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Quick Note On Michael Pineda

I know there's been some chatter about whether or not we can expect to see the Mariners' top pitching prospect come up in September, but the more I think about it, the more I doubt it, for these three reasons:

  1. Michael Pineda is working on an innings limit somewhere in the 140 range, and he's already thrown 126. Bear in mind that he only threw 47.1 innings a year ago. He is well on his way to getting shut down in a couple weeks.

  2. Less importantly, but still worth keeping in mind, the Rainiers appear likely to make the playoffs, and as little as we may care about the PCL postseason, teams generally don't like to piss their affiliates off.

  3. Calling up Pineda in September counts towards his service time. This wouldn't matter were Pineda to break camp with the M's next spring, but it would matter otherwise. Giving him days of service next month would delay the date on which they could call him up next season and still have 2017 covered under team control, and it would also delay the date on which they could call him up and not worry about his being a super two.

I know we'd all like to see Pineda in a Mariner uniform for ourselves so we can watch him take on big league hitters, but I don't think it's going to happen in September, nor do I think it would be worth it. Given his innings limit, the most he'd be expected to do is make a few brief appearances in relief, and there's no reason to get the service clock ticking so you can give a few innings to a talented arm in an irrelevant season.

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I expected a #4.

Maybe it’s just me, but it seems like Pineda’s been prone to that “one really bad inning” problem, where he’s cruising along and then everything falls apart. Is that just my perception, and/or is it not enough of an issue to prevent a call-up?

by Lanky on Aug 9, 2010 9:56 AM PDT reply actions  

Agreed

I don’t understand why they’d burn an option year and hinder their ability to keep him for an extra year just to get him…what, 5 innings in the majors? What’s the point?

by marc w on Aug 9, 2010 10:04 AM PDT reply actions  

Would they burn an option year?

Technically, if they put him on the 40-man so he could be with the Major League club for September, they wouldn’t be optioning him to the minors, right?

by nathaniel dawson on Aug 9, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, there would be no option year involved there.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Aug 9, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have a co-worker who keeps saying he needs to pitch this year for us.

Reason? We need to see if he can handle it.

I tried to actually explain how pitching in September means nothing, but now I just grunt and walk away.

by Sec 108 on Aug 9, 2010 10:33 AM PDT reply actions  

Good point on the playoffs.

Also, is it true that the Rainiers might be playing some of those playoff games at Safeco because of the Cheney renovations? How would that work?

by Matthew on Aug 9, 2010 11:49 AM PDT reply actions  

Kermit was talking about it yesterday in the gamethread.

Either they schedule around the Mariners being home or they do a sort of doubleheader setup where the Rainiers play first and then the Mariners do

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Aug 9, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am not 100% certain...

more like 65.8% certain, that being called up in September is not counted as service time.

by PLU Tim on Aug 9, 2010 12:37 PM PDT reply actions  

He was called up though.

I don’t believe it impacts when you’re eligible for arbitration and free agency.

Brett Anderson is the Truth. Brett Anderson is divine presence. Brett Anderson is eternal life. Brett Anderson is within you. Brett Anderson is here. Brett Anderson is Now.

by Frederick0220 on Aug 9, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

It does

Those days count as service time, and service time is what matters when it comes to determining super two and free agency status.

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2003/01/transactions-glossary.html

by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 9, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

That one month doesn't lead to a guy entering free agency/arbitration a year early, though.

A perfect example of this is Joe Mauer, who would have been a free agent after this year, had he not re-signed before this season.

His 35 games played in 2004 played no role on both his arbitration (I believe occurs after 3 full seasons, although I may be wrong) and free agency after 6 full seasons.

Brett Anderson is the Truth. Brett Anderson is divine presence. Brett Anderson is eternal life. Brett Anderson is within you. Brett Anderson is here. Brett Anderson is Now.

by Frederick0220 on Aug 9, 2010 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

And anyway, it's not like a guy could become a free agent 6 full seasons + 1 month into his career had he played one month as a Sept. call-up.

Obviously free agency and arbitration occurs after a season ends, not during it.

Brett Anderson is the Truth. Brett Anderson is divine presence. Brett Anderson is eternal life. Brett Anderson is within you. Brett Anderson is here. Brett Anderson is Now.

by Frederick0220 on Aug 9, 2010 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're assuming Pineda plays the entire 2011 season with the Mariners.

Not to mention that service time this season = service time that they have to hold him back in 2011 if they want to keep him for six+ seasons.

by Matthew on Aug 9, 2010 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's going to have to be put on the 40 man roster this winter, right?

I’m not sure of that, I don’t have a CBA lawyer handy to clarify. That would be another consideration if he doesn’t have to be placed there. They might not want to add him now if he doesn’t have to be on the 40-man during the offseason.

by nathaniel dawson on Aug 9, 2010 2:29 PM PDT reply actions  

He has to be on in the offseason.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Aug 9, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

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