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Boston Red Sox at Seattle Mariners, Jul 24, 2010 7:10 PM PDT


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Boston Red Sox @ Seattle Mariners

07/24/10 7:10 PM PDT

Boston Red Sox Seattle Mariners
Marco Scutaro - SS Ichiro Suzuki - RF
Eric Patterson - CF Chone Figgins - 2B
David Ortiz - DH Franklin Gutierrez - CF
Kevin Youkilis - 1B Jose Lopez - 3B
Adrian Beltre - 3B Justin Smoak - 1B
J.D. Drew - RF Milton Bradley - DH
Jeremy Hermida - LF Josh Bard - C
Jed Lowrie - 2B Jack Wilson - SS
Kevin Cash - C Michael Saunders - LF

Jon Lester

#31 / Pitcher / Boston Red Sox

6-2

190

L

L

Jan 07, 1984

David Pauley

#39 / Pitcher / Seattle Mariners

6-2

210

R

R

Jun 17, 1983

Red just sent me a text that Beltre gave him a hug. No matter what happens in tonight's game, tonight is awesome.

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Aww man.

2010: 37-60 (5.5 behind Orioles for Rendon(?))
2008: 38-59 (1.5 behind Nats/Padres for Strasburg)

by ThundaPC on Jul 24, 2010 6:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Even if he were.

This team has a worse record than 2008 after 97 games AND we’re significantly farther away from the #1 draft pick. This draft race blows.

by ThundaPC on Jul 24, 2010 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not rooting for Rendon, per se, just a better draft pick.

Though Rendon is unquestionably better than any other 3B we have in system.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 24, 2010 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

This would have made a lick of sense after a long list of various in-system 3B.

as the first reply? It just looks awkward.

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by JY on Jul 24, 2010 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

TUI!

Karma police, arrest this man.

by wyte_lightning on Jul 24, 2010 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

LIDDI!...

hit two home runs last night and in the past five days or so has doubled his home run output for the season.

Holy fucking shit.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 24, 2010 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

*our

According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.

by the other side on Jul 24, 2010 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh fuck.

1. Nick Franklin
….

Then off the top of my head, Beavan, Liddi, Triunfel, Raben, in no particular order.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 24, 2010 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I honestly don't know what to do with that last spot.

Raben can’t hit lefties, Poythress can’t his enough, I’m still trying to get a read on Erasmo Ramirez and probably still imagine him as a #3 or #4, Cleto’s gotten worse as the season’s gone on, Lueke is a reliever, Pimentel hasn’t been up to snuff and Choi probably isn’t a first baseman to say nothing of the problems I have with picking AZL players in general.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 24, 2010 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Beavan made the five.

He’s good and getting better.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 24, 2010 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey Scruffy, are you drunk?

On a scale of not drunk to drunk, what would you say you are?

Karma police, arrest this man.

by wyte_lightning on Jul 24, 2010 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

They're splitting his time between there and first.

But as a prep he was a third baseman, I believe.

He hits really well, but the power is a wee bit inconsistent, which may be why they tried him behind the plate. It also helps because they signed Kim too and they might as well have a battery that speaks the same language for practical purposes.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 24, 2010 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting... any player comps for him?

From what I’ve read, he seems to be a pretty advanced hitter for his age with decent power potential… But I haven’t seen much about him lately.

MALE

by lailaihei on Jul 24, 2010 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, I loathe player comps and it's extremely difficult to make sense of the AZL in general.

Badler ranked him as the #5 international prospect to watch in the short-seasons though.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 24, 2010 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I've seen plenty of players tear up the AZL and then do nothing for a while.

Liddi had a great AZL season and then did nothing for two years. Eddy Hernandez had a very fine season as a twenty-year-old and was pitching three years later before washing out entirely.

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by JY on Jul 24, 2010 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

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by bestbostonsports on Jul 24, 2010 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh sorry

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by bestbostonsports on Jul 24, 2010 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

hello

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by bestbostonsports on Jul 24, 2010 7:05 PM PDT reply actions   3 recs

Sorry I forgot all the rules here

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by bestbostonsports on Jul 24, 2010 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hi there.

Please remember to always use the subject line and avoid chatspeak whenever possible.

by ThundaPC on Jul 24, 2010 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know, I know

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by bestbostonsports on Jul 24, 2010 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry

I’m just trying to contribute to the community

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by bestbostonsports on Jul 24, 2010 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't really know

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by bestbostonsports on Jul 24, 2010 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

So...

Your guy Hannahan is 2-3 tonight in Pawtucket

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by bestbostonsports on Jul 24, 2010 7:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Is Jose the worst "cleanup" hitter in the league.

According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.

by the other side on Jul 24, 2010 7:10 PM PDT reply actions  

rather, ?

According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.

by the other side on Jul 24, 2010 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Quantifiably.

Excellent.

According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.

by the other side on Jul 24, 2010 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Metalmouth!

Karma police, arrest this man.

by wyte_lightning on Jul 24, 2010 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

But... We're showcasing him,

So we can trade him, has it worked yet?

by ambrosia2112 on Jul 24, 2010 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was hoping...

that tonight would be the night we finally gave up on the Figgins/Lopez position swap. No such luck.

by Bodhizefa on Jul 24, 2010 7:16 PM PDT reply actions  

The ball hit him out of the box.

Out.

According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.

by the other side on Jul 24, 2010 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't believe it did

Unless it hit his foot. But the replay seemed to show that it didn’t hit him.

Karma police, arrest this man.

by wyte_lightning on Jul 24, 2010 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

It didn't look like it hit him from the replay.

But, even if he thought it did, or thought it was foul, you’d like to see him at least run it out after last night.

by Jeff Nye on Jul 24, 2010 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

It looked like it came up and got him.

Maybe not.

According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.

by the other side on Jul 24, 2010 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dan Wilson biggin' up Josh Bard!

aaaaaand right on cue with the passed ball.

by Eyeball Kid on Jul 24, 2010 7:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Ugh

Karma police, arrest this man.

by wyte_lightning on Jul 24, 2010 7:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Everett actually.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 24, 2010 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah alright, thanks. I hadn't heard about that.

Fangraphs needs to be updated then.

Karma police, arrest this man.

by wyte_lightning on Jul 24, 2010 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't be consulting Fangraphs for current minor league data.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 24, 2010 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Better site?

Baseball reference?

Karma police, arrest this man.

by wyte_lightning on Jul 24, 2010 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

B-R updates overnight, I think.

Statcorner is good if you want wOBA and park factors. For more traditional metrics, I just use the official MiLB.com site. They have basic splits and update usually within an hour or two of the game.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 24, 2010 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also Statcorner has tRA.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 24, 2010 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

It really is Smoke on the Water.

That’s hilarious.

Milton Bradley is my hero.

by SeaKoala on Jul 24, 2010 7:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Smoke on the Water?

God I’m fucking tired of the puns.

Karma police, arrest this man.

by wyte_lightning on Jul 24, 2010 7:39 PM PDT reply actions  

In Bangladesh I was in a van full of 7 Bangladeshi's

Blasting Deep Purple at 3 in the morning while driving on the wrong side of the road and flashing high beams at each on coming car.

Its finally happened.

by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 24, 2010 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Correct

But it was the first experience and terrifying.

Its finally happened.

by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 24, 2010 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Been on a few of those trips in various countries myself.

Puckered up so bad that I couldn’t crap a #2 pencil for probably two days.

by Henry H on Jul 24, 2010 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Came around a corner on a mountain road in Java once.

Blind corner, black bus broken down. wall on one side, ravine on the other. Flares? Nah, use cinderblocks with bamboo poles sticking toward an oncoming car, about 20 ft off the back bumper. It would have been ok, except for the bus passing on said corner in our lane about 40 ft in the distance.

by Henry H on Jul 24, 2010 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I really like the fact that David Pauley has been doing well.

There is something Sweeney-esq about his ascent this year that I enjoy.

by SeattExPat on Jul 24, 2010 7:48 PM PDT reply actions  

What?

He’s pitched all of 15 innings in the majors this year.

Karma police, arrest this man.

by wyte_lightning on Jul 24, 2010 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but in the soul-killing trade of Cliff Lee,

this guy who I had no recollection of filled in, and he has actually been pretty good. Especially in light of the other train wrecks that have happened to our other starters.

Although, he’s only 27. I thought he was older.

by SeattExPat on Jul 24, 2010 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's been a decent fill-in in a SSS since the trade

But I have zero confidence of him being anything more than AAAA fodder. 3 runs in 5 innings to the Yankees and 3 runs in 6 innings to the White Sox isn’t terrible, but he’s not someone I’d want to depend on for a long term solution.

Karma police, arrest this man.

by wyte_lightning on Jul 24, 2010 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

That was fun while it lasted.

According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.

by the other side on Jul 24, 2010 7:54 PM PDT reply actions  

That cameraman's doing better than Eugenio Velez.
Giants utility man Eugenio Velez was hit in the head by a foul line drive into the dugout during the fourth inning of Saturday’s game against the Arizona Diamondbacks and rushed to a local hospital.

The extent of Velez’s injury was immediately unclear.

Link

by drblacknwhite on Jul 24, 2010 8:01 PM PDT reply actions  

The extent of Velez’s injury was immediately unclear.

That’s an odd sentence.

MALE

by lailaihei on Jul 24, 2010 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not immediately clear

They were too immediate with their sentence construction.

by lemonverbena on Jul 24, 2010 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

But technically it is a true statement

Foul ball hot shot…hits Eugenio Velez in the dugout! AND WE DON’T KNOW THE EXTENT OF HIS INJURY!

by lemonverbena on Jul 24, 2010 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

He got hit, became blurry?

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by JY on Jul 24, 2010 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fuckagave is excellent

Though I think you’d get some strange looks if you used that one.

Karma police, arrest this man.

by wyte_lightning on Jul 24, 2010 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

You wouldn't want to add -durian unless it was meant as serious insult.

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by JY on Jul 24, 2010 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Durians are known to reek.

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by JY on Jul 24, 2010 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I had a coworker who was obsessed with Durian

he made me try Durian candy, which was surprisingly not awful.

[DELETED ZOMG NO POLITICS]

by bluemax on Jul 24, 2010 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

They supposedly taste just fine, they just happen to smell really strongly

in a way that reminds some of old gym shoes.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 24, 2010 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

They do.

In most places, they will not allow you to take them on public transportation, into hotels, etc.

by Henry H on Jul 24, 2010 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe!

Karma police, arrest this man.

by wyte_lightning on Jul 24, 2010 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

No.

Jack Wilson will get a bunt single in the bottom of the ninth. Calling it.

by micky D on Jul 24, 2010 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Almost as annoying.

According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.

by the other side on Jul 24, 2010 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

CONDOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.

by the other side on Jul 24, 2010 8:43 PM PDT reply actions  

HAHAHAHAHA

FUCK YOU IN YOUR STUPID ASS, BOSTON!

by svart aske on Jul 24, 2010 8:43 PM PDT reply actions  

CONDOR BLAST!!

Karma police, arrest this man.

by wyte_lightning on Jul 24, 2010 8:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Solid point

That was his only legitimately good season in the majors. However, he had a babip of .353, more than 40 points higher than any other season. That may have contributed to the inflated wOBA.

Karma police, arrest this man.

by wyte_lightning on Jul 24, 2010 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or that

Karma police, arrest this man.

by wyte_lightning on Jul 24, 2010 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

.
An assist in baseball occurs any time an out is made by two or more defensive players. The final player to touch a ball during a play is credited with a “putout,” while any other defensive players who touched the ball, intentionally or otherwise, are credited with assists.

by lemonverbena on Jul 24, 2010 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Handyhands?

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 24, 2010 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

DAMMIT LOAFIE

THAT’S SUPPOSED TO BE YOUR SAVING GRACE

by Eyeball Kid on Jul 24, 2010 9:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Survival?

Shocking.

Karma police, arrest this man.

by wyte_lightning on Jul 24, 2010 9:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Triple?!

Milton!

According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.

by the other side on Jul 24, 2010 9:21 PM PDT reply actions  

MILTON!!!!

<3<3<3

Karma police, arrest this man.

by wyte_lightning on Jul 24, 2010 9:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Dave Cameron ranked the Mariners #6 in the Fangraphs organizational rankings.

#6org is a way of trolling him for what was perceived as a big mistake.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 24, 2010 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

In his preseason organisational ranking, Dave Cameron ranked the Mariners at #6

Fangraphs commenter, being the plague that they are, mention it on every article Dave writes, regardless of what the article actually contains. Matthew wrote a piece about the Rangers earlier and, because he’s a Mariners fan, the first comment feature the phrase #6org.

In short, FanGraphs commenters are a worthless bunch of cunts.

by Eyeball Kid on Jul 24, 2010 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

You mean "sent to Nazi-style concentration camps"?

Because that one I can agree with.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jul 24, 2010 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

OR DOUBLE!!

FIGLET!

Karma police, arrest this man.

by wyte_lightning on Jul 24, 2010 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

FIGLET!

Back on our good side for 5 minutes!

by James F'n X on Jul 24, 2010 9:32 PM PDT reply actions  

FIGGY DELIVERS WOOOHOOOOOOOOO

FUCK THE RED SOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by TWownsU on Jul 24, 2010 9:32 PM PDT reply actions  

124 pitches, probably time.

According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.

by the other side on Jul 24, 2010 9:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Why is Lester still out there anyway?

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by JY on Jul 24, 2010 9:32 PM PDT reply actions  

He was at 124 pitches when he was pulled.

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by JY on Jul 24, 2010 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, it's sketchy beard guy,

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by JY on Jul 24, 2010 9:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Loaded for Loafie, eh?

Color me pessimistic.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jul 24, 2010 9:38 PM PDT reply actions  

FUNK BLAST.

Or hit, or whatever.

According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.

by the other side on Jul 24, 2010 9:39 PM PDT reply actions  

It's ok, the Doritos softened that blow.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jul 24, 2010 9:40 PM PDT reply actions  

That's what I assumed from Dave's post.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jul 24, 2010 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's been pitched well.

He’s also swung at a lot of pitches out of the zone.

On the other hand, in his 867 professional PA that have not been with the Mariners, he walked 133 times, or 15.3% of them. In the majors, he’s walked over 12% of the time.

On balance, I’m still pretty happy to say that he has the best plate discipline in the organization.

by philosofool on Jul 24, 2010 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

"I’m still pretty happy to say that he has the best plate discipline in the organization."

Ackley says “hello”.

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by JY on Jul 24, 2010 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Could be.

Seager and Tenbrink are both pretty good, but I don’t quite see Seager running more walks than Ks. At least not yet at least.

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by JY on Jul 24, 2010 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's totally just going off minor leaguers, BTW.

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by JY on Jul 24, 2010 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Ackley is a very close second.

It’s a matter of how you measure discipline, which is a pretty nebulous concept. K/BB, Ackley is going to win every time, but he’s more of a contact hitter and less of a power hitter: it’s a function of Ks. I’d bet on Smoak to have the higher BB% in two years though. Also, Ackley hasn’t managed a 12% BB against MLB pitchers yet.

Anyway, it’s these two and Figgins, and there’s no real question about it.

by philosofool on Jul 24, 2010 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

So he's overheating?

That would explain all the fastballs.

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by JY on Jul 24, 2010 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

We're better than cancer.

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by Faux on Jul 24, 2010 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Red got an Adrian hug and we got a fun win-wheee!

I don’t even know Red and I’m so happy for him.

by wazzu93 on Jul 24, 2010 9:48 PM PDT reply actions  

I could never really understand this switch.

It seems to me kind of odd, when you have a person that played third pretty well to move him to second (where he looks uncomfortable) to shift a guy that played second (albeit not well) to third base where he never played. It seemed to me a case of weakening two positions, but hey, I’m not a major league manager.

by Henry H on Jul 24, 2010 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I'd say the service time cutoff is more likely.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jul 24, 2010 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you want to prevent them from getting a full year, it's 10 days after the season starts (172 days counts as a year, with 182 days in the season)

But if you want to prevent them from being a Super Two, it varies. Once they get to two full years the top 17% of guys in that class (all players with between two and three years) with the most service time get arbitration. Usually it ends up being somewhere around 50 days in, so probably June.

by OlSalty on Jul 24, 2010 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

After the disaster that was April, he was well above .800 in West Tenn.

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by JY on Jul 24, 2010 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good reason to wait to call him up.

We have enough guys that traditionally stink up April/May on the roster now.

by Henry H on Jul 24, 2010 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure that was part of his initial contract.

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by Faux on Jul 24, 2010 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

.

Link

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by Faux on Jul 24, 2010 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why did he lost all the power he had in UNC? He's a slap, ground ball hitter

now who still walks. His style isn’t anywhere close to Chase Utley. I am concern about his power.

by brian_sun on Jul 24, 2010 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

He was never that much of a power hitter.

He only hit for power in his final season at UNC. If you look at him, he’s only 6’1, 185lbs, so while he probably will end up hitting for some power, I think of it as being more a product of his bat skills than being physically a beast.

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by JY on Jul 24, 2010 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Figgins has never hit more than nine home runs in a season.

Ackley would figure to do that on a regular basis. Fifteen is a pretty common low-end projection for him.

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by JY on Jul 24, 2010 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Has an excellent eye too, correct?

Working counts could supplement his raw power.

by John Morgan on Jul 24, 2010 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right, his eye is about as good as you can hope for.

For the season, his K/BB is 45/57, and he’s had more walks than strikeouts since sometime in May I think.

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by JY on Jul 24, 2010 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's something that's usually better applied to free swingers.

He might hit better, because more pitches in the zone is always a good thing, but Ackley has such a good knowledge of the strikezone that it doesn’t really make a different. He’s just going to hit pitches that are in it and that’s that.

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by JY on Jul 24, 2010 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess more in a sense.

That he’ll likely get more pitches that are hittable because pitchers will be around the plate more often?

Its finally happened.

by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 24, 2010 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

The same is true for a lot of hitters, but yeah.

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by JY on Jul 24, 2010 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't this be cancelled out by more frequent and better breaking stuff?

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by Faux on Jul 24, 2010 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've heard this basic argument applied to free swingers more than anyone else, to be honest.

It was one of the ways Halman to Tacoma was rationalized. You give him a minor confidence boost and pitchers aren’t going to miss outside the zone as much. Win/win.

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by JY on Jul 24, 2010 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

So far PCL pitchers haven't quite picked up on that.

His Ks have gone down slightly this year. We’re talking like 2.5%, but it’s something.

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by JY on Jul 24, 2010 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't get me wrong, if he can replicate what Figgins did

in 2009 as a major league 2B year after year, I’d be pretty happy. But I think the Mariners lineup need a power hitter more than a slap hitter. I guess we are not going to find it in 2B.

by brian_sun on Jul 24, 2010 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nope.

For one, Chone Figgins is 5’8 and black.

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by JY on Jul 24, 2010 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Some power doesn't mean "barely get it out of the infield"

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by Faux on Jul 24, 2010 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

If he qualifies as a second baseman

Over two years, top 40% doesn’t seem far-fetched.

by John Morgan on Jul 24, 2010 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

ELIAS doesn't rate on WAR, either

and Lopez has a crap-ton of homers and a decent batting average.

by John Morgan on Jul 24, 2010 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

2B, 3B, and SS appear to be grouped together.

And at the estimates at the break, Lopez misses by 3 players

Elvis Andrus B 62.1
Alex Gonzalez None 61.4
Jhonny Peralta None 60.3
Jose Lopez None 54.4

by drblacknwhite on Jul 24, 2010 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

If it only scores over two years, this was the year to get out.

Next year he would have to have a hell of a bounce back once last year is taken out of the system.

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by Faux on Jul 24, 2010 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't offer arbitration if I sensed a weak market

but if Lopez makes a little noise over the next couple months, I could see some backwards franchise overvaluing him.

by John Morgan on Jul 24, 2010 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not sure

MLBTR probaly has it, though

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by bestbostonsports on Jul 24, 2010 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

What?

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by bestbostonsports on Jul 24, 2010 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

What makes you say that?

MLBTR is one of the better baseball sites on the web

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by bestbostonsports on Jul 24, 2010 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, it's not.

It has its place, but 98% of what’s there is baseless speculation and it leads to a great deal of annoying conversation at other, better websites.

by Aaron Campeau on Jul 24, 2010 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's the point.

It’s called MLB Trade Rumors. It has rumors and speculation, that’s the point.

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by bestbostonsports on Jul 24, 2010 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rumors are a mugs game

Not that MLB Trade Rumors isn’t successful, but rumors are snake oil. Bad ideas for the gullible.

by John Morgan on Jul 24, 2010 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

People who go to MLBTR go there for the rumors.

That’s the point.

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by bestbostonsports on Jul 24, 2010 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

People who go to McDonalds go there and expect what they are getting and go there for that reason.

Same with MLBTR. If you don’t like the site, fine, but it’s there for people who like the rumors

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by bestbostonsports on Jul 24, 2010 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

You said:
MLBTR is one of the better baseball sites on the web

I’m not arguing that it doesn’t deliver what it promises, I’m arguing that what it promises to deliver is crap.

by Aaron Campeau on Jul 24, 2010 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's a rumor site

And that’s what readers go there to see

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by bestbostonsports on Jul 24, 2010 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's page views say otherwise

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by bestbostonsports on Jul 24, 2010 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

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by bestbostonsports on Jul 24, 2010 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

It is rather circular, much like a toilet flush.

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by Faux on Jul 24, 2010 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can rec this for irony, right? Because you were being ironic...

RIGHT?

MLBTR is the site that other baseball sites spend their time cleaning up after.

by Jeff Nye on Jul 24, 2010 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure if you can offer arbitration to a player whose option you've declined

but I think there’s a good chance his arbitration award would be higher than his option.

by Aaron Campeau on Jul 24, 2010 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good game guys

I commend you for hitting Lester a little bit.
But you did get a bit lucky with Patterson there!

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by bestbostonsports on Jul 24, 2010 9:56 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

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