Surprise! M's have been the least efficient offense in baseball
My one concern with this quick study is its limited sample size, as the M's have only managed like 40 baserunners all year, and most of them were last Thursday.
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Someone should start a list of every blogger who uses that joke.
And then, one day far down the line, when the Mariners post a great season, we can rub it in their faces.
That is exactly the same attitude that those using #6org are exhibiting.
The ideal would be to act more mature than those people.
by Matthew on Jul 26, 2010 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yup. That's stupid.
Just another person trying to make sure that a fun, in-depth read on Fangraphs goes away forever. Maybe Dave should do the list without the M’s next year, so people would shut the f up.
Anaheim. Fuck 'em.
The author also includes isolated power, and in the Mariners' case their least efficient offense is tied to the lowest ISO.
In fact, there appears to be a general correlation of power with offensive efficiency. At one level that’s completely expected – better offenses leave fewer runners stranded! – but I’m wondering if there’s another lesson here.
Over the offseason, there was debate about whether power in itself was necessary for an offense. To paraphrase, the casual fans said power was necessary, that the Mariners needed a big bat to drive in runs, and the smart people said no, that production is production, and power is just a means of generating that production.
I don’t want to draw overly broad conclusions, because the Mariners offense has been awful at everything, on-base skills included, but is there some kind of interesting learning here, that successful offenses need to have some kind of balance between OBP and ISO, and that raw production is too simplistic? I’m not trying to play gotcha here – I was in the camp that production is production – I’m just trying to understand the lesson here if there is one.
Actually, I'm an idiot.
Upon further reflection, efficiency tied to power is exactly what you’d expect given the definition of this stat. This isn’t a measure of overall run production (offensive productivity), or even a measure of how often a team has baserunners (on-base skills) – it’s a measure of how often baserunners come in to score. Stranded base-runners should correlate positively with ISO over time.
Never mind. I’m still figuring this stuff out.
by Chris Hafner on Jul 26, 2010 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions
I wrote something in this vein earlier this year.
by Graham MacAree on Jul 26, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Thanks, Graham.
I remember that piece now, and it all makes perfect sense.
by Chris Hafner on Jul 26, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
You're so negative all the time
Why can’t you refer to them as “the most inefficient offense in baseball”? LET’S BE POSITIVE!!! We’re #1 at inefficiency!
by pdb on Jul 26, 2010 8:44 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
How about "The most pitching-oriented hitters in baseball!"?
2010 Safeco Field Record: 2-1 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 12-5
How about some Good News! instead?
by Eyebrows on Jul 26, 2010 9:20 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I was going to poist about our clean up hitters, since it seems like its mostly Lopez and Griffey hitting there
but we’ve gotten a .690 OPS from out #4 hitters. #5 hitters are coming in at .550 though. That’s bad.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 26, 2010 9:35 AM PDT reply actions
It's better than our team average
:’’(
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 26, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
We will see if next year is better.
by well you win some and lose others on Jul 26, 2010 10:02 AM PDT reply actions
M's have the 2nd worst hitting team in MLB and are also last and bringing in their limited baserunners
I’m shocked.
Here are the article’s 4 least efficient offenses. They are also the bottom 4 in wOBA on Fangraphs.
Mariners (30th in effeciency, 29th in wOBA)
Astros (27th, 30th in wOBA)
Pirates (28th, 28th)
Orioles (29th, 27th)
Wow, I mangled that subject line
Should have read:
M’s have the 2nd worst hitting team in MLB and are last in bringing in their limited baserunners
If Houston doesn't have a pitcher hitting in their lineup everyday they probably have a better wOBA than us
Although if we had a pitcher in our lineup maybe it would help us.
by Edgar for Pres on Jul 26, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
This isn't a huge surprise considering the pitiful nature of our offense and the lack of power in general.
Even with a more successful version of this team, the power output was never supposed to be serious and as such we’d be leaving more runners on base anyhow.
But, in theory, we'd be getting more baserunners.
So it wouldn’t be as big of a deal when we stranded some of them.
Anaheim. Fuck 'em.
To score a run, the Mariners need at minimum 3 to 4 baserunners.
Single, single, single to score
single walk single to score,
single walk walk single to score, etc.
So we were pretty much guaranteed to be extremely inefficient from day one. Our players were simply supposed to get on base more often.
Man, I really wish I had the math skills to write that chaining article I wanted to.
...and now I'm here
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