Cliff Lee, Mark Lowe Traded To Texas
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 9, 2010 2:00 PM PDT
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PrintJoel Sherman's been the go-to guy here all along, and so:
i have learned deal done with #Rangers, Smoak and 3 others for Lee and reliever Mark Lowe #Rangers, #Mariners
Time to think for a while.
Matthew's Update: Trade confirmed by Ken Rosenthal. I could have hoped as much as possible, but hope does not change the underlying facts and the lay of the situation and the circumstances of where the Mariners found themselves both this year and in 2011 made trading Lee almost a necessity. That necessity has been borne out and Cliff Lee is headed out. We now have secondary confirmation that Zduriencik has traded Lee to the Rangers along with Mark Lowe.
To Cliff, I hope you think well of us as you pack your locker. I certainly would not mind if you gave some thought to returning with a free agent contract. For now, so long and thanks for the memories.
Further Update:
The complete return appears to be:
23 year old switch-hitting 1B Justin Smoak
21 year old righty SP Blake Beavan
24 year old righty 2B Matt Lawson
25 year old righty RP Josh Lueke
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Funny I feel the same way I did when we traded FOR Lee
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 9, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess it means we're getting Scheppers ;)
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 9, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm guessing it has something to do with money.
But that’s all I’ve got right now.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
I want the return, but losing Lee still makes me cry.
Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.
well not to be rude
but you guys were going nowhere this year and not signing him, so seems like a win
I like Ike
Capitalization, spelling, and all that is appreciated.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
thanks for contributing to the discussion
Things happen for a reason they say, but I say there's a reason things happen.
I would say yes but I suppose most others disagree
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 9, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Montero's ceiling > Smoak's ceiling
However, Smoak > Montero right now. And Smoak’s floor is much greater than Montero’s.
Yes
He’s probably going to be an above average defender with more experience.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
I hate you guys
Promise to be kind to Smoaky. He’s a wonderful, wonderful man who deserves your adoration.
http://oursaviorchuck.ytmnd.com/
You better not break Cliff!!!
And you might as well win the goddamn world series while you’re at it.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, I have a bad feeling the Rangers will feel this for the next 5 years
"We are no longer a ride at Six Flags, we are in contention to do some things that will make our lives complete. I have been waiting for this for a long time." - Chuck Morgan
but if the rangers win this year their fans wont care much
and the rangers are a pretty good bet right now
I like Ike
I don't see how Smoak fits in this roster with Kotchman entrenched as our everyday first baseman.
by Janic on Jul 9, 2010 2:05 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Good point... Smoak will clearly be flipped to bring back Yuni and Willie Ballgame!
by brokejumper on Jul 9, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
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M's fan in PA, soon to be LA
Lee, the Man they call Lee
He was traded from the good
And sent to the bad
Stood up to big bats
Which his team didn’t have
Our love for him now
It’s easy to see
The hero of SoDo
The man they call Lee
Our Lee saw the Mariners’ backs breakin’
He saw the diehards’ lament
And he saw division rivals takin’
Every pennant with no chance to contend
So he said "you can’t do that to this city"
He said "you can’t crush them under your heel"
So Lee strapped on his hat
And in 5 seconds flat
He’d face three up, three down – no big deal
He was traded from the good
And sent to the bad
Stood up to big bats
Which his team didn’t have
Our love for him now
It’s easy to see
The hero of SoDo
The man they call Lee
Now here is what separates Cy Youngs
From common folk like Hyphen and Snell
The man they call Lee
When his run support did flee
Never wavered, just kept throwin’ well
He struck out the Rangers
He struck out the Rays
The man they called Lee
He stole away our pain
Then we sent him away to brighter days
Traded from the bad
Sent back to the good
Where he’ll finally win games
Like we wish we could
Our love for him now
Still easy to see
The hero of SoDo
The man they call Lee
Rooting for lovable losers since 1984.
by seattlecougar on Jul 9, 2010 2:06 PM PDT reply actions 23 recs
That was an absolute travesty.
I think they’ve re-released it three times on disc and its sales increase each time?
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
It is without a doubt the best Sci Fi series since ST:TNG
The fact it was cancelled after 14 episodes is depressing beyond words.
It was better than TNG, but it can never compete with the place TNG holds in TV history.
The first multi-million dollar per episode show in TV history will always be special. For pure quality sci-fi entertainment, Firefly is unrivaled. Glad to see the cast getting work.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
:(
At least it got the movie. I would have loved for more movies… Perhaps… If one can dream….
Rooting for lovable losers since 1984.
by seattlecougar on Jul 9, 2010 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
What was the movie called?
Firefly?
Stupid question?
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks!
I’m guessing it’s worth Netflixing?
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
YEP
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
That's a 10-4.
One of the better TV villains in that movie.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
I think I would have been bored if I hadn't watched the series.
Also, I’d have hated to watch the movie first then go back and watch the show.
I watched the movie first
and loved it enough to go back and watch the T.V. series. It was all well worth my time, no matter how brief it might have been. Goodbye Cliff L…erm, Firefly.
Yes, but
Netflix the series first. It used to be on Insta-watch. Just make sure you have 14 hours set aside in case you can’t stop.
Well poop
Is it a requirement to have watched the series first? Will I be lost watching the movie otherwise?
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope.
Stands perfectly well on its own.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
You will however appreciate certain character things better if you have seen the series.
Certain moments will be more meaningful.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Absolutely.
For me it would be a 7/10 without viewing the series, and a 9/10 after.
I know this because that’s how I experienced it :( I was not aware prior to Serenity.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
I watched it in order.
It was the right thing to do, but after blowing through BTVS/Angel on my way in, it just ended with me feeling really sad and empty.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Yuck.
Talk about a case of fandom blueballs. What a letdown that must’ve been.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
Dollhouse was announced soon after but we all know how that went.
Seeing things flame out early has a tendency to make you overestimate what might have been.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
This is true.
But not many creative artists can produce a half season like Cliff Le-, or rather, Joss Whedon. Imagining what could have been is all we can hope for at this point.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
It's disgusting in a way.
I can imagine the kind of emotional investment he had in Firefly that likely did not transfer to Dollhouse, so now I wonder about what he’ll do in the future.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I actually watched the movie first and loved it
I was fucking smashed at the time, though, so remembered nothing when I eventually got to watching the series.
Having said that, I would certainly recommend seeing the series first.
It should be on Hulu still
Was last time I checked (a few weeks ago)
Rooting for lovable losers since 1984.
by seattlecougar on Jul 9, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
The whole series?
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Blargh...
That’s better than nothing. Well, there goes my weekend!
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, but it's in the middle, episodes 11-15
You’d be better off renting the DVDs or finding them online elsewhere.
Yay .torrents!
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I've bee watching Castle on ABC
Not really because it’s good (it’s not), but because NATHAN FILLION!
The Whedon is strong with you.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
This is a gutsy trade
Within division and whatnot
by benderbrodriguez on Jul 9, 2010 2:06 PM PDT reply actions
BY CLIFF WE'LL MISS YOUR SEXY OWNAGE.
BUT WHAT WE GET BACK FOR YOU IS IMPORTANT TO US.
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
So... 3 others.
Gotta think a catcher (Salty?) Pitcher (Holland? Perez? Harden? for salary) and something else? I have no idea – but you gotta think Salty or Teagarden or Ramirez is in there.
If Perez is included
You might want to avoid Seattle for a bit as I imagine there will be an inordinate number of LSB prospect gurus tearing down Safeco…as soon as they finish with JD’s office.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
HAHAHAHA!
Buster_ESPN The Yankees and Mariners had actually had an agreement-in-principle, based on the physicals — and SEA stepped away, which is all fair game.
The Yankees got outbid by a bankrupt team with no owners.
That should make for some fun copy in New York.
by drblacknwhite on Jul 9, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Wikipedia is fucking fast.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Wikipedia wouldn't update until a press release.
I think its Robert. Robert or Scruffy.
M's fan in PA, soon to be LA
Reverted to Rangers!
21:36, 9 July 2010 Muboshgu (talk | contribs) (8,800 bytes) (Reverted to revision 372645348 by Giants27; No trade has been finalized. (TW)) (undo)
THANK GOD IT WASN'T THE CRANKEES
It would have hurt so badly to see him in a New York uniform.
Plus, SMOAK! Fuck yeah.
It will be interesting to see if he chooses to stay with Texas
or if this is just postponing the inevitable.
by msb on Jul 9, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
There's a much greater than zero chance
The Rangers ownership situation is still being worked out this offseason.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
He could very well get lit up with the HR ball as well
A number of fly balls have died at the track at the Safe that won’t in Arlington.
Lit up may be strong language, but it’s not likely that he does as well
by seattlesundevil on Jul 9, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
True
But he’ll have a better offense supporting him. It’s been more wet than hot and dry this summer, so the ‘jet stream’ hasn’t had quite as big of an effect…yet.
Still, it doesn’t matter how much you like the Rangers defense, he’s going to a much worse environment to pitch in.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
I'm resisting the urge to be sad about Lee
Yay for Smoak but…I just…I’m confused.
by Aaroniero Arruruerie on Jul 9, 2010 2:12 PM PDT reply actions
MLB NETWORK
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
Whoever is in charge of the Z banner...
HANG THAT SHIT UP AGAIN
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
No kidding
what a way to drive up the price!
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 9, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
BRETT IS ON IT
My Mariners blog SodoMojo, My Twitter Feed
by Griffin Cooper on Jul 9, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Head in oven.
http://twitter.com/ShadiestNucca
“Fuck you Mariners you fucking fucks,,,fuck you you fucking fucksticks. #yankees #mariners "
by brokejumper on Jul 9, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
That just made my day.
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
THIS IS BEAUTIFUL
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
from the Dallas radio
Smoak, Leuke, Lawson, plus 1 more
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
WHO THE FUCK ARE THESE PEOPLE
WHO THE FUCK CARES JUSTIN SMOAK WOOOOOOOO!!!!!
I WOULD RATHER BE WATCHING SOCCER -- Jeff Sullivan
I care because if there's not another + prospect in there I'd rather have the Yankees offer
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 9, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I AM BEING COMPLETELY RATIONAL RIGHT NOW
I WOULD RATHER BE WATCHING SOCCER -- Jeff Sullivan
INFO QUICKLY SOMEONE ON THESE NAMES. IM UNFAMILIAR
by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 9, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
WHERE'S JY!?!?!
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I'M HERE, GIMME A MINUTE
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
NOT TOP TEN PROSPECTS APPARENTLY
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
FIRST INFO: LEUKE IS 25 AND HARDLY HAS ANY INNINGS PITCHED IN THE MINORS THOUGH THEY ARE GOOD I GUESS?
by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 9, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
LAWSON IS 24 YEAR OLD 2ND BASEMAN IN AA.
by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 9, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Leuke's a decent relief prospect.
Career was put on hold because, I shit you not, he was accused of rape while at Bakersfield. He throws 94-97 with a low 80’s slider.
Lawson’s nobody.
But hey, SMOAK!!!
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
WAIT THOUGH. They have one more pitcher to name and they got a shitload of good pitchers. Including ones that could be PTBNL.
by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 9, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
SCHEPPERS IS A PTBNL AT THIS POINT
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
You got Justin Smoak.
You should be doing handstands and humping parking meters.
by LiamP on Jul 9, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
IT IS HARD TO DO THAT AND TYPE AT THE SAME TIME BUT I WILL TRY
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
~.355 wOBAr right now
for Smoak
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
Ok
Just trying to point out that he’s not as bad at the MLB level as his surface numbers look. I could have just posted his LD% and BABIP I s’pose.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
Who are Leuke and Lawson?
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
by Marinerfanjake on Jul 9, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't know any of those names - but I don't follow TEX farm system
The plus 1 more thing is intriguing – could be a Scheppers PTBNL until September (year after the signed)
by seattlesundevil on Jul 9, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
He raped someone
google it
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Jul 9, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hopefully it was a pitcher.
I fucking hate you Mariners
And not a catcher
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
Nope
The Rangers had to put him on a different team as part of an agreement with the law there.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
Like Rothlesburger-raped or actually convicted of rape?
Milton Bradley apologist
by sanford_and_son on Jul 9, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Been discussed other places on the thread.
Subthread closed.
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Some bloody bugger
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 9, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
HOW THE FUCK WOULD THEY KNOW
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
and Beavan
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
WHO THE SHIT?
Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.
by JAH on Jul 9, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
105.3
is a bullshit station with no credibility. I wouldn’t bet on this being true.
http://oursaviorchuck.ytmnd.com/
Yeah, we seemed to be getting more from NY.
Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.
by JAH on Jul 9, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Would have rather us traded him to the Yankees instead.
Sounds like he is going there eventually and I don’t want to help the Rangers win the pennant and leave us as the only team in the league without one.
So Smoak
plus 2 meh and a potential middle ot back of the rotation SP that just got promoted to AAA
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Hell no
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD NOT HAPPEN
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Kotchman is still on the team.
No point in having 3 first basemen
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
Jon Morosi tweeted.
#Mariners getting Smoak, two pitchers and one position player, source says. #Rangers #MLB
My fellow AL westerners...
Please.. please be good to Justin…
Please.. please be good to Justin…On this day, the Ranger fanbase has had their heart broken.
Please.. please be good to Justin…On this day, the Ranger fanbase has had their heart broken.So as much as we compete with eachother and hope for the demise of one another…
Please.. for us.. be good to him..
Please.. for us.. be good to him..tears
by TheHuntforRedOctober on Jul 9, 2010 2:20 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
We will be.
And you will LOVE Lee. He has made me fall in love with baseball in a way I didn’t know was possible.
Lee is amazing
it is an honor to root for a team he pitches for
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 9, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
My fellow AL westerners...
Please.. please be good to Cliff…
Please.. please be good to Cliff …On this day, the Mariner fanbase has had their heart broken.
Please.. please be good to Cliff…On this day, the Mariner fanbase has had their heart broken.So as much as we compete with eachother and hope for the demise of one another…
Please.. for us.. be good to him..
Please.. for us.. be good to him..tears
M's fan in PA, soon to be LA
by perfectstrat on Jul 9, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
WE WILL TRY TO DO OUR BEST IN THESE TRYING TIMES
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I can honestly say that I'm rooting for the Rangers to win the World Series this year.
Of course the Mariners will win a number of World Series in the coming years with Smoak leading the way to overcome the franchise-saving 2010 WS victory of the Rangers, but still. NEW RIVALRY. GOODBYE PADRES!
THE RANGERS ARE ONE OF THE FEW REMAINING TEAMS THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN TO THE WS
IF THEY GET THERE BEFORE US, I WILL BE SORT OF UPSET, BUT ALSO A LITTLE HAPPY IN THIS CASE BECAUSE THEIR MODEL IS SOUND AND THEY HAVE TWO PLAYERS I’M FOND OF
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I hate to say it but the NYY package might have been better
LoneStarDugout
It looks like RHP Blake Beavan, RHP Josh Lueke, and 2B Matt Lawson are the three prospects going to Seattle.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
BLAKE BEAVEN IS GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 9, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Probably
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
DEFINITELY
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Pitchers typically need to strike people out in order not to be awful
by Graham MacAree on Jul 9, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
6'7, 210 LBS, 91-96 MPH FASTBALL AROUND THE TIME HE WAS DRAFTED
HE’S NOT WALKING ANYONE, SO I’D SAY WITH SOME TWEAKS AND PERHAPS IMPROVED SECONDARIES, THIS IS NOT TOO WORRISOME.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Remember Andrew Miller and Rick Porcello?
by Graham MacAree on Jul 9, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
WASN'T MILLER INJURED THOUGH?
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Miller ended up being lesson #1 in
PAY ATTENTION TO STRIKEOUTS
by Graham MacAree on Jul 9, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah gotta go with Graham on this one
His low strikeouts are worrisome. You can’t really be a MLB pitcher and only have 4 K/9. It just doesn’t usually work. I hope since he is super young his K rate increases as he ages but you can’t count on that.
by Edgar for Pres on Jul 9, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
HE ALSO HAD HORRIBLE COMMAND AT MOST LEVELS
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
They completely changed his pitching mechanics
Right after he was drafted. Rapid drop in velocity that has been slowly creeping back up to acceptable levels.
The control is good, but you have to hope he develops at least one plus secondary if you want to see anything better than a 3/4 out of him.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
Yeah, but he seems to be a low-risk type of guy.
Maybe he never develops past #3/4, but that’s a fairly great return as a #2 piece.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
Oh yeah
I always thought he would be valuable as that. I was just hoping it was Scheppers instead of Smoak headlining.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
THAT'S UNFORTUNATE.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Just don't look at the K%
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
BACK ON BOARD THE Z TRAIN!
Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.
by JAH on Jul 9, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
CHOO CHOO!!!
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Lueke
38.1 IP and 62 K’s? That has to be a typo…
Wow he's been raping AA
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 9, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
Good for the soul
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
I HOPE THIS PARTICULAR JOKE DIES BUT I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE A BIG FUSS ABOUT IT
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
JUST ONCE JUST ONCE
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 9, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
You should come over to LSB sometime
There’s a poster I’d like to introduce you to…his name is thedirkatron.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 9, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
I-I-I-I I SAY BOYYYYY!!!!
Every time you masturbate... God kills a kitten? Fuck kittens.
by Matt Erickson on Jul 9, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes. Yes, the Mariners traded for a convicted rapist.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 9, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Plea deal
now that I’ve read the story I regret making jokes
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 9, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I wasn't there, I don't know what happened, so I won't judge.
Doesn’t sound like this guy has a long criminal history before or after that.
"If for any reason you're not completely satisfied, I hate you."
WHILE I OFTEN BELIEVE THAT COOLER HEADS PREVAIL AND PEOPLE ARE GENERALLY INCLINED TO MAKE MISTAKES...
THIS IS NOT A MISTAKE THAT I PERSONALLY AM CAPABLE OF FORGIVING A FELLOW FOR. I WON’T TREAT HIM WITH ANIMOSITY OUTSIDE OF BAD PITCHING PERFORMANCES BUT I WILL NEVER BE OKAY WITH THE KNOWLEDGE THAT HE’S IN THE SYSTEM.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
What if it was really just drunken stupidity on the part of both parties involved?
I don’t know, I am 100% against anything of this nature, but I also know that people can be accused of things without basis, or they can end up in bad situations where things happened when they shouldn’t, but their wasn’t really an intent to do something bad.
"If for any reason you're not completely satisfied, I hate you."
The rumor was
That the sex was consensual, then he went somewhere he wasn’t supposed to go and was nonconsensual.
I have no idea if it’s true.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
YOU'D BETTER FUCKING BELIEVE IT INCLUDES JOKES.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes.
Jokes about actual rape are one of the most difficult things in the world to make funny.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 9, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
NO.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Clowns make everything worse
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
This was unneeded.
Just leave the subthread closed.
YES A MILLION FUCKING TIMES
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I think abender20 is right.
Probably no point in discussing this. I shouldn’t have opened the can of worms.
"If for any reason you're not completely satisfied, I hate you."
Yeah
I felt bad even posting that. Sorry.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
APOLOGY ACCEPTED. WE COOL.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
GOOD.
SETTING STANDARDS OF GOOD BEHAVIOR IS NOT REALLY MY THING, BUT I’D LIKE IT IF THIS PARTICULAR ONE WERE OFF-LIMITS.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
THIS CHANGES MY REACTION TO THE TRADE, BUT I WILL BACK OFF UNTIL FURTHER INFORMATION IS PROVIDED
I’LL TRY TO BE OBJECTIVE ABOUT IT BUT WILL BE INCLINED TO RESPOND TO HIS PERFORMANCES WITH HARSH WORDS IF NECESSARY.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
For those not in on the joke
This is from last year. But it may explain why Texas let an infinity K/9 pitcher go.
IT NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN A JOKE.
IT’S NOT FUNNY.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That mustache isn't helping his image problems.
by Smegmalicious on Jul 9, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
It's the only evidence against him
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 9, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Strange... I thought for sure we'd get a catcher in this deal
Rangers have a few guys they seem to have given up on. I mean, why else would you go out and get a Molina?
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 9, 2010 2:23 PM PDT reply actions
thought this was interesting
Evan Grant Evan_P_Grant
Regarding other prospects: Only thing I was told by sources before afternoon activity was that Martin Perez was deemed untouchable
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
I kinda figured as much.
Feliz seems like he might be in the bullpen for life, so Perez is the guy they’re dreaming on in the rotation.
.
@StoneLarry M’s get Smoak, Seattle Times headline writers rejoice (Holy Smoak! Up in Smoak! Smoak and Mirrors! Smoakin’! Where There’s Smoak…!") etc.
I LOVE LARRY'S SELF-AWARENESS
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I love Stone
Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.
by JAH on Jul 9, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
This is a lesser package (as reported lately anyway) and we added money AND Lowe over teh Yankees trade.
We should be blowing that out of the water. Doesn’t make sense.
kinda what I thought
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
A few thoughts on that.
Perhaps there were Mariners players other than Lee going back to the Yankees who weren’t being widely publicized?
And while I’d also prefer the Yankees return, in the big picture it’s hard for me to get too perturbed about a return that includes Smoak. That’s a huge win and would have been dismissed as completely unrealistic even a few days ago.
That isn't how the front office operates
by Graham MacAree on Jul 9, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
As has been said
Z doesn’t operate that way. However, his Major League readiness probably factored heavily
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 9, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup! I don't get it...I love Smoak and all, but hmmm.
I fucking hate you Mariners
Do you think the downgrade from Montero to Smoak isn't worth the upgrade from McAllister to Beavin?
I WOULD RATHER BE WATCHING SOCCER -- Jeff Sullivan
Yes, I think so. Beavin's upside seems higher. And he's younger.
by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 9, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess in my mind, though Beaven is in AA and McCallister is in AAA, Beaven has that one extra year to improve. Plus he's on the upswing, McCallister is having a down year.
I mean, it seems like neither was a strikeout pitcher, but Beaven gives up less walks. To be fair, I’m not going to make great stretches on comparing the two.
by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 9, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Beavan just got promoted to AAA
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
Well, I obviously can't count his AAA numbers that don't exist yet. And isn't his promotion up to us now?
by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 9, 2010 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Fair enough
Just trying to be helpful.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
Sorry if I was dick-ish. Let us simply rejoice at this being over.
by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 9, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm so conflicted
It’s going to take a while I think.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
Beavan
Low ceiling, close to majors type. Isn’t that the sort of pitcher you guys were interested in?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
I'm sick of having eighteen of those guys
by Graham MacAree on Jul 9, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
Yes.
So if Smoak = Montero and McAllister = Beavan and Adams > Lawson, we just made a mistake.
by Graham MacAree on Jul 9, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Right, we apparently just traded cash and Mark Lowe for a worse 2B and an extra reliever
by Graham MacAree on Jul 9, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Regarding the pitchers and how they stack up against McAllister
the numbers aren’t that different but I presume they have been heavily scouted
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 9, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
The cash would have probably turned into some really nice international signings
by Edgar for Pres on Jul 9, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
DIFFERENT FUNDS
OUR ROSTER ACCOUNTING WAS PROBABLY INCLUDING LEE ALL ALONG.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I will never understand how their accounting works
Its retarded
by Edgar for Pres on Jul 9, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
YES.
THAT’S THE GIST OF WHAT ANY OF US NEED TO KNOW AT THIS POINT.
CLIFF LEE DID NOT STEAL ALL OUR COOKIES ON HIS WAY OUT. WE DON’T ACCOUNT THAT WAY.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You can say this all you want but it doesn't help
by Edgar for Pres on Jul 9, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Not really
Its more like they give you 4 dollars for lemons and 3 dollars for sugar. You find out lemons are on sale but sugar is expensive so you spend all your sugar budget but not all your lemon budget. This isn’t optimal.
by Edgar for Pres on Jul 9, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
What happens to a bucket if money is left there at the end of the year?
by Edgar for Pres on Jul 9, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
IT IS NOT PUT TOWARDS NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, I CAN TELL YOU THAT MUCH
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
THIS I'M GOING TO AGREE WITH AND REC YOU ON
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry
I remember know that it was USSM that was proposing a Ramos+Slowey type deal
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
THAT WAS NOT AN APPEALING DEAL
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe Jack just wanted Smoak all along. His number one choice. When the Rangers called and finally said "okay fine" he was willing to go down in price on the other 3.
by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 9, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Just looking over Bleavan's AAA results this year,
in 110 IP he’s got 12 walks and 68 K’s to go along with his shiny 2.78 ERA.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
AS TALL, BUT BIGGER AND MORE HEAT.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I was just gonna post this.
Doug Fister redux.
Not sure Beavan’s touching 96 like he was coming out of HS.
Brett Anderson is the Truth. Brett Anderson is divine presence. Brett Anderson is eternal life. Brett Anderson is within you. Brett Anderson is here. Brett Anderson is Now.
by Frederick0220 on Jul 9, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
You're right.
I was just looking at his MiLB page which suggests AAA. He’s in AA, repeating?
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
AA
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
its all from AA
just started in AAA, hasn’t made a start yet
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Jason Parks on him:
Beavan is a command/control pitcher w/a decent FB, decent CU, and iffy SL. Unless he adds a pitch, I project him to be a 4/5 at best.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
OK, I got all excited about the Yankees deal, now I'm excited about this deal
I’m excited enough that I don’t know if this package is better than the Yankees package.
How much value do you guys think we should place
in making Texas worse in the future with this deal? Seems like this is a pretty big swing after this season is over and they just get a couple of picks.
The "couple of picks"
Are going to be better than the shit we picked up in the deal other than Smoak.
M's fan in PA, soon to be LA
I would guess so
Beavan just doesn’t have the ceiling he used to have.
They may not turn out to be as good in 5 years, but I think they would be more valuable over the next 1-3 years.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
All I'm saying is that the downgrade from Montero to Smoak
might be worth getting Smoak off of the roster of the team we are probably trying to catch the next couple years
At the start of the day I'd have bitten your hand off if you offered Smoak+
The Yankees deal seemed better though. I’m still pretty damn happy.
Agreed.
I like to think of it as Mariners + Smoak for 5/6 years
Rangers – Smoak for 5/6 years
But Montero would have been awesome.
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
In Z my trust is fully restored.
I can disagree with his preseason handling of Lee all I want, but the fact is I’ve never seen a GM with bigger balls. Turning down Montero to hold out for something better? Massive balls. What a trade.
by Jon S. on Jul 9, 2010 2:36 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
This isn't obviously something better
And we paid more for it
by Graham MacAree on Jul 9, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree.
He better have seen something he really liked in the things we are calling “chump change”
M's fan in PA, soon to be LA
He did pretty well in the Putz deal.
And while you can’t predict a repeat, it does show that he’s got the ability to sniff some goodies out of the woodpile.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
Rangers fan here
I still goddamn hate giving up Smoak. But Cliff Lee personifies sexiness.
Justin Smoak is a Will Clark/John Olerud mashup going forward. Tons of walks, hard contact, 25 HR power with solid D. .300/400/500 in his peak years.
Beavan came out of HS as a flamethrower with a good slider. Rangers changed his arm action (was thought to be a guarantee for injuries down the road) and he’s become a different pitcher entirely. THrows 89-92, average slider, change and curve. Pinpoint command and good groundball tendencies. Looks like a good bet to eat a lot of innings at the ML level.
Josh Leuke is a rapist.
He also throws in the mid 90s and is making AA hitters look lobotomized. He may be up in the majors fairly soon.
Matt Lawson is not a big league prospect. But, you know, depth is cool.
/Cries about Smoak some more.
/Looks at Cliff Lee highlights
http://oursaviorchuck.ytmnd.com/
by Conjunction on Jul 9, 2010 2:38 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
This is really not fucking funny people.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Even if we hadn't included money and Lowe, that deal is worse than the reported Yankees package
I don’t get it, unless those reports weren’t true.
It's entirely possible they weren't true and if so were incomplete
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 9, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly, that never happened so as far as we know it never existed.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Holy fucking shit, I did not think of that.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I had that in my mind, too. Was too scared to think much about it though.
by seattlesundevil on Jul 9, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
If he was within a mile of that deal then holy fuck I'm glad that went away.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Would make all kinds of sense why NY was so menstrual about Jack closing with Texas.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
I can't imagine that that's a deal that the M's would have agreed to
They need Pineda
by Graham MacAree on Jul 9, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm with you on this one.
There is no way you include Pineda in a deal that sends Lee away. He’s part of the reason we can afford to trade Lee in the first place.
"If for any reason you're not completely satisfied, I hate you."
Maybe they mention his name to New York. New York puts Montero, etc on the table.
We go to Texas knowing that we aren’t trading Pineda but tell them what Yankees are willing to give up. The Rangers then give us what we want.
I fucking hate you Mariners
New York knows that we don't trade Pineda though
I mean, it’s just not reasonable for a rebuilding club to be putting its top prospects on the table. Everyone knows this.
by Graham MacAree on Jul 9, 2010 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, I'm just saying
that we thought we were getting a once-in-a-lifetime steal, so it’s possible they were under the impression they were as well.
Bah, it’s irrelevant now. I cede contention of the point.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
Me too. He's just one of my favorite young players in the league.
by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 9, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Somehow...
…this makes it better.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
The 3 other prospects are pretty unexciting
Better than the projected Hicks/Ramos deal, but not as good as one with Montero/McAllister/someone else deal.
This trade has brought me back down to Earth though, even if it’s pretty good.
by Aaroniero Arruruerie on Jul 9, 2010 2:41 PM PDT reply actions
I'm surprised that we'd consider any trade of a half-season of Cliff Lee for Smoak to be just "pretty good."
If we knew nothing about the Yankee offer, we’d be completely over the moon about this.
by Chris Hafner on Jul 9, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Truth.. That Yankees offer set the bar pretty high
Getting Smoak a week ago was a pipe dream.
by seattlesundevil on Jul 9, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Right. I'm a little surprised by the mournful mood that seems to be prevailing.
Even if the Yankees offer was exactly as reported, and as a result the Mariners didn’t pick the exactly optimal package, that shouldn’t distract from the point that the Mariners just made a magnificent trade. They just consummated a string of transactions that turned Aumont, Ramirez, and Gilies into a half-season of Cliff Lee magnificence, Justin Smoak, and three players of varying potential.
Or, to focus solely on what took place today, we traded a half-season rental of Cliff Lee and two draft picks for a young, cost-controlled switch-hitter who projects to be an excellent building block for the next several years. It very possibly could have been better, but it’s the equivalent about mourning over a lost $20 when somebody just gave you $1,000.
I'm happy.
I feel like I might have been happier.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 9, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have been pulled down from levels of pure ecstacy to mere happiness
As a result I feel upset
by Graham MacAree on Jul 9, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
THE RANGERS MIGHT DO SOMETHING WITH THOSE DRAFT PICKS
JUST A QUICK SHUDDER DOWN THE SPINE THERE.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
They can't do anything with them if their ownership and bankruptcy doesn't get resolved.
I know it’s a year away, but who knows
VALID POINT
I HAD BEEN HEARING PROGRESS ON THE OWNERSHIP FRONT THOUGH.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm personally satisfied with the trade
Just tempering myself here.
by Aaroniero Arruruerie on Jul 9, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Leuke, Lawson, and Beaven are significantly less than Aumont, Gillies, and Ramirez, right?
Determined, Jonesing Commentor
Who knows.
Z seems like a pretty good talent evaluator so whatever.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
They are also getting only a few months of Lee.
So we should expect less.
"If for any reason you're not completely satisfied, I hate you."
by Thingray on Jul 9, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's two non-prospects and a prospect for three prospects
by Graham MacAree on Jul 9, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Lueke has a shot
Good arm
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
YOU HAVE A HIGHER OPINION OF RAMIREZ THAN I DO.
AUMONT ULTIMATELY DID NOT TAKE WELL TO STARTING, AND REALISTICALLY, GILLIES WAS PROBABLY A FOURTH OUTFIELDER IF IT’S A GOOD TEAM.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
HISTORIC PERFORMANCES ARE NOT ON RAMIREZ' SIDE
THE SORIANO COMPS PEOPLE WERE MAKING IN HIS CASE ALWAYS COMPLETELY IGNORED PRESENT RESULTS.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Put it this way - I'd take Beavan over Aumont by a good amount, Ramirez over Lueke by a bit, and Gillies over Lawson
Similar packages, plus, SMOAK.
THAT'S WHAT PUTS IT IN THE WORSE CATEGORY FOR ME.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Plus a half season of Lee
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
I think Beaven is fair comparison to Aumont or Ramirez. Pick one. I don't personally think Gillies is a major leaguer like Lawson appears not to be, but Gillies is clearly the better prospect. Its slight favor to what the M's gave up, but I think we
got a fourth player today too.
by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 9, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Uhh...about that
He’s going to need some serious development time against LHP. Or perhaps a platoon partner, but let’s not be hasty.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
LET'S NOT TALK ABOUT PLATOONING WITH A FIRST-YEAR PLAYER IN MOST CASES
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I know, hence:
but let’s not be hasty.
I’m just saying, from his scouting reports, his SSS numbers, and anecdotally, he looks to currently be struggling with LHP. He may not in the future, but you’ll see what I mean the rest of this year.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
ANECDOTALLY, LAST YEAR SAUNDERS WAS HORRIBLE.
JUDGING PLAYERS BASED OFF OF THE FIRST FEW HUNDRED AT-BATS IS A BAD IDEA.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Jeez
I get it. I agree. SSS, especially for a split, where you need more than one year. Splits are often not as bad as they appear anyways.
I’m just passing on what one of the common gripes about him is currently.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
I think Jay's all caps binge makes him sound more argumentative than he's actually being
by Graham MacAree on Jul 9, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
ON THE PLUS SIDE, IT MAY HAVE STOPPED THE LUEKE TALK.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I'M NOT TRYING TO SINGLE YOU OUT TO HARP ON YOU
YOU JUST HAPPEN TO BE BRINGING UP LARGER PLAYER EVALUATION POINTS THAT IT WOULD HELP US TO ADDRESS PUBLICLY.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
HUH IT ATE THE OTHER HALF OF THAT POST.
I ONLY MENTION IT BECAUSE YOU’RE BRINGING UP POINTS THAT I FIND TO PERSONALLY BE FRUSTRATING AS A PROSPECT EVALUATOR. WHEN YOU GET RIGHT DOWN TO IT, VERY FEW PLAYERS ARE GOING TO PERFORM AT THEIR ESTABLISHED MAJOR LEAGUE LEVELS AS SOON AS THEY HIT THE MLB, PARTLY FOR THE GREATER TALENT AND PARTLY BECAUSE THE EXPECTATIONS PLACED ON THEM ARE SO MUCH GREATER. BEING SOMEONE WHO CARES ABOUT PLAYER DEVELOPMENT, IT’S FRUSTRATING TO ME TO SEE SOME ARMCHAIR SCOUT SAYING “X WILL NEVER BE A MAJOR LEAGUE HITTER” BASED OF A PALTRY FEW AT-BATS OF SAMPLING BECAUSE IT’S A LINE OF THINKING THAT IS ULTIMATELY QUITE DESTRUCTIVE.
I’M USING YOUR COMMENTS AS A SPRINGBOARD TO AIR OUT THESE THOUGHTS PUBLICLY, BUT DON’T THINK THAT I’M MAD AT YOUR OR DELIBERATELY TRYING TO START SHIT. I’M JUST TYPING IN ALL CAPS AND TRYING TO MAKE A REASONED POINT.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
I thought it was all caps time until Lee trade was official?
Or did I just assume incorrectly?
CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL.
I THINK I MIGHT JUST KEEP IT ON UNTIL I’M OUT OF THIS THREAD. I MIGHT CUT IT OFF EARLY THOUGH. HAVEN’T DECIDED YET.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Okay, I'm done.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
No
You will fall in love with his swing
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
Now if only we can pry Montero out of the Yankees' hands somehow.
I want em’ both. DH and 1B combo like that.
I didn't want to be the one to say it.
You might be able to get away with Ichiro if they had a need. They don’t.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
I'll take Smoak happily.
Something about Montero’s bat and potential is biting at me, though
It's the higher ceiling.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
And then settle for two draft picks?
You can have the picks, I’ll take Smoak.
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
This is how I'll view it, and be happier about it.
I fucking hate you Mariners
Same here.
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
The specifics of the deal with the Yankees were not written in stone.
Lowe + cash never came up until the deal was totally finished.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 9, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
I will just say that we didn't hear Lowe's name until the end of the announcements.
It’s entirely possible that we would have sent someone to NY as well. Actually, it seemed likely to me the whole time.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
While you're right, it's also clear that we don't know for certain what the deal with NY was.
I was pumped for the Montero package just like everyone else. It looked like it had the potential to put three contributing players on the team in the next year or year and a half. But it really did seem too good to be true.
Unless Cashman comes out with the phone records, we’ll likely never know the final details. Personally I’d be interested to see what the end ‘agreement’ was.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
I don't think it's fair
to be furious unless you’re absolutely certain that we knew the full details of the other deal.
We are the Backwardsmen
We get good players like Figgins and League and turn them into Kraft Dinner.
Perhaps a slightly less amazing offer prevents this.
I agree if you assume that Smoak and Montero are about equal.
It seems that GMZ thinks that Smoak is considerably better though.
AHAHA...that's funny.
I fucking hate you Mariners
They way he fucked over the Yankees made this just a little better.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Awwww... Sorry Cashman!
Fuck off.
Oh man… there’s gonna be a fight tonight.
by seattlesundevil on Jul 9, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Slapfight!!
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope Z isn't alienating teams
That could be a problem in a few years
Determined, Jonesing Commentor
by Corco on Jul 9, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's one thing to fuck a team for no reason, but fucking them to get your player or whatever we did here is different.
They’d be foolish to not trade with the Mariners in the future because of something like this.
And screw the Yankees -
I hope you have to face the Rangers in the ALCS and see Lee twice.
Quit bitching Cashman, you'll have him in 6 months.
You're dead to me.
by Goose on Jul 9, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
x
Mark Feinsand of the Daily News is talking to a source — I’m guessing a Yankees source — who says there will be big trouble in baseball if the Rangers get Cliff Lee:
“There will be a battle royale over this if Texas gets Lee . . . Every other team in baseball is supplementing the Rangers right now, so they have no business taking on Lee’s salary.”
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
He is being paid about $4M, right?
down to $1.5 with what the M’s tossed in?
by msb on Jul 9, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
But we're paying his salary..or most of it.
I fucking hate you Mariners
DON'T ARGUE WITH THEM
THEY’RE THE YANKEES AND THEY’RE ALWAYS RIGHT AND IF THEY AREN’T WHO CARES THEY’LL JUST THROW BAGS OF MONEY AT THE PROBLEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE BAGS AND BAGS OF MONEY
And BOXES and BOXES of Snickers Ice Cream Bars, which is probably more valuable anyways…
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
Huh, haven't they had a rule since 2002 where 40% of privately funded stadium costs are deducted from the payroll tax?
If so the Yankees can suck it if they want to cry foul over this one.
We're paying the majority of his salary, so they can bite me.
"If for any reason you're not completely satisfied, I hate you."
They are the Yankees. They have no claim to the excuse "We don't have the resources".
If the Yankees really wanted Lee they could have added players, money, broadway tickets or any number of things.
They are just trying to make the other team (the Mariners) look bad. The Yankees do this every single time they don’t get their way.
IT'S BASIC ENTITLEMENT THINKING
NY IS FULL OF IT.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
SERIOUSLY, AS SOON AS THAT SONG CAME OUT MY MIND WENT
“GREAT, NOW I’M GOING TO SEE THAT IN COMMERCIALS FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS”
AT LEAST I DON’T HAVE A TV HERE. PLUS I HEAR THAT KEYS IS ACTUALLY A PRETTY COOL PERSON.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes
Her voice and piano skills are otherworldly.
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I remember when she did the duet with Colbert on his show.
As much as I oppose the song on principle, that was pretty special.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not just the rapping, but the content of the rapping.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I never really liked that song.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I am so glad to have Met Cliff when he played in Tacoma
This is an amazing day, but glad to have had him as long as we did.
It will be an MLB decree
he gets a half-season with every team from here on out to rekindle the nation’s passion in baseball
by aguay on Jul 9, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'm fully cognizant of that fact.
Is it worth not seeing Justin Smoak’s awesome swing for 6 years? Probably not.
Just wait for the playoffs, you might change your mind.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
From Divish's Twitter:
So the Yankees are upset at the Mariners? It’s a business. Go ask a Cavaliers fan and see if they feel sorry for them.
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 2:52 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Divish is just my favorite.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I <3 DIVISH
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
might they be pissed...
because they feel their deal is better, and also butt hurt because their evil empire plans of galaxial domination were thwarted? They offered up their best prospect, and he still went to a potential post-season rival.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 9, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm just not that upset about losing Lowe and the $2.5M
Because, I mean how do we know Lowe is even gonna come back and be good again? And big whoop on $2.5M.
You're dead to me.
Totally agree.
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
IT STINGS, BUT BASICALLY DOES NOT MATTER IN THE GREATER SCHEME OF THINGS
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I keep thinking of Lowe as the nice useful guy, but he is out for the season, so there is that.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
USSM says Smoak > Montero
Since Beavan and McAllister are basically the same, and Leuke fits the team’s needs better than Adams, is this just a question of how you value Smoak’s defense vs. Montero’s offensive ceiling?
AT THIS POINT, I TAKE SMOAK
BECAUSE HE’S IN THE TOP TIER OF FIRST BASEMEN AND A GREAT DEFENDER AT PRESENT. MONTERO’S ULTIMATE DEFENSIVE POSITION IS AN UNKNOWN AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A TOP 5-20 HITTER IN THE LEAGUE AND A POTENTIAL (KEYWORD) TOP FIVE DOESN’T SEEM LIKE IT’S WORTH FIGHTING OVER.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
So who's gonna be the first to buy a Smoak jersey?
by Eyebrows on Jul 9, 2010 2:55 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Don't know his number yet.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
My prediction...
Not the last deal the Mariners do. The other three guys are filler, means they have some “surplus” built up. I expect another deal like the Pirates deal last year by the trade deadline to go with Branyan.
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I expect Branyan is going to be dealt
He suddenly doesn’t really have a place anymore
Determined, Jonesing Commentor
in the American League...
they use the Designated Hitter.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 9, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
surprisingly...
for a guy with a wonky back, Branyan is easier to keep in the batter’s box than Bradley.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 9, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, but that salary...
Plus, having a solid DH isn’t really important for a last place team. If we could get something useful for Branyan, I don’t see why they wouldn’t trade him.
(Then again, it’s weird that they traded for him.)
Please capitalize the start of your comments
You have a habit of not
Sure
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 9, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
and before you say it
Muscle > GameBoard
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 9, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Plus we love him and his smile more than anyone else could.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
he's not...
uncuttable… and the Cubs proved last year he’s not untradeable. That’s how the Mariners got him.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 9, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
In a trade of sunk costs
The situation just happened to work for both sides. Gonna be hard as hell to replicate it.
It worked...
because the Mariners are run by a genius. It’s possible he could do it again. Maybe not get “as good a deal”, but have it work out better than this one. Who knows?
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 9, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I have no doubt that Branyan is going somewhere else soon.
Or Bradley – but you can’t do much with him. You gotta open up 1B for Smoak.
by seattlesundevil on Jul 9, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Isn't Bradley still out?
If so, why not just end Kotchman and move Branyan to DH?
by Rollo Tomasi on Jul 9, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
that's...
where they’ve been playing Branyan anyway.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 9, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for the tip
Professor.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 9, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
LL rules, not the professor's.
"If for any reason you're not completely satisfied, I hate you."
Didn't say otherwise...
just said thanks for the tip.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 9, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm curious
Phillippe Aumont, Tyson Gillies, J.C. Ramirez
…or…
Smoak, Beavan, Lawson, Lueke.
Which group is better?
That'd actually be just about fair.
Hrm
by Graham MacAree on Jul 9, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow, when you put it that way.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Including Smoak in that isn't fair.
Obviously we got useful things for three months of Lee, which is really, really cool.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
This is how I choose to look at this trade.
The Yankee’s may have offered a better deal, but we got a better deal than Philly did so we’re stronger now then we were before Lee. Of course that doesn’t make the loss of Lee any easier.
So will Lee be making first first Rangers appearance at the ASG?
Has this happened before?
by Eyebrows on Jul 9, 2010 2:58 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
correct
He was the Reds only rep at all-star game that year too. They added… drum roll… Bret Boone to the team as an injury replacement to make up for it.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 9, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Beltran, too.
Someone mentioned it on a baseball broadcast the other day. Was traded from the Royals to the Mets after being named to the All-Star game, and appeared in the game as a Met.
by nathaniel dawson on Jul 9, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Chris Davis instead?
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Do they have any other MLB ready 1st base options?
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Not quite
Mitch Moreland could theoretically be ready soon.
More likely, they’ll have to go outside the organization to address it.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
And yes, I know he sucks.
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
He doesn't actually suck
Josh Wilson at 1B sucks.
by Edgar for Pres on Jul 9, 2010 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
So...
did Texas keep Smoak in AAA long enough this season to keep his service time down?
yes
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
Looks like it
He’ll probably go Super Two, though. Still, that’s better than only five more years.
by nathaniel dawson on Jul 9, 2010 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Absolutely. I think some are overlooking this undertone to the trade.
I fucking hate you Mariners
I also wonder if the Rangers believe they'll sign him after the season.
Smoak is a really hefty price to pay for a rental. This is a big deflation of their talent pool, more than just the $$ and back-side of Lee’s career.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
I'm pretty sure that's the only defence here
by Graham MacAree on Jul 9, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah, yes... but what about the defenses?
I can't resist clicking "Rec" when I see a post with four [of them] already.
by thehemogoblin on Jul 9, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't know, it's not like this closes the gap between the teams and there are two other teams the M's still have to be better than in the division.
I’d say the value of making a single team worse is awfully small.
Depends...
on who they get to replace him. Texas has done pretty well with first basemen over the years.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 9, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
For you Twitter guys
Lueke is on Twitter: @Josh_Lueke
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
Interesting:
Had a blast at the rangers game, great seats saw and talked to my old pitching coord rick adair all in all great night
Also, Lueke apparently liked Griffey as a kid
Unoriginal, but nice:
WOW Griffey Jr. What a great and very long career man, congrats.. Was a blast being able to watch you as I was growing up !!!!
♥♥♥ You may be Cameron's #6org ♥♥♥
♥♥♥ But you’ll always be my #1. ♥♥♥
...and now I'm here
by CapSea on Jul 9, 2010 3:03 PM PDT reply actions 6 recs
Awww...
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Nolan Ryan
Looks smug in this press conference
It looks like Rick Adair was Leuke's old pitching "coord"
Had a blast at the rangers game, great seats saw and talked to my old pitching coord rick adair all in all great night -via twitter
maybe they see something more in him
I picked todays game to see Cliff Lee
And now we’re gonna see David Pauley start? Really?
Realistically, Lee was never going to pitch for us today.
I’m a bit surprised it took this long to trade him.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
Wow, we're gonna get shelled tonight
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
So as someone suggested above
maybe Pineda was involved in the NY deal… which is the rationale I’m going to use to make myself feel better if Montero develops into something between Pujols and Miggy Cabrera
I generally prefer my rationale to make sense
by Graham MacAree on Jul 9, 2010 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, yeah, I know...
I just wanna be ecstatic about Smoak but it’s hard when there’s the possibility that Montero develops into a monster and we know we could have gotten him. Stupid twitter
Oof.
Although I’m not sure I loved the idea of Pineda getting rushed up.
"If for any reason you're not completely satisfied, I hate you."
I'll take the inevitable loss from a Pauley start than risk messing up Pineda by rushing him.
Milton Bradley apologist
by sanford_and_son on Jul 9, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Especially since this season is down the shitter already.
Milton Bradley apologist
by sanford_and_son on Jul 9, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
msb is is actually Prometheus. No choice.
by Decatur on Jul 9, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like this for its double meaning.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
We got two classical mythology references into these trade threads.
Go team.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
DONGS
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Besides, it's not Greek mythology without someone getting their bone on.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
STARTED YESTERDAY
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Fuck that
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh boy...
This game is going to be depressing.
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Smoak in...
Is he our everyday 1B now? Branyan to DH? thoughts?
Muscle...
was already our DH. Kotchman to complete uselessness… and just as he was starting to turn it around a little.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 9, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I have a hard time believing the specifics of the Montero deal were accurate or complete.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 9, 2010 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
It didn't pass the smell test
There had to be something else, something non-negligible, coming from our end.
Sounds like we need diapers.
by Eyebrows on Jul 9, 2010 3:16 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
The Smoak rumors weren't passing the smell test either because of Mark Lowe.
I fully believe the offer was on the table, I just think Jack might have wanted to use it as leverage.
by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 9, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
This is why getting all worked up over trade rumors is a bad idea
You’re operating on incomplete/potentially false information. I’d think if they had the Montero/Adams/McAllister deal on the table with no other players included, they easily take it over what the Rangers offered, because it’s clearly better to even a casual observer. That they didn’t probably suggests that wasn’t the extent of the deal.
I don't think you can say that.
Until they’ve both actually played in the majors. Smoak appears to be a much better fit for our team.
I meant that while Montero has more potential/higher ceiling.
I thought it was agreed that Smoak is ready now, is a natural first baseman, switch hitter (fits to safeco better).
Smoak's ready now, but who cares?
Montero isn’t that far from ready. People are acting like Montero is some guy hacking away in A ball. He’ll be ready to contribute at the major league level next year.
And struggle initially and be nearly excommunicated from the Holy House that Ruth built?
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Josh Wilson!
Dissenting opinions are welcome, and should be encouraged, at Lookout Landing. -LL Style Guide
I'm having difficulty evaluating this, so please correct me if I'm wrong.
Montero’s ceiling appears to be higher, but players don’t always hit their ceilings. Smoak has the advantages of switch-hitting, defense, and having an established position. Right?
I’m a just a little wary of falling completely in love with ceiling without paying attention to probably outcomes, and from the little I’m able to understand it seems that Smoak is a surer bet.
Certainly if anybody's ceiling is worth falling in love with, it's Montero's.
And high ceilings are so, so sexy.
Well that seems... completely wrong.
I get that Montero has great power but Miguel Cabrera nearly hit a ball out of Safeco earlier this year.
Miggy would have been around 65-70ish, I imagine
by Graham MacAree on Jul 9, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
It happens almost never, as we've said.
Montero and Harper were the only ones Graham or I could remember.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Montero has as much or more power than anyone in baseball
by Graham MacAree on Jul 9, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I did not realize this was the case.
You are making me sad, which is odd considering we just traded for a player I never dreamed was in our range.
This is how quite a few people are feeling
Especially weird since I’ve lusted hard after Smoak for quite a while.
From what I've heard, yes
Obviously I am not a scout, etc
by Graham MacAree on Jul 9, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Smoak just isn't the hitting prospect that Montero is, in my mind.
First base defense is nice but not THAT important, and you can only be so risk-averse if you’re going to build a great team.
I need to spend more time looking into the other prospects we got, but I don’t like it as much as the Yankees deal that apparently ran into a snag over Adams’ injury?
You know more about prospects than I do, so I have no ammunition with which to craft a convincing argument.
On one point, though – you say “First base defense is nice but not THAT important.”
Not necessarily related to Smoak/Montero, but isn’t the mantra that a run saved is a run saved regardless of position? I thought I understood that a +5 1B is as valuable as a +5 SS, but that it’s harder to make that difference at a position on the lower side of the defensive spectrum. I just remember USSM/LL dismissing people who didn’t think that Sexson’s defensive hackery at 1B was particularly important.
That's true, but first basemen get many less opportunities than most other defensive positions.
It’s a nice value-add to an already good player. It’s not something you acquire a player for.
In 2011 the Rangers will have neither Cliff Lee or Justin Smoak. And we will have Justin Smoak.
Forget all the other bullshit and just focus on that.
by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 9, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Texas, no Smoak
Mariners, SMOAK!
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
We now have a cornerstone MOTO bat at a position of need who is under club control for six years.
He is also unlikely to experience a Safeco Swoon due to switch-hittingness, and we won’t experience a big drop-off in 1B defense from Kotchman, meaning we can keep Branyan or trade him as we wish.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
The Rangers, who look like the best baseball team in the West for the next several years...
just traded a division rival one of their best young talents for a rental player and a bad back reliever. I just think the “making the Rangers of the future worse” angle is being played down in this. If you suppose the front office thinks the Rangers are the front runners in the division going forward, hurting them and getting better at the same time seems to make more sense then just fleecing the Yankees. Or not fleecing the Yankees, since we don’t know what else was included in that deal.
by Drew_D on Jul 9, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
Amen.
Well put.
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Though to be fair to the Rangers
they are not idiots and they don’t know what 2011 will bring. They have a legitimate shot at their first World Series this year and doing everything they can to win it is not a bad plan, even if it harms them next year and the year after.
...and now I'm here
Rings do some great things money wise and attendance wise.
The money they get from a WS win probably makes this worth it.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Their goal is to win for the city/state.
They can do that here. That’s not nothing.
...and now I'm here
Fuck, then we become the only AL team without a pennant.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
They want a World Series
And expect to face the Yankees in the post season. Cliff Lee owns the Yankees.
Cliff Lee owns everyone, but valid point.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't either
Though it certainly improves their chances quite a bit.
They have a very good offense, defense and bullpen. It was the starting pitching that was the problem.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
Realistically, though
The Rangers will probably raise their salary from that of a bottom 5 club, whenever it is that this ownership mess gets sorted out. At that point, I expect them to pursue a 1B either through trade or FA and give extensions to players like Elvis.
My point is that, while this hurts quite a bit, they’ll still be a talented team with money to spend in the next couple of years.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
Yes, in the fantasyland where Montero is a catcher.
by Eyebrows on Jul 9, 2010 3:15 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Nice work.
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
This is basically how the Yankees fan mind operates.
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
It's probably hard to be sad when your smart, spendy behemoth just keeps on rolling.
by Eyebrows on Jul 9, 2010 3:18 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
They basically have adopted the "well fuck that guy" approach whenever anything does not go their way.
With a dash of “we’ll get x anyway!”
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep
The comment during Josh Hamilton’s HR Derby at Yankee Stadium was something like “Yankee fans are cheering because they know he’ll be a Yankee in a few years anyways!”
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
Get raped by a wolverine.
Fuckers.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm sure they'll face each other some time during their careers.
Maybe even in 2011, if Montero makes the bigs and Lee is still pitching in the American League.
by nathaniel dawson on Jul 9, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
But what eye candy he is!
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe trade-bait for SF?
They wanted a lefty hitter who wouldn’t cost ML talent, or at least that’s what I remember reading on MLBTR.
I’m ambivalent on trading or keeping him.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
Kotchman seems the most superfluous now
I don’t think we could expect much in return, but we might be able to get something that makes up for what we gave up to get Branyan.
by nathaniel dawson on Jul 9, 2010 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope.
Montero had only one opposite field home run all of last season, but he has the kind of power where not even Safeco Field will really affect him all that much. He might lose a few at the track, but that’s about it.
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you have any idea what Nick Johnsons offensive ceiling was like when he was a top prospect for the Yankees?
I address this to anyone else too by the way.
by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 9, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Approach and patience were his calling cards.
He was #1 prospect for BA three years running, but there wasn’t anyone who was making claims that he had 80 power. That’s a claim that’s almost never made.
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I've heard of two, I think
Harper and Montero
by Graham MacAree on Jul 9, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Those were the two I think I've heard, ever.
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
"Jesus gonna be heeeeeeeeeeere, he gonnna be here thoon."
(two off-beat guitar strums)
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Curious.
Anyone know what Sexson’s power grade was back in his hey-day?
Close to 80, I think.
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Please help explain the difference
between a 75 power grade and 80?
Go Fo Broke!
5 points.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Difference between Mark Teixeira and
Ryan Howard I believe. Howard being the 80.
Nicely played.
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Jay, what do you know about the other guys in the deal, if anything?
I’m not finding a whole lot.
It's been partially addressed elsewhere.
Beavan was a top prep prospect who had mechanical adjustments that cost him some velocity. Incredible command, not a lot in the way of Ks at the moment. He’s like Fister except that he has some potential to add velocity down the road and is a bit bigger.
Leuke has a questionable background, but powerful stuff and could easily replace Lowe as far as our system depth go.
Lawson is basically some guy who hits respectably and seems capable of providing above-average defense at second. He’s partly insurance if Ackley doesn’t work out, I would say. More likely he’s a future utility at best.
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
So... 2011
Ichiro – RF
Chone – 3B
Ackley – 2B
Smoak – 1B
Guti – CF
Saunders – LF
Moore – C
Wilson – SS
? – DH
Just got a bit more promising I think.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
DH - Muscle?
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Thought it was a 1 year contract?
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
There's an option.
Likely to get exercised.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
Picking it up would save us the trouble of having to trade for him again next July.
"Abtholoootleee"
by Floyd Gondoli on Jul 9, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I think he has an option for 5 million
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
If I remember correctly
There’s a $5 mil option for next year.
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Well then insert him at four and I begin to like it a bit.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm still scared of his back though.
Every time he swings, I think it might go out. But yes, he’d be serviceable in the four-hole next year.
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Put it this way Branyan or a Branyan type player with 5 million spent on that position.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Woo?
I’ve lost confidence in Bradley :(
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I can't imagine he'd bring back anything more than maybe a C prospect
Or am I off base with that assumption?
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Depends on who else is available.
He’s shown he’s healthy and can still hit, who knows what Z can get.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Very true.
And a $5 mil option for next year would be attractive for anyone looking to trade for him. SF perhaps?
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Woudn't it have maybe made sense to include him in this trade to Texas?
by Edgar for Pres on Jul 9, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe.
And maybe Texas wasn’t interested in him. I believe that Branyan and Chris Davis are fairly similar players.
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
They don't need him as far as I can tell.
And with their financial situation it was probably in their best interest to keep the trade as tidy as possible.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Branyan's salary is being paid for by the Indians this year.
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
To the M's. They could have kept the money the Indians gave them and traded Branyan anyway.
I can't resist clicking "Rec" when I see a post with four [of them] already.
by thehemogoblin on Jul 9, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah well fuck.
Shows how much I know about MLB salaries.
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't mind another catching prospect
Every time you masturbate... God kills a kitten? Fuck kittens.
by Matt Erickson on Jul 9, 2010 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Deadline tradebait I think
It’s gettng crowded around first base, and Saunders is looking too valuable to not have in left. That doesn’t leave a lot of room for Bradley and Branyan will have value at the deadline.
Bradley, last I heard, is still injured.
But you do make a solid point.
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for the link
More rec for you
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
Just when I was thinking of leaving the cafe.
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Jack's coming off defensive against the NY media.
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't blame him.
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
How was the nap?
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Now that he's gone I feel I can say this freely.
I have always thought Mark Lowe sucked and I hated watching him.
...and now I'm here
by CapSea on Jul 9, 2010 3:38 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Liberating, isn't it?
I think a lot of the goodwill towards Lowe as based off his original debut.
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Packaging him with the deal makes this deal better than if he was not a part of it.
...and now I'm here
I'm tempted to agree.
There’s a strong likelihood that this doesn’t end up going the way the Rangers would want it to.
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
How long is he under club control?
Plus the injury thing.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
This was his first year of arbitration.
So two, I think.
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm starting to feel better about this trade.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, so.
I’ll give a bunch of rec’s to anyone who can make me a good LOST-Smoak Monster .gif.
What about a Smoaky the bear?
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That sounds like Scruffy Work.
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I want to see him put out the fires that a cracked out Josh Hamilton started
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Needs a baseball glove or something.
I can't resist clicking "Rec" when I see a post with four [of them] already.
by thehemogoblin on Jul 9, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
That's the only one I could find while doing a Google search.
I’d like to see it blasting out of the forest, angry, with the name “Smoak” displayed prominently.
It's been done, but thanks.
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
The Smoak puns are really going to get old
But I really hope Feierabend makes the team next year. Sportswriters will love that shit.
Roughly, yes.
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
It's always party night with Feierabend.
I can't resist clicking "Rec" when I see a post with four [of them] already.
by thehemogoblin on Jul 9, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice work.
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I think I might go out for a cigarette after the presser is done.
HAY GUYZ GUESS WHAT I’LL BE DOING WITH THAT CIGARETTE?
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
Getting lung cancer?
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lighting it?
Sucking on it?
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Enjoying smooth flavor of Laramie cigarettes
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
Question mark
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
It's actually a leftover pack of cloves, but whatever.
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
You hipster, you.
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I've moved on to American Spirits as my go-to, so I've maintained some of my street cred.
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm disappointed in all of you.
Not one of you suggested that I would be eating it.
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I watched a woman do that at a party.
Fucking nasty
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by beastwarking on Jul 9, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Appropriate response for beer, but no.
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
More interesting than bLoweing Smoak am I rite?
by ThundaPC on Jul 9, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It makes me Leuke cool.
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Lueke.
That’s going to take some getting used to.
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Jack really likes consemating things
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
I never said that he succeeds
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
I'm happy in part because the Yankees would have made him shave.
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
LEEve
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
He's still sort of smiling?
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
On occasion. When someone asks a dumb question.
Fuck the Angels
God Cliff Lee just seems like such a cool dude and is an amazing pitcher
I’m going to miss him so much :(
He's probably the only person I know who could make "I'm a Ranger now" sound vaguely cool.
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I couldn't remember him saying that but the possibility is open.
I only hope that this does not spawn a “Cliff Lee Facts” meme.
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I just want to hang out with him and have him teach me about life
We could drink beer together, maybe go to a concert, maybe hold hands and watch the sunset.
by ungoreatstefan on Jul 9, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he should take up the guitar.
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
And what a singing voice, I mean seriously.
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
YOU GET THE FUCK OFF, HES MINE
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Realistically you can have him
I just know he would break my heart in the worst way.
by ungoreatstefan on Jul 9, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Listening to Jack....
sounds like he thinks Smoak needs some AB’s in AAA….or at least he’s laying the foundation to justify sending him to AAA.
Anyone know his super two status off-hand?
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Long ways from that....
He wouldn’t even have 1 year after this season. This is all free time at the moment.
I know that.
I merely raise it as a suggestion because I think it might factor into Jack’s decision-making there.
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
If he never gets sent down to the minors, wouldn't he be almost assured of being a super-two?
He just missed the cut-off by maybe 10 or 12 days this year, so by 2013, he’ll have two years plus about 160 days. I think that would just about clinch it for him.
by nathaniel dawson on Jul 9, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I think so.
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Cliff Lee pitching for the Rangers may aid us in the Rendon sweepstakes.
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Cole then.
Fuck the Yankees twice over.
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Seriously, we have to really suck it up to reach that level.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
It's unrealistic.
The Orioles could call up Tillman though.
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
In that case I hope the entire team contracts AIDS and those who have it get rabies.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Wasn't he up earlier this year?
Or was that last year?
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes.
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Uhh... to which question?
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
That was my way of saying that both were accurate.
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Tricky tricky.
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Positives!!
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn....
Jack just said on KIRO that Cortes was throwing 99 the other day.
I know Cortes has no clue where the ball is going, but we got him for Yuni.
In his last five starts....
Cortes has had good to great command in three and walked seven in two.
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Fucking hilarious.
We got a living breathing player for Yuni.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
We used to have two.
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
He hasn't pitched all season, it's possible.
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Stick him in the pen.
At WTN, I mean. He’s never gonna be a starter. We can hope for David Aardsma.
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 9, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
See my comment about about his last five starts.
Most of the season, I would agree with you. Now, I’m wondering a bit.
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Make those spin and we'll talk.
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions
The non-smoakies are all going to WTN....
So are we reasonably certain that Ackley is headed to Tacoma?
If you're assuming that Lawson to West Tenn.
It’s possible he could end up in High Desert for a little while. Their infield has been hurting lately.
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Accoring to the Omnipotent one...
all 3 are going to WTN.
Not surprising really.
The Jaxx have really be struggling with their pitching lately since Pineda was called up. This gives the double-A team a better chance to compete. Just saying.
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I was looking forward to seeing Lee off at Safeco today.
And now MLB.com lists David Pauley as the probable.
Sigh…
Are you in an abusive relationship with the Seattle Mariners?
I work next door to a bar
And right as I was leaving a friend of mine who works there came in and told me the trade to Texas. My first thought was no, not Texas, ANYONE but Texas (even the Yankees would have been better), but my second thought was if they did trade him to a division rival, they had to have gotten an absolute pile in return. I’m not looking forward to Lee pitching against the Mariners this year, which is all but assured with him going to a division rival. Chances are probably good he’ll pitch in Seattle some time, which is gonna suck. I was hoping for Smoak and Saltalamacchia to be among the haul if the trade was with Texas. I trust Zdurencik enough that these three other guys are potential stars, so this could wind up being a great, great trade.
No, probably not
I’d rather have had Salt than the other three, but I guess our farm system isn’t exactly brimming with depth at the moment and some more low MLB-level/ high AAA-level talent helps. This also gives us something else to include as secondary pieces in any other trade we go after.
Where's the Salt love coming from?
Salty and Chris Davis could take turns keeping each other cool with how often they fan.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 9, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Can't decide if I would rather have been here for this mess or not
I left thinking the Yankees had him and we had an awesome deal. I’m having trouble processing this all at once.
I think Beaven is as good as McAllister, personally. Leuke certainly runs some sick K rates and could be in our pen next year. Still prefer the Yankees deal but it’s easy to be allured by the huge potential of Montero.
Dave and Churchill both seem to prefer this deal, interestingly.
A lot of people like Smoak more than Montero (including, I would assume, Z), despite Montero being much higher ranked as a prospect.
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 9, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm also in that boat.
It’s strange because the three of us aren’t generally in agreement, I don’t think.
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by JY on Jul 9, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Blah.
The longer I look at Beavan’s K rate, the less I like this trade (compared to the original).
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 9, 2010 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Well...
McAllister’s K rate was bad as well and Beaven walks less and seems to get more groundballs.
I’d say Beaven > McAllister.
Yes.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions
That is just it, Montero was ranked higher by sportswriters
Obviously, the Mariners scouts and Z have different ideas.
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