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He's signed a two year deal with Cleveland

We’ve got him for next year.

Oh hell yes.

by dba on Aug 21, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

One year+5 mil option

So we don’t, necessarily. But we may exercise the option, or we may decline and then resign him.

by Fuckmikereilly on Aug 21, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I may be wrong but I believe it is a mutual option

He does seem to like it here, so he may choose to exercise it after all. If he does, I’m all for keeping him on at that cost.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Aug 21, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

He hasn't really been great this season.

And he’s old. But I have hope that he wouldn’t be a black hole at DH, which would be a first in a long time.

by Fuckmikereilly on Aug 21, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's pretty much the same this year as last

except his K rate and BABIP are both down a bit. Last year he had a 129 wRC+, this year its 122.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Aug 21, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

He seems to be better than say ...

Griffey, Sweeney, Carp, Halman, Wilson, Mangini, Nelson, Everidge … for $5mil it seems like he is a good? quality? serviceable? affordable? option given the state of this team.

I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh

by HitKing69 on Aug 21, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

From my GM seat at home in front of the TV

I think it’s worth the risk if he makes it through the season unscathed.

I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh

by HitKing69 on Aug 21, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

But I can see other reasonable risks that will probably only cost a few million more on one year deals

Berkman, Vlad, Ordonez to name a few. Not sure if any of them would sign here, and they have the same concerns as Branyan (but have also been significantly more successful).

by Fuckmikereilly on Aug 21, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like Branyan, but I see no reason to pay him $5m on next year's team.

Then again, I wasn’t the biggest fan of trading for him, either.

The DH spot is another way to get young guys at-bats next year.

by Jeff Nye on Aug 21, 2010 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it is a good way to get young guys at-bats, but ...

the supposed top ten DH’s coming into the year:

1. Vlad Guerrero
2. Jason Kubel
3. David Ortiz
4. Nick Johnson
5. Hideki Matsui
6. Jose Guillen
7. Luke Scott
8. Jack Cust
9.Brett Wallace
10. Travis Hafner

Jason Kubel is the youngest among them … he is 28 years old. It’s not a young guy position and it doesn’t appear that any AL teams what to put a young guy in that position, nor do they want to.

I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh

by HitKing69 on Aug 21, 2010 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well of course a lot of the top ten DH's are going to be old

There are a bunch of old, defensively-challenged guys who can still provide offense for competing teams. Doesn’t mean the Mariners can’t put a young guy there, and plenty of teams have put young guys there in the past. What the rest of the league generally does should have no bearing on what we do. Also, Brett Wallace is 24.

That being said, I don’t know exactly who Jeff is thinking of when he says “get young guys at-bats.” Tui? Halman? I suppose it might be the smart thing to do later in the season if we’re not competing, but given that there is no one who is really pushing for those DH at-bats, I’d rather stick Branyan/random FA there at the beginning of the year to see if we surprisingly compete. If not, trade him or cut him and stick someone young there.

by Fuckmikereilly on Aug 22, 2010 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

I love Branyan

Does anyone have a gif or video of where the ball actually landed? MLB.com’s highlight doesn’t show it

by bamfor on Aug 21, 2010 2:12 PM PDT reply actions  

And just for clarification it's not 3rd anymore.

It’s titled “Russell Branyan hits a mammoth homer in the first” if someone can’t find it

by bomdal on Aug 21, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here's a direct link, I believe.

http://web.yesnetwork.com/media/video.jsp?affiliateId=facebook_share&content_id=11205979

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by joof on Aug 21, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Russel Branyan has 6 Home Runs in 10 games at Yankee Stadium.

Which would be on pace to hit 49 Homeruns at Yankee Stadium if he played half his games there.

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by joof on Aug 21, 2010 3:14 PM PDT reply actions  

And he doesn't even get to play against the Mariners

I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh

by HitKing69 on Aug 21, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

His ERA is in the mid threes.

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by joof on Aug 21, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

In fact, the only AL starter with an ERA below Felix's is Clay Bucholz.

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by joof on Aug 21, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought ERA didn't matter

or isn’t a true indicator of success … I swear I learned that here

I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh

by HitKing69 on Aug 21, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

It isn't. But Sportswriters are stupid and use it anyways.

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by joof on Aug 21, 2010 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

But we aren't sportswriters

If Felix really deserves the Cy Young, which I believe he is a solid candidate for, can’t we look at other measurements? Ones that we know are more indicative of achievements.

I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh

by HitKing69 on Aug 21, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pretty much this.

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by joof on Aug 21, 2010 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Though Felix has the third lowest FIP in the AL as well, at 3.02.

Cliff Lee has a 2.24, and Liriano has a 2.32. I wonder how much the difference in Innings pitched will affect people who vote for the reward.

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by joof on Aug 21, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Based on advanced stats or traditional?

Traditionally it’s pretty damn easy. His ERA is over half a run lower.

by Fuckmikereilly on Aug 21, 2010 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

One of the first results for the google search for this was an article about Felix. =(

Anyways, quote from the article.

No starting pitcher has ever been given the Cy Young with less than 15 victories (Fernando Valenzuela won his in the strike shortened 1981 season with 13 victories). No Cy Young Award has been given to a starting pitcher with a sub .500 record. Furthermore, no starting pitcher has even been a winner with a .500 record.

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by joof on Aug 21, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

How many starts does Felix have until the end of the season

Is it possible or realistically possible that he could get around 15 wins if we keep on winning his starts?

by C-Nage on Aug 21, 2010 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I will be surprised if he has more than 12

I think its going to Price unless something crazy happens. It is a shame that Felix would have to watch a less accomplished pitcher win it before him. Felix may have gotten more run support batting for himself instead of a DH. Wak should have invoked the home team rules during those starts…

by hcoguy on Aug 21, 2010 9:21 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

About 8.

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by joof on Aug 21, 2010 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

You can't use Google for national/international searches

The search looks at your IP and tailors results to the location . Do the same search in Texas/NY/Paris, and the results will be different everytime.

by Sirbunt on Aug 22, 2010 1:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

There we go

That’s what I’m talking about

I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh

by HitKing69 on Aug 21, 2010 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sportswriters aren't that stupid

They gave it to Greinke over Felix last year which was exactly right. If they give it to Felix over Lee it would be on account of innings pitched, which is important after all. Lee missed a month and Felix has been going deep into his starts at almost the same rate. It’s going to be interesting, since the three best pitchers all have low win totals. Liriano has an advantage on account of pitching for a contender all season but again, Greinke’s award and Felix’ second place last year suggests that it doesn’t count for as much as the MVP.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Aug 22, 2010 7:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think Buchholz really has a shot.

Too few innings and strikeouts

I’d guess Sabathia, Price, Lee, Felix are the front four, with maybes on Cahill, Wilson, Lester and Weaver. Obviously Liriano would be included in this group if we were using better statistics, but most sportswriters won’t use these as a primary means of evaluation. Right now, through the lens of a sportswriter, I’d guess they’re ranked:

1. Price
2. Sabathia
3. Lee
4. Felix

by Fuckmikereilly on Aug 21, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

So yeah, that Branyan home run in person.

Could not tell where it landed at all. And of course they didn’t show it again or give the distance. It’s too bad the game went to shit after that though.

by Mariner John on Aug 22, 2010 7:36 AM PDT reply actions  

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