7/23: Open Game Thread
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 23, 2010 6:45 PM PDT
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It's nice that Beckett gets to come off the DL and make a rehab start at the same time.
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Stop promoting!
The less we talk about it, the less chance we have of seeing it in new and awful manifestations as the years go on.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
So... the LOLcat night was not an official Mariners promotion, but a group type of affair right?
Vampire night is an official promotion?
2-0 count? He should have bunted!
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I bet Beckett wouldn't have gotten hurt if he had a titanium necklace like Pedroia
by Matthew on Jul 23, 2010 7:19 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
The results of titanium necklaces leave me skeptical at best.
I would give this article a read before you jump to any conclusions.
I randomly selected this article to troll you.
Upon hitting post I actually read it:
The necklaces are sported most prominently by Matt Hasselbeck of the Seattle Seahawks, Joba Chamberlain of the New York Yankees and Josh Beckett of the Boston Red Sox, who believe that they enhance their physical and mental abilities.
I expect high quality out of your comments Matthew.
His looks to be more like a surfer necklace.
That’s just asking for lower back strain.
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By the way, Tacoma Gameday Link
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2010_07_23_srcaaa_tacaaa_1
for Pineda-related following
Works for me,
but here’s a static boxscore link
They're all working fine except the Tacoma and Fresno games, annoyingly.
Thanks for the boxscore though.
Interesting but useless fact:
Chone Figgins has gone 3-1 exactly 31 times. Yet he has only 8 ABs thanks to 23 walks. In those 8 at bats, he is 2 for 8.
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On a 3-0 count, Chone Figgins has never once connected with the ball. He has 7 PAs and 0 ABs
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by CapSea on Jul 23, 2010 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
On a 1-2 count, Chone Figgins' OPS is .140
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That's good for a -30 OPS+
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To be fair, that was pretty dumb of the ump and I think it was foul
And Ichiro did nearly the same thing.
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 23, 2010 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Ichiro can afford to
he still scores if he stops to chop one of his legs off.
His hands were up in the air because he was trying to dodge the ball.
I’m not really sure what to make of that play but because the fan interfered, everything turned out just like it should have if everything made sense, so okay.
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There were totally two separate moves by the umpire.
One was to get out of the way, the other was to throw his hands up.
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by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jul 23, 2010 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
but I think he went straight to the hands up because he had already thrown his hands up to get out of the way. Sort of instinctive. .
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Okay, that's plausible.
I accept your judgment.
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by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jul 23, 2010 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought it was foul.
Guy seemed to be paying attention for the most part.
He interfered with a ball that pretty much everyone in the stadium thought was foul.
Including the umpire, who initially called it foul. (And there’s no way I believe that he was doing anything but calling it foul.)
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 23, 2010 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions
The umpire should be thanking the fan.
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If I was that fan, I'd be so pissed right now.
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by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jul 23, 2010 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Did they show the fan getting ejected on TV?
MLB.TV cut out on me, but I heard Dave Niehaus talking about it.
Milton Bradley is my hero.
No, they almost never do.
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I don't know why, but Jack Wilson's throws to first always look strange to me.
They seem to be kind of lobbed, but they’re always easy for the 1B to grab.
I notice the same thing
To me, they always look as if they’re going to sail over the first baseman’s head, but end up right on target
Kyle Suzuki locked up by the A's for what appears to be an amazing steal unless I am reading it wrong.
Also, Texas beat the Angels, so they’re almost completely out.
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Kurt. I don't know what is wrong with me today.
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Kurt Suzuki is pretty good. The A's got a very good deal as far as I know.
Milton Bradley is my hero.
Whatever, that author isn't credible.
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Fangraphs: It's a win for both sides.
Fangraphs commenter #1: What kind of a bitch ass bullshit bias fucking review is that you stupid cock sucking twat?
Fangraphs commenter #2: this si da wurst
Fangraphs commenter #3: I agree 100% with this analysis. Great article.
Fangraphs commenter #4: Well, Fangraphs has officially jumped the shark in terms of analysis.
Fangraphs commenter #5: Kurt Suzuki’s defense is well above average. He is known throughout the league as one of the top defenders in ctRA.
Fangraphs commenter #6: Interesting. This is one of those deals that truly does look like a fair deal on both sides.
Fangraphs commenter #7: Based on my own analysis, catcher attrition for weak hitting catchers does not begin until 34, so I would disagree with your assessment. vr, Xei
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by CapSea on Jul 23, 2010 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Pineda's given up a solo homer and struk out 5 through 3 innings.
and it looks like Liddi isn’t going to make it five straight games with a homer.
He gave up a homer?
Looks like a HBP and a triple in the box score I’ve got.
by drblacknwhite on Jul 23, 2010 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe not, but it's still tied, so he could do something.
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by JY on Jul 23, 2010 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Pineda has struck out eight in four innings.
The Rainiers are getting no-hit.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 23, 2010 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Nuts.
That means the HR streak and the 2+ hits streak is coming to an end. Oh well, at least he singled.
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by JY on Jul 23, 2010 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions
No, that's the complain about most of the hitters on the Mavericks roster.
Liddi only had six home runs a week ago. Now he has ten. This is good but at the same time raises questions about his ability to hit for power consistently, which was always the gripe about LaHair. Also, his defense has been unusually shoddy this season.
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by JY on Jul 23, 2010 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions
He is objectively good!
I am glad that he is closing!
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by JY on Jul 23, 2010 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions
FUCK YOU YOU LITTLE SHIT
NO. YOU OBVIOUSLY LIVE HERE BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT RALLY FRIES ARE BUT YOU’RE TOO MUCH OF A FAGGY LITTLE PISSANT TO DEAL WITH CHEERING FOR A TEAM THAT LOSES, EVEN THOUGH THEY’RE YOUR HOMETOWN TEAM. SO YOU KNOW WHAT? NO. YOU DIDN’T GET ANY RALLY FRIES. YOU GET A RALLY KICK-OF-YOUR-NEWLY-DESCENDED-TESTICLES STRAIGHT BACK THROUGH YOUR TORSO AND INTO YOUR THROAT YOU STUPID LITTLE CUNT-DROPPING.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 23, 2010 7:41 PM PDT reply actions 6 recs
Cunt-dropping?
Neat.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 23, 2010 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I want to see whatever this is in reference to.
2010 Safeco Field Record: 1-1 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 11-5
So, the Ms team store is clearing out Cliff Lee jerseys for ~120/pop. Not too shabby, right?
But I can get a Johjima jersey for 89. Which would you choose? (And no, this isn’t just a game of which is cheapest…if they were still selling Sexson ones for 5, I’d still pick one of the above. Although a Cirillo one would be good just for WTF value).
Johjima.
He was here for a long time and left under awesome circumstances. Owning a Lee jersey would be at first painful and then three or four years from now just kind of weird.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 23, 2010 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Boy am I glad I didn't pull the trigger on that James Milner Villa jersey
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 23, 2010 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Speaking of Villa
Am I the only one who sees a slight resemblance between Justin Smoak and Gabriel Agbonlahor?
Last spendy sportswear I bought was a no-name Sounders jersey.
No way in hell was I getting a Montero or a Ljungberg.
I will not buy a jersey tthat says Ichiro on it.
I’m Asian and literally every Asian at Safeco has a Ichiro shirt. I got a Guti jersey instead.
Argh
Figuratively. Figuratively. Figuratively.
Apparently not that much fun.
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Very little of this gamethread is actually about the game.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
Finally! 2008 threads are BACK BABY!
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We have a lead against one of the better teams in the league.
By the tenor of this thread, I probably would have no idea that the M’s were in such a position.
I’m not really complaining. I’m of the same mindset as everyone else, biding my time until it become appropriate to say that the Orioles won, Pittsburgh lost, and Arizona is surely playing a game of baseball or something.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 23, 2010 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I still think that dude down the third base line got boned by the umpire.
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by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jul 23, 2010 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions
And they didn't throw the umpire out, even after that kissing fiasco a few years back?
The umpires really are outside the law in this game.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 23, 2010 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Way to jinx it.
Goddamn!
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by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jul 23, 2010 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions
This does not appear to be a comment about Oreos.
Please keep Mariner game threads off topic.
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In 2011, a kid will say "Lopez rules."
I disagree, kid. Lopez sucks.
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by CapSea on Jul 23, 2010 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dustin Ackley's favorite movie is Rambo and his favorite book is The Da Vinci Code.
You got slurved!
WHY DO THEY ALWAYS GET STUPIDER WHEN THEY ARRIVE?!
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Cliff Lee doesn't read books at all.
He’s beyond all that
ignacio
He's flat out uninteresting.
But hey, he’s a team player, a hard worker, and good at baseball.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 23, 2010 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions
He also doesn't appear to smell.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 23, 2010 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions
To stay in baseball form he avoids fried foods and soft drinks.
Thank God he didn’t spend much time with Griffey.
Milton Bradley is my hero.
Couldn't figure out why Lopez was playing shortstop right there.
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by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jul 23, 2010 8:06 PM PDT reply actions
cOULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHY lOPEZ WAS PLAYING SHORTSTOP RIGHT THERE.
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by CapSea on Jul 23, 2010 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
Atta boy, Red. Glad to see the Mariner colors back.
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Jesus
Josh Lueke just cleaned up after Liddi’s 20th (!!!) error by striking out the side in the 9th.
Good thing Liddi can you or he'd be a total bust.
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Something like this
Dave Sims: “A lot of Red Sox fans out there. I wonder if there’s a lot of transplants, or if most of them discovered the team in 2004, 2007, and couldn’t find Boston on a map.”
33!
He said to Blowers something to the effect of "You grew up here, did that many people move here from New England"
and then “I bet a lot of them became fans in 2004 or 2005, probably can’t find Boston on a map”
Determined, Jonesing Commentor
I <3 Pineda.
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by JY on Jul 23, 2010 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions
He has struck out everyone on the other team and it's the 5th inning.
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I sincerely hope that one of the reasons this thread isn't active is because everyone's down at Cheney.
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by JY on Jul 23, 2010 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions
But if they just abandoned ship because the Mariners suck, hey that's all right.
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by JY on Jul 23, 2010 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions
11 consecutive outs by strikeout?
He’s probably done for the night though, right? Aren’t they keeping him to 85 pitches?
He's probably done after the inning.
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by JY on Jul 23, 2010 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions
We should call him "the tree."
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by CapSea on Jul 23, 2010 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Perfect
His name is Pineda for christ’s sake.
by Eyeball Kid on Jul 23, 2010 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, yours is better.
I’ll put mine out to to stud.
by Eyeball Kid on Jul 23, 2010 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Last game I was at I saw a kid in an Angels hat and Redsox shirt.
I blame the parents.
Milton Bradley is my hero.
You are correct.
Red is obviously a special case.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 23, 2010 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Cameron is the opposite of Lopez.
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Worse still, Pineda's still in line for the loss.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 23, 2010 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Huh on page 8 of new google images when you search for Dustin Ackley is Mat Latos' girlfriend,
You got slurved!
There are no females on page 8 of a Google image search for Dustin Ackley
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by Griffin Cooper on Jul 23, 2010 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Never GIS anything on Scruffy's computer.
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What do you mean Mat Latos' girlfriend?
We’ve always been interested in Dustin Ackley!
First comes love, then comes marriage,
then comes an abrupt and tragic miscarriage.
by I Lick Squirrels on Jul 23, 2010 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions
A lesbian?
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 23, 2010 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Something Ian Snell or Rowland-Smith can't do.
Or any other starting pitcher in the Mariners rotation not named Felix Hernandez or Doug Fister
Building to the Future is actually about the future!
Nick Franklin leads the Midwest League with 18 home runs!
One of the BA people called Franklin a potential all-star recently.
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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by JY on Jul 23, 2010 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Is he looking better from the right hand side?
I remember hearing that he looked way better batting lefty earlier this season.
Nope, still blows.
Don’t care really though, so long as it’s his left side that’s better.
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by JY on Jul 23, 2010 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions
That's a decent consolation if he can't switch hit.
Lefty power hitting shortstop? Neato.
It's easier now that Trout's gone.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 23, 2010 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope Pineda has a cool press conference in Seattle with Jack Z sometime.
Milton Bradley is my hero.
Is this one of those slow, sloppy, low-scoring games?
Or is that just Beckett? I’ve mostly heard his half-innings.
Jesus fuck is this over the error on Saunders?
WHY THE FUCK HAVEN’T YOU BENCHED LOPEZ YET FOR MENTAL LAPSES
I dislike the nickname "Figger" used for anything that isn't a joke.
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Ok, I've just been using that since Dave called him that. I can change it though.
Milton Bradley is my hero.
Figlet =).
and I’m not accusing you of anything, so no worries.
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Yeah, that seems really strange.
Wak almost in a physical fight? Who-what?
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by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jul 23, 2010 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Lueke struckout the side to end the game
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
An argument between Wak and Figgy
God fucking damnit. Figgy at least is useful and for the next 3 years too.
Lopez is lazy and retarded
Figgins may or may not have had a mental lapse
Determined, Jonesing Commentor
Figgins is lazy?
Where are you getting this
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by Griffin Cooper on Jul 23, 2010 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions
HOLY CRAP
Don Wakamatsu and Chone Figgins get into a heated shouting match and almost come to blows according to Dave Sims. That’s why Paperboy’s in.
He's an improvement over the current version of Figgins so 'm all for it,
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I like this outcome better
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
I had such hopes for him :(
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by JY on Jul 23, 2010 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Wak, Figgins, Lopez and Branyan involved?
I know who I have in that fight.
Branyan? Really?
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by Griffin Cooper on Jul 23, 2010 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Branyan probably high fived Figgins and now Chone will be out for 6 to 8 weeks.
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That was a bad ass little breakdance he did there.
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Where is everyone getting this?
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Man, I missed that completely.
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So did I, and I have no idea how.
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by Griffin Cooper on Jul 23, 2010 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Sims is better than sex.
I fucking hate you Mariners
"Hey fuckheads, stop booing Beltre."
“Hey Red Sox Nation, you’re just a bunch of bandwagoners.”
“And here’s the down low on the spat in the dugout.”
I love our broadcast team.
33!
My favorite, "Well stroked"
I fucking hate you Mariners
Lopez going after someone. It was all kind of a mess.
Eric Byrnes said his source said Branyan was somehow involved. And Figgins looked furious, but I didn’t see him do anything other than fume. Lopez had to be held back from someone (Wak?) by several teammates.
Lopez was being restrained?
Figgins was just fuming? What the hell is going on?
Eric Byrnes?
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by JY on Jul 23, 2010 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Though Byrnes said Wak wasn't involved.
But he made it clear he had just one source in Seattle, and that source wasn’t fully clear on what happened.
But Lopez being restrained definitely happened. I seen it.
Salk and Baker seem to think Wak benching Figgins was the start of it.
If Lopez had to be restrained though, that’s uh…I don’t know what to think.
by drblacknwhite on Jul 23, 2010 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe Figgins said something after the benching?
I really cannot understand this.
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This is the only thing that makes sense to me.
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Finally a reason to go to Baker's blog!
And in Baker’s blog, I see nothing.
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There is never a reason to go to Baker's blog.
He’s dead to me.
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by CapSea on Jul 23, 2010 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
"These stylists would be bettrer if they put the gel in BEFORE they start cutting."
“Let’s trade these buzz cutters for that chainsaw, since it’s a proven winner.”
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by CapSea on Jul 23, 2010 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I TOLD YOU TO GET ALL WHITE PLAYERS
You got slurved!
by Slurvey on Jul 23, 2010 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Baker actually does a nice job during spring training
he gets some nice video and stuff like that.
Milton Bradley is my hero.
You know who else does a good job in spring training?
Tui. Mike Sweeney.
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by JY on Jul 23, 2010 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions 8 recs
Taking potshots at me and Goose was lame
but going after DMZ after he had stepped away from USSM because he was burned out from dealing with crap was the real dick move.
I have not been filled in on this story.
Most people just say “drop it” when it’s brought up. And I haven’t been brave enough to ask.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 23, 2010 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought you used to comment on his blog back in the day?
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Yeah, he really gear switched from generally amiable dude to Skip Bayless pretty quick.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 23, 2010 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Wasn't even Griffey related material either.
I think it was right about the time Geoff started defending himself for his special privileges to the players.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 23, 2010 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Mentally unbalanced?
How’s that so far a stretch?
Joking aside, DMZ might have been the only one mentally unbalanced in anything. I remember him being very frustrated when he retired. I was a little sad that he retired in such a way, because if there’s one thing that the kind of people who made his life miserable wanted to accomplish, it was to get to him. I like Derek’s writing and I miss his humor. He provided a great balance to Dave’s more direct tone.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 23, 2010 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions
He kept it in check though.
When we were at the events, Baker would come up as a topic and Derek would shake his head and make some veiled references to the differences he’d had with Baker, but I don’t remember them being made explicit and aired on USSM. Someone can point me to it if they were.
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by JY on Jul 23, 2010 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Dave seemed amiable towards Baker up until the caricature post.
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by JY on Jul 23, 2010 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah. Dave kept defending Baker as a godsend over our previous beat writer.
And maybe he still is.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 23, 2010 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Meh.
I go to Drayer now for clubhouse stuff and Kirby/Drayer/Divish tweets for news.
I still use Dave Cameron's list from last off season.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 23, 2010 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions
It also lacks Kirby Arnold, and I think he's awesome, but whatever.
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by JY on Jul 23, 2010 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Truth.
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by JY on Jul 23, 2010 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I know next to jack shit about Twitter, so I don't know how to modify it.
I’d like to add a couple of folks.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 23, 2010 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Not really talking about Geoff getting to DMZ, just the overall quality of the commenters on the blog.
Something that has also irritated the crap out of Dave.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 23, 2010 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I can only speak to that...
from the perspective of having seen a lot of the riffraff that comes into USSM, recognizing it as the most read blog about the Mariners, and mouthing off almost immediately.
It’s the basic problem of the kind of exposure we have. Nothing can really be done about it, but it’s exhausting to deal with day after day. You’re not even seeing some of the things that don’t get out of the mod queue.
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by JY on Jul 23, 2010 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions
That was one of Derek's ways to vent.
He’d do a blog post showing us some of the stupid things that were mod queued. They were hilarious and he should have done more. Let the masses laugh at the village idiots.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 23, 2010 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions
There were a few angry drafts that never made it to post.
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by JY on Jul 23, 2010 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Basic damage control.
Others have referred to it in this thread by now, but when it went down initially the tempers were pretty high and we were trying to circumvent that by ignoring Baker entirely.
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by JY on Jul 23, 2010 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly.
The potshots against readers that he’s never really had to interact with, that’s kind of a low blow but whatever. Making fun of one of the blogosphere’s founding members as he’s retiring because of ongoing bullshit, that’s a bit worse.
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by JY on Jul 23, 2010 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions
They haven't showed it on FSN.
NESN may have, but hard to tell from the twitterverse.
by drblacknwhite on Jul 23, 2010 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions
You didn't miss any footage. Just words. And not as many names as have been
alluded to here, unless I’m missing the words.
by TrustBaseball on Jul 23, 2010 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions
There is no way in hell Wak is retained past this season.
by BrianL on Jul 23, 2010 8:44 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Yup
I wasn’t pro-firing Wakamatsu before but that’s a potential table-turner
Determined, Jonesing Commentor
I mean, Figgins is regarded as being a pretty nice, easy going guy right?
What the hell do you say to him that throws him into a rage?
He's known to be an extremely intense player.
He’s essentially Milton Bradley without the anger. So I could see it being possible he overloads.
...and now I'm here
Someone correct me if I'm wrong about this.
...and now I'm here
I genuinely don't think this is the case.
But I am not completely disagreeing. From what I heard about him, he has a crapload of pride and energy, and those are recipes for disaster when you also suck.
...and now I'm here
Yep; I could see Wak making a snarky comment and Figgins snapping a radish because he knows he's been caca.
by wazzu93 on Jul 23, 2010 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Snapping a radish?
Okay I’m working that into my vocabulary of phrases.
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by JY on Jul 23, 2010 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it similar to being "off your nut".
by TrustBaseball on Jul 23, 2010 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions
So maybe this won't be going into the stock of phrases.
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by JY on Jul 23, 2010 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions
No, but I'll use it for other situations.
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by JY on Jul 23, 2010 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Tell him he's batting ninth?
I mean, I have no idea what happened but I’m not going to lay this entirely at Wak’s feet until we know what happened.
No matter what, benching Figgins in the 5th inning is a knee-jerk reaction unless Figgins held him at knifepoint or something
I don’t like kneejerk reactions
Determined, Jonesing Commentor
by Corco on Jul 23, 2010 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Then again..
This isn’t the first time an event like this has occurred in baseball. Maybe this will lead to a number of players pulling their heads out of their collective asses.
Rob...
Johnson?
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by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jul 23, 2010 8:44 PM PDT reply actions
What, we love them now?
Ug, we’ll never get rid of them.
by TrustBaseball on Jul 23, 2010 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions
But he just blocked one!
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by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jul 23, 2010 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions
FSN claims they have a camera dedicated to the home dugout
but they seem to miss all the good footage.
They may have.
I was reading about a fight in the M’s dugout on twitter before Sims brought it up, just don’t know if they had video or just talked about it before FSN got around to it.
by drblacknwhite on Jul 23, 2010 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Come on. It's M's vs Red Sux and it tied.
Tell us about the incident.
by TrustBaseball on Jul 23, 2010 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions
They have the footage. No doubt.
I fucking hate you Mariners
At the last All-Star game,
couldn’t you watch the game from either dugout online? It would be cool if you could do that using MLB.TV .
Milton Bradley is my hero.
Awwwwwwwkward
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by JY on Jul 23, 2010 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Strikeouts!
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
Well, after Ned Yost's dugout scuffle, he said
""It’s not a big deal. For eight months a year, we’re a family, and at times things happen. Tempers flare up. But it’s within the family, and it’s a little bit rude when your neighbors are fighting next door for you to go over and ask what happened. That’s kind of the case here. It’s nobody’s business what happened." "
I'm tempted to say that as outstanding as Guti is, Vargas may have been what made that trade truly valuable.
Sort of results based analysis, but not entirely.
...and now I'm here
I wouldn't go that far
But I’m certainly glad he was included
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by Griffin Cooper on Jul 23, 2010 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Extremely well regarded ace reliever for underutilized defense minded centerfielder is not an earth shattering trade.
But also receiving a cost controlled above average starting pitcher is pretty impressive. I don’t know that people expected him to be this successful, but if so, it’s pretty remarkable.
...and now I'm here
A lot of Smoak's fouls stay in play it seems.
I fucking hate you Mariners
So, I am only listening to the game, but it sounds like Vargas has been more timely than good.
Lots of big outs, but that’s not a skill, right?
He's gotten lucky, but he's had a bunch of good moments.
Swinging strikes!
Rec'd, cause fuck UW
I fucking hate you Mariners
UW vs. WSU is.
I think that was pretty clear.
...and now I'm here
My anti-Nate stance isn't because I'm a Coug
It’s because I’m a person who used to enjoy the Slam Dunk contest
Mine is because of a bad experience that I mentioned in the off topic thread of this website
and was the basis for the original comment in this thread.
...and now I'm here
Just read it
Safe to say you won’t be attending the Nate Robinson/Allen Iverson Celebrity Bowling Invitational?
Proceeds go to the Boys and Girls Club, or cocaine
I want him to get orally violated by Kobe Bryant and choke to death on his shaft a half hour before he finishes.
...and now I'm here
by CapSea on Jul 23, 2010 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
See, I missed the "him" in the above statement...
by Eyebrows on Jul 23, 2010 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's a pretty significant error on your part.
Why, that would change the whole meaning!
...and now I'm here
Well, it was a joke.
But yes, yes it is.
...and now I'm here
I couldn't care less about college sports
I just fucking hate the guy after reading CapSea’s story in the Off Top.
I was thinking the same thing
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
by Marinerfanjake on Jul 23, 2010 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions
What happened to Beckett?
Reach a pitch count limit or something? I’m not getting live audio/tv today.
Game!
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
Vargas's fastest pitch today was 88?
...and now I'm here
I used to picture Bernie Williams looking over at Johnny Damon and saying, "Dude, you got a weak arm."
Now I picture Jose Lopez looking over at Jack Wilson and saying, “Amigo, you got poor plate discipline”.
Griffey!
A friends 8 year old son looks over my shoulder asking if 88 was the pitch in the game.
I told him it was for the Mariners. He then walks away saying that the Mariners need new pitchers.
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
(mental image of Jack Wilson in cowboy boots and then giggling)
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by JY on Jul 23, 2010 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions
What was that movie...
With Gene Hackman, Sharon Stone and Leonardo DiCaprio as gunfighters? He would fit right in.
Snaggleteeth digging into some chaw, then hocking it into a spittoon.
P’TOO… DING!
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by JY on Jul 23, 2010 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Late to the show...but Pineda!!! and Figgins????
I fucking hate you Mariners
According to TNT
someone pulled it over his head. I had images of it stuck over his face in my mind. I’m a bit upset to hear it got pulled all the way off.
I like how this sounds like the story of the year, but there is nothing really about it yet anywhere.
...and now I'm here
Larry Larue posts
It’s a 1-1 tie headed into the seventh, but in the fifth inning there was a dugout scuffle that got rough enough to pull a jersey over the head of Jose Lopez. What happened? It’s not entirely clear, but it appeared the manager Don Wakamatsu approached second baseman Chone Figgins, who’d failed to cover second base on an outfield relay. According to photographers near the dugout, players and coaches imediately jumped in to separate the two. Figgins was replaced a moment later by Josh Wilson. Clearly, this isn’t over. There almost certainly will be some disciplinary action – and it would be nice if, for a change, the Seattle front office backed its manager instead of standing quietly on the sideline.
Read more: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/mariners#ixzz0uZSWsnfO
I don't think Larue needs to be making conclusions without knowing everything.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 23, 2010 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Fracas, hootinany, brouhaha... all pretty non-descript words for "something interesting that happened".
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 23, 2010 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions
A hootenanny is a celebration, not a scuffle.
by Eyeball Kid on Jul 23, 2010 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This here's a hoedown!
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 23, 2010 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions
HOOTENANNY!
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by JY on Jul 23, 2010 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions
HOEDOWN!
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 23, 2010 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions
HOOTENANNY!
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by JY on Jul 23, 2010 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
And who would have thought it's hard to find a picture of that particular scene.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 23, 2010 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I would have thought there was at least a .gif of it.
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by JY on Jul 23, 2010 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And a pretty good album...
from the Replacements, often overshadowed by “Tim” and “Let it Be”.
No one knows who pulled the jersey over his head?
I feel like this is the most important part that we’re missing.
...and now I'm here
It would be nice of FSN would show the footage instead of updating us on the NL West pennant race all the time.
I can’t believe NESN would have a camera on the M’s dugout and FSN doesn’t.
by drblacknwhite on Jul 23, 2010 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions
FSN has it, but FSN is like an outlet of the M's. They won't show it.
I fucking hate you Mariners
Now they've stopped showing it. I wonder if the M's asked them to stop or something.
Milton Bradley is my hero.
Hello shitstorm.
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by JY on Jul 23, 2010 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Branyan required multiple restrainers
...and now I'm here
I can see a situation where Lopez and Figgins were actually on the same side of the argument
...and now I'm here
"You both really fucking suck and need to do better."
“Fuck you, guy with bad back!”
...and now I'm here
by CapSea on Jul 23, 2010 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
To my eyes that appeared to be the case.
But the cameras obviously didn’t show the beginning of the fracas.
That was a loud curve ball for strike 3
I fucking hate you Mariners
At least he wasn't swinging at crap.
That called strike was a hell of a pitch and 95% of MLB guys can’t locate a curve ball that well consistently.
by philosofool on Jul 23, 2010 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Let's get another run.
These guys could use extra innings to hug it out.
Someone is going to pull Lopez's pants off for that last play
...and now I'm here
Sure Blowers, tough error. Whatever you say
He wasn’t looking at the ball and completely missed it. It was his fault all the way.
Jose Lopez getting his jersey pulled over his head
by w00tah on Jul 23, 2010 9:36 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
The play that Figgins got benched for.
by w00tah on Jul 23, 2010 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
I hate that all we are going to hear from players is that this is an incident that will stay in the clubhouse.
And that things are cool now.
Bullshit they are.
It's Branyan! His back is okay!!!
I fucking hate you Mariners
Performance coach.
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by JY on Jul 23, 2010 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah, I see...
Focusing on helping the players on the big league club achieve peak performance by assisting them with mental training geared towards maximizing performance potential.
I think he should be fired.
by lailaihei on Jul 23, 2010 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Totally.
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by JY on Jul 23, 2010 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Lopez was held back by one coach's right arm.
Someone is out of shape!
...and now I'm here
So....
Figgins doesn’t go after the ball, Branyan calls him out, Lopez sticks up for his homeboy, Branyan gets in his face, Lopez makes a crack about cripples, FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT?
That’s my guess.
Where is the blue Ox?
I fucking hate you Mariners
That sounds like Wak.
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by JY on Jul 23, 2010 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
"Wak held his ground and did not go at Figgins. Wak was not seen in the dugout the next half inning."
in the clubhouse talking to him?
I'm hoping so.
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by JY on Jul 23, 2010 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
And Salk weighs in with
“Shannon has the details coming. But this may end up being the watershed moment for Wak. Jack Z has big decisions to make. "
Had he not read what she wrote?
I don't know what to tell you
Maybe she was keeping everything secret for her big reveal
This does not explain why Branyan was pulling Lopez' jersey over his head.
by drblacknwhite on Jul 23, 2010 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions
It was the prelude to an absolutely shameful purple nurple.
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by JY on Jul 23, 2010 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions
What the fuck, the game's on?
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by JY on Jul 23, 2010 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I like Jack Wilson. I just do.
Ih he wasn’t so fragile…
ignacio
Cmon you humpbacked midget, get a hit.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
It's clearly because Griffey fell asleep in the clubhouse.
I fucking hate you Mariners
Wak was not involved.
His players are about to smack each other and he is not involved. Wak, you need to be involved. You need to control this, keep them apart, something, anything, that shows you have some control in the dugout.
by TrustBaseball on Jul 23, 2010 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
And blow this shit up
I fucking hate you Mariners
Well that was 3 months too late.
I fucking hate you Mariners
We gained ground on the Orioles today.
So did the Pirates, but eh.
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Nice job, Angie.
Don’t mention the only thing anybody actually cares about from this game.
They should interview Steve Hecht and get his thoughts on the game.
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by JY on Jul 23, 2010 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions
It's like they have no idea what they want to do about the story.
Meanwhile, Dave & Rick keep mentioning it.
And what were Bill Krueger's keys to the scuffle?
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by JY on Jul 23, 2010 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Let Wak talk the talk
...and now I'm here
by CapSea on Jul 23, 2010 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions 8 recs
Dammit, they replayed it and I looked away.
...and now I'm here
Here we go.
Branyan with a hell of a charge to get to Figgins and Lopez gets in the way. Still no footage of what happened to start it.
Jesus Christ
Lopez was the one going after Branyan. It looked like Figgins was backing off.
Lopez always befriends the tiny black guy.
...and now I'm here
No one said he was smart.
I fucking hate you Mariners
From the earlier footage Branyan was clearly going after Figgins and Lopez.
That was after Branyan’s charge, I think. Lopie was defending himself there.
by drblacknwhite on Jul 23, 2010 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions
This has to be the last straw for Lopez.
If he really did go after Branyan and Figgins was backing off, I hope Lopez is DFA’d in 2 hours.
I wonder if Drayer's account was a little Lopez positive.
She made it sound like he was the one intervening, which sort of emphasizes the ongoing point of him being a bit dumb but ultimately well-meaning.
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by JY on Jul 23, 2010 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions
The short footage makes it look like Figgy and Branyan were having words
Something happened and Branyan got pissed and had to be held back by like half the team. Lopez kind of getting in the middle to intervene, and it looked like Vargas was trying to cool down Figgy.
I don't understand the whole chanin of events.
Figgins and Wak I understand. The involvement of Branyan and Lopez is mysterious.
Griffey!
Jesus Christ do you know who we have in Tacoma to play the middle infield if we don't just call up Ackley?
Fucking Chris Woodward and Jeff Dominguez. IT’S HORRIBLE
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ARGH
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He isn't even hitting!
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Blowers takes the ballplayers' viewpoint
“I’ve seen it in the tunnel, I’ve seen it in the clubhouse, it’s going to happen. I guarantee you that it has happened somewhere already this season, between two players, between manager and player, we just happened to see it on camera.”
It kind of seems like Lopez is trying to take on the role of 'veteran presence'
(he is the longest-tenured Mariner besides Ichiro, after all), but unfortunately is retarded.
by I Lick Squirrels on Jul 23, 2010 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Waiting for Wak to say something is perhaps the stupidest thing to do
...and now I'm here
Seriously Wak?
The baserunning idiocy wasn’t cut and dry but this was?
Baserunning idiocy was aggressive. Watching the ball skip by is passive.
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Won't bench Lopez
When we’re actively shopping him.
by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 23, 2010 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
"Was Chone in the dugout?""
“Next Question.”
“Was Chone…”
“… Okay, we’re done.”
...and now I'm here
This effect has been well documented in presidents.
A study of managers of bad teams might be interesting.
Griffey!
You can't play this game if you're a robot?
But Ichiro.
She mentioned it later on air-- that the volume was incredible
and that during BP, Felix was all over Adrian, with happy happy razzing
I'd give a fair amount of money. .
to see Branyan square up with the Toad. Branyan would knock his fat ass all over the place. Ding DIng Schools in Bitch!
The Toad?
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by Griffin Cooper on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Thats my nickname for Lopez. . . . the toad. (Lazy, fat, slow)
His face resembles a fat toad. No emotion, just. . . . fat and lazy. I hate the guy and always have even when he was ok.
The Toad is Hideki Irabu.
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I love Toad. He was far from fat and lazy. Next your going to tell me Badger was a Nazi.
Fuck you in the shit hole! Badger was not a Nazi!
Sorry, preemptive strike.
Fuck the Angels
Just showed it again
Seemed to me like Figgins was arguing with Wak about something and Branyan snapped. In the slomo, Branyan is climbing over someone, apparently for Figgins, Wak is walking away while Figgins is being pulled away from Branyan and at the same time kinda yelling at Wak, and Lopez is between Figgins and Branyan and looks to be crapping his pants. Wak looks like he’s almost out of the area and then looks back to see Branyan going after someone.
My guess: Wak pissed off Figgins somehow, and Figgins reaction set off Branyan. And I have to think the stress in the dugout was there because of the Lopez situation.
It’s interesting that no one is talking about Branyan at all when he looks to be the guy who caused the team-wide rumble.
Figgins came into the dugout knowing he messed up
Wak justifiably angered by the lack of hustle by Figgins tells Figgins to have a seat.
Figgins, shocked that he’d been called out for his non-effort takes a step towards the water cooler. Branyan, who has been courting the water cooler for several weeks, tells Figgins to step away from the water cooler because that is HIS girlfriend. Then, Lopez, thinking HE is Branyan’s girl goes after Branyan with his batting glove. Next thing you know, the entire dugout is doing a Scottish jig and Josh Wilson hits a double.
by Shnarf Shnarf on Jul 23, 2010 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Interesting
I’d forgotten about Figgins “voicing his displeasure” about being dropped in the order.
I don’t disagree with moving him in the order, but you take these two incidents together and you could arrive at the conclusion that for whatever reason Wak is much harder on Figgins than Lopez. Lopez has sucked all year and nothing’s been done, yet Figgins is the only one being reprimanded.
by surfmonkey89 on Jul 23, 2010 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Drayer is just reading a quote she (coincidently) got from Figgins about Lopez earlier today
where he talks about Lopez “coming to play every day” which is Figgins’ highest compliment.
I like Drayer
but let’s be honest: she basically acts as a propaganda arm for the Ms. She never has anything the least bit controversial to report.
by surfmonkey89 on Jul 23, 2010 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you kidding?
She’s not the least bit critical, except on Twitter
by surfmonkey89 on Jul 23, 2010 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
No
Just reading her blog.
I guess I’m wrong then. That’s fine, I have nothing against her.
by surfmonkey89 on Jul 23, 2010 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
I guess I should be more fair. She’s no Geoff Baker, and that’s a good thing
by surfmonkey89 on Jul 23, 2010 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Cause we're trying to trade Figgins....
by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 23, 2010 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, and btw
if everyone (Griffey included) is pissed about how Wak handled the Jr situation, well, too bad. It seems to me like a lot of the players think Jr should have been left alone to suck all year, which boggles the mind. I’m actually with Wak/Z on that one.
by surfmonkey89 on Jul 23, 2010 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions
This is an irrelevant non-story and let's not bring it up here.
...and now I'm here
I know
if there’s lingering resentment over Griffey “being forced out” this team is way more of a lost cause than I thought
by surfmonkey89 on Jul 23, 2010 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
For what it is worth, they were talking to one of the younger guys (can't recall which one, but one of the ones who grew up idolizing Griffey)
and he sounded completely unsurprised by the way Griffey left— that Griff had always said “one day I just won’t be here” and he wasn’t
I love how Branyan was actually chocking Lopez.
Kick Both their asses Branyan!
by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 23, 2010 10:32 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I've reread this whole game thread, watched the various GIFs, and I still can't really tell what the hell happened.
Or, rather, who to be mad at.
D'awwwwwwwww
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Bizarre
This whole thing sounds like everyone was up tight and needed to vent, and this just provided the opportunity.
by surfmonkey89 on Jul 23, 2010 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm thinking he's a bit of a loose cannon, with maybe more emotional damage than MB.
by TrustBaseball on Jul 23, 2010 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
...What?
There’s absolutely no basis to say something like that.
I think there might be some basis or I wouldn't have posted it.
Injured wife, plead not guilty, protection order issued, denied visitation, I think there is some basis for my comment. I just hope the Mariner’s continue to go with and support Felix as the ambassador for their “Refuse to Abuse” campaign. Russell just doesn’t seem like the best “leader” for this effort or any leadership effort the Mariner’s should want to pursue.
by TrustBaseball on Jul 24, 2010 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, it's been brought up before and really has no place being brought up again, especially in this context.
See this link.
Wow, I wasn't aware that this had been discussed already. Thank you for the link.
by TrustBaseball on Jul 24, 2010 2:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Wait, so what. Less than 12 people discussed it in the post you cited.
I’m standing by my post. I don’t believe for a second that he doesn’t know his own strength. We all know the hurt we could put on our girlfriends/wives/partners. His teammates knew the hurt he could put on whoever might have been the recipient of his anger today. He’s not getting any points from me. Sorry Russell, you need to get control over yourself. Check with MB for some pointers.
by TrustBaseball on Jul 24, 2010 2:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm not a mod here, and will defer to the people who are
But generally when Matthew or Jeff says “this subthread is closed” that isn’t an invitation to bring the same topic up in another thread, especially one that is so tenuously related to said topic.
Which, well, was the point of me linking you to what I did.
I'm sorry. I didn't get to the "this subthread is closed". I stopped after Jeff's green comment.
You should be a mod and my comment should have been flagged.
by TrustBaseball on Jul 24, 2010 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions
He has a $5 million mutual option next year.
If we have a role for him and his back’s ok, I’d be fine with exercising it.
by drblacknwhite on Jul 23, 2010 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Considering how he signed for $2 this year, I think $5's way too high
Especially when he still has back problems acting up.
Because of the injury risk
…to Chone Figgins?
Because there isn't any reason to give him a 200% plus raise.
Let him hit free agency, and if he’s willing to resign again at 2m, maybe he’s an option if he’s needed.
Cot’s thinks the Indians are on the hook for his buyout, anyway.
This is true, and I should have thought it about it before I made the comment.
My mistake.
by drblacknwhite on Jul 23, 2010 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions
*thought about it.
I clearly need to be done for the night.
by drblacknwhite on Jul 23, 2010 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Whoa. That would be interesting.
Can you do that? I didn’t think you could add a clause to a trade that could only take effect if the Mariners decide to buyout the option. In other words, something after the trade has already been completed. Aside from PTBNL, that is, which is weird to begin with. Unless it has already been decided and agreed upon at the time of the trade. Which would mean there’s no way in hell Branyan’s option is picked up.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 24, 2010 3:03 AM PDT up reply actions
To better understand the play...
Wasn’t Figgins’ first responsibility on that play to cover second base to take a throw from the cutoff man? You can see Jack Wilson skying up to try to get the ball…so clearly he, too ,expected the ball to be cut. So by the time the ball goes over his head there’s basically no chance for Figgins to get over from covering the base to get the ball.
I admit that player positioning on balls in play is not my long suit…so I’d be interested to hear where Figgins should have been on that one.
um.
The play at 2nd happens.
Wak sees something that (unlike baserunning, which could be interpreted as “aggressive”) is a non-play that can be seen as not trying.
He finally hits the breaking point and says something to Figgins.
Figgins (who has previously misinterpreted Wak when he thought that being moved to 9th was an indictment of his preparedness) is pissed because he is “always ready to play”
He steps towards his manager as they argue.
Lopez steps between them.
Much pulling and surging occurs.
Branyan goes along the bench trying to get to the other side of the pile. (he had a long explanation that I had a hard time hearing— hopefully quoted by someone later)
Alonzo Powell pulls Lopez’ jersey over his head as they move the scrum back and forth
Does that seem right?
Apparently Josh Wilson said he missed a lot of what was happening as he was warming up, having been told he’d be going in the game, so the decision to bench Figgins happened before the inning ended.
Maybe Figgins got in Wak's face when Wak told Figgins he'd been pulled?
Then maybe Lopez came to Figgins’ defense, Branyan to Wak’s, and various others got in the middle.
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