Mariners Replace Underachieving Players With Bad Players
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 31, 2010 12:20 PM PDT
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PrintThe Mariners have sent 1B Justin Smoak to Triple-A Tacoma, put Milton Bradley on the 15-day DL and promoted Tui and Sean White from Tacoma
Smoak has one walk and 23 strikeouts since coming over from Texas after posting 38/57 before, so something's clearly wrong, be it that he's pressing or having difficulty adjusting to the new environment or what have you. It's worth noting that he only has 69 games of AAA experience and 135 games of minor league experience overall, so while he's a terrific young prospect, it's possible that he was rushed a little bit. He'll go to Tacoma and try to re-gain some confidence, and he'll be back in a month, if not sooner. This could end up having some neat side effects on Smoak's future salary.
I didn't even realize Bradley was hurt, but, of course Bradley is hurt.
Tui and Sean White are Tui and Sean White. One of them knows how to generate walks, and one of them knows how to generate strikeouts, and in both cases it's the wrong guy.
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Neither Dave nor I are in any position to know how Milton Bradley's body feels
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 31, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
To make room for Tui or Sean White?
Neither of those guys are begging for a spot on the roster over Bradley even when he’s terrible, not much reason to make anything up.
According to Drayer,
Tui will be playing third… Why the hell isn’t figgins moving back to third?
I can't imagine two players I'm less excited about seeing come up
I’d be more excited to hear we’re pulling Quinton McCracken and Kevin Jarvis out of retirement
Determined, Jonesing Commentor
by Corco on Jul 31, 2010 12:24 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
We're bringing Rich Dorman and Andrew Lorraine out of their pitching coach roles.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
No, he's going to be replacing Rob Johnson.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
So I guess this would be funnier if people knew Dorman used to catch.
Or knew who Dorman was.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 31, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Or Player A.
Because then we could make fun of Player A.
My reaction,
Milton Bradley is my hero.
by SeaKoala on Jul 31, 2010 12:25 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
The move makes sense, I guess
but this team just went from really boring to rather have a root canal boring
Determined, Jonesing Commentor
by Corco on Jul 31, 2010 12:26 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Yay.
And by ‘yay’, I mean, this team is going to be even more terribler to watch. I’m surprised we haven’t brought Snell back up yet.
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 31, 2010 12:27 PM PDT reply actions
oh just you wait
after roland-smith’s last outing, I’m wondering how long until Snell is called back up.
Have you seen Snell lately?
His last outing had him giving up nine runs in 5.2 innings on twelve hits and three walks against four Ks. It was a hot day in Fresno, mind you, but still that’s really bad.
He’s turned in some good outings of late, but they’ve been every other time at best.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 31, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
My tongue was so deep in my cheek with that comment...
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 31, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, you know that, and I know that, but he doesn't know that.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 31, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't even know what to do or say anymore.
We have no other option but to bring Tui back up? Really?
I hate this.
Milton Bradley apologist
by sanford_and_son on Jul 31, 2010 12:29 PM PDT reply actions
You prefer Chris Woodward?
Matt Mangini’s not good at defense, BTW.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
And Tui is a world wonder with the glove
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 31, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly. We've seen plenty of what Tui has to offer in the big leagues.
Milton Bradley apologist
by sanford_and_son on Jul 31, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
He's had 130 PA and hasn't appeared in 50 games.
by MT Olson on Jul 31, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
THANK YOU
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
Yes, all of 130 at-bats.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
Right. So Tui has just been doing a bait and switch his whole career and is just waiting for the right moment to emerge as a significant contributor to this team.
Blah blah blah absurdly small sample size, whatever.
Milton Bradley apologist
by sanford_and_son on Jul 31, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Instantly regret posting this, don't hurt me please.
Milton Bradley apologist
by sanford_and_son on Jul 31, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Have you been paying attention to his numbers at Tacoma?
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 31, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
130 PAs over three seasons.
Saunders came up one shy of that last season.
I know everyone hates Tui and he’s frustrating because he can’t play defense and hits only irregularly, but it’s not as though the M’s have actually given him a chance either.
Whether he deserves one is another matter. He’s been damned awful in Tacoma of late.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
Tui definitely gets a little too much shit for what he is
Sure is unwatchable, though.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 31, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Most players with little MLB experience are.
So are a number of players with a fair amount of MLB experience, like say, most of the Seattle Mariners.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
So, let's get it out of the way now...
… Give him his ABs, let him suck again, and then the only thing we’ll talk about next season is how he should have played football.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
Really?
Because I’d look at the 35/32 K/BB he’s running right now and be at least a little intrigued considering it’s, what, 176 PA? The power is inconsistent, but you also have to bear in mind that last year his arm was fucked up for a while, and he still had 44% xbh.
Tui could end up kind of being the Mike Wilson type where eventually it all clicks for him and he’s a beast around his physical prime. I still think he’s closer to Morse, but you never know. He’s flashed enough that’s interesting.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 31, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
A little intrigued, maybe
But he’s still a 24 year old with no established defensive position whose entire game has been inconsistent. I still think he’s going to end up as a AAAA guy.
Sure, it could eventually all click for him as you say; but I’m just not prepared to bet on it. And I think a lot of people who are still excited about Tui base it largely on this mystical athleticism that has yet to translate itself into being good at baseball.
Keeping him around Tacoma is fine in case that happens, and having him back in Seattle while there’s nothing to play for isn’t the worst thing in the world, I suppose.
I wonder if it’d be worth seeing if he could stick as a fourth outfielder. I don’t like him anywhere in the infield.
He was also in double-A by 20 and triple-A by 22 as a guy who grew up mostly playing football.
I had hoped he would have done a little more by now, being in his third season in Tacoma, but the expectations of him have not exactly been consistent or reasonable throughout.
After his first stint in double-A when he hit just .185/.259/.218, a lot of people expected him to wash out or otherwise quit. Yet, four years later he’s done a little time in the big leagues and we’re still finding reasons to talk about him, even with the elbow surgery he had last season.
And for what it’s worth, they have been playing him in left a little bit more of late. Of course they’ve also had him at shortstop a game or two in the past couple of weeks, which is what?
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 31, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Most of the reason we're still talking about him is because the Mariners keep making us watch him play.
How much of the fast promotion was the old Bavasi “promote them until they’re way over their heads” strategy?
Now, if he sustains that K/BB ratio you pointed out for a while longer, especially against major league pitching, it might be worth re-assessing. 176 PAs is a somewhat significant but still fairly small sample size.
There’s certainly no harm giving him some at-bats at the MLB level this season and seeing if he can flip the lightswitch you think he might be able to; but until that happens, I have a hard time thinking of a player I’d be less interested in watching.
Now we're going around in circles.
Because again, I’m going to have to point out that 130 PA over three seasons and 45 games total, a number of which would have been as a late-game replacement, is not “the Mariners making us watch him play.”
I’m not a Tui fan really. In general, I prefer the guys that have been around the game for a while and have a good idea of what they’re doing, but the attitude towards him is just ridiculous.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 31, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
It was admitedly a little hyperbolic
My point was that his skillset and the results thereof aren’t really why we’re continuing to talk about him.
Now if the Mariners scouts are telling them “Tui seems to have figured something out, you should get him some playing time and see if he can sustain it against MLB pitching”, that’s fine. That’s obviously information I don’t have access to.
But I don’t think it’s ridiculous to say that I don’t care about watching Tui until he seems to have turned a corner in a sustainable fashion.
"having him back in Seattle while there’s nothing to play for isn’t the worst thing in the world, I suppose."
From the Mariners’ perspective, I don’t think it hurts that he’s a local boy. It’s not going to excite the more rabid and knowledgeable fan, but it might help bring in a few more of the casual fans because of that. There’s very little reason for the casual fan to come out right now, if it makes people want to come out to see the local boy, at least that’s something.
by nathaniel dawson on Jul 31, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he's one of those players whose skillset falls apart once pitchers can somewhat locate a breaking ball
Things go badly when he has to start swinging. But yeah, that K/BB is a lot better than what he used to do in Tacoma and it’s a lost season so whatever, maybe he’ll turn into a decent utility guy.
Willie Bloomquist is being shopped
Determined, Jonesing Commentor
by Corco on Jul 31, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
PS: Please pitch well today Felix.
Pretty please.
Milton Bradley apologist
by sanford_and_son on Jul 31, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
For the next fifteen minutes,
imagine that this means that Lopez is getting dealt.
by philosofool on Jul 31, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Is anyone else getting a malware notice here?
by Smegmalicious on Jul 31, 2010 12:35 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Nope.
I really hope SBNation doesn’t get bit by that same fake scanner bullshit that was on the NYT and Seattle Times. That was annoying.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
That thing is an absolute plague
It infects profiles on an individual basis and can’t be removed unless you boot to safe mode, run a process killer, manually clean up the registry, then run Malware Bytes.
It depends on what you're running.
That was a bit more benign than say, AntiVirus System Pro, which I got on my XP machine briefly and was fucking nasty. That locks down your Task Manager. The Times thing could at least be shut down on its own and so long as you ran something like Malwarebytes, you’d be okay.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 31, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I've gotten this thing three times all while doing seemingly harmless internet activity.
What’s leaking it into my system?
It's their model.
What they do is set themselves up what looks like a reputable group and go around buying adspace at well-trafficked sites and then use the ad to throw up dummy scanners and hijack your system in an effort to get you to stupidly give them your credit card info.
As I said, AVSP is the worst because it can totally shut down your internet connection if you aren’t careful and getting it off is a whole big to-do. Run things like Malwarebytes and Avira after getting them, then do the Microsoft malware removal shit and error check and all that.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 31, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, my sister got that a couple of weeks ago.
Trying to walk her through a removal over the phone was not fun, especially since she really has no business operating a computer.
I know enough about computers to pretty much do this shit on my own...
and it still eats up at least a day and a whole lot of troubleshooting before I get things completely squared away. There’s almost always a way to get it off without a reformat, but I don’t blame people for taking that route because these things are not to be trifled with.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 31, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
If you have another computer and a USB stick, you can get it down in about 30 minutes.
Download Malware Bytes from clean computer to USB
Boot infected computer in safe mode with no networking
Plug USB into infected computer, install Malware Bytes
Click Start → run → msconfig and browse for suspicious looking Startup program (usually just a jumble of letters and located in somewhere in your Documents root). Disable it.
Run MalwareBytes, do a full scan.
Remove infected files
It should be fine now.
That's one way to do it.
Another I’ve used that’s been pretty effective is:
Download MalwareBytes and rkill to a USB drive
Load into safe mode with networking
Run rkill to terminate nonessential processes (usually this will shut down any instances of the malware temporarily)
Open internet settings and make sure a fake proxy hasn’t been set
Install and run MalwareBytes
Update MB’s definitions
Run a full scan
Remove infected files
I'll second the use of rkill.
It’s a fine little program.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 31, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Getting something to flush your temp files doesn't hurt either.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 31, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh yeah, forgot the proxy thing.
It keeps doing that.
Your process is a whole lot less complicated than mine.
But then again the day or two thing is usually the effect of Trojans, and it’s mainly a day because some of them are bound to the system clock and can revive themselves as it turns over at midnight.
Malwarebytes is a good first step and can take care of smaller issues, but it doesn’t catch everything and it doesn’t necessarily fix everything either. If it’s a Trojan I’ll be busting out HiJackThis and viral scanners and every other tool I have to get it off.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 31, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I've gotten it down to a system as far as removal goes. MBAM on a USB, safe mode, all that.
I just want some tips on how to stop it from happening in the first place.
I'm thinking that some kind of anti-ad, anti-script plugin on the browser would probably do it.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 31, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Firefox with Noscript and Adblock can be annoying from a usability and speed standpoint
But for secure browsing, you really can’t do much better.
Script and flash vulnerabilities are how these things get on your system 99% of the time, from my understanding.
Honestly I have no idea.
I’m seeing it pop up on profiles with anti-malware, anti-virus, modern internet browsers, and no administrative access to install stuff.
Keeping everything updated helps....
browsers, Adobe Reader, Flash, Windows itself….
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 31, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't doubt it, but there are at least good people combating it.
The Malwarebytes and Avira people really put in the time on their own. They can’t get everything, but they can come up with countermeasures and I know Avira at least has a whole sampler of malware and viruses that they monitor.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 31, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I just asked this question on Twitter and a number of people have said yes
I have no idea what the problem might be.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 31, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
The website at www.lookoutlanding.com contains elements from the site bin.clearspring.com, which appears to host malware
software that can hurt your computer or otherwise operate without your consent.
Getting the malware warning on the front page of each SBN blog in Chrome
by lemonverbena on Jul 31, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
NoScript is my friend.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 31, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I long for the carefree good old days of the internet
When you could contentedly surf the web for porn and illegally download music tracks without worry of malicious viruses. Those days are long gone, my friends.
by nathaniel dawson on Jul 31, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
So much for the Mariners going with youth.
Cannot wait to see Kotchman and Branyan manning first base now…..should be fun!!!
Woo players with a futu...wait...dammit.
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 31, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Is it March yet?
Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.
This isn't a very exciting move.
Maybe I should say, “This doesn’t SEEM to be a very exciting move.” But maybe I’m wrong. If Tui shows something, then… OK. Great.
It’s hard to picture this happening.
ignacio
Agreed.
I mean, what’s his upside? Bench utility player?
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 31, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Funny
I think it’s funny that Smoak was a starter on Texas this year, but he’s not good enough to start for Seattle. I think it was a plot all along! A ruse I tells ya! Kind of like the M’s batting Lopez as cleanup, except only Jack falls for these things.
Smoak replaced a AAAA hitter in Texas
where the line up was productive enough to be patient with him. If the hadn’t traded Smoak, they would have returned him to AAA and replaced him with Jorge Cantu, or whatever, around the time that they got Cantu to replace Chris Davis, who continues not to hit well enough to be an MLB 1B.
Couldn't agree with you more Wakeupcall. DAM you Mariners for making us fools for
so long.(Not ONE world series appearance or world series title for that matter,in our club history).
This is so sad.
Seattle Mariners GM Jack Zduriencik announced today that the Mariners have made the following roster moves: RHP Sean White and INF/OF Matt Tuiasosopo have been recalled from AAA Tacoma. Milton Bradley has been placed on 15-day disabled list (retro to July 27) with right knee patellar tendonitis, and 1B Justin Smoak has been optioned to AAA Tacoma.
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I was not being truthful with the poster there if you want to know.(sorry) But everything
else is true. Just venting a little bit. thats all.
Oh god. I am dying. I am dead.
Now my goddamn cat is homeless
by Kermit. on Jul 31, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Why not Mike Wilson?
Its not like Tui is a wizard with the glove. I think Dave referred to him as “potted plant with a glove.”
Yeah I realize he can't play third but Wilson and Lopez are still here
Unless Tui is going to get the majority of playing time at third.
by houseofprime on Jul 31, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
He can't play shortstop, second, or first either.
Lopez way not play for a while because he’s got a bum hamstring.
OK how about this imagine how helpless Tui is at Third, now imagine Tui being black and 40 pounds heavier and playing the OF.
You got slurved!
I'm not suggesting Wilson play third
I have already seen Prentice Redman play ss and LaHair play 2b. It wasn’t pretty.
by houseofprime on Jul 31, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
With Lopez hurting they need another infielder now.
Without Tui your infielders are Josh Wilson, Jack Wilson, Chone Figgins, Casey Kotchman, Russell Branyan, and Ryan Langerhans
Of that group, Josh Wilson, Jack Wilson, and Figgins are the only ones who can play middle infield or third.
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