Those Poor, Poor New York Yankees
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 9, 2010 2:56 PM PDT
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Print#Yankees livid with #Mariners. Believed they had deal, then M's took it to #Rangers saying put Smoak in and Lee is yours... #MLB
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#Rangers jumped. Adams' ankle injury was excuse for M's to back out. "You just don't do business that way," one Yankee official said. #MLB
Yankees sign David Wells
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The team formally announced the signing of left-hander David Wells to a $7 million, two-year contract.
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Diamondbacks owner Jerry Colangelo, who had a handshake agreement with Wells three weeks ago, called the pitcher's explanation for backing out "wishy-washy."
Business is business, and nothing's ever done until there's ink down on paper. Deal with it.
I'm just so dreadfully sorry that you have to live with Javier Vazquez as your #5 starter. Life isn't fair.
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AL West high five.
Enemy of my enemies and what not…
Suck it, Yankee motherbitches. Suck it hard.
Great play, M’s, using them to draw out Smoak.
I think Michael Scott calls this a win-win-win-(win).
by Rangers100 on Jul 9, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why you hate the Yankees? I would think strengthening the Rangers is worse than
strengthening the Yankees from the Mariners perspective. The Yankees HASN’T been our rival since 2001. We have been so bad to care about the Yankees winning their 27th or 28th.
This year doesn't matter anymore, competitively.
For 2011 and beyond we’ve weakened the Rangers, not strengthened them.
Last thing?
There was tranny porn in a thread the other day.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I vote this joke gets killed
So BrianL can move on.
Dissenting opinions are welcome, and should be encouraged, at Lookout Landing. -LL Style Guide
I'm done now.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
The Yankees are unhappy?
The Mariners had something to do with it?
I AM DELIGHTED.
by Joe Metro on Jul 9, 2010 3:01 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
its not like NY won't be able to sign Lee in the offseason
world series grubbing bitches
Peace, Love and West Coast Hip Hop, Go Mariners!
I already planned on rooting for Texas in the playoffs this year
and now they have Cliff Lee.
ignacio
Brian Cashman isn't going to do business with Jack Z for a while.
To be honest, I would take the Yankees deal. Even if Adams turns out to be damaged good, Montero + McAlister > Smoak + the 3, and throwing in 2.5M + Mark Lowe. Not high on Lowe, but the 2.5M basically amounts to the value of a 1st round sandwich pick. Well, still happy about what we got for Lee. I like this better than Hicks / Ramos. Smoak fits our park better than Montero, and you have your 1B for the present and future, where as Montero will take time to get used to 1B. I am still pretty happy.
No, this isn't highschool
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 9, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Smoak is good
His wOBAr is 350 and I hear that that’s great
by benderbrodriguez on Jul 9, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Amazing nobody is debating whether either is a fair deal for Lee.
We’re instead debating the finer points of which deal was better. I’m just amazed that anybody would offer their arguably #1 prospects for a few months of Lee. A few months ago I’d have called you nucking futs if you said this would happen.
Now, the gritty:
Smoak = Montero – Even if you think Montero is a better bat, no way he out duels Smoak in defense, base running, and the switch handedness is cool. Overall value, I think, puts them roughly equal.
Beavan = McAllister – Right now anyway. McAllister is not sexy. Beavan appears to have been messed with. I don’t think McAllister can improve much more than he is but Beavan probably can. Still, for now, they’re equal.
Adams = Lawson – Who cares about either.
Now the rest.
Lueke = Lowe – I know we love Mark Lowe and he’s been a good story, but with his back surgery and his elbow history how much more does he have? Lueke has legit stuff.
So the only bit that seems to be a stick in the craw is the 2.5 million. If cash is the only real difference in the deals, I’m not worried about it. Obviously New York doesn’t need us to throw in cash. Still, it IS a difference between the deals, even if the difference is, for all intents and purposes related to the playing field, irrelevant. Yes, it SHOULD net us a better haul, but it didn’t. I’m not going to cry my eyes out over it.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 9, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Plus, Texas won't have Smoak on their team for the next 6+ years.
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lueke > Lowe?
Lowe is broken right now and disc injuries are brutal, so you could say this.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I could. But until Lowe demonstrates he's done, it's premature. Also, Lueke may not be as good as reported.
For now, they’re equal based on what I know now. The rest is arguing from ignorance.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 9, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Fair enough.
All things considered approximately equal.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
That's how I see it. The only unequivical point is the cash.
Which I care absolutely nothing about, even if it should be an important factor in the return.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 9, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
In the long run 2.5 mil isn't that much in MLB terms.
If it got the deal done then so be it.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
It IS still a factor to consider.
Typically when you send money you SHOULD get better returns. Not always great, but better. Since the deals are, in my mind, equal, the 2.5 million IS a factor that has to be considered.
Still, I don’t care about it, but I understand if people do.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 9, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I think most people are happy for what Jack Z got for Lee.
I think people are just debating whether this is better than the Yankees deal. Personally, I didn’t think it was, but not that big of a difference. You compared to what Cleveland got when they traded CC Sabathia couple years ago on July 7. I think Jack Z did much better, as Justin Smoak > Matt Laporta. I think that’s the bench mark I would use to compare the value in what we got for Lee.
I don't like comparing unrelated trades.
Yeah, I know Sabathia was a big pitcher traded in the middle of a season and so’s Lee, but the people involved are different (sort of). We don’t know what kind of market was open for Sabathia aside from the deal that came through. In this case, it looked like a heated and competitive market for Cliff Lee, which is fascinating.
Yankee’s in, Yankee’s out, Rangers in, Yankee’s pissed. This has been a very interesting day of baseball.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 9, 2010 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Lee
You guys got more for 1/2 year of lee than we did for 1 1/2.
Must not be here for baseball either. Because that isn't what we're playing.
Knapp, Donald, Carrasco, and Marson.
Hmm… have to think about that one.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 9, 2010 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Whatever. I hope they choke to death on A-rod's rancid ejaculate.
A team that does whatever it can to take advantage of every other team can go fuck themselves.
...and now I'm here
by CapSea on Jul 9, 2010 3:11 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
He left a bad taste in your mouth huh?
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 9, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Rancid ejaculate will do that.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm tempted to put that in my signature.
Rancid ejaculate will to that.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
Awesome little subthread here.
SBNation needs mobile rec-ing if only for this.
by Jon S. on Jul 9, 2010 3:37 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm no Yankees apologist, but isn't doing
“whatever it can to take advantage of every other team” exactly what every MLB team should try to do? Come to think of it, I wish the Mariners would do this more often.
by FlaskInSafeco on Jul 9, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Provided you don't whine like a little bitch when it's done to you, then yes.
...and now I'm here
Theres a twisted sick part of me that feels the BEST part of this deal
was not aquiring Smoak, but making the Yankees think they had Lee and then pulling him away at the last second. I hope Lee destroys the Yankees in the ALCS.
How about in the ALDS?
No need for the yankees to go all the way to the ALCS
by benderbrodriguez on Jul 9, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
In a seven game series, there's a chance that the Yanks get beat by Lee 3 times.
That would be the ultimate zing.
by Jon S. on Jul 9, 2010 3:40 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Having time to digest
I’m a bit disappointed, not because I think the Yankees’ package was better, but because when news broke of the Rangers getting involved, I thought we’d get more than Smoak plus Beavan, Lueke, and whatever the other kid’s name is.
I can deal with the cash (it’s not my money), but losing Lowe isn’t great.
The fact that Yankees don’t get Lee makes this a win for me.
I don't think so
But, we’ll never know the full extent of the deal.
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Possibly is a big word.
Having said that, I was pretty stoked when we won the West before the Rangers, and sad when the Rangers won the West for the first time. They can fuck themselves.
by LonelyintheBleachers on Jul 9, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
My feelings exactly.
You have the best record in baseball and you will probably win the WS anyway.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the Yankees knew Cliff Lee can beat them twice in a 7 game series,
That’s pretty big. But Texas still has to win 2 other games. But Cliff Lee just drastically increase their chance in a 7 game series. Now, if it’s a 5 game series, Cliff Lee winning 2 games is even bigger. That’s why the yankees are very pissed.
In the ALCS, the Rangers could potentially start Lee in games 1, 4, and 7.
That’s riding him pretty hard, but I don’t think Cliff F Lee would have it any other way.
by Jon S. on Jul 9, 2010 3:43 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Honestly I don't think either deal was close to worth what they are getting.
We are just all hot and bothered because it look like the Yankees deal was better even though we don’t know all the details.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
This whole thing would have been better as an hour long ESPN special
by pdb on Jul 9, 2010 3:19 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Someone needs to pull out the We're-on-a-boat gif
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
by Marinerfanjake on Jul 9, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I can't wait for the nasty, emotional letter in Comic Sans
Kiss my ass, Yankees. Not on this side, not on that side, but right in ze middle.
by lemonverbena on Jul 9, 2010 3:19 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
HOLY SHIT YOU GUYS ITS MAGICMIKE23
This is why the yankees are great, but hated lol
Also the reason why rangers havent made the playoffs in a decade.
I find it hard to believe a montero, adams, mcallister offer couldnt be topped. Rangers have more than enough depth to pull it off.
by MagicMike23 on Jul 9, 2010 11:27 AM PDT reply actions
God dammit
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
he appears to be as well liked there as he is here
by pdb on Jul 9, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Good
That guy made my blood boil
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Did he get banned here?
I don’t recall him being one to give up on posting voluntarily.
Dissenting opinions are welcome, and should be encouraged, at Lookout Landing. -LL Style Guide
I sure hope so.
It’s been a long time since I’ve seen him around.
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's the tweet of the day. From Larry Stone, of course.
StoneLarry Inside sources say the Mariners are holding out for Pokey Reese about 2 hours ago via TweetDeck
After Jack Z backed out of conversations, was their offer of Montero still on the table?
Or did Jack have to make something happen with Texas because the Yankees no longer wanted to negotiate? Couple of questions that I hope are answered in the coming days
Sounds like Z really wanted Justin Smoak.
Interesting that he mentions about how you already know what GMs are going to offer in terms of prospects after the phone calls you have. And yet, Daniels turns around and offers Smoak instead today.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 9, 2010 3:44 PM PDT reply actions
Z: "Every deal should stand alone".
“What happens a year ago or 6 months ago has no relationship to what happens in this deal.”
I love this man.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 9, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
So Smoak wasn't on the table before today?
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
A question was asked of Z whether if Smoak was available yesterday if the deal would have been done then.
Jack said “Yes”. So the implication is that Smoak wasn’t on the table until now.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 9, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow, he is looking kind of brilliant to me now.
Sounds like he wanted Smoak (however controversial that may be) and did what he had to to get him. I agree with Divish, wouldn’t want to play poker with him.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, I mean, if you're given the choice of Smoak or someone else's offer that isn't as good
It’s an easy decision to make. I don’t know if he REALLY wanted Smoak, I think he just REALLY wanted Smoak from the Rangers.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 9, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Could be.
Either way we got to see him pitch for a half of a season AND we got better stiff back. Confidence restored.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
*stuff
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Smoak fills a huge hole.
Montero would also fill that hole, but with questions that make it harder (I’m guessing) to manage the roster, as well as no guarantee he succeeds in the new spot. It wouldn’t be a shock if they wanted Smoak over Montero even if Montero is destined to be better. Now he can simply attack catcher separately.
Major league ready, cost controlled first baseman. That’s pretty great.
...and now I'm here
I agree.
The other factors on Montero is that he doesn’t have a position. If he doesn’t stick at catcher long term, he has to learn first base or just become a DH, which okay whatever. But he’s also not major league ready. Smoak is going to help this team starting tomorrow. Montero not for another year or two.
I think we’re really grasping at straws, though, on this debate of Montero vs. Smoak. In my opinion, they’re both valuable as all fuck and for a long time. It’s about equal in terms of value both near and long term. Why quibble? It’s a good deal.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 9, 2010 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Montero also is characterized as not being naturally athletic.
I really didn’t like the sound of this, coupled with him not having much potential to help you defensively. Is he already slow, at 20, fit only to DH?
ignacio
I have to go off what I read and hear.
But it doesn’t look like he’ll stick at catcher, and his only other viable position is first base. He does not appear to have a lot of speed. DH, of course is ANYBODY’S option.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 9, 2010 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
He had to dress quickly
Because he just got done butt fucking the Yankees
by Lucky Loser on Jul 9, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Do you really take off your shirt to fuck the Yankees in the ass?
by Edgar for Pres on Jul 9, 2010 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Refused to lube.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 9, 2010 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Z just got asked about Lee's comment about a long term deal
He smirked, then dodged the question, but defends Lee’s comments from the time he got traded to the Mariners to now.
Admits that they did talk to Lee about extension, but doesn’t go into details. Mentions Lee’s injury in Spring Training. Says it would have been difficult to get a deal done.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 9, 2010 3:48 PM PDT reply actions
Mariners Burn Yankees, Get Smoak'd.
A-Rod Turns to Wang for Comfort.
...and now I'm here
by CapSea on Jul 9, 2010 3:49 PM PDT reply actions 9 recs
Too bad Phil Coke still isn't on the team.
Could have added another joke there.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 9, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh yeah. Forgot about that.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 9, 2010 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Teehee...
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Wang is a National now, isn't he?
by Eyebrows on Jul 9, 2010 4:24 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe not the whole team, but I am fully on the bandwagon of one particular Rangers player.
Fuck I’ll drive the damn thing.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope they win it all but Michael Young dies in the process.
Because fuck Michael Young.
Dissenting opinions are welcome, and should be encouraged, at Lookout Landing. -LL Style Guide
Cliff Lee is supposed to be talking on the presser soon.
Ooh boy!
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 9, 2010 3:51 PM PDT reply actions
Lee: "The weather was just starting to get nice, but now I'm gone".
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 9, 2010 3:54 PM PDT reply actions
Does this mean Lee is going to start using cocaine :(
by Robert on Jul 9, 2010 3:54 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
He'll be smiling even more!!
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Lee basically admits that he was paying attention to the news on him being traded.
Kicks the shit out of the cliche’s we always hear from players who say “y’know, I don’t pay attention that kind of thing”. Liars.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 9, 2010 3:55 PM PDT reply actions
Lee just got asked if he was anxious about becoming a Yankee when he heard.
He just said “Ifs and buts, whatever!”
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 9, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
For a really quick interview and without much prep time, Cliff answered questions well.
He basically said that it looked like he was a Yankee but he’s a Ranger now. He didn’t have any particular excitement one way or the other, he’s just happy to go to a team that wants him. He definitely tried to make sure that everybody knows that becoming a Yankee wasn’t a big deal to him, even if one of his old buddies (Sabathia) pitches for them.
God speed, Cliff. I’ll be adoring watching you kick the everloving crap out of the Yanks again in the post season.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 9, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Lee doesn't know cliches
because Lee doesn’t read.
Must not be here for baseball either. Because that isn't what we're playing.
Well, that was already speculated.
September call up and all.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 9, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Fuck
He’s gone. Thats kind of sinking in now…
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm coming around. I've gotten over the Lowe trade. My guess is he's really broken.
Smoak sounds awesome.
Fuck the Angels
I don't know yet.
Brett? Sec108? Is the sign returning?
Isn't up to me as I will not be back to Safeco until October.
I quit smoking in April though so tough call.
Yes.
He’s not the perfect GM, but on the whole he’s done a he’ll of a job.
by Jon S. on Jul 9, 2010 4:31 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yep, I mean remember 2008? That was only 2 seasons ago.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
When we traded him to the organization that I hate more than any other in sports (thought we traded) I was just so happy to Montero that I let by-gones be by-gones.
The fact that we ended up getting one of my favorite players and pissed off the Yankees.. Just how the fuck do you make me so happy Jack?
by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 9, 2010 4:00 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Hey Yanks...
Shut up and go do a deal for Oswalt or Lilly or someone else and leave us alone. I personally would have loved if this deal happened in a couple more days, just so Cliff could have beat you one more time in an M’s uniform.
Since when is leverage bad business?
This is just New York taking there LeBron frustrations out on us. Losers.
Did everyone get a warning?
Cause I hadn’t even posted yet. Although I solemnly pledge to avoid being a twat.
I had no idea
Why the Yanks were in it in the first place really, their odds of making the playoffs with their current roster is already crazy good, and while Lee certainly help their chances in the playoffs somewhat, how much so seem to be vastly overrated. shit can always happen in the playoffs, While Jeff Weaver + Jeff Suppan can also dominate you.
Meanwhile, their core is aging and the last thing they really want to do is to trade away a guy that might be a legitimate piece of the next one.
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