A Mariners Chart
by Jeff Sullivan on Sep 22, 2010 10:31 AM PDT
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Print| MORE WITH MORE | MORE WITH LESS |
| Felix Hernandez | Doug Fister |
| LESS WITH MORE | LESS WITH LESS |
| Brandon League | Casey Kotchman |
| SOMETHING WITH NOTHING | |
| Josh Wilson |
Area 1 makes for our heroes and MVPs. These are the players we celebrate and then soon thereafter begin to underrate and take for granted.
Area 2 includes our heartwarming underdog stories. We never take these players for granted and need regular convincing that their success is for real.
Area 3 includes players who frustrate fans to no end, even if they're helping, because they ought to be contributing more. People's distaste for these players is generally disproportionate to their contribution.
Area 4 includes the very worst players in baseball, but over time, if the struggles are real bad, these players will be somewhat overlooked as people realize it was silly to expect very much from them in the first place.
Area 5 is adorable.
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I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that this is just a baseline for what we should expect in each area.
Griffey, possibly Lopez, and E. Alfonso.
I would take that group 1 would include Ichiro, and at one point, Cliff Lee.
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
by beastwarking on Sep 22, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
If this were a Venn diagram, Ichiro would be at the intersection of all five sets.
He is more; he is less. He is everything; he is nothing.
No he would not.
Ichiro is more with more. He is nothing ‘less’ at all and you should be flogged for insinuating so.
by Matthew on Sep 22, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 8 recs
I think it was more of an Infinity, Alpha, Omega,
Something, Nothing, Zen type statement.
by ambrosia2112 on Sep 22, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes
I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh
This would be funny if it weren't horribly unfunny
by seattlebruin on Sep 22, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Way to stand up for the little guy.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Sep 22, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Wasn't trying to be funny
Just wanted to share my thoughts.
I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh
So you think that Ichiro doesn't try hard and thus hurts the team with his lack of effort
I have a neat place for you to go check out
by seattlebruin on Sep 22, 2010 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
No, I generally don't believe that
However, I think that there are times when Ichiro can realistically fall into any one of these pretend categories. He is incredibly unique in that he is probably the only person on the team that can. Besides, this ranking system (?) relies on an individual’s perception. In the first case, it was Jeff’s. In this case it’s mine. I think I’m entitled to that.
I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh
I think a case could be made here
I agree
I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh
So is RRS in the Less with More box still
or have we moved him into the Kotchzone?
by Eyebrows on Sep 22, 2010 10:43 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Same question with Lopez.
I’m inclined to say less with more, but screw Jose Lopez.
I go to law school. Therefore, I have no life.
by andrewgolfsalot on Sep 22, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
That's tough
I’d put him in the Kotchbox, but he’s got more less than Luke French.
by Jeff Sullivan on Sep 22, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
But now that it's abandoned, it is no longer among his More!
by Jeff Sullivan on Sep 22, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I think the argument is that he's doing more with less.
His slider’s no longer on HIS more, but by sort of bouncing along and not being horrific, does that qualify as more?
FIP sucks, but his ERA/tRA are better than last year.
He almost seems like he belongs in Something with Nothing, but he is objectively less adorable than Wilson.
Actively abandoning a tool that is very much available to him means he is less good than he could be.
French not throwing his slider is quite different than French not throwing a 100mph fastball.
Great chart. Now add time and Mariner fan cynicism!
Area 1 – only ends in tears. Yes, the journey was fun, but you have to be prepared for the inevitable.
Area 2 – Well that was fun while it lasted. Dave Fleming was once a ray of hope, and now, years later, we can see that that’s sort of hilarious and sad.
Area 3 – GOD DAMN IT.
Area 4 – Told you so.
Area 5 – Still adorable.
by marc w on Sep 22, 2010 10:48 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
NOTHING WITH SOMETHING
Jose Lopez
Area 6 is no longer adorable. Had enough time to make something of himself and blew it. Get out, get out, GET OUT!
I believe this should be called the Yunibox.
"Oh, the usual. I bowl. Drive around. The occasional acid flashback."
by the other side on Sep 22, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Jose Lopez isn't nothing
and what do you mean “no longer”? Area 6 doesn’t exist, you just made it up. It cannot no longer be something when it was never anything in the first place.
Then I clearly misunderstood the exercise.
As I was implying that Jose Lopez is something while doing nothing with it.
He does something.
2010 Jose Lopez isn’t, but he’s been an average MLB player more often than not and as recently as 2008-9.
I like the term "Kotchbox"
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Extrapolating this chart out to all-time Mariners, you'd get
1. Griffey (except the last two years)
2. Moyer
3. Yuni, Rey Quinones, or some other failed hyped prospect
4. Dave Valle or Willie Bloomquist
5. Alex Diaz
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