RR-S to DL
Lower back strain. Big surprise
almost 2 years ago
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You'd think it'd be neck strain
From watching all those HRs go over his head and hits go past him.
-Brett Gleason
-Daily Evergreen Staff Sports Writer
by Brett the 49er on Jul 28, 2010 11:36 AM PDT reply actions
it's almost like "lower back strain" was made up as a dignified way to drop him from the rotation
by pdb on Jul 28, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
Balderdash.
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by appleshampoo on Jul 28, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
First thing I thought when I read lower back strain: "bullshit"
-Brett Gleason
-Daily Evergreen Staff Sports Writer
by Brett the 49er on Jul 28, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Poor Ryan, I hope he rebounds quickly. 2010 has been a horrible year for him.
by EnglishMariner on Jul 28, 2010 11:38 AM PDT reply actions
It's stunning, really.
He was making a run at one of the worst years of all time.
Seems like even a journeyman MLB career is a longshot at this point
He’s completely brainfucked right now. What a bummer for a nice guy.
by lemonverbena on Jul 28, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Do think he was pitching through the pain or is this a pseudo injury of sorts?
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by Brett the 49er on Jul 28, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
According to FIP and X-FIP, Hyphen's 2010 has now been worse than Ian Snell's.
This despite a lower BABIP. Dammit, Ryan.
Despite?
FIP and xFIP don’t have anything to do with BABIP
Sorry - it looks like I misunderstood the components of FIP.
My new, simpler, message is, “Dammit, Ryan.”
by Chris Hafner on Jul 28, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Were you hoping
they’d send him to AAA to pitch for the Raniers? I don’t think they’d want him.
Anaheim. Fuck 'em.
Hmmm....
“Hey Ryan, isn’t your back sore?”
“No.”
“Here, catch this (throws very heavy medicine ball)!”
“Ow! My back!!”
“Damn, guess it’s the DL for you, and probably some “rehab” in Tacoma too!"
“Shit.”
"If for any reason you're not completely satisfied, I hate you."
by Thingray on Jul 28, 2010 1:38 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Whew, this is good news. I actually thought he just sucked, but apparently he's
been pitching hurt…..
I don't get that
I mean, we hear about it, like with Jeff Weaver and Carlos Silva, but I don’t get it from the player’s perspective. If a player’s not hurt, why would he accept a move to the disabled list?
by nathaniel dawson on Jul 28, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Dignity-saving measure, mostly
RR-S has been unbelievably bad this year, but is by all accounts a decent guy who works hard. Rather than the team coming out and saying “This guy sucks and he’s gone” in the middle of the season, they invent an “injury” and ease him out the side door, thus sparing RR-S the indignity of being DFA’d or demoted or whatever. This also buys the team time to figure out if French can fill the spot.
That's what I don't get.
Does he not mind being sent to the DL? I’m trying to put myself in the player’s shoes, and if I wasn’t hurt, I wouldn’t want to go on the DL. I’d be saying “no, I’m not hurt, I’m not going on the DL. I want to pitch in the Majors.” What’s the difference between going on the DL and being released? He’s still getting paid the same amount, and if he’s DFA’d, he’d be able to look for a team that wants him to pitch in the Majors.
I don’t see any downside for the player to refuse to go on the DL.
by nathaniel dawson on Jul 28, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
What he wants is irrelevant though
The club has control of him and what he does, they’re the boss. They offered him an embarassment-free path to maybe a release at the end of the season and a chance to catch on somewhere else, and he took it. Why would he fight that?
I'd fight it
If the team came to me and told me they were putting me on the DL even though i wasn’t hurt, well, I’d just be damned pist. Hey, either you want me to pitch for you or you don’t want me to. Keep me on the roster pitching Major League games, or release me so I can find a team that wants me. If they’re only going to release him at the end of the season, why wouldn’t he want that right now so he has an opportunity to pitch again the the bigs this season? How is a DL stint helping his Major League career?
In RR-S’s case, the team doesn’t have complete control over him. He’s out of options, so they either have to play him or release him. They don’t have the freedom to place him on the DL unless he’s really hurt. I know there’s a wink-wink, nudge-nudge thing with ML teams and the DL list, but I just don’t get it from the players perspective. The only thing I can think of is the Players Union is complicit in this as well, for reasons which I fail to understand right now. It doesn’t seem to be in the best interest of it’s constituents.
by nathaniel dawson on Jul 28, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
As a player you can be pissed all you want but it's not up to you
When your boss tells you to do something, you do it, right? It’s no different in sports. I’m pretty sure RR-S wasn’t consulted in the matter, he was just told “this is what’s happening”.
n the DL even though i wasn’t hurt, well, I’d just be damned pist. Hey, either you want me to pitch for you or you don’t want me to. Keep me on the roster pitching Major League games, or release me so I can find a team that wants me.
If RR-S was released right now he might not find another team. He’s very bad.
It's actually much better for the pitcher.
If you’re Ryan Rowland-Smith, would you prefer fans, teams, and media think you pitched poorly because you’re:
a) healthy but bad
b) good but injured
by Chris Hafner on Jul 28, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
You have absolutely no idea how you'd react because you never have been in a situation that is even remotely similar.
You’re not a professional athlete and you’re not RR-S. You might think you know what you’d do given the circumstances, but you don’t.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 28, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
That's a good point
Theirs is a profession that’s unlike anything that most of us will ever know. With all of the unusual influences people involved in Major Baseball encounter, trying to figure out their feelings and motivations is a bit of a guessing game.
by nathaniel dawson on Jul 28, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Another perspective.
RRS needs time to fix whatever is wrong with him and I’m sure he knows that. Pitching poorly must be eating him alive. This way he gets a chance to work on his issues without being cut.
I had been thinking about this some more, and that kind of situation is one that I can understand
If a player is being eaten alive game after game, it might be a welcome relief to step back for a while and try to come to grips with what is happening. Maybe that’s true of RR-S. If he’s truly not injured, maybe he believes this is a step that can turn out to be a positive for him.
That still goes contrary to what I think my reaction would be, or what I would imagine most players would feel, but I don’t suppose it would be the first time a person would do something contrary to what I think they’d do.
by nathaniel dawson on Jul 28, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Because pitching in the majors this year is probably no longer a realistic option at this point
No team is going to want him on a major league deal right now, with a DL trip he also has an excuse he can use for his poor performance when trying to sell himself to a different team next year, though probably on a minor league deal where he can try to fight his way back to the majors.
Every pitcher is hurt all the time.
A player could believe, rightly or wrongly, that a normally minor pain is throwing them off sufficiently to cause poor performance.
This is true
And maybe RR-S really is hurt, or at least is suffering from some minor malady the he believes is hampering his ability to pitch, and he welcomes the move to the DL. That’s something I can understand.
by nathaniel dawson on Jul 28, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Pitcher with injury history is injured.
I actually think he IS hurt, given he had injuries in 2005, 2006 and 2009.
Fun fact- Hyphen’s career high in IP in his pro ball career was last year: 152 2/3rds innings split between Tacoma and the big -league team.
I think if he has a career, it’s as a Paul Assenmacher-style soft tossing lefty bullpen guy. I don’t think he can handle a 200+ IP workload. He’s not even gotten close to it before breaking down.
by eponymous_coward on Jul 28, 2010 2:24 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
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