New Cliff Lee Bonanza Open Thread
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 9, 2010 1:32 PM PDT
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PrintYankees? No Yankees. Rangers. Time for all of us to shift focus over to one switch-hitting Justin Smoak.
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WE ARE HAVING A FUCKING FIRE DRILL RIGHT NOW!?
ARE YOU KIDDING!
FLAMES?
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
THERE'S A SAYING IN ENGLAND
WHERE THERE’S SMOAK, THERE’S BONERS
by Decatur on Jul 9, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
OH BABY.
GIMME SUMMA DAT.
Brett Anderson is the Truth. Brett Anderson is divine presence. Brett Anderson is eternal life. Brett Anderson is within you. Brett Anderson is here. Brett Anderson is Now.
by Frederick0220 on Jul 9, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Look at those eyes.....
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
The Yankees aren't even a baseball team.
He made it all up. You believed that stuff about Ruth and DiMaggio!? He’s that good.
by Eyebrows on Jul 9, 2010 1:39 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
One thing that I take away from this
I wouldn’t want to play poker with Jack Z.
Karma police, arrest this man.
RANGERS VS REDS
Ken_Rosenthal #Reds have spoken “extensively” to M’s about Lee over last 48 hrs, source tells FOXSports.com’s Jon Paul Morosi. #Rangers also in. #MLB
Danny Rey Herrera + Dusty Baker's toothpick
Brett Anderson is the Truth. Brett Anderson is divine presence. Brett Anderson is eternal life. Brett Anderson is within you. Brett Anderson is here. Brett Anderson is Now.
by Frederick0220 on Jul 9, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
He still is the Truth.
Brett Anderson is the Truth. Brett Anderson is divine presence. Brett Anderson is eternal life. Brett Anderson is within you. Brett Anderson is here. Brett Anderson is Now.
by Frederick0220 on Jul 9, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Votto is more valuable than Cliff Lee
So wouldn’t this make them worse now and in the future
by Edgar for Pres on Jul 9, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
THE REDS DON'T HAVE MANY PROSPECTS THAT INSPIRE BONERS FROM ME
HOWEVER, THEY DO HAVE TEAM CONTROLLED TALENT THAT IS GOOD NOW AND IF YOU WANTED TO SHIFT UP THE REBUILDING TIMETABLE THAT’S A QUICK WAY OF DOING IT.
IT DOES NOT HOWEVER FUCK OVER ANYONE IN OUR LEAGUE/DIVISION
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I prefer to think of GMs as Z's fuck buddies.
Going once to the fat fuck with the bank. Going twice—-
Daniels: Smoak is bigger than the bank!
Going once to the fuck buddy who made this a threesome!…
M's fan in PA, soon to be LA
From TR Sullivan..DMN
Rangers officials were scratching their heads Friday morning as to why the Mariners would have taken a deal that included catcher Jesus Montero and second baseman David Adams.
The Rangers believe they could have offered a much better package in that trade and were prepared to do so.
The Mariners want Justin Smoak but club officials have indicated the Rangers aren’t interested in doing that. They have told people who have asked they aren’t inclined to trade Smoak. They will obviously move first baseman Chris Davis, who is leading the PCL in hitting.
Jarrod Saltalamacchia would satisfy the Mariners need for a catcher. The Rangers also have outfielder Engel Beltre at Double A Frisco. From a pitching standpoint, the Rangers are deep, beginning with Derek Holland, Omar Beltre and Blake Beavan at the top of the Minor League depth chart and going all the way down.
They just don’t want to talk about Tanner Scheppers or Martin Perez.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Engel Beltre would be amazing right? Would that be better or worse than Smoak?
by Edgar for Pres on Jul 9, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok must have mistaked him for some other prospect
by Edgar for Pres on Jul 9, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
You are thinking about Adrian Beltre.
Talented 3rd baseman but his offensive year is really being helped by the green monster. Going to be a free agent after this year. Wouldn’t make this deal.
by Robert on Jul 9, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
actually... he is one of the latest helium guys
will most likely end up in the 30-75 range in the next BA list in the spring
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
He's starting to produce
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
No
Omar Beltre and Ogando got caught in a scam where they were going to ‘marry’ women and bring them to the US when they came over.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
buh?
The reason the Mariners would take that deal is because Montero is better than anyone in their system. Only Smoak is comparable. Also, Salty isn’t very good.
cameron thinks differently
d_a_cameron
@BtB_Sky Be surprised if M’s made a deal with Tex and didn’t get Salty.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
SALTY HAS THE YIPS, BUT I THINK THAT IT WOULD EVENTUALLY WORK OUT OF HIS SYSTEM
IF HE BECAME THE STEVE SAX OF BACKSTOPS THAT WOULD JUST BE… UNPRECEDENTED, I GUESS
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
STEVE BLASS, I MEAN
I’VE ALWAYS GOTTEN THE TWO CONFUSED
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow.
“Rangers officials were scratching their heads Friday morning as to why the Mariners would have taken a deal that included catcher Jesus Montero and second baseman David Adams. The Rangers believe they could have offered a much better package in that trade and were prepared to do so.”
That Montero deal sounded so good that it’s hard to imagine anybody scratching their heads about it.
MONTERO IS ONE OF THE BEST PROSPECTS IN THE LEAGUE, BUT THE RANGERS HAVE THE BEST FARM SYSTEM
IT’S A SLIGHT EXAGGERATION THAT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE RANGERS HAVING AN EMBARRASSMENT OF RICHES AT THE MOMENT.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
NOW WE WILL BE THE ONES THAT ARE EMBARRASSED WITH OUR RICHES!
by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 9, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I WILL DO MY BEST TO HIDE MY EMBARASSMENT
Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.
by JAH on Jul 9, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
TREASURE BATH!
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Jack is holding baseball by the balls
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
't trade Scheppers till a year after his signing
That would be September 17.
http://rangersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/09/rangers-scheppers-agree.html
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON
FIRST MONTERO NOW SMOAK?
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
WE HAVE A 5 HOUR 30 MINUTE CLOCK BEFORE HE STARTS AGAINST THE YANKEES.
PROGRESS PROGRESS PROGRESS.
M's fan in PA, soon to be LA
NOT IF WE USE VOODOO
Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.
by JAH on Jul 9, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Proposal: We avoid posting constant reactions to absolutely nothing in order to maintain a somewhat reasonable thread.
by abender20 on Jul 9, 2010 1:40 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
That would be so unlike us
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 9, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
There were 2000 posts about sandwiches at a pretend bar yesterday
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 9, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
So you're saying that we need to get these threads above 2000?
Ok then.
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Bullshit.
Aron is a regular and he has every right to express his feelings about the quality of this thread. And the quality of this thread largely sucks.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 9, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Meh.
Every once in a while it’s fun to watch this place go bananas. Not every thread needs to be the model of peak content.
You're dead to me.
The place has been going bananas since 8 AM
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 9, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Which is part of what makes it fun.
You're dead to me.
by Goose on Jul 9, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
WE HAVE ENTERED THAT AWKWARD STATE WHERE THERE IS NO LONGER ANY NEWS TO GET EXCITED OVER AND THINGS AREN'T HAPPENING FAST ENOUGH
IN DEFERENCE TO THE PHANTOM TOLLBOOTH, I WANTED TO REFER TO IT AS “THE DOLDRUMS” BUT THAT DOES NOT SEEM TONALLY APPROPRIATE FOR THE KIND OF RESPONSES WE ARE HAVING
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, these threads are about to cause my work computer to crash
-Brett Gleason
-Daily Evergreen Staff Sports Writer
by Brett the 49er on Jul 9, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Goddamnit
Fucking voice of reason.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I THINK WE ARE BEYOND THAT
In all seriousness, at this point I really do think it’d be like trying to lasso a tornado.
Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.
by JAH on Jul 9, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I understand the sentiment but LL has a long history of freakout threads
Anyone who doesn’t enjoy this is perfectly free to just hang out on Twitter.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 9, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Opened that at work.
Well played. I thought you were joking with the picture title.
by LonelyintheBleachers on Jul 9, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes.
It’s not people getting excited about exciting things it’s people typing in all caps despite nothing going on.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 9, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Ehh, that isn't really how these things work
Only difference between now and the old rumor threads is that we have more readers.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 9, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
REMEMBER IN THE WINTER MEETINGS WHEN DAVE TOLD US NOT TO BREAK THE USSM SERVER AND SO WE BROKE TWITTER'S?
THAT WAS A GREAT TIME TO BE ALIVE
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I still can't believe we broke Twitter.
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
THIS IS BIGGER THAN GETTING CLIFF LEE!
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
Imagine if Z announced at this second we signed an extension.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
The Rangers have sat 2 starters a night the last 2 days and Smoak has been set against the occasional LHP but...
Evan_P_Grant
Smoak not in #Rangers lineup tonight. Arias at 1B vs. Lefty. Matchup or just in case of completing Lee deal?
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
look at his splits,,
been having a tough time against good lefties
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
THEY SHOULD STILL BE PLAYING HIM ANYWAY, I WOULD THINK
PROSPECTS DON’T RANDOMLY PICK UP SKILLS UNLESS THEY HAVE REASON TO. UNLESS, OF COURSE, THEY’RE FELIX AND JUST HAVE A 70-80 SLIDER THEY’RE SITTING ON BECAUSE IT’S FUNNY
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
THE HANDLING OF SAUNDERS EARLY ON BY ONLY HAVING HIM PLAY AGAINST PITCHERS DESIGNED TO RUIN HIM WAS CERTAINLY ODD THOUGH
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I TRUST IT MORE THAN "THE PROCESS" AT LEAST
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Which might actually indicate he's got something really special ahead of him.
I swear that this team has done everything in its power to ruin each and every one of its up-and-coming position players offensively.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
NOT REALLY
OR AT LEAST NOT RECENTLY.
I WOULD ARGUE THAT TUI STILL INTRIGUES ME BECAUSE HE HAS THE ABILITY TO HIT TO ALL FIELDS. IT’S MERELY THAT HIS DEFENSE IS UNDENIABLY BAD WHEREVER YOU PUT HIM. SAUNDERS, AT NO POINT IN HIS CAREER, HAS DEMONSTRATED THAT ABILITY, SOMETHING THAT THE M’S BASICALLY DRILL INTO EVERY YOUNG PLAYER IN THE SYSTEM. IT’S AN INTERESTING CASE-BY-CASE STUDY THOUGH.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Given what we "think" we know, I would move towards the deal
Until I realize we don’t really know anything.
by seattlesundevil on Jul 9, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
LIke the Metalica song "Master of Puppets"
MASTER MASTER MASTER OF PUPPETS IS PULLING THE STRINGS
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
Gladiator Mice!
Yes! Yes! Die! Die! Die! I have everything and you have nothing!
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 9, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Works better with the image...
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 9, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey guys I think I know why the Mariners would want Scheppers.
by Robert on Jul 9, 2010 1:43 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
I don't get it
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
YES YES YES
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 9, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Davidoff says Yankees are out "for now"
May get back in…
Graham you may get your Jesus!
SMOAK ON THE WATER
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
Of course it was
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
Yankees will be like:
Should we hit him hard and try and lower his value for us, or get no-hit so the price is higher for the Rangers?
M's fan in PA, soon to be LA
I can't see any way that Lee makes the start tonight
Even if he isn’t dealt, I would hold him back.
by seattlesundevil on Jul 9, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Screw that noise
Cliff Lee’s line for tonight: 9IP, 15K, -1BB, 0H and Derek Jeter gets sucked in to a black hole.
LET'S HEAR IT FOR NEW YORK
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
What is the consensus projection
of Smoak in, say, five years?
Chipper Jones at best?
LISTEN TO THIS MAN
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Switch-hitting Jesus.
Not Jesus Montero.
Jesus Christ.
by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 9, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Excellent defensive first basemen, incredibly well-rounded bat.
Makes contact, very disciplined, above average pop.
Elite player, good bat.
by Graham MacAree on Jul 9, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I like Montero over Smoak because his bat could be so much more special
by Graham MacAree on Jul 9, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO SEE HOW MONTERO WOULD ADJUST DEFENSIVELY TO ANOTHER POSITION
AT PRESENT, SMOAK+ PROSPECTS MIGHT EDGE HIM BECAUSE SMOAK CAN SWITCH-HIT AND DEFEND AT A HIGH LEVEL
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't like Smoak + extras over Montero + extras
If it was Smoak + meaningful guy + extra, sure. Maybe.
by Graham MacAree on Jul 9, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
They can, of course
They just need to for me to be happy.
by Graham MacAree on Jul 9, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT THOUGH
WITH THE YANKEES WE WERE LOOKING AT (ELITE HITTER W/OUT A DEFENSIVE POSITION) + (STOPGAP 2B WITH MIDDLING DEFENSE HAVING A BREAKOUT YEAR) + #4 STARTER. WITH THE RANGERS, IT’S (ALL-STAR POTENTIAL FIRST BASEMAN) + ???? AND THOSE QUESTION MARKS, SHOULD THE RANGERS BE SERIOUS, HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO OUTDO THE YANKEES OVERALL PACKAGE QUITE EASILY. AND CRIPPLE THEM.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Never mind, Graham - now I'm seeing the subthread below.
I have received my necessary batch of education.
MONTERO'S BAT HAS A CEILING UNLIKE MOST OTHER BATS IN EXISTENCE
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
CORRECT. MOST OTHER BATS IN EXISTENCE HAVE WINGS.
A SELECT FEW HAVE HANDLES WITH KNOBS, BUT SURPRISINGLY NO HINGES.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
SOME OF THEM HAVE AXE HANDLES BUT EVERYONE IS AFRAID TO USE THEM
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
EXCEPT FOR BALD MEN WITH A PENCHANT FOR FISHING ON TELEVISION
WHILE SITTING IN THE SPORTING GOODS SECTION.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
ALSO GRABBING THE ASS OF OVERRATED LOCAL UTILITY PLAYERS
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
THIS IS TO SAY NOTHING OF HIS ABILITY TO INSPIRE A LEGION
OF FOLLOWERS TO POORLY IMITATE THE NATURAL EROSION OF HIS HAIRLINE IN EXCHANGE FOR FREE HOT DOGS AND UPPER DECK SEATS. OR HIS ABILITY TO GIVE GEORGE STEINBRENNER CHRONIC HEARTBURN, WHICH CANNOT BE OVERSTATED.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
HE WAS WHAT EVERY PLAYER WHO STAYS WITH ONE TEAM FOR MOST OF HIS CAREER SHOULD ASPIRE TO BE
NO DISRESPECT TO EDGAR, WHO IS WONDERFUL, BUT HE WAS ALWAYS THE HUMBLE, SOFT-SPOKEN, WISE FELLOW WHO GOT THE HITS AND NOT EXACTLY THE “PERSONALITY”, SO TO SPEAK
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
OH I AGREE. WITH A PLAYER LIKE BONE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN EASY
TO DIMINISH HIM, OR FOR HIM TO DIMINISH HIMSELF WITH THE FANS DURING A LOW POINT IN HIS SEASON/CAREER. HE ALWAYS ACTED LIKE A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY, NOT SOME PLACED-ON-A-PEDESTAL SPORTS FIGURE. HE WAS ALSO FLAWED, AND HAD NO PROBLEM EMBRACING THOSE FLAWS (BOTH PERSONAL AND PROFESSIONAL) WHICH MADE US LOVE HIM EVEN MORE.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
Good defense makes me think Z likes him better.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
It's first base, not sure it matters too much
Besides, big bats make everyone else better – pitchers have to work harder.
by Graham MacAree on Jul 9, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Well three team trade then.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I want to have a guy who can hit the shit out of the ball
I need some variety. All these no hit all glove guys are getting repetitive.
by Edgar for Pres on Jul 9, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Smoak is definitely not a no-hit guy
He can hit. He just doesn’t have Montero’s gigantic power
by Graham MacAree on Jul 9, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Shrug
That helps him some but Montero would be fine in Safeco too
by Graham MacAree on Jul 9, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Is there concerns about his ability to hit for power?
by Edgar for Pres on Jul 9, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
For normal power, no.
For big power, there’s some doubt.
by Graham MacAree on Jul 9, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
k
So we are thinking he could do something like 280/360/490 plus above average defense or something like that?
by Edgar for Pres on Jul 9, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup.
Could even hit for some more power down the road.
Dude has massive raw power.
Brett Anderson is the Truth. Brett Anderson is divine presence. Brett Anderson is eternal life. Brett Anderson is within you. Brett Anderson is here. Brett Anderson is Now.
by Frederick0220 on Jul 9, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the prognosis is more along the lines of
a Mark Teixeira/Edgar Martinez hybrid. The guy has truly plus-plus plate discipline.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
I remember hearing John Olerude as a comp when he was first drafted.
Smoak that is.
You're dead to me.
Right.
Smooth, masterful strike-zone control and high BA. Power to come, peak in the 30’s probably.
Combined with Ole’s glove and you’ve got yourself a potential MVP candidate.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
This.
Brett Anderson is the Truth. Brett Anderson is divine presence. Brett Anderson is eternal life. Brett Anderson is within you. Brett Anderson is here. Brett Anderson is Now.
by Frederick0220 on Jul 9, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Please refrain from...
Ahh fuck it.
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Rangers fan here
He’s Will Clark. Tremendous on-base skills, tons of hard contact, 25 HR power, very solid D.
If you steal him I will cut you.
And cry. a lot.
http://oursaviorchuck.ytmnd.com/
WE MAY STILL CRY ONCE LEE IS GONE
AT LEAST YOUR SEASON IS GOING WELL
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe this will help.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Awwww, Cliff....
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Mine too! High five!
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 9, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Go Sex!
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Baseball&word2=Sex
M's fan in PA, soon to be LA
Step out?
<UPDATE @1:46 PM PT Friday : You step outside for a little while and this happens. Deal is currently off — negotiations continue with the Rangers and Reds being mentioned the most — we’ll keep you post. Weird.
How the hell could he step out for a couple of hrs. I can’t stop staring at my computer screen.
Who is this from?
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
So what's going to happen to this site (or the M's blog-o-sphere) when this trade goes down?
Complete destruction?
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
Jesus was coming then things started Smoaking.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
Yankees, out. Texas, in.
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
No kidding.
Fuck Alonso.
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Almost there!
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Cliff+Lee&word2=Lebron+James
M's fan in PA, soon to be LA
Where at?
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
I think that might be related to the temperature.
Fuck the Angels
You're my hero
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
YOU SON OF A BITCH
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
YOU MAGNIFICENT BASTARD
Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.
by JAH on Jul 9, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
YESYEYSYESYYESYES
I WOULD RATHER BE WATCHING SOCCER -- Jeff Sullivan
Cracked.com is always a fun place to check out
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
That's where I found the bees
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
KNOWYOURMEME.COM
I HAVE LEARNED A GREAT DEAL ABOUT THESE INTERNETS THROUGH IT.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Not here!
Just the LL tab, Twitter tab and Brock and Salk on the stream.
by seattlesundevil on Jul 9, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I still think the best overall fit is Cinci
Cinci has expendable pieces
Would be a worthwhile splash to invigorate the ballclub and not have to rely as heaving on Volquez coming back from TJ
Shows the fans they are willing and able to still compete
They can make a real competitive offer 4 guys deep starting with Alsono and go from there. Something like Mesoraco, Alonso, Wood and Francisco, maybe sub in Heisley or go with a 5 player for 2 swap
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
I'll pass.
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't prescribe to the fill one hole on the MLB roster to open another concept
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
I wouldn't give up Smoak if I were the Rangers
The only deal for an elite prospect that makes any real sense is… Montero.
by Graham MacAree on Jul 9, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
that is what I am thing to
the problem is I might be Montero + meh.
So at what point do you take a deal like Texas did with Texieria and trust your scouts instead of getting that 1 guy?
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
I don't think I do if that Yankees deal is on the table
I am fine with trades for scattered players, but in this case the central core of elite talent needs shoring up.
by Graham MacAree on Jul 9, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I would hate that deal so much
We need elite players, not pretty decent ones.
by Graham MacAree on Jul 9, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
No thank you but thanks for trying!
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Hope you ready for the next episode, hey-yay-yay-yay
Smoak-Lee, anyday.
by mkries on Jul 9, 2010 1:56 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
HOLY SHIT
i have learned deal done with #Rangers, Smoak and 3 others for Lee and reliever Mark Lowe #Rangers, #Mariners
M's fan in PA, soon to be LA
by perfectstrat on Jul 9, 2010 1:57 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I CANT HAVE BONERS AT WORK BUT FUCK IT!
by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 9, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
WHO WAS ALREADY WRONG TODAY
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 9, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
WHAT THE FUCK!?!
YES!!!! WHO ARE THE THREE OTHERS!?!?? FUCKING TELL ME NOW!!!
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
FDklfdasl
My Mariners blog SodoMojo, My Twitter Feed
by Griffin Cooper on Jul 9, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
WHO ARE THE OTHER THREE
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I just broke myself
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
THat hurts my face
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
I would guess stuffed and a bit out of his mind
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
They can be
My Mariners blog SodoMojo, My Twitter Feed
by Griffin Cooper on Jul 9, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
They can be, yeah.. Just not common - you can basically say "Whatever" and do it
Maybe that means Holland too? Dual DL swap!
by seattlesundevil on Jul 9, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
SO MUCH SEMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Pineda Starting Tonight?
Anyone else see that Pineda is no longer listed on Tacoma’s roster? If Lee moves, he is probably coming up to start tonight.
What does everyone think about that?
Me too
Couldn’t we give them Aardsama instead.
by Edgar for Pres on Jul 9, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
THE FIRST ITERATION OF MARK LOWE WAS AMAZING
THE OTHERS HAVE BEEN ENJOYABLE, BUT LESS STRIKING. IT HURTS BECAUSE HE’S ONE OF THE FEW INTERESTING ARMS IN THE ’PEN, BUT HIS HEALTH IS NOT GOOD, NOR LIKELY TO BE, AND AT LEAST HE GOES TO HIS HOMETOWN TEAM WITH A CHANCE TO GO TO THE WS.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
BRIAN SWEENEY IS THE FUTURE OF THE 2004 MARINERS
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW
WE COULD CALL UP SCOTT PATTERSON AND GET HIM TO PLAY THE STRAIGHT MAN?
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
This seems odd
Lowe is injured. Its a serious injury with a tendency to plague players for a long time.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 9, 2010 2:00 PM PDT reply actions
We included Lowe to make sure the deal would get nixed, thus ensuring another week of
epilepsy here on LL.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
Most likely.
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 9, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Someone said they had so money set aside for a deal like this.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
But I hope so because
PROSPECTS
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Is raping someone winning?
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
In some circle jerks; yes, raping is winning
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
Then Yes!
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 9, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
WE SHOULD ALL MIGRATE TO THE NEW THREAD
YEAH GOOD IDEA GRIFFIN
My Mariners blog SodoMojo, My Twitter Feed
NO THERES A NEWER ONE
My Mariners blog SodoMojo, My Twitter Feed
by Griffin Cooper on Jul 9, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
OLD NEWS?
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
INDOOOOBITABLY
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 9, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
THERE'S SOME CRAZY STUFF ON THAT INTERNET
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Yankees fans have to be SOOOOO pissed!!
That in itself makes me happy.
Karma police, arrest this man.
I SEEM TO REMEMBER AN A'S-RANGERS DEAL A WHILE BACK THAT WAS KIND OF A BIG DEAL
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm just too excited to think right now.
Jay, honestly, you couldn’t have ever imagined Smoak. Right? You like?
by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 9, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
INITIALLY, I COULDN'T HAVE IMAGINED MONTERO
BUT TO ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION DIRECTLY, BACK IN ’08 I FELT HORRIBLE BECAUSE WE WERE HAVING A ONCE-IN-A-GENERATION DRAFT FOR FIRST BASEMAN TALENT AND DUE TO A FLUKEY RECORD IN ’07, WE WERE NOT ONLY MISSING OUT ON THAT BUT MAKING A HORRIBLE PANIC MOVE IN SELECTING A RELIEVER WE THOUGHT WE WOULD BE READY IN THE NEAR TERM.
THIS SORT OF REDEEMS THAT.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Its incredible to think that in some crazy fashion Z got Smoak and three others out of seemingly thin air and a thin farm system from last season.
You just can’t fathom getting those great players selected in the draft – once they’re snagged and signed, wait 6+ years. Awesome.
I didn’t think Montero was possible either until two weeks ago. I didn’t think Smoak was possible until 10 minutes ago.
by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 9, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I DON'T THINK THAT Z WAS LOOKING AT THE COMPENSATION DRAFT PICKS IN THE FIRST PLACE
IT WAS A RUSE. A SMOAK-SCREEN, IF YOU WILL.
DID YOU GET IT? DID EVERYBODY SEE THE CLEVER JOKE I MADE?
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
You must be careful about what you think about doing
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 9, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Go buy a cliff Lee Jersey
I will have no problem sporting that for the rest of my life.
Nah. I like Mr. Lee, but I don't want his jersey. I've had a Lowe Jersey in the shopping cart for two weeks.
I was also considering Saunders, but not a chance now.
Fuck the Angels
I have a Jeff Clement jersey.
You’d’ve been fine.
by Mariner John on Jul 10, 2010 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions
ROSENTHAL SAYS IT'S DONE!
Mariners are sending cash though
THE RANGERS ARE BROKE SO THIS IS NOT SURPRISING
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
WE, ON THE OTHER HAND, ARE SMOAK....ING
LAUGH, YOU DONGS
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
We can now smoke!!
RE: Smoke ’em if you got ’em!
I fucking hate you Mariners
BONERS
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm going to buy some nice whiskey and a cigar tonight. WOOO
I fucking hate you Mariners
Salk....
is ripping Brock good for fussing over Mark Lowe.
SALK MAKES ME CURIOUS ABOUT SPORTS RADIO
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
As he should
This is a reliever we are talking about with a pretty huge injury background
by seattlesundevil on Jul 9, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
He doesn't afraid of anything?
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
Besides being a Boston guy....
he’s the best baseball talking head in Seattle.
Holy fuck I remember when someone mentioning Smoak was ridiculous.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
Other than Twitter feeds...
Does anyone have any confirmation from somewhere else newswise? Call me old-fashioned, but I hate twitter…
And I would miss the idea of Mark Lowe, but not his injuries…
Geoff Baker is sitting in a barbers shop right now...
by tait644 on Jul 9, 2010 2:11 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
GEOFF BAKER LIVE: BREAKING NEW GROUNDS
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Baker is busy tweeting about what the Blue Jays should do.
by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 9, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
HIS ATTEMPTS TO TROLL US ARE GETTING WEAKER
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 9, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
GEOFF BAKER WALKS AROUND WITH A MAPLE LEAF UP HIS ASS.
Fuck the Angels
I WANT REAL INFORMATION. NO MORE SPECULATIONS!
Fuck the Angels
ESPN (the TV station), 3 seconds ago
Reported that Buster Olney confirmed that Lee is going to the Rangers, details to follow…
I really wanted Montero...
But I like this Smoak deal too…
Just in case you didn't know....
New thread up:
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2010/7/9/1561759/cliff-lee-mark-lowe-reportedly#comments
Karma police, arrest this man.
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