25 for 25: Mariners
I'm actually a St. Louis Cardinals fan, but over the past few months I've been working on a roster for each franchise in the majors, composed of players over the last 25 years. The way this works is that I pick one player from each season and I have to fill out an entire roster (for AL teams, 2 catchers, 2 infielders at each position, 5 total outfielders, one designated hitter, 5 starting pitchers, 4 relievers)*. I can't take more than one player for each year, I have to take one player each season even in the bad years, and I can't use the same player for multiple positions or years. If a player played the majority of his games at one position, I can't use that season for another position even if he's played it before. And I used basic minimums of 60 innings or 250 PA's (prorated for strike seasons). I primarily utilized WAR from Baseball-Reference (Fangraphs numbers only go back to 2002), WARP1 from Baseball Prospectus, Win Shares, and OPS+/ERA+ to determine season value.
* I made a special exception for the Mariners. Because Edgar Martinez had 4 of the 5 best 3B seasons in the past 25 years (and your other options besides Adrian Beltre did not impress), I decided that the 2nd third baseman slot would be claimed by the Designated Hitter and a sixth Outfield slot would be added. It just makes sense given how much Edgar dominates both leaderboards.
The interesting part with this are the decisions that have to be made, whether it is, "Dang, there are some really nice outfielder seasons to choose from, who gets left out?", or, "Does this team even have two decent catchers in a 25-year span?", or, "This guy had so many great years - which one do I choose?" Sometimes a great year gets left out, sometimes a fluke, partial season gets tabbed for the team. I actually posted a fully researched extended version for the Cardinals from 1910 to 1934. The NL versions for this era are there as well (linky, linky, linky, linky).
You're welcome to pick apart my choices and make suggestions of your own. I'm looking forward to hearing from everybody.
C – Dan Wilson (1996), Kenji Johjima (2007)
1B – Alvin Davis (1988), John Olerud (2002)
2B – Harold Reynolds (1989), Bret Boone (2001)
3B – Adrian Beltre (2008)
SS – Omar Vizquel (1992), Alex Rodriguez (2000)
OF – Phil Bradley (1985), Jay Buhner (1993), Ken Griffey Jr. (1997), Mike Cameron (2003), Ichiro Suzuki (2004), Franklin Gutierrez (2009)
DH – Edgar Martinez (1995)
SP – Mark Langston (1987), Erik Hanson (1990), Randy Johnson (1994), Jamie Moyer (1999), Felix Hernandez (2005)
RP – Matt Young (1986), Bill Swift (1991), Mike Timlin (1998), J.J. Putz (2006)
Notable exceptions: Dave Valle (1993), Richie Sexson (2005), Jose Lopez (2008), Carlos Guillen (2001), Mark McLemore (2001), Dave Fleming (1992), Jeff Fassero (1997), Freddy Garcia (1999), Bill Risley (1994), Jeff Nelson (1995)
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I would like to apologize for picking Felix Hernandez
The choice to go with King Felix’s debut in 2005 at the tender age of 19 over his phenomenal 2009 campaign comes down to one choice: Raul Ibanez or Franklin Gutierrez. Rauuuuul (sometimes three, sometimes seven) does not fare well when measured by WAR and WARP1, so he does not compare kindly against the other outfielders. (Buhner doesn’t either but I was able to find something for him.) Gutierrez, though, had a stealth MVP-caliber campaign, buoyed mainly by great clutch hitting and spectacular defense. I thought it was important to get Franklin on the team, but I didn’t want to do it by leaving Felix off – 2005 gave me an out.
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
I think this is more systematic about it
and quite well done.
by The Ancient Mariner on Aug 28, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
This is a pretty good list.
Except that the answer to each position is “Griffey” and the year is "1997. "
...and now I'm here
by CapSea on Aug 27, 2010 11:13 PM PDT reply actions 9 recs
I forgot how awesome this is
And it cements my love for Junior as the most awesome baseball player of his generation.
I am going to come into your house at night and rec up the place.
Lopez is probably the next guy on the list at 2B after Boone
But if you pick him for 2008, you have to find a spot for Beltre because you don’t have anybody else to really fall back to, considering he’s the only third baseman on the roster (other than the DH-ing Martinez). So you look to his best season of 2006 and try to move J.J. Putz. Putz is probably your best reliever, so you would need to find a new home for him as well. His 2007 is great but you’ll need to replace Johjima, which is tough because your options at catcher aren’t good and almost all of them are claimed by much better players. You might go with Dave Valle behind the plate in 1988 (big dropoff), which moves Alvin Davis to 1989, replacing the vacancy created by Harold Reynolds.
This might work – you end up improving at 3B, RP & 1B, and take a big hit at catcher, but actually get little or no advantage at second. I thought Reynolds had the tie-breaker with his several years of good play, so that’s why I picked him over Lopez (plus I didn’t want to let go of Johjima at catcher).
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
Hes kidding.
It’s a running gag with seattlebruin that Jose Lopez is an okay baseball player. It’s a joke. He knows Jose Lopez is terrible at everything except being terrible.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Aug 28, 2010 6:15 AM PDT up reply actions
You gotta go with your strengths, man.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Aug 30, 2010 1:01 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm confused as to why someone would take Griffey from 97, and Johnson from '94, when they were so much better in the opposite year
Anyway, I’d go
Ichiro ’04, 9
Rodriguez ’00, 6
Griffey ’94, 8
Martinez ’95, DH
Olerud ’02, 3
Boone ’01, 4
Buhner ’96, 7
Johjima ’07, 2
Beltre ’08, 5
Rotation
Johnson ’97
Hernandez ’09
Moyer ’98
Langston ’87
Fleming ’92
Putz ’06
Soriano ’03
and the rest doesn’t matter so much

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