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This Has Not Been An Easy Day For Me

People have told me that true love is never smooth. That there will always be speedbumps, and that, when a couple truly loves one another, one of them will always rise to the challenge and fight to preserve the relationship. Other people have told me that love - real love - is easy. That it never feels like a chore or a burden, and that every day is bliss.

Cliff Lee's brief time in Seattle definitely fell in with the latter. Even given his injury, it was never a challenge. There were never any hurdles. Watching Cliff Lee was paradise. In that regard, as baseball players go, Lee kind of felt like my soul mate. Everything about him was perfect. Everything about his skillset, his performance, and his personality was exactly how I would design my perfect pitcher.

And now he's gone. Off to strengthen a division rival as the Rangers look to win their first-ever playoff series and compete for the title. Even if it's right to set free what you love in circumstances such as this, that doesn't make the right thing easy. Who cares if our relationship with Lee was headed for an inevitable end? A big part of me wanted to drag this son of a bitch out as long as possible. Every day that Cliff Lee wasn't traded was another day that Cliff Lee was a Seattle Mariner. He was one of the few things to make me genuinely happy about this team.

Alas, we knew a trade was coming eventually, and I suppose I should be thankful that this whole circus was limited to one single day. Granted, we've been dealing with rumors for weeks, but never rumors like today's. Never rumors like the ones to which I woke up. We didn't have to deal with days of hot rumors of Lee going to New York, days of hot rumors of talks falling apart, and days of hot rumors of Lee going to Texas. We knocked it all out in a handful of hours. The efficiency lessens the pain.

Now then. With everything we've heard throughout the day, there's a natural inclination to compare what the Mariners got from the Rangers to what the Mariners might have gotten from the Yankees. It's perfectly sensible. We had two and maybe three names from New York. We have four names from Texas. Why not see how the two packages stack up? Doing so allows the fan to do a fan's favorite thing - evaluate a decision made by his favorite team's front office. The first thing anyone wants to know about any team decision is whether it was good or bad, and today's events readily present an opportunity for such an assessment.

I'd encourage you to avoid that urge, though. Ignore it. I'm not saying it isn't interesting to compare the return the M's got to the return the M's might've gotten. But we just don't know the details. We don't know if there was more than we've been told. More importantly, we don't know the reasons behind the front office changing course. I mean, we know the reason was Justin Smoak, but we don't know what the FO thinks about Jesus Montero or any of the other guys. This is one scenario where you really, really ought to defer to the organization. It's one thing to talk about big league players with long big league track records. We know what those players are all about. But prospects? Jack Zduriencik and many of his assistants are renowned for their scouting prowess, and if they believe a certain thing about Montero, or Smoak, or Adams, or Beavan, or whoever, then who am I to disagree? I can have my opinions, but my opinions are worth less than theirs, because they are better informed. That's the end of it. If they prefer Smoak and the rest to Montero and the rest, I can question their call, but I'm in no position to say it was good or bad. This, of all things, is their strength.

So with that in mind, let's set aside any comparisons and just look at what the Mariners are bringing back. In return for Cliff Lee, Mark Lowe, and some money, the newest members of the organization are:

Justin Smoak

Smoak is a 23 year old switch-hitting first baseman with 275 plate appearances of Major League experience. The numbers aren't great, but they're fueled by a low BABIP, and more importantly, Smoak isn't a franchise cornerstone because of what he can do now. He's a franchise cornerstone because of what he could do in 2011 or 2014. That he's a switch-hitter is awesome. He's drawn walks everywhere, with a good eye and still a fairly advanced ability to make contact. He's an average to above-average defender in the field, meaning we don't have to talk about him as a DH. And the power is coming. You can look at the 17 minor league home runs and come away unimpressed, but he's young, he has the right body, he has the right swing, and he's already on a 17-home pace over 600 big league PAs. Potential is by definition never a guarantee, but he's a very good bet to end up an annual candidate to go deep 20-25 times while getting on base a ton and flashing a solid glove. Smoak's a special talent. What he lacks in unfathomable upside, he gains in certainty. There is very, very little chance that Justin Smoak doesn't succeed.

Blake Beavan

The secondary, lesser prize, Beavan's a 21 year old righty who just got promoted to AAA. Statistically, what you need to know is that, over 17 starts in AA, he walked just 2.8% of the batters he faced while striking out 15.7%. He hasn't generated many whiffs, but he's been very good about avoiding the free pass. Beyond the performance, the first thing you notice is that he's 6'7, meaning he's releasing the ball closer to the plate than the average pitcher. The former first round pick has undergone some organizationally-directed changes to his mechanics, and now works with a fastball in the 89-93 range, a changeup he likes, and a slider. He does have some groundball tendencies. It is worth noting that, since making 15 starts in AA a year ago, Beavan's strikeout rate at the same level in 2010 nearly doubled. Though young, Beavan is a "safe" bet to make the bigs as a back-of-the-rotation starter, and with continued development, he also has moderate upside. Not altogether very far away.

Josh Lueke

Let's just come right out and say it - Lueke has both a phenomenal minor league strikeout rate and one big off-the-field red flag. I don't know Josh Lueke. You don't know Josh Lueke. Please do not rush to judge Josh Lueke. Don't pretend like any of us has any understanding of the details of what happened that night. What we do know is that the righty reliever has just dominated this year with A-ball Hickory and AA-ball Frisco. He works primary off of a fastball in the mid-90s and a mid-80s slider, and he throws a splitter to keep lefties off balance. It's not a stretch to think that he could help the Mariners out of the bullpen next season, if not immediately.

Matt Lawson

The fourth piece is the least exciting, but though Lawson is a 24 year old with only decent numbers in AA, he isn't without his upside. He's capable of drawing a walk, he has a fair amount of power, and Baseball America last year called him the best defensive second baseman in the California League, an award that is supported by Lawson's numbers. His ceiling isn't very high, but he could rise quickly and has a shot at being a regular (albeit probably not here). More likely, he could turn into a utility guy. It's the defense that makes Lawson interesting.

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That's the package. In return, the Mariners gave up Lee - which we knew was coming - money - which I don't really care about - and Mark Lowe, who's out with a significant back injury and has two remaining years of team control. Lowe's inclusion is a surprise, but I've been waiting for him to get dealt for two years, and though his stuff is obviously dynamite, remember everything about reliever unpredictability. Who's going to be the better big league reliever next year: Lowe, or Lueke? Or Brian Sweeney? Who knows? Unless we're talking about someone truly elite, I don't think I'll ever shed much of a tear over losing an arm from the bullpen.

I'm not going to concern myself with whether or not the Mariners won or lost this trade. That doesn't interest me. It doesn't interest me whether the Rangers won or lost, either. They obviously surrendered one hell of a prospect, but then, Lee stands to help them more than he probably could've helped any other team in the bigs, and they've got a real shot at this. The Texas Rangers were already World Series contenders. Now they're World Series contenders with Cliff Lee. It's okay to sacrifice some future for the present when the present is as promising as it is for those guys.

Good for the Rangers. Bad for the Angels, who just got buried even more, and bad for the Yankees, who missed out on a chance to widen the gap to a level that's completely unfair. Allow me a minute to weep. Hmm. Something appears to be wrong with the waterworks.

As for the Mariners, this rare intra-divisional megatrade brought in good, long-term talent, and good, long-term talent is what a team in our position needs. It hurts. It does. You're never prepared to lose a guy like Cliff Lee, even when you know for absolute sure that the moment is coming. It's going to hurt to watch him in another uniform. A rival's uniform. But Smoak's a huge piece - far better than anything the team gave up to get Lee in the first place - and all in all, I'm probably about as happy as I could've been about a deal that sends Lee away. I'm not quite sure how the team's going to weave Smoak into the lineup around Milton Bradley, Russell Branyan, and Michael Saunders, but it's an exciting thing to wonder.

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It really, really sucks that we lost Cliff Lee

but now at least we can fall in love with Smoak’s DINGERS for the next six years.

by craig3410 on Jul 9, 2010 4:31 PM PDT reply actions  

I was thinking about saying that I genuinely loved Cliff Lee

but I couldn’t figure out how to make it sound not creepy.

by Matthew on Jul 9, 2010 4:33 PM PDT reply actions  

You're worried about creepy?

Here? Here where people routinely admit their latent gay tendencies by offer fellatio to whatever ball player performs well for them?

Oh go on. Creep us the hell out, Matthew. I think we can take it.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 9, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

How often does a team trade for one of your favorite players? For me personally, this was a dream come true.

I thought for sure we’d be getting a higher ceiling pitcher with him, but hey – I’ll take it. Cliff Lee for Justin Smoak is enough for me.

by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 9, 2010 4:34 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm in the same boat.

I made my peace with the fact that Cliff Lee was just a one season mercenary a long time ago, and while it was a joy to watch him pitch, I love this move.

by FairWeatherFred on Jul 9, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

So let's talk about first basemen.

Kotchman = Trade bait?
Branyan = Bradley insurance at DH for rest of the season and 2011? Or is he trade bait?
Carp = Trade bait? Probably an “extra” piece thrown in to whatever deal, just like he was when we got him.
Bnelson = AAAA fodder, who cares.
Limonta = Buried. Another “throw in” trade candidate?
Poythress = Couple of years away, but Smoak will still be here. DH candidate long term now or also trade bait?
Raben = DH candidate after his surgery, but if he and Poythress make life interesting, this could become a “problem”.

Everybody below that isn’t worth considering as they’re too far off right now. But we do have some others down there who may be blocked by Smoak as well.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 9, 2010 4:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Doubt it.

You don’t have to know anything to call back.

Plus, for all we know, Jack was basically ready to pull the trigger once he heard “Montero” and while they were hammering out details like Zack whatevethefuckhisnameisIdon’tcareanymore, Josh Daniels called up and said “Let’s talk about Justin Smoak.”

by philosofool on Jul 9, 2010 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

The mental image of Jack going "SQUEE" and waving his arms around makes the trade that much better.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 9, 2010 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's over now.

Go drink many beers.

"If for any reason you're not completely satisfied, I hate you."

by Thingray on Jul 9, 2010 4:35 PM PDT reply actions  

When I heard Smoak was in the works

I put a 2 and a half year old Barleywine that I made at my bachelor party in the fridge. It’s one of four remaining. I said I’d drink it today if we got Smoak.

I will be drinking world class, unique beer for this event.

by philosofool on Jul 9, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

YES

Have some.

Beer, its not just for breakfast anymore.

by Dougula on Jul 9, 2010 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

If it was to the Yankees,

I’d be at the Abbey right now, watching the game, out of my gourd, and probably sobbing every time Lee took the mound, waving my lighter around until they escorted me from the premises blubbering.

As it stands, I’m sober and having an enjoyable evening.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 9, 2010 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can't believe MLB pulled a trade involving six guys, all of them white.

Cliff, Mark, Justin, Blake, Josh and Matt? It’s an AL West Boy Band

by Matthew on Jul 9, 2010 4:37 PM PDT reply actions   7 recs

Reverse busing.

The league realized the Mariners are already high on the hog with ethnicity, so they decided to shove some “minorities” on us.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 9, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmm.. I don't have a good feeling about this.

Considering that he’s going to go yard about 30 times a season, that’s 30 times in a game thread that people will have to avoid it. I’ll happily yell “sex” or “sexual explosion” or “God, that is so hot” but that’s just me.

by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 9, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sex is what you yell for a smoak homerun from now on?

Or boom goes the dynamite?

…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell

by Marinerfanjake on Jul 9, 2010 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm going to be yelling a lot of things for Smoak homers.

“Wow that is the sexiest thing I’ve ever seen!”
“I am so horny from watching that sex-blast”
“I’m so hot from that, I’m questioning myself. Dear God, I’m questioning my own sexuality from a home run, what is wrong with me? I can’t stop, I can’t stop!”
and “Home run!”

by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 9, 2010 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

What about

“I FUZCKING LOVE YOU CLIFF LEE!!!!”

Every time you masturbate... God kills a kitten? Fuck kittens.

by Matt Erickson on Jul 10, 2010 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Goddammit.

See, I love him so much his initial is randomly sneaking into my typing.

Every time you masturbate... God kills a kitten? Fuck kittens.

by Matt Erickson on Jul 10, 2010 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Does refering to him as "The Smoak Monster" count?

Because that’s a nickname, not a pun, but I could see it construed as a pun.

by SethGrandpa on Jul 9, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

It seems like a pun to me, though I love the nickname.

Technically the name is “Smoke Monster” from the ABC hit television show L O S T. Because that has now been changed to “Smoak Monster” you are changing the spelling of the word to create the same sound but with a different context. If you were to say “Smoak on the water” this would be the same.

PS – don’t take this as me being a dick, just fucking around.

by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 9, 2010 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I tend to agree

I guess I just think it’s a silly Rule, as opposed to a ‘this meme is dead’-style no one thinks it’s funny situation. Those seem to take care of themselves around here. If no one laughs at the joke, people stop making it.

by Snuffleupagus on Jul 9, 2010 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

It takes a kind of amazing cleverness to make a pun appreciated.

Most of these are just too easy and, thus, not funny. I guess the point is, if your five year old can come up with it, it’s not funny. Otherwise, funny!

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 9, 2010 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

That Yankees offer sure went up in

airborne particles emitted during pyrolysis.

by FlaskInSafeco on Jul 9, 2010 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

I hope I haven't come off as too negative since I woke up from my ill-timed nap

Even assuming we know everything, which Jeff is right that we might not; the difference between the Yankees and Rangers packages isn’t huge, and we still significantly improved the organization going forward.

by Jeff Nye on Jul 9, 2010 4:40 PM PDT reply actions  

If 710 podcasts the hour, there is an extended interview with Zduriencik from after the press-conference that is interesting

including his off-hand remark about talking with Lee’s agent before the season to see what parameters they were thinking of … apparently very large parameters.

by msb on Jul 9, 2010 4:42 PM PDT reply actions  

He mentioned that in the televised presser too.

He tried to dodge it without revealing too much and without making Lee look bad. Jack Z is a good person.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 9, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

So Cliff, we want you to give up on free agency and control of you life after you got dicked around.... how much?

Cliff : $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

by brokejumper on Jul 9, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

He always gave me the impression that he thought Philly did him wrong with the contract negotiations

Listening to the interview today really brought home how much he is going to enjoy deciding where he goes.

by brokejumper on Jul 9, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's been passed around the league like a cheap joint

I’m hoping he finds somewhere he can be happy and stay for a while, as long as that isn’t Texas.

by Jeff Nye on Jul 9, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I am glad he didn’t land in NY. I wouldn’t want them to have the chance to brain-wash him into wanting to sign there at the end of the season.

by d0nkey on Jul 9, 2010 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

The only thing I didn't like about this deal

I wish they waited about 2 more days just so Cliff could have beaten the Yanks one more time in an M’s uniform.

by Henry H on Jul 9, 2010 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not concerned with who would have been the better pickup, Montero or Smoak.

I’m just glad we got a truly elite prospect in return. My biggest fear was getting a quantity over quality package or a couple “B” prospects.

by JonBBT on Jul 9, 2010 4:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Congrats to the M's,

i hope you love Smoak as much as i did.

And perhaps it will please you to know instead of enjoying the Rangers game tonight i will be drying the tears of my 6 and 4 y/o girls b/c Smoak is gone.

"My expectations today are that we're going to be extremely competitive and if we don't win our division, I'll be disappointed." Nolan Ryan

by red3biggs on Jul 9, 2010 5:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Cried when Jose Cruz Jr. was dealt

And then promptly bought up every baseball card of his I could find.

by seattlesundevil on Jul 9, 2010 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fuck that trade.

Even with Jose Cruz Jr. not being that awesome, terrible fucking trade.

by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 9, 2010 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just heard a Cliff Lee commerical on 710 espn

…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell

by Marinerfanjake on Jul 9, 2010 5:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Lueke "tweeted" that he is going to the Mariners

Everyone needs to follow him.

…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell

by Marinerfanjake on Jul 9, 2010 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think we'll be seeing many rape jokes. We may joke about larger, public tragedies sometimes (9/11, Utah miners, the Holocaust) because we're mocking the emotional exploitation of those events.

Rape, though, relentlessly, horrifyingly personal and many (perhaps even most) of its victims around the world suffer in silence, shame, or worse because of it.

by Decatur on Jul 10, 2010 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Aside from the prospects, which seem like a great haul, I'm also pleased this should put the final nail in the coffin for the Angels hopes this season. :-)

Hard to lose Lee, but all things considered, I’m happy about this. Also, it doesn’t seem likely the Rangers will have the money to keep Lee, so he’ll probably still hit the free agent market. Had he gone to the Yankees, that might have not been the case. So at least the M’s still have a modicum of a chance to re-sign him.
 
“1 in a million”, “so you’re saying there’s a chance!” :-)

by TIFO on Jul 9, 2010 5:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Hell, it might've been Cliff's choice to go to the Rangers

Maybe the FO said that the packages were basically similar and they gave him the choice of whether to go to New York or Arlington.

Maybe he was a Rangers fan growing up; I forgot how close Benton was to Dallas.

by craig3410 on Jul 9, 2010 5:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, I probably am.

I just didn’t realize how close Dallas was to his hometown.

Hell, I didn’t realize how close I was; I’m in the NW corner. Might have to take a trip down to see him.

by craig3410 on Jul 9, 2010 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is still something interesting to all this.

Larry Stone pointed out earlier that he had a hard time believing the Mariners would pass on the Yankee deal just because someone’s ankle was a problem. Obviously the last minute addition of Smoak to the Ranger deal is what made Z change his mind.

So we basically have two possible truths:

1). Z really really really really likes Smoak. More than Montero.

2). Z really really really really didn’t want to deal Lee to New York.

Could be both I guess, but since there wasn’t a better deal, he had to deal with the Evil Empire. Thank God Daniels caved.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 9, 2010 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like the explanation #3,

where the packages are similar, but the Texas deal does more long-term damage to a division foe.

by FlaskInSafeco on Jul 9, 2010 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

You guys can have this now

I made this a couple months ago. I’m sad I wont get to use it anymore.

"There's really no way of knowing... Sometimes when I see their big eyes looking up from my lap I think, that's definitely a homeless guy in a fur coat." Betty White on SNL

by Pocket Ninja on Jul 9, 2010 5:20 PM PDT reply actions   5 recs

WOW!

THAT’S A BIG GIF!

(smaller please)

And oh goodness… more puns? You just scrolled straight to the bottom, didn’t you?

by seattlesundevil on Jul 9, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah it took me like a week to come up with it.

Sittin’ out at my ranch with my big boots on.

I must be high.

Y’all take care now. Ya hear?

"There's really no way of knowing... Sometimes when I see their big eyes looking up from my lap I think, that's definitely a homeless guy in a fur coat." Betty White on SNL

by Pocket Ninja on Jul 9, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was taking a shot at myself

As in, “yeah what a stretch of the imagination”………The video editing did take me a while though.

"There's really no way of knowing... Sometimes when I see their big eyes looking up from my lap I think, that's definitely a homeless guy in a fur coat." Betty White on SNL

by Pocket Ninja on Jul 9, 2010 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Horse monkey?

Thats a new one.

According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.

by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

x

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Jul 9, 2010 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh shit.

It looks douchey.

According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.

by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

After he was drafted he said

That his slider was the best slider he had ever seen

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Jul 9, 2010 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

yep

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Jul 9, 2010 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

x
He gained some notoriety immediately after his selection for saying that his slider was the “filthiest” he’d ever seen, and that he could “do just as bad as them,” referring to a Rangers rotation that was arguably the worst in baseball at the time.

link

by JonBBT on Jul 9, 2010 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

You took Justin Smoak away from me :(

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Jul 9, 2010 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

A dude that was drafted this year still has a Myspace?

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Jul 9, 2010 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I believe the newest market inefficiency is checking up on potential draftees' Facebooks.

I wonder if a team’s ever planned to draft a player, saw what they put on their MySpace/Facebook/etc., and then gone “Nope, we don’t need this”?

by craig3410 on Jul 9, 2010 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd be blown away if most teams weren't doing this on some level.

It has to be part of the scouting process. Particularly in baseball, where makeup is so important and teams are trying to make sure they find any red flags. Whether or not it’s fair to judge someone that way . . . eh, that’s a discussion for another time/place. But I have to imagine teams look at stuff like that at some point.

by Teej on Jul 9, 2010 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think a red flag is having a Myspace page as an 18 year old male.

Dissenting opinions are welcome, and should be encouraged, at Lookout Landing. -LL Style Guide

by MT Olson on Jul 9, 2010 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Two years ago?

Didn’t we just draft him? Myspace is not a big thing anymore.

Dissenting opinions are welcome, and should be encouraged, at Lookout Landing. -LL Style Guide

by MT Olson on Jul 9, 2010 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

So I kinda wanted the trade with the yankees to go through,

Just so it could be said that the only person worth trading Cliff Lee for was Jesus. But now I’ll just have to settle for a Justin Smoak, better than Jesus motto.

by themanleyman on Jul 9, 2010 6:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Quotes from the Seattle Mariners Facebook fan page for your amusement:

“No they traded Lee to the TexAsss rangers for a looser named Smoak hence blowing smoak up are ARS!”

“wow how dumb can yall be…every talent weve had in seattle weve traded away…so we fans shouldnt be surprised! this is classic mariner baseball! griffey, a-rod, randy johnson, cliff lee, dont be surprised if ichiro os gone next year!”

“Why would we trade Lee to a team in our own division?!?!?”

“Can’t wait for the guy batting just .209 with 8 HRs to join the club.”

“Why trade Lee to the best AL west team? So we can never win?”

“Are you serious johnno? It was idiotic stupid we need to keep our good players he’s the best player that was on our team and the best pitcher in the MLB stupid so stupid we did that "

by flashbeak on Jul 9, 2010 6:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Holy fucking shit.

I read about 5 comments from the page and almost killed someone. Are Mariner fans this ignorant? Damn

According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.

by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is the main thing I have learned from today

Mariners fans are dumb beyond belief.

I try really hard to underestimate baseball fans when thinking about a lot of baseball issues (broadcasters use of ERA – PR moves etc.). But Imade the mistake of listening to talk radio today, and wow. My brain hurts. If it weren’t for LL and USSMariner, today would be a horribly depressing day.

by Snuffleupagus on Jul 9, 2010 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep.

My personal fave was one on Yahoo blogs where a fan was pissed off that we did not get Hamilton and Vlad for Lee. He’s gonna boycott the M’s now…

by Henry H on Jul 9, 2010 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

It isn't just Mariner fans.

there are a lot of scarily stupid people in the world.

by msb on Jul 9, 2010 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would have had this line of thinking when i was 18 maybe.

The scary part is that most of these fans are much older than that and never grow out of it.

by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 9, 2010 8:00 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I just watched the King 5 report on Lee

Jesus fuck what the fuck is wrong with Mariners fans.
“We need to win, we need Lee”
“Why are we trading Lee, he’s good. We should trade Brandon League, he’s pitching bad”

by Brian Floyd on Jul 9, 2010 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's one reason why I don't follow the M's on Facebook.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 9, 2010 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I really feel bad for the front office

They have to try to appeal to dumbfucks like this.

Every time you masturbate... God kills a kitten? Fuck kittens.

by Matt Erickson on Jul 10, 2010 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Congrats Mariner fans

Heck of a trade. Smoak is better then his numbers. If Beavan can add a cutter he could be an effective ML pitcher sort of similar to Tommy Hunter. Lueke and Lawson were probably throw ins to compensate for the two draft picks. Also, I believe Lueke is a sidearmer.

by RangerMad on Jul 9, 2010 6:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Lueke isn't a sidearmer

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Jul 9, 2010 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lueke isn't a throw-in

He’s quite capable of becoming a solid ML reliever.

Karma police, arrest this man.

by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't really understand the whole 'heart ripped from my chest' sentiment

I mean, Lee was a Mariner for 13 starts. They were 11 or 12 of the best starts anyone has ever seen (the San Diego game was an interesting anomaly all around), but did anyone really emotionally invest in Cliff Lee being a Mariner? Really? Even if this team was performing as planned, there’s probably an 80% chance he’d have been packing his bags three-ish months from now anyway. Lee’s a great pitcher, obviously, and if the team had kept him they might win 75 games this year instead of 70 (or whatever). I just don’t quite get the heartbreak that’s coming with this trade, like it was Felix or something. I’m sorry if I sound like a callous bitch (I probably do), but I just don’t see why Lee leaving is such a big deal.

by Aly Edge on Jul 9, 2010 10:51 PM PDT reply actions  

He wasn't a Mariner for very long

I wasn’t as emotionally attached as some, but that being said, he did just about everything right when he was here. He pitched out of his mind, took leadership in a clubhouse, and invested in a team he knew he wasn’t a long-term part of.

Also, pitchers have pitched better than Lee has this year (not MUCH better, mind you). That being said, a pitcher like Cliff Lee in his current form is more rare than a Felix or a Lincecum. He pitched in a way that I’ve never consistently witnessed before. He hit his spots better than anyone since Greg Maddux in his prime.

by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 9, 2010 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I never fell completely in love with him simply because I knew he was a rental,

but for fuck’s sake he was the closest thing to a perfect pitcher that we can ever expect out of any human being over half a season. And he did it in a smile on his face and a Mariners jersey on his back. It’s tough to give up on that, but I think everyone here understood that it had to happen.

by Teej on Jul 9, 2010 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Watching someone pitch so well, you realize you're witnessing something rare.

It’s tough not to get caught up in it. I fell for Cliff Lee and my love will follow him wherever he goes.

by Hopefulmsfan on Jul 10, 2010 2:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

I will miss Mark Lowe as well.

If only he had stayed healthy, he could’ve been so good with us. I do hope he recovers and pitches well in Texas, just not against us.

by Hopefulmsfan on Jul 10, 2010 2:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

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