58-93, Game Thoughts
I tried. For 45 minutes, I sat, and I stared, and I paced, and I played chess, and I re-watched highlights, all in an effort to get my brain jump-started so I could come up with some way to adequately describe what I saw this afternoon. Nothing. Maybe I'm just not feeling as inspired as usual, but I just can't find the proper means of doing a game like this justice.
I mean, do you know how bad Jose Lopez has been this season? I feel like maybe you don't know. Maybe you don't check statistics. Maybe you used to check statistics, but long since gave up following the Mariners that closely. I couldn't blame you. Who could blame you? Perusing the 2010 Mariners' statistical record is an exercise in self-mutilation. You know damn well what you're in for when you do it. Even if you don't know exactly, you have a pretty good idea. Teams don't get to this team's position if the numbers are pretty.
So in case you hadn't checked Lopez's numbers lately, or in case you had checked Lopez's numbers but have become so numbed to the whole ordeal that they've lost their meaning, allow me to refresh your memory.
Jose Lopez came into action today with a .234/.264/.319 batting line. Among players with at least 500 plate appearances, that's the fourth-worst average, the worst OBP, and the fifth-worst slugging percentage. If you take a trip through Mariners history, you see that Lopez's OBP is better only than Todd Cruz's .246 in 1982 among regular players, and his OPS+ beats out only Brian Hunter's 46 in 1999. On the heels of what many considered a breakthrough 2009, Jose Lopez has had one of the very worst offensive seasons anyone in Seattle has ever seen.
One of the very worst. Jose Lopez hit 25 home runs a year ago. Before today, he hadn't hit one since August 16th. He posted a .610 OPS in the first half, and then followed that up by getting worse down the stretch. For as much effort as Lopez may put forth on a day-to-day basis, he's been completely helpless, and he's been helpless from the start. The numbers bear that out. Jose Lopez hasn't put up bad numbers. He's put up numbers so bad that, when you see them, you feel compelled to check if they're historic.
So that set the scene. That was the context. That was the context in which many of us approached this game irritated with Daren Brown because he was starting Jose Lopez over Matt Tuiasosopo or Matt Mangini. It wasn't just about the fact that Tui or Mangini may have a future here, while Lopez is two weeks away from having his Seattle career swim with the fishes. It was also about the fact that, why? What's the purpose? It's one thing to play veterans over kids because they're helping you win games, but what if they're helping you lose them? Then what's the point? What is it that you're trying to accomplish as the manager of a 57-93 baseball team when you start Jose Lopez and bat him #3?
I've seen bad players. Even though I didn't start liking the Mariners until 1992, and even though I didn't get to start watching them regularly until 2004, I've seen bad players. I've seen Scott Spiezio. I've seen Carl Everett. I've seen Wilson Valdez, I've seen Willie Bloomquist, and I've seen Jose Vidro. I've seen players who sucked and players who sucked harder, and 2010 Jose Lopez has been the worst of the worst. I'm not sure I've ever seen a player as bad as Jose Lopez has been over the past six months. I asked, why play him? Why play him now?
And Jose Lopez went out and hit three home runs.
There are things you could say about that. Funny things, and enlightening things. I can't find any of them. I just have the written equivalent of sitting with your mouth agape. Lopez's evening was a resounding ¿QUÉ? in a season of WHAT?, and if I'm ever able to make sense of it, I'm sure it won't happen until long after he's gone.
After his first home run, Lopez returned to the dugout with a smile on his face. After the second, the camera showed him joking around with other players. After the third, Felix was busting up where he stood, and Lopez circled the bases with an expression of triumph. In the post-game handshake line, Felix looked around before slapping Lopez on the ass, and as Lopez responded to Brad Adam during a celebratory interview, he didn't sound like a man who'd just had the weight of the world lifted from his shoulders. He sounded like a sweet, confident man who'd had a good game.
Maybe that's how it has to be when you're Jose Lopez. When you're struggling that bad, maybe you can't afford to carry your struggles over day after day. Maybe you need to wake up with confidence and attack every day like it's a new opportunity. Maybe you need to forget about the past and just focus on what lies ahead. Keep your numbers on your mind and you put too much stress on yourself to make them change.
I don't know. I know that, no matter Jose Lopez's perspective, and no matter his outlook, he just had the game of his life. He just had the game of his life when he could've gone 0-4 with four double plays without my batting an eyelash.
I'm not sure from whence this came, but, Jose Lopez - the day is yours. You won it. May you smile your smile to bed. Despite all these words, you've left me utterly speechless.
- The Blue Jays swung 52 times against David Pauley, and missed with 14. They swung 18 times against David Pauley's offspeed stuff, and missed with ten. For all intents and purposes, the Blue Jays are Wladimir Balentien. They're a team full of what people thought Wladimir Balentien would become. It's not dull, but it's probably a great deal more fun from far away than it is from up close.
- Michael Saunders only went 1-4, but that '1' was a long, 400+ foot home run to straightaway center on an outside fastball, and a few innings later he lined another outside fastball to Vernon Wells in center field. For one, it was good to see evidence that Saunders don't only have power to right. For two, it was good to see him drive two balls that weren't exactly located in his wheelhouse. I choose to see this game as a sign of development because I am an eternal, sunny optimist.
- The neat thing about having Chris Woodward in the lineup is that it gives you opportunities to go to the bathroom or see what's on other channels or what have you without having to wait until the end of the inning.
Phone: :ring:
Fan: Hello?
Girlfriend: Hey, do you have a minute?
Niehaus: ...grounds out, and that'll bring Chris Woodward to the plate.
Fan: I have a few. - The official attendance was recorded as 12,302, and I think three-quarters of them were fans from Japan who gave Ichiro a standing ovation for his eighth inning single.
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Jose Lopez's game today reminded me of the movie Rudy,
except nobody was chanting his name wanting to see him play
Fictionalized, sappy, and hated by Joe Montana?
To improve, they should try to become the musical southern cal of the west. - bRuins Nation poster on the Stanford band.
I knew the Game Thought(s) for tonight would be good, but this is my favorite of 2010.
“Lopez’s evening was a resounding ¿QUÉ? in a season of WHAT?, and if I’m ever able to make sense of it, I’m sure it won’t happen until long after he’s gone.”
Perfect.
Also, the look on Lopez’s face in the dugout after the third homer was pretty sublime and should be GIF’d for future usage, hopefully when someone has amazingly overachieved.
Milton Bradley apologist
by sanford_and_son on Sep 22, 2010 11:09 PM PDT reply actions
How appropriate that Neihaus' line starts with "...grounds out...".
Nothing else, except maybe “…pops out…” would make sense.
Because we’re rebels. Accurate, intelligent, introspective rebels. And damn proud of it my friend. - CapSea
One homer for every dead sibling.
Felix for breakfast! Mmmmmmm
by hcoguy on Sep 22, 2010 11:54 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
My Jose Lopez thought was, in a word: "So what?"
I was glad Saunders hit a HR though, especially something oter than pulling the ball. Sometimes hes gonna have to hit the ball where it’s pitched.
I want to see Greg Halman. I guess I expect him to miss change-ups by 2 feet..
But I’m kind of burned out. I haven’t seen a whole game for a while.
ignacio
Watching the Jays hitters on a regular basis is kind of strange.
They do hit a lot of homers. And other extra-base hits. They score a lot of runs.
Luke French last night threw 88 pitches over 7 innings. He lost the game, because he gave up some homeruns. But he wasn’t ever worked hard.
No pitcher who faces the Jays is ever worked hard. Sure, some of them have short nights after they give up 6 runs in n innings, but there’s hardly every any holding of runners or deep counts. There’s a bunch of 2-4 pitch at-bats that end with flyballs.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
I remember liking Chris Woodward when I first saw him couple years ago.
I also remember liking Lopez though. I still do, but it makes me sad to see anyone struggle with their job to this degree. :-(
The part that kills me is that he will probably go to the Royals do somewhat decent.
I will not post here and let you insult us like that.
I reply to your insult or using the words “Chris Woodward” which is like giving us the double finger in the blogosphere, with an even worse string of expletives:
BYRNES###KOTCHMAN#$$BRADLEY
And If that doesn’t put you in your place buddy _ GO SEAN WHITE YOURSELF.
Now stop, or I shall taunt you yet a second time.
The rumors of my demise have been greatly exaggerated
Just kidding
It’s a mystery to me how guys that looks so good in AAA turn into total jokes at the MLB level. Adam Moore comes to mind unfortunately. And even weirder are t.he guys who are kind of ok at AAA and come up and terrorize MLB pitching.
That’s what makes the game so interesting to me. It looks simple, but under the covers is super complicated. It’s like the calculus class out of all the sports.
The rumors of my demise have been greatly exaggerated
Lopez isn't going anywhere
The org. likes this guy cuz he’s a good doobie, and is just happy to be here. And he does whatever they tell him to do without complaining. This organization really likes that in a player. And my guess is he is a super super nice guy. A super nice guy that has swung and missed over a thousand sliders way off the plate. A disease that has also affected Guti. It’s a plague that rips through the Latin ballplayers. It’s gets started by the inability to walk your way out of Latin America to MLB. That’s a bigger issue that doesn’t get addressed until scouts start pressing the teams in the Dominican and Venezuela to teach patience at the plate (yeah right!)
He will be rewarded for making the move to third without bitching. And he can field the position. I’ve become a LOPEZ apologist!!! ARGGGGH!!!
How about this for a picker upper: He sucks less than Kotchman.
That didn’t work to cheer you guys up did it? I tried.
I don’t see anyone in the system that was prepared to play the hot corner defensively. And Lopez has been strangely durable. They must not think Ackley is ready to take over at 2nd and bump Friggins yet, or it would have happened by now. Ackley needs to go through a full spring training before he takes the job. Then he’ll probably be totally awesome.
Spring training will be interesting though. I’m holding out hope that we’ll see big improvements next year. Our starting pitching is really really good. I bet we’ll be able to trade a starter or two for some prospects. That’s been the smart thing about rolling Fister, Pauley and French out there. Laugh, but these guys are better than a lot of the crappy starters around the league. Dice-K, for example, sucks ass.
If they trade Vargas, I’ll kill myself. That would probably make you all happy anyway and the widow gets some great parting gifts.
Prediction time: Lopez option picked up. Ackley comes out of spring training at 2nd. Friggins goes back to third. Lopez platoons with Branyan at DH. I’m not sure that even sucks. A DH from the right side that can also field third without looking like a cripple.
OH MY GOD!! See how far my standards have a fallen? A well, baby steps.
The rumors of my demise have been greatly exaggerated
Sure he is.
Unless the team is willing to eat $10 million we already have a guy who can platoon at DH and play the field (admittedly not the infield) in Milton Bradley.
We also don’t need a guy in the system prepared to play third base defensively, we already have one on the major league roster starting at second base everynight.
I’d love to see Lopez bounce back with another team. He seems like a nice enough guy and by all accounts he works hard. He just doesn’t have a place on the team going forward.
No matter where you go, there you are.
Let's take this piece by piece, I guess.
The org. likes this guy cuz he’s a good doobie
We don’t know what the org thinks of him and deciding if and why they like him has no backing. Also, doobie?
He will be rewarded for making the move to third without bitching.
You don’t know this.
How about this for a picker upper: He sucks less than Kotchman.
Actually, no. Even with Loafie’s effort last night, Kotchman has been a better hitter this year. It’s incredible, it’s true, and it’s irrelevant. Comparing him to Kotch accomplishes nothing as Kotch will not be on the team next year and also sucks.
I don’t see anyone in the system that was prepared to play the hot corner defensively. And Lopez has been strangely durable.Figgins. Figgins plays third. Pretty well. Also, durability only matters if your good health keeps someone worse off the field.
Lopez platoons with Branyan at DH. I’m not sure that even sucks. A DH from the right side that can also field third without looking like a cripple.
Yes. That sucks a lot. Lopez is not a good hitter at third and taking away his glove and playing him at DH drops his value even lower. DHs don’t need to field. The point of the DH is to find a guy who can mash but can’t field. Loafie, as of right now, would be the second worst non-catching candidate for DH outside of Jack Wilson.
by abender20 on Sep 23, 2010 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
We shall see
Your arguments are totally correct. However, you expect the Mariners to makes their move rationally, like an actual baseball team. Their track record indicates that they in fact do not make moves most of the time based on an normal baseball wisdom.
Prepare to be pretty pissed off when they keep him. Bradley’s done, you’ll never see him on the field again. Injury settlement time.
The rumors of my demise have been greatly exaggerated
I am merely speculating
That they like him, since they play him almost everyday. You will be shocked, I say shocked! when they pick up his option. Then you will realize just how boned we are, and that the team is going to be loaded with place holders for the next several years.
The rumors of my demise have been greatly exaggerated
So you're just speculating?
Then don’t reply in three seperate posts defending your original premise with more sweeping statements about what’s going to happen with the team this off season. I’m not that much of a veteran around here, but I know enough to realize that the community generally frowns on definitive statements like “Bradley is done” without being able to back that up with something besides your opinion.
If you have a reasonable scenerio that keeps Lopez here and sees the trade of Figgins and the retirement of Bradley, please share with the group. A great example is Jeff’s post the other day about the possible reasons Lueke wasn’t called up. It went beyond simple speculation by digging deeper and providing reasonable answers to the question at hand.
If you want to offer bold, sports radio style predictions without anything to back it up there are probably better sites out there for you to post on.
No matter where you go, there you are.
You are also making one assumption
That Figgins is no longer a pariah, and will be back. Again, we shall see. I don’t expect to see him in a Mariner uniform after this year.
The rumors of my demise have been greatly exaggerated
Sometimes I wonder if Loafie realizes how bad he is at the plate, with most of the rest of them hitting like shit
That many crappy hitters in one line up might normalize the situation, he looks around and he’s got a lot of company.
Loafie has been reasonably good as recently as 2009 >:(
by seattlebruin on Sep 23, 2010 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm so sorry man, that has to be difficult.
It’s weird so many of these guys fell apart at the same time. This reminds me I keep meaning to look up Kotchman and see how he did against LH and RH pitching this year compared to his career numbers.
the Blue Jays are Wladimir Balentien
Well, I’m off to Bluebird Banter.
Go Jays!
I'm really trying to come up with better games from worse players, and I don't think I can do it.
Some would point to Virgil Trucks who, despite going 5-19 for a terrible Tigers team threw two no-hitters in 1952. But this is just a case that should’ve proven once and for all how stupid wins are… Trucks was good, but played on the 50s version of the 2010 Seattle Mariners.
Darnell Coles twice hit 3HRs in a game, but while Coles reminds me a lot of Lopez, he never had a full season this bad. He was as bad as Lopez at the time of his first 3 HR game with Pittsburgh, but despite a sub-.300 OBP, he finished closer to a .700 OPS and adjusting for league would push his wOBA way, way above Lopez’s. But on the morning of 9/30/87, Coles was hitting .192/.289/.333, so this is as close as I can get. For the young ones, Darnell Coles was a touted Mariners prospect who played some 3B. He hit very well in the high minors in his early 20s, but his MLB career was nothing to write home about.
Tuffy Rhodes maybe?
Homeruns in his first three at bats on opening day back in 1994 (off of Dwight Gooden). He ended his major league career with only 13. I know he has put up some monster numbers in Japan, but the guy had pretty terrible numbers for his career in MLB.
No matter where you go, there you are.
Good call. I guess it depends
on what we’re trying to measure. Clearly, Lopez isn’t the worst hitter to have hit 3 HRs. He MAY be the guy having the worst YEAR to hit 3 in a game. Rhodes was worse overall, but in that ’94 season he was less terrible.
It's getting hard to single out one cause of the collective suckfest.
Comparison’s are showing up that this is the worse offensive team , IN HISTORY, since the introduction of the DH. Literally the worst ever. A collective failure of biblical proportions.
You almost have to plan carefully to be this bad.
Do you think this is part of the strategic plan? Or is it a massive screw up and and indication that the GM has screwed the pooch?
Discuss, compare, and contrast.
The rumors of my demise have been greatly exaggerated

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