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What The Mariners Have In Matt Tuiasosopo

Okay, let's get this out of the way. The timing feels right.

  • Hitting for contact. Tuiasosopo has obviously had a strikeout problem in the bigs, but then, he's received only occasional playing time, and anyone who's ever played baseball will tell you that playing infrequently can mess with your rhythm. However, Tui hasn't demonstrated an ability to hit for a lot of contact with Tacoma, either, posting a contact rate in the mid-70s these last three years, which is a little below average. He shouldn't be thought of as a strikeout machine, but he isn't David Eckstein, either.

  • Hitting for power. Tui has 29 home runs and 84 extra-base hits over 945 trips to the plate in AAA. He definitely does have the ability to hit the ball out of the park, and he can do it to all fields. But he is not a power hitter, at least not in the classic sense. He can't hit the ball 475 feet, and he's not a guy who goes up there swinging from the heels. He's more of the line drive/gap-hitting sort, which shouldn't make people cringe as much as it does. Damn you, Jeff Cirillo.

  • Hitting with discipline. After drawing one walk per 10.6 trips to the plate his first year in AAA, Tui's jumped to one walk per 6.6 trips to the plate the last two years combined. Clearly, there's been some improvement, and though Tui's never going to turn into some kind of discipline monster like Bobby Abreu, he does have an idea of the strike zone. He's not a hacker.

  • Footspeed. Tui could beat an oven in a 100-yard dash, but for a guy with such an athletic reputation, he's not much for sprinting.

  • Defense. A lot of different components go into being a competent big league defender, so it might not be right of me to lump them all together, but the bottom line is that, while Tui's a hard worker, he doesn't provide much of a glove anywhere. He is in no way, shape, or form a possibility in the middle infield, and it's all he can do to not be a complete mess at third base. He's started to see some time in left field this year, but because of his footspeed, he'll forever be limited. 

So that about covers his skillset. What do you have when you put it all together? I know I'm not the first person to say this, but Matt Tuiasosopo and Mike Morse could practically be MLB twinsies. While Morse is a little taller, the build is along the same lines, and the assortments of tools are nearly identical. Neither can do very much in the field, but they both hit the ball the same. They hit the ball hard, and they hit it on a line. The ball looks the same when it comes off the bat, which is one of those things that's easy for me to visualize but difficult for me to convey. Of note is that Tui appears a bit more selective than Morse. Morse is a fairly aggressive hitter.

And Morse, of course, isn't a big league-quality regular, as he doesn't hit well enough to make up for his lack of a true defensive position. That's something a lot of the anti-Tui folk will point to. If Morse can't find a steady gig with the Mariners or the Nationals, what hope does Tui have?

The hope that Tui has comes from the fact that he's only 24 years old. No, he isn't special now. No, he isn't likely to ever quite blossom. He has, however, shown some development in his power, and he has shown some development in his patience, and it isn't completely impossible that he could put some things together. What if he keeps getting stronger? What if he builds on the 32/35 BB/K ratio he's posted this year with Tacoma? What if he starts making a little more contact?

Matt Tuiasosopo is still a prospect, and he's a prospect who's gathered very little playing time at the highest stage. He's a prospect with a low ceiling, but he's a prospect who could continue to develop, and for that reason I just don't understand the responses I see whenever he finds his way into a game. I know he's not much, but he isn't some total pile of crap, and it's worth giving him some kind of opportunity. What else are the Mariners supposed to do? As much as it pains me to say it, the team probably has more to gain by playing Tui than by playing Ryan Langerhans.

It's one thing to be skeptical of Tui's future career. I'm right there with you. It's quite another to rip on him at every chance, and accuse the manager of incompetence whenever he plays. Even if Tui tops out as a bat-first utility player, teams can use bat-first utility players. All I'm saying is, he has a chance. Until or unless his window here closes, we might as well hope for success.

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Great Game last night

But even after a 4 RBI night, he still has more errors on the season than RBIs.
2 at 3rd, 2 at SS, 1 at 2nd, 1 at first and 1 in LF.
Has anyone ever committed an error at every position in a year? Can we have something memorable from this season please??

Frye-lock and I'm on top rock you like a cop

by pklym on Aug 18, 2010 2:19 PM PDT reply actions  

way to go Tui

more RBIs than errors!

Frye-lock and I'm on top rock you like a cop

by pklym on Aug 18, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd like him more if they stopped dropping him in the middle infield.

He’s only had 8 games at SS/2B, but there it is. It doesn’t help that he reminds people of another bad body, bad fielding, but supposedly athletic, infielder we traded to the Royals.

by Drew_D on Aug 18, 2010 2:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Can we send him to the instuctional league to just play defense for a few weeks?

I feel like his defense was stunted by the aggressive promotion style of Bavasi’s regime. He switched positions and then was moved to AA far too soon. Playing catch up your whole career has to have some ramifications.

by Sec 108 on Aug 18, 2010 2:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Instructional league might be more useful though.

Set up game situations but just hit the ball to him 50 times in a row with no throws. Maybe since he made the show already he wouldn’t do it, but he needs something more than just a couple balls his way a game in winter ball.

by Sec 108 on Aug 18, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

For LF, you mean?

He’s had several years in the minors playing the infield, so I wouldn’t expect that winter ball or instructional league could teach him anything he doesn’t already know. If he went just to play the outfield, that could help. But I think there’s only so much juice you can squeeze from that onion. He just doesn’t have the speed to play the outfield well.

by nathaniel dawson on Aug 18, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

He has moved around a lot in the minors.

Started at SS. Went to 3rd. Then some time at 2nd. Then all over the place. I am not talking about outfield alone. My gut feeling only is that he got buried his first go at AA from a hitting standpoint that it may have stunted his development defensively. This guy was not a polished baseball player when drafted and I wonder if we have not done a good job of training him as an organization.

by Sec 108 on Aug 19, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't really have a problem with playing Tui.

I just would rather see it come at the expense of Lopez or Kotchman instead of Langerhans. Given his skillset though it seems like the best you could hope for from him is that he develops into a high OBP type DH/1B so why are we playing him over Langerhans in Left while letting two guys who have no future value with the team play the corners?

by wetzelcoal on Aug 18, 2010 2:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Tui isn't a good bet to ever hit well enough to justify a 1B or DH role.

Translating that famed athleticism into defensive versatility is the key to his usefulness.

by abender20 on Aug 18, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think that's what it boils down to with Tui.

I think we can safely say at this point that he’s never going to provide a team with much in the way of defensive value. He can at least play a few positions (sort of) passably well, and in today’s game of short benches, that has some value. But for him to be a full-time regular, he’s got to become a big-time hitter. Maybe he will — some players develop their bat later than others, so there’s still some hope for him to do that. I think what we’re likely to see is what Jeff suggested, a bat-first utility player. Sounds good for the National League, huh?

The problem for the Mariners in this situation is they have to make a decision this winter whether to keep him on the 25 man roster or move him. Does he provide more value than a Josh Wilson or a Jack Hannahan or a Ryan Langerhans? Is the hope that he could develop into a big-time hitter enough to keep him around?

by nathaniel dawson on Aug 18, 2010 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Per above, apparently Tui does have an option left

So they have another year to play around with him to see what he does.

by nathaniel dawson on Aug 18, 2010 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just don’t understand the responses I see whenever he finds his way into a game. I know he’s not much, but he isn’t some total pile of crap, and it’s worth giving him some kind of opportunity.

Bingo. That’s one thing that I never entirely understood about the LL hivemind tendency to jut rip on a player without end.

I’m glad you wrote this post in a positive and optimistic mode, Jeff.

My yoke is heavy.

by qrsouther on Aug 18, 2010 10:24 PM PDT reply actions  

I think it has alot to do with Tui becoming the new Willie Ballgame in many ways

My impression is that the sports radio fans are endlessly praising him for his huge Spring Training results and saying he just needs to play every day to be a very good player. The “LL hivemind” seems to rail against any sports radio misconceptions and roots against many of those players because the hivemind does not care for general fans’ hyperbole.

At least that’s my hyperbolic take on it.

by CMC_Stags on Aug 19, 2010 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree that it's not smart

I was just taking a stab at part of the motivation to rip Tui all the time (which I know I’ve fallen into from time to time).

Sometimes I think just about the only thing that the LL hivemind and Sports Radio fans seem to agree is that Rob Johnson can’t catch.

by CMC_Stags on Aug 19, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

There's that.

One thing that also might have happened somewhere along the line many months ago might have been one or two posts on the frontpage by Jeff or Matthew lightly criticizing Tuiasosopo and prompting a wave of commenters suddenly jumping on some kind of hate wagon when they didn’t even know they didn’t like the guy beforehand.

My yoke is heavy.

by qrsouther on Aug 19, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

If true, that's a little weird

If that’s truly happening, then the people who are doing this would be just as wrong as the people they rail against.

by nathaniel dawson on Aug 19, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

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