We Can Do Better
This could be a tweet, or this could be a book. I'm going to try to keep it shorter, but we'll see how that goes. I haven't completely thought this through, and I don't have an outline.
This is something that's been on my mind for a little while, now, but what spurred me to actually write up a post was the Mariners' firing of Carmen Fusco, and the ensuing fallout. After the news broke, a number of people jumped on the opportunity to write something critical of the M's upper management. I read a lot of what other people wrote - because I was curious, and because I wanted to see if I could get it straight in my own head. Sometimes people come up with explanations I hadn't considered. Sometimes they find details that I missed. It's important to read, and keep reading.
I read a lot of what other people wrote. What other good, smart people wrote. What a lot of good, smart people wrote was that the M's were being stupid, or hypocritical, or they shamefully scapegoated an innocent man. They wrote strong things. Forceful things. My favorite take, though, was Dave's at USSM. Not just because of the way he laid things out, but because of the way he wrapped it up. Dave's conclusion:
But, at the end of the day, we don’t really know what exactly went on. We weren’t there, and the only thing we have are statements made in self interest. So, we can speculate, but we have to acknowledge that’s all it is. Beware of conclusive statements – there simply isn’t enough in the public arena to build a foundation that would support dogmatic claims. It’s up to you who and what you want to believe. It’s up to you whether you want to root for Josh Lueke, or an organization that employs him. You can make your own choices about who is credible and what statements pass the smell test. I’ve got my theories, but that’s all they are. That’s all any of us have.
Hopefully Dave doesn't mind the extended blockquote. What about that paragraph stands out to you? To me, it's the expressed uncertainty. We don't really know. Beware of conclusive statements. Dave takes care to acknowledge the limitations of what we can know, when compared to what actually took place.
And we don't see enough of that. I'm talking here about the outsiders. New bloggers. Established bloggers. National journalists. I'm talking here about the people who cover baseball with little or limited access to individual teams. Including myself, of course. The people who cover baseball without being clued in on exactly how and why something took place.
There's a thing about the internet. To survive on the internet, you need a lot of readers. And you can get a lot of readers by making bold, critical statements. And so that's what you find. The Mariners are stupid. The Royals are stupid. The Mets are stupid. These aren't the only examples, but they're perhaps the easiest and most obvious ones. It trickles down to a smaller scale, though. This guy is the clear Cy Young. This guy's a terrible choice for MVP. This team's a fluke, this team's for real, this beat writer's a moron, this manager's retarded. So much is so absolute, and so assertive.
Which can be fine, sometimes. Early on, an outsider makes a choice. He can strive to be entertaining, or he can strive to be informative. An entertainer has more leeway. The standards for accuracy aren't as high. In the same way that a lot of the stories comedians tell on stage are made up, the entertainer's goal isn't to enlighten, but to get to the joke. If the joke's a good one, the veracity of the build-up isn't very important.
A lot of people, though, choose to be informative. Entertaining and informative, usually, but informative. And here it's imperative to keep a simple equation in mind:
Information > No information > Misinformation
For the informative writer, there's nothing worse - nothing more antithetic to the goal - than being wrong. I don't mean ending up wrong. We were all wrong about the 2010 Mariners, for example. I mean being wrong at the time. Being wrong immediately. Being wrong about something that just took place.
They say one of the leading indicators of intelligence and maturity is understanding how much you don't know. There are a lot of intelligent, mature outsiders writing on the internet, but in too many cases it seems like the principle hasn't made the transition. There is so much - so much - we don't know about what goes on. When you get your first bit of inside information, you think you've got it all figured out. Instead, that's just the tip of the iceberg. Baseball's a complicated game, and a complicated business. It's a business that often doesn't warrant the conclusive critiques it and its players receive.
Think back to 2007. Think back to all the debates we had over Raul Ibanez and Jose Guillen and Adam Jones and clubhouse chemistry. We were so certain we knew what we were talking about. We were so certain that the M's would be better off playing Jones, and that writers on the inside were making too much of their access in arguing otherwise. We were wrong. We weren't wrong to state the argument. We weren't wrong to support it. We were wrong to declare it. We didn't know what effect our plan would have. We didn't know how other players would respond. Worse, we fought against or ignored the people with access who had a better understanding of the situation. We didn't just argue from a perspective of limited knowledge. We argued against people with more, or at least as much.
We were so damn sure, when we shouldn't have been. That was our particular failing then, and it continues to be the outsider's greatest failing today. Keep Dave's post in mind. For any outsider who seeks to inform, that should be the template. Lay out what you know, lay out what you think makes sense, and acknowledge how much is unclear. Sometimes, you'll know more. Sometimes, you'll know less. In pretty much every instance, you'll know less than the person or team in question.
And it's for that reason that we shouldn't eschew uncertainty, but rather embrace it. Make eyes with it. Buy it a drink, take it home, and make little ambiguous babies with it. I know the great temptation on the internet - especially in the Twitter age - is to get in your virtual soundbite. To write the thing that gets the links, that gets the traffic, and that starts the discussion. And those are fine goals. Again, one needs those things to survive. But in achieving those goals, one shouldn't compromise his intentions. If one's intention is to be informative, he should inform with what he knows, and confess to what he doesn't. To do otherwise does everyone, at best, a disservice.
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I've been waiting years for posts like these.
I also <3 little ambiguous babies.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
Fantasmic
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
Well written and so true.
Everyone on the internet needs to read this.
Long time reader, first time commenter. This post right here is why I love LL. It’s not just the baseball analysis, which is top-notch, and the humor, which is also top-notch, it’s the good sense that it’s written with. Great post.
Please use a subject line in future posts.
Also, please post in the future.
Well put.
Certainly, there could be a lot less bluster and speculation dressed up as fact in sports reporting.
However, I think it’s also important to remember that sports journalism, and to a lesser extent sports analysis, is more entertainment than science and does not require the same level of rigor that an article in Nature or Foreign Policy does. It is dull to read a series of qualified statements. And if a writer forms an opinion based on limited facts which are buoyed by a knowledge of the game and a given organization, they have to commit themselves fully to that opinion or risk coming off as amateurish and uninformed.
Now, I’m not arguing against you here because what you’re saying is sound and prudent and rational. I just think that perhaps we needn’t be as orthodox as you suggest.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Sep 15, 2010 11:55 AM PDT reply actions
For sure, it ultimately doesn't matter as much with sports, or any outlet of entertainment
Sports and music don’t matter in the way that scientific journalism do. But entertainment is still important, and what we say can affect real lives – even those of the writers themselves, if they have notions of turning what they do into a career.
by Jeff Sullivan on Sep 15, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Writers at every level treat sports like a life-size video game
Sports is made up of actual people, organizations, cities and a shitload of money. The kind of professional integrity you describe would be of great benefit.
by lemonverbena on Sep 15, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Yet very few do it well.
Larry Stone is a gem for our quaint baseball town.
I sometimes find myself engaged in combat with hobos.
What if
Some of them just want to air their big dumb opinions, and have no hope or aspiration of breaking “news” or anything like it?
Christ, I would hope that nobody would take anything I would say anywhere seriously as anything other than my stupid, misinformed, emotional-about-baseball opinion….well, like the 5 people that read it, anyway….. :p
~Garrett Olson is my secret boyfriend~
Considering the lack of rigor in so much foreign policy analysis (and in all sorts of other fields), I think what Jeff's saying is really important and relevant to that too. It's a dilemma that's pretty inescable these days.
I meant the journal.
It’s pretty rigorous.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Sep 15, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
This is why this is the best sports blog.
Period.
"Oh, the usual. I bowl. Drive around. The occasional acid flashback."
by the other side on Sep 15, 2010 12:03 PM PDT reply actions
I can't recommend this post enough.
This is something that everyone, including myself, should always keep in mind.
Every single news agency should think about this before they report.
How many times has a national outcry occurred because an opinion was voiced without all the information? You nailed it; who needs all the facts when a shouted opinion brings in the revenue dollars.
by LonelyintheBleachers on Sep 15, 2010 1:04 PM PDT reply actions
This is wonderful, Jeff.
I can admit that I was wrong in saying (for at least an entire year) that Wlad Balentien would develop into a far better all-around player than Adam Jones, even likening Wlad to a young Eric Davis. Then again, I’m wrong a lot.
I sometimes find myself engaged in combat with hobos.
THIS USER HAS BEEN BANNED FROM LOOLOUT LANDING.
I sometimes find myself engaged in combat with hobos.
by kevin_ess on Sep 15, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Dude non chatspeak
LOLout Landing sounds like an awful blog
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Sep 15, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
It's a laugh riot!
Fucking fingers and motor skills.
I sometimes find myself engaged in combat with hobos.
This should be read by everyone on the interwebs everywhere.
I want to make little ambiguous babies with this article.
Karma police, arrest this man.
Yes, and I think readers are starting to get annoyed at wild speculation and conjecture as well.
It’s tempting to write like that, because it is what gets attention. But not all attention is good attention, and blogs like this with great content and great integrity are the ones that get people coming back for more.
Hubris
We were so damn sure, when we shouldn’t have been. That was our particular failing then, and it continues to be the outsider’s greatest failing today.
But hubris doesn’t only afflict outsiders. Insiders are equally susceptible.
Recognizing that I’m risking hubris myself, I believe that the most valuable lessons life teaches us is how little we really do know. So when we realize we know less than we thought, we actually know more than we did.
"Most all good Americans hate the Yankees. It is a value we cherish and pass on to our children like decency and democracy and the importance of a good breakfast." - William B. Mead
I agree that insiders aren't immune to the same problems
I just didn’t want to go in that direction.
by Jeff Sullivan on Sep 15, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Great post.
I appreciate when a person can make me reevaluate myself and the way I look at the world.
Thanks Jeff.
Definitely something for us new bloggers to keep in mind
Particularly in the age of SEO and getting the audience and numbers numbers numbers. It’s easy to get caught up in the momentum, but that’s not an excuse.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Sep 15, 2010 4:02 PM PDT reply actions
Ultimately, it comes down to hard work and the willingness to be honest
With luck, those qualities can sustain a strong readership base.
by Jeff Sullivan on Sep 15, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually, like everyone else, I really appreciate this post. I'm wondering something about the final two paragraphs, though.
Worse, we fought against or ignored the people with access who had a better understanding of the situation. We didn’t just argue from a perspective of limited knowledge. We argued against people with more, or at least as much.
The only two people I can think of who you might be referring to here are Geoff Baker and Mike Hargrove. They were the only two people at the time advocating starting the veterans over Jones (even Detecto, to my surprise, was on for board getting Jones in the lineup).
But did we really have any reason to think they were right? Baker was advocating for trading Jones for Dontrelle Willis at the time, while we all knew that Willis’s best days were long behind him. Did we really have much reason to trust Baker’s analysis?
As for Hargrove, considering that he never granted any interviews about the pros of playing Vidro versus the cons of playing Jones, trusting him on the issue would have just been an appeal to authority. That’s not effective analysis.
You’re right that in retrospect we were probably wrong about calling up Jones. At the time though, I feel like our thinking was correct. To conclude that we should have trusted those who thought otherwise seems like results based analysis.
Very astute,
but given everything that has transpired in the least three or four seasons, why choose just those?
I sometimes find myself engaged in combat with hobos.
I'm certainly not arguing that Geoff Baker is some sort of superior baseball analyst
He pretty clearly has his strengths and his drawbacks. All I’m saying is that we were too hasty to dismiss what he had to say on an issue into which he may have had some real insight. That Baker is bad at proposing trades doesn’t mean he’s bad at analyzing, say, the possible clubhouse effects of starting Jones over Ibanez.
by Jeff Sullivan on Sep 16, 2010 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions

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