48-73, Game Thought
Jen Mueller interviewed Matt Tuiasosopo for a little while after the game, and when asked about the team's focus right now, Tui, smiling, said that they have like 40 games left, and they're just trying to win as many as possible, and they're just trying to go out and do the best they can, and all that stuff. It was a very standard, professional, empty answer, but it did make me wonder: what do you think the morale is like in the clubhouse right now?
The Mariners are in last place, with one of the worst records of any team in baseball. We know that, earlier in the year, the clubhouse wasn't doing so hot, described as tumultuous at the best of times and toxic at the worst. The frustration of a disappointing year made up of a lot of disappointing individual seasons boiled over on a handful of occasions, and there was little in the way of respect being shown to the manager. About a month ago, if you'd have asked me which clubhouse had the most negative morale in the league, I probably would've picked out the Mariners.
But now? Now I wonder. Obviously, the manager has changed, as has much of the rest of the coaching staff. That change at the top kind of gave everyone something of a fresh start. The team's winning, too, having taken each of its last four series by a 2-1 margin. Winnings cures a number of ills, if it doesn't cure all of them.
On top of that, it's the middle of August, and what might've been frustrating a month or three ago might now be familiar. I'm not saying the Mariners are happy about where they are, but, by now, I imagine many of them may have come to terms with it and accepted what's gone on. A lot like us, in a way, only while our Tropic Of Cairo represents a thundering indifference, theirs may represent just going out and playing the game without worrying about the past. Frustration dulls.
And finally, there's been so much change. Not just among the coaching staff. The team now has Luke French. Garrett Olson. David Pauley. Chris Seddon. Jamey Wright. Chris Woodward. Matt Tuiasosopo. Michael Saunders and Josh Wilson are playing nearly every day. There are a lot of guys on this team who weren't here earlier, and there are a lot of guys on this team who have to go out there and bust their asses every day for the sake of carving out a career. That can change the attitude from what it might be were the roster kept largely intact. The games become exciting again. The games become meaningful. Gone are many of the reminders of the first half of the season. Now, it's more about the present, and it's more about the future. There's less time and less reason to dwell.
This is all total speculation on my part, if you haven't figured that out by yourself. I'm not in the clubhouse, and can't provide for you any firsthand information. But when I think it through, it makes sense to me, and it seems probable to me, and just the fact that I think this team might now have decent morale is kind of remarkable given where it was before. Morale may be impossible to predict, but it is by no means impossible to change.
Whether any of this really matters all that much in the end, I can't tell you. But now I have written a blog post that was at least in some small way related to this afternoon's baseball game. I did it!
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Speaking of clubhouse.
Apparently the players are more loose these days. At least, according to Shannon Drayer in Tuesday’s chat:
[Comment From FrankFrank: ]
Are the players still as excited and into it as they were in Cleveland? Seemed like last night there wasn’t an expectation that they could win.
While things may not have changed too much on the field I can tell you that behind the scenes, in the clubhouse they have. The guys are much looser in the clubhouse and actually look like they are enjoying being there now. Last night’s lack of enthusiasm that you saw may have been more the miserable conditions, the 90 plus and ridiculous humidity may have taken that extra hop out of their steps!
[Comment From Niki (BC)Niki (BC): ]
What’s the atmosphere in the clubhouse now that both Griff and Sweeney are gone?
It was rough. Definitely quieter, definitely a lot of guys going their separate ways more than doing things together. I think some guys needed a push here or there to get out and do extra work or things along those lines and that did not happen with those two gone. And of course a lot less hugs.
[Comment From DaniDani: ]
How has the clubhouse atmosphere been since the managerial switch? Any less tension?
Much less. It usually is after such switches.
Good on Tui
..he’s taken an inordinate amount of shit from us and, in some circles, he’s been scapegoated as a bigger contributor to this mess than is fair. He’s young, he’s working, and he’s growing. I don’t know if he can stick, but it’s great to see him hang in there.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
You may have explained why I can watch them again.
Not every game to be sure, some I’ve just had to tune out or not even turn on, but some have been fun again. The new cast of characters has helped me. I’m still thoroughly ticked that we wasted this season of Cliff Lee, but that’s baseball. I want to see the M’s win some more series. My attitude will likely change if we get swept by the Yankees, Sox and Twins, but I’m guessing the clubhouse morale may change too. Although if we can play well, even if we don’t win, and their morale stays positive the rest of the season may be tolerable. I’m hoping this happens because I love baseball.
Kinda off topic and not sure what to think about it
but Micah Owings got DFA’d. Not sure if I want him to pitch or hit though.
by Edgar for Pres on Aug 19, 2010 12:38 AM PDT reply actions
This is a little too off-topic for me to want in here
I believe Owings has come up in a few other threads over the last couple days.
by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 19, 2010 12:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Ok, didn't know.
Everybody just ignore this
by Edgar for Pres on Aug 19, 2010 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions
About the winning Jeff mentioned, please don't think that it's the about the coaches.
Z fired Wak after a brutal stretch of games facing strong teams (except the fucking and worthless Royals who whined to MLB and took away an Ichiro hit, days after it happened) and after the M’s won the series against the division leading Rangers.
Someone else posted this also, but I think it was on purpose (Z wanted to make Wak look bad). And no wonder we’re winning facing non-strong (being polite here since we suck too) teams like the A’s, Indians, and Orioles.
Don’t fall for Z’s somewhat sneaky calculations, please. The team suddenly hasn’t gotten better, even although we should expect some regression to the good, it’s just mainly that the teams we are playing are not as good.
Don't overdo the snark, it doesn't become you.
If you can’t see that our recent winning ways is significantly due to the fact that the teams we are playing are pretty bad, then I can’t help you.
And yeah, maybe I read too much into Z’s move, but I don’t think so.
The timing of the firing was strange.
If you can’t see that either, then we will never agree.
by NeighborTom2 on Aug 19, 2010 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions
My contention with your comment was not with the quality of opponent
It was with this:
Don’t fall for Z’s somewhat sneaky calculations, please.
Adthis:
but I think it was on purpose (Z wanted to make Wak look bad)<;/i>
Do you know Jack Z? Do you know his motivations? Are you privy to the inner workings of the Mariner front office? If the answer to any of those questions is no, then you have no business asserting what goes on inside his head, because you don’t know. The timing of the firing was strange, sure, but you can’t make a leap and ascribe it to motives that you know nothing about.
by pdb on Aug 19, 2010 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Obviously he's not referring to the fact that we've played shitty opponents lately
Don’t just fling wild accusations around when you have no evidence.
NeighborTom2, both your premise and your facts are wrong.
The only thing strange about the timing was that it did not happen a week before. It had been the topic of speculation for much of the previous month. It did not happen after a series win against the “division leading Rangers” but instead against the “fucking and worthless Royals”. Before that last series win the Mariners had not won a series in over a month dating back to a June 29 through July 1 series against the Yankees. They were not just losing to division leaders, they were loosing to everyone, including being swept by the Royals.
Yes, the teams we have played since the change have been bad, but at least we have won the series instead of losing them. It will be interesting to see how we do going forward against better opponents and that is due to the change in manager. There was not much interesting about July.
by Droid Rage on Aug 19, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Looks like Matthew was talking to Tom
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Aug 19, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Looks like you are correct.
I sometimes get confused as the responses get farther down from the original post. That is the reason I put the poster’s name in the subject line.
We haven't won a single series against the Texas Rangers and are currently 3-10 for the season.
And yes, you’re reading too much into Zduriencik’s timing of the managerial firing. Not to mention its intended purpose.

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