now with all the juxtaposition of Safeco and Qwest and comparisons, but despite the obviously deep-rooted connections they now have in my brain, none of the particular emotions toward each stadium carries over to its corporate sponsor.

I adore Qwest Field. That translated into exactly nothing when it came time to pick an internet provider.

by Matthew on Sep 28, 2010 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

But you knew the company name and what services they provide

And had a positive connotation to the name, even if you didn’t choose them. Win for the sponsorship.

by lemonverbena on Sep 28, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is why I think the only thing I'd take exception to in Jeff's post

Is the notion that it’s largely the same people in both venues. I’d argue — pretty vigorously, I think — that’s actually not the case. Seahawks fans are a different group, and a different breed.

I think your point about the two franchises, Robert, is well taken. I got to go down on the field during pregame warmups as part of a VIP thing that they do for some season ticket holders. I’m constantly blown away by how first class the Seahawks are in everything they do, and felt compelled to tell one of their front office guys who was down there. We matter to the Seahawks. I’ve never truly felt that way about the Mariners.

The best way I can describe it is this: Leading up to the opener, I wasn’t all that excited. Lots of pessimism over where this season was headed. But then I got on the Sounder with the other fans, and then I walked to get a hot dog, and then I got in the stadium, and then I watched introductions, and then I watched the 12th Man flag go up (even if it was Chad Brown … I mean really — Chad Brown?) … and all of a sudden I remembered why I love it, why I keep buying season tickets even if they suck.

And lookie here: They don’t suck! (Yet, anyway.) Bonus!

by Jeff Nusser on Sep 28, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fantastic read.

Glad you enjoyed your experience.

FIRE CASEY "GUS" BRADLEY!

by Fearless Frog on Sep 27, 2010 10:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Hasselbeck might have seen Mrs. Jeff.
Hasselbeck complained of seeing Chargers jerseys in the stands Sunday. “Our fans are still amazing,” he said. “It’s probably that stupid ticket-exchange commercial.”

I may want him to retire, but I do love that man.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Sep 27, 2010 11:05 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Welcome (back) to our world.

There is no place on the planet like Qwest. There are no better sports writers than what we have in Seattle.

Thanks for validating what I feel but lack the eloquence to relay to others.

Okay.... I'm in.

by The Manchild on Sep 27, 2010 11:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Great post, Jeff.

I’m a Raider fan. I’ve only been to one game at the Coliseum. Afterward, I concluded that 75% of Raider fans are borderline disturbing people.

by flashbeak on Sep 28, 2010 1:30 AM PDT reply actions  

I teared...

for Josh Wilson…

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Sep 28, 2010 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

a safrmetric (?) question

I admit – I’m not a fan, although this whole experiential crowd orgasm thing is intriguing. And maybe now I will go to a Hawks game. But before I do, here’s an observations and a question or two that I’ve had for a while.

Last fall, I was forced to scrub off the moss and spend one month in State College, PA. It became quickly evident that watching the games there was not optional, as are Husky games here. I have lived here about 20 years now and I can count on one hand the number of times a stranger has asked me about the Huskies – but yet random people in state college were asking me about second-string Husky running backs. And you had to know what happened on Saturday just to make it through the weeks interactions. Waiting in line at the store it was common for a stranger to yell “goddamn that interception was awesome” and get everybody chattering. Watching the games was a survival skill in that town.

So I did – I watched three games, and it was fun. None were home games, so I didn’t get the crowd thing. But in each one of them, the outcome seemed so random. One came down to a endzone play of inches on the dragging foot on a diving reception. The umps seemed to have an undue influence with fairly subjective penalties. Lots of luck, plays called back, etc.. Not to take away from the obvious skill and effort involved, but it didn’t seem to me that the outcome of the contest was a fair representative of who was the best team on that day. much like an average baseball game. But that is why we play 162. Does 12 football games actually help decide who is good or not? I get that the point of the post is that it may not matter, but I’m curious.

by Astrobiology on Sep 28, 2010 8:11 AM PDT reply actions  

Sad but true

My first Seahawks game was the season opener in 1984 when Curt Warner was lost for the season.

by Suburban Shocker on Sep 28, 2010 12:06 PM PDT reply actions  

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