Season of Disappointments
2010 has sucked. The Red Sox got a version of Beltre we had only dreamed of, the White Sox saw Declining Rios transform into Super Rios, and the Twins are watching Liriano try to win a Cy Young. The Mariners got, what, Jason Vargas and Doug Fister showing the world they might stick around in the back end of a rotation for a few years? Hey look, Michael Saunders is third of M's position players in WAR! ...with a .315 wOBA. No, we didn't get any magical, miracle seasons from unsuspecting heroes. We didn't even get to see something cool like Jose Bautista lead the league in home runs just a year after being traded for a PTBNL.
So to celebrate a season of disappointments, I'm going to count down my 5 most disappointing Mariners of 2010.
I never expected Bradley to be a superstar like he was with Texas, but I certainly expected him to wOBA something like .340. Instead, we got sub-.300 wOBA Bradley. Since 2002 he has never had a lower walk rate, a higher strikeout rate, and none of the power he lost last year has returned. When Bradley was a premium hitter he was a patient batter who didn't strike out all too much, made solid contact, and could even steal a few bases and knock a few homeruns out. The contact skill has taken a nosedive, and now it looks like the best we can expect going forward is something like a league average hitter, hoping he regains some of his lost walks, strikes out a bit less, and gets on base at a .350 clip. I don't think I'm the only one who's slightly disappointed at the lack of non-baseball incidents, either. But all-in-all, it's hard for me to be too disappointed because hey we got him for a few million bucks and got rid of Silva in the process.
You tricked me, Ryan. You fooled me into coming into 2010 thinking that you were something more than a #5 starter. I honestly thought you limited walks just enough and struck out just enough people to be something that almost resembles average. I like you, Hyphen. I like you the person, the personality, the guy who responds to both his fans and his foes on Twitter in a classy way. But I don't like watching a pitcher with a HR/9 higher than his K/BB. I thought you would be able to hold down the fort after Lee and Felix pitched, making series sweeps with you three going seem relatively easy. Go back to being a reliever, and see if you can strike people out again, because it's just not working having you as a starter and I have zero confidence that you'll put up even one good outing this season.
I was always a bigger fan of A-Rod, Randy Johnson, Edgar Martinez, and then even liked Mike Cameron more than Griffey. I can understand the ridiculous love that people have for this guy, but the expectations at the ballpark seemed a little too high. He wasn't going to save the Mariners again, and for those that came to the ballpark to watch "The Kid" play one more time, they were probably going to be disappointed. But there was that chance he would put that swing on the ball one more time, that beautiful swing Seattleites have grown to love, the swing some say is the prettiest lefty swing ever, and hit one more home run. He did that successfully in 2009, hitting a HR more often than once every 13 at bats, and he pleased a lot of fans even if he was just a replacement level player. In 2010 that all fell apart. He went from replacement level DH to a player who catch up to a fastball any more in a hurry. Maybe he still pleased some fans this year, but it's hard to watch when a guy grounds out to the right side more often than Kotchman, can't play a defensive position, and has less homeruns than Eliezer Alfonso. I didn't like that he came back in 2010 because I thought we could win and a replacement level DH doesn't help us win, but I didn't expect this.
2. Jose Lopez
If Lopez wasn't having his best fielding season since he started eating Doritos, he would be a negative WAR player in 2010. After consistently being a 2 win player for a couple years and seemingly making a smooth transition to 3B, it seemed he was going to turn from an average player to an average player with versatility! That doesn't mean much, but it's fun and I thought maybe it could increase his trade value. Instead, his trade value went from something to negative by putting up the same slash line he did in 2004 as a rookie except with less power. Lopez would be higher on this list if he ever gave me the impression he was hard worker or intelligent, but returning to rookie form was beyond what I had imagined.
I was really excited when we signed Figgins; premium defender, .360 career OBP, and running wild. The embodiment of Angels baseball and the most annoying guy on a roster of annoying guys. Well, that's one thing that hasn't changed, and that's why he's #1 on the list. The walks are still there, but he's not driving the ball with any authority. He doesn't need a ton of extra base hits to be a successful hitter, but he does have to hit the ball hard enough to keep it out of the reach of defenders. A singles hitter who walks a lot, runs a lot, and plays good defense is incredibly entertaining. A hitter whose fly balls are always outs and is grounding into double plays at a ridiculous rate is incredibly frustrating. Oh yeah, and the defense is gone, too. Hopefully Figgins will turn things around once we dump Lopez and move him back to third. Even with this incredibly disappointing season, I have more faith in Figgins than Lopez going forward. But for the fact that Figgins went from 6.1 WAR to below replacement in one season, he wins the most disappointing award. Congratulations, now stop being shitty.
~Runners up~
Brandon League - Stopped throwing his best pitch, and the other Brandon is now really good which makes this one more annoying.
Jack Wilson - I hated the deal at the time, and he's turned out to be shitty. Now will you guys agree with me that we should have gone with Scutaro?
Jack Zduriencik - Texeira is better than any of our relievers, awful roster decisions to start the season, dumping Byrnes prematurely... He might be on the top 5, but this post is about the players primarily.
David Aardsma - You weren't supposed to regress this hard.
Ian Snell - I was really excited when we traded for him because I've always kind of followed the Pirates and was aware of his pretty great 2007... 2009 tempered that excitement, and 2010 killed it.
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Bradley's contact skills haven't taken a nose dive.
His swinging strike rate is 11.1% this year compared to 11.2% during his great 2008 season. His contact rate is the same as his 2008 season. Hell, he’s even making more contact on pitches out of the zone. The major problem is that he is swinging at 24.8% of pitches out of the zone. The only way to really rectify that with his K rate would be to assume that pitchers are throwing him more non-strikes on two strike counts and letting him get himself out.
I think I was unclear and chose the wrong wording...
I meant his contact in general seems to be weaker, he doesn’t seem to be making solid contact very often. LD rate is down, infield flies are up, flyballs are up in general, and BABIP is way down as a result.
by lailaihei on Jul 23, 2010 8:36 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
If you were disappointed by Griffey I'd suggest that your expectations were a bit high to start with
But there was that chance he would put that swing on the ball one more time, that beautiful swing Seattleites have grown to love, the swing some say is the prettiest lefty swing ever, and hit one more home run.
No, there really wasn’t. He didn’t even have warning track power.
He hit 19 HRs last year in limited time, did you really expect him to go from a league average hitter to .215 wOBA?
by lailaihei on Jul 23, 2010 8:44 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
IN the off season, no
but once the season started, it was pretty obvious that what little power he had left was completely gone and to expect anything resembling 2009 would have been…overly optimistic.
Early in the season, I want to say in early April sometime
He hit a ball to centerfield with that beautiful swing, that in his prime would have ended up on the terrace. It died about 20 feet short of the warning track. That’s kinda when I knew.
I didn't buy that he would be the same hitter either.
I thought it would be fewer HRs, more singles, and hovering around a .300-.310 wOBA. I was disappointed he was back, but I never expected it to be this bad.
Anyway I approached this post from a preseason expectation vs actual performance angle.
by lailaihei on Jul 23, 2010 8:53 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
He was extremely entertaining, and I was sad when he left.
I also don’t think he was utilized properly, and he was not the 25th best player on the team at the time we got rid of him. No, he’s not a major league player any more, but in a lost season making him the scapegoat seemed a little unfair.
But yeah I put that there as a joke, I didn’t think anything less of Z and crew because of that decision.
by lailaihei on Jul 23, 2010 9:01 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't think he was ever really made a scapegoat
But honestly, that was one of my favorite Z decisions of this year. I really couldn’t stand Byrnes and at first found his antics entertaining… then they got downright weird and annoying.
Eric Byrnes was really entertaining.
I remember the botched squeeze bunt, and a lot of people were really angry, but I couldn’t stop laughing. And the bicycle only added to the hilarity of the story. I was seriously disappointed when he was released. I kinda wish he was still on the team…
Milton Bradley is my hero.
I am really getting sick of all the whining.
Aside from using Griffey and Sweeney in the DH spot, Jack had a solid game plan. That plan did not pan out, so what, it happens. I know it sucks to lose, but the future is looking better. Smoak, Saunders, Ackley and Pineda are exciting complements to Ichiro, Guti and Felix. And as we’ve seen, Jack pulls off amazing things in the off season. I’m pretty excited to see what happens next. You know, all those “out of the rubble” cliches exist for a reason.
Baseball is a deliberate game that requires patience. And right now, there are larger problems in the world to freak out about. Just try to enjoy the ride.
Fuck the Angels
by InSpokane on Jul 23, 2010 9:09 AM PDT reply actions 14 recs
I would actually just replace Jack Z
With Wak
by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 23, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
When things go wrong, I really try hard not to point fingers. It never helps.
Just fix it.
Fuck the Angels
My comment shouldn't of really be a response to yours.
I meant for that to be to lailaihei
by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 23, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
A few thoughts:
I don’t think I’m the only one who’s slightly disappointed at the lack of non-baseball incidents, either.
Holy crap do I ever hope you are. One of the only good things about this season has been the lack of Bradley being crazy.
If Lopez wasn’t having his best fielding season since he started eating Doritos, he would be a negative WAR player in 2010.I am just ever so glad that this is a meme now because it’s not cliched or annoying at all. Tell me though, can you rectify these two statements?
If Lopez wasn’t having his best fielding season since he started eating Doritos
if he ever gave me the impression he was hard workerBecause to me those two things seem counter-intuitive.
Now will you guys agree with me that we should have gone with Scutaro?No.
Texeira is better than any of our relievers, awful roster decisions to start the season, dumping Byrnes prematurely… He might be on the top 5, but this post is about the players primarily.Oh for fuck’s sake. The situation Jack inherited was fucking awful and the only way this team was going to compete was through taking a massive amount of risk. Those risks paid off last year and they didn’t pay off this year. He managed to dump Carlos Silva and bring in a high upside player and he turned three marginal prospects into half a season of Cliff Lee and five and a half years of Justin Smoak. I’d be lying if I said I agreed with everything the guy did, but to blame him for the way this season has turned out is revisionist at best. Also, Eric Byrnes fucking sucked. It’s hard for me to understand how you can talk about fans being silly for wanting Griffey around and then turn around and call Zduriencik a disappointment because he dumped a guy that you liked because he was bat-shit insane.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 23, 2010 9:23 AM PDT reply actions 12 recs
Again, this is a post about pre-season expectations compared with performance thus far.
I’m a huge Zduriencik fan, and still think we have one of the top 5 FOs in baseball, but he has made some questionable moves this year. The whole roster fiasco with the lack of flexibility, dumping one of our best relievers (who had virtually no service time), and giving Wakamatsu too much control (Lopez batting cleanup in 64/96 games, etc)… He hasn’t made any huge blunders, although League for Morrow looks like it might become one, and he isn’t the cause of our failure this season. The cause of our failure is, obviously, the disappointing performances from a number of our players. Zduriencik has disappointed me with these moves, though, and that’s why he’s on a list of disappointing people.
Are you really not disappointed with those moves or were you expecting better? That’s the point, I was expecting better and I didn’t get it, hence disappointment.
May I ask what your expectations were?
I don’t ask that in a trying-to-start-something way, I’m just genuinely curious.
The major blunder made by Zduriencik was Don Wakamatsu.
You can’t hire a manager and then run them like a puppet, so all of these horrible 25 man roster decisions and lineups and batting orders and Tui are only Wak’s fault inasmuch as he has kept Wak on.
I expected one of two scenarios coming into this season and this was one of them.
Maybe we didn’t arrive here exactly as I expected, but the reasons are pretty much the same; this roster had a huge amount of risk built in.
I didn’t like the Morrow trade when it happened but I also get the feeling that Morrow is a whiny little bitch and it was best for all involved that he move on. No GM in the game (aside from maybe Billy Beane, who is an asshole and really isn’t all that special as a GM at this point) would tell their manager who hits where in the lineup. I also suspect that Wakamatsu had a huge amount of influence on the way the roster ended up looking and the Teixeira DFA, and while that doesn’t make me happy I think that Zduriencik is smart enough that he will learn from his mistakes.
Yeah, this season has sucked and been disappointing but I don’t see how you couldn’t have seen it as at least a realistic possibility coming in. We’re still in far better shape as an organization than we were a year and a half ago. We’re arguably in better shape as an organization now than we were at the end of last season.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 23, 2010 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions
If you thought we had more than a 20% chance to be this bad entering the season, you were one of the more pessimistic Mariner fans.
A ton of players fell off a cliff, we had only a couple breakthrough performances and they have been sustained mostly by luck. Again, I’m not blaming Zduriencik for the season, I’m blaming him for the decisions he has made. If we were in contention and he still made dumb decisions I would still have been disappointed. The results this season are not part of my disappointment with the FO.
In the preseason LL poll, I voted for 73-75 wins. Everything had to go just about right for contention and I couldn't see it all happening.
Yeah, we ended up with the 15th percentile outcome for the season instead of the 85-90 we would have needed to beat Texas.
I'm fine with being in the minority most of the time because the majority quite often have no idea what they're talking about.
The decisions he’s made that you’re calling dumb are fairly minor compared to the decision he’s made that have turned out well.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 23, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Still worse than my expectations of his decision making abilities.
Maybe he’s done about what you expected, but after the JJ Putz trade and Cliff Lee trade, as well as the Branyan experiment… I thought we may have the best FO in baseball. I had high expectations for Z and crew, that’s why I was disappointed by him.
There was no way they were ever better than the Rays, but they're really damned good.
If you thought he was never going to make a move you didn’t like, well, that’s kinda your fault.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 23, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
High expectations have to be tempered with the realization that nothing's instant though
Go read HumbledFan’s post about perceptions of success. He talks about how these things take time, and he makes some good points. Z had a lot of deadwood to clear out, and expecting good moves to pay instant dividends in baseball is often setting yourself up for failure.
Again, I'm not judging Zduriencik on the lack of success this season, but the moves he has made since.
Since?
It’s still this season. This is my point. Any moves he makes now will not pay off now. It’s mostly positioning for next year.
Dumping Texeira is the baseball equivalent of throwing out a pair of white socks
there’s always more socks that will cover your feet just as well.
by pdb on Jul 23, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Above replacement level relievers don't appear out of nowhere, that's why they're above replacement level.
Buahaha
Sorry, just had to drop in and laugh at this a little.
by Liebkartoffel on Jul 25, 2010 1:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Somebody here knows the rule 5 rules better than I do, but they decided they needed to get rid of a reliever and they couldn't just send Tex down to the minors.
I like him but he’s become vilified in Seattle by some fans for no good reason at all. A.) He’s a reliever. B.) He’s the exact same reliever in Kansas City as he as in Seattle. Below average. His FIP is actually higher as a Royal.
Let’s move on from him.
by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 23, 2010 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, he is a below average reliever because he had a 3.38 FIP in Seattle and now a 3.60 FIP in KC.
Oh wait that’s actually quite good. How in fuck is that below average?
Yep, 3.54 tRA in KC. Here's a list of Mariners with at least 10IP and a lower tRA than that:
Cliff Lee
Felix Hernandez
His xFIP has maintained right around a steady 4.30 all season long. His strikeouts are going down.
Really? Is this really worth a heated argument? I’m sorry man.
by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 23, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
You can't ignore the fact that he's in the 80th percentile of relievers in GB/FB.
Not taken into account in xFIP. He’s also making league minimum and will for the next two years.
He's 92nd amongst relievers with minimum 30 ip in xFIP.
Yeah, that makes him our 3rd best reliever in xFIP. No, it doesn’t keep me up at nights.
by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 23, 2010 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
You can't take just xFIP... Aardsma doesn't get ground balls.
Anyway, it’s not about how good he is, it’s that we dumped a useful player who projects to be worth probably ~1-2 WAR over his pre-arb years and making league minimum. Dumping useful players with millions of dollars of equity for nothing is not good decision making.
Hey I'm with you. It was a dumb move. It's just the least of my worries in a season full of dumb moves. If we had a lot go right this year, it would be easier for me to say "wow, that could have really helped us"
But as it is, this bullpen experiences more turnover than a telemarketing company.
by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 23, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
It's a season with mostly good to great moves. Cliff Lee mastery gives Jack a long leash in my book.
by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 23, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Trading spare parts for Cliff Lee was a brilliant move.
Trading Cliff Lee for a Smoak level player with the market the way it is/was, not that difficult.
Well, if the Yankees really offered Montero and company as reported, then yeah there were deals out there.
A top 5 pitcher in baseball on a bargain contract attached to 2 draft picks with 17 teams within 5 games of first place of their division that would love to have him… It’s not that hard to imagine that offers were coming in from many of those teams.
Given that we didn't hear about Mark Lowe until the last minute
I have to wonder if the reported Yankees deal had other players leaving our organization in order to get Montero.
That is true.
I don’t think trading Lee for Smoak was even in the top 5 of Zduriencik moves thus far, though in terms of value added.
I thought the market said the price on Cliff Lee was crazy
And theres no way they could get Smoak.
by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 23, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
The fact we got someone like Smoak for Cliff Lee, clearly a rent-a-pitcher, is amazing to me.
Cliff Lee was a win-now trade that was parlayed into a pretty awesome build-for-the-future trade.
You see, I never thought of it like that
I never thought Jack looked at it as if it was a “win now” strategy or that he was going “all in”. I think he was presented with an opportunity to make his ballclub better and he took advantage of it, He wasn’t sacrificing the future because it was a move that not only helped the club now, but also helped them in the future.
by nathaniel dawson on Jul 23, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
The part where he traded for Cliff Lee was a brilliant move because it allowed for the 2nd part in case plan A didn't work out.
You can’t call the first part brilliant and the second part “whatever”
by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 23, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I prefer to look at it from the "value added" standpoint.
Three mediocre prospects for Cliff Lee plus two draft picks.
That adds something like $25 million of value to the organization.
Cliff Lee, Mark Lowe, 2 draft picks, and cash for Smoak, a mediocre prospect, and organizational filler.
That is pretty close to a wash, equity added to both teams (the way trades should work), because Texas values now wins more than we do.
The trade for Lee was brilliant, easily the most equity-adding offseason move of any organization.
I love Smoak and I love the Smoak trade, but it’s not on the same level.
Why don't we just skip all the middle stuff and say that Jack Z traded three mediocre prospects for Justin Smoak and three mediocre prospects and call the whole thing brilliant?
He saw two scenarios when he traded for Lee: compete for the playoffs or get some real hitting talent into the organization if the first part doesn’t work out. He made the market work for him, he banked on Lee being dominant in Safeco and in him being easily the most attractive trading chip available and he thought of all that when he acquired Lee then he upped the ante all the way to Smoak, most likely the player he coveted more than any other.
by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 23, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Not meaning to pick nits, but we got 4 players back for Lee and Lowe
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 23, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
We had roster flexibility till Wak made the final cuts for the 25 man.
Jack gave him all the options.
by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 23, 2010 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
At some point I think Zduriencik has to step in and tell Wakamatsu to stop batting Lopez cleanup.
Lineup construction doesn’t matter too much, but when your ~worst hitter in the spot where your ~best hitter is supposed to go, that’s a tangible difference.
Doesn't it? Managers don't research everything themselves, they're given tons of information and data to help them construct their lineup.
Jack and Wak have meetings often. Don’t you think Jack can say “You know, Don, Lopez has a .253 wOBA against right handers this season and a .298 wOBA against them in his career, maybe he shouldn’t be batting fourth when there’s a RHP on the mound.”
If Wak knew what wOBA is or had any trust in it, he wouldn't be running this lineup out.
I’d have to believe that Wak goes with his baseball instincts and Jack isn’t going to undercut him, especially now that it doesn’t matter in any way, shape or form.
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Jack didn't know what wOBA is
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 23, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Most managers don't give two shits about stats
and the ones that do hilariously misuse them a la Tony LaRussa
I agree. all the other blunders in managing this roster put us into a situation where we were forced to trade Lee.
… The return, of course, is uncertain but undoubtedly better than what we gave up to get Lee. However, any leeway that Z had gotten from the fans before should all but be used up. The plan WASN’T all that solid (and trading a SP with potential for a middle reliever with only one season of good evidence BEFORE you have fleshed out a competitive lineup is an unthinkable blunder) and the future looks really hazy at the moment.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
An unthinkable blunder?
You of course arrived at that conclusion using evidence gleaned from your years of front-office experience, your many opportunities to construct a roster, and your proven track record at building successful baseball teams WAIT WHAT YOU JUST LISTEN TO KJR AND WATCH ESPN OH GOD PLEASE MAKE IT STOP
Based on the budget situation, Z has had to make the big moves where he could and smart risks elsewhere.
The big moves have worked out, for the most part (Guti and Lee X2 on the good results side of the ledger, Figgins on the bad). The smart risks worked last year and have backfired this year. That doesn’t mean Z’s strategy was unsound.
The Morrow/League trade was probably my least favorite of the major-ish moves at the time, and it hasn’t looked great so far. But I think at least part of this has to go down to usage – for those at the get-together over the off-season, can you imagine Z or Jeff Kingston wanting Brandon League to throw his splitter less often?
by Chris Hafner on Jul 26, 2010 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Jack Z never said he wouldn't take a power bat or two.
Just said there weren’t any available.
by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 26, 2010 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions
"five and a half years of Justin Smoak."
I’ve seen this a lot, but I’m almost positive It’s six and a half. He has a good chance of being a Super Two and reaching arbitration early, but I think it’s impossible for him to get credit for a full year in 2010. The Rangers called him up three or four days after the cutoff date. He’s ours through 2016. Unless I’m missing something.
Just wait until Smoak turns into Jeff Clement!
I fucking hate you Mariners
Well if you type Jose Lopez + Doritos in to Google this is second image.
Fuck the Angels
by InSpokane on Jul 23, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nah, but I think the folks in the picture are taking the bags back to the lab to go all CSI and try to prove that he does.
Fuck the Angels
My point being that, while I like Dave Cameron very much, that article was just terrible
Saying Jose Lopez eats Doritos is no better than coming here a two years ago and saying Silva must have ate the entire team spread lol. It’s annoying, not funny, and people won’t take you seriously if you repeat it.
by Poochie on Jul 23, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
In response to the general debate in this thread
We don’t know the ratio of the responsibility GMZ and Wak share for roster decisions.
Every FO has decisions go wrong, and every FO gets unlucky. It happens. K-Tex is not a big deal, but it’s a minor annoyance in a season full of slightly annoying roster/coaching decisions that add up to “disappointing” for me.
IMO, I would place the whole FO/coaching/managerial staff on the Honorable Mention list for the following reasons:
Sean White
Texeira
Sweeney
Junior
Lopez batting 4th
Bullpen usage
Baserunning gaffes
I’m aware that baserunning might not have much to do with coaching, but hell, there’s blood on someone’s hands for that, and I’m loathe to put it all on the players.
Baserunning has more to do with coaching than pretty much anything else that happens on the field
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 23, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Theoretically, yeah.
Though that assumes your players aren’t totally braindead and are listening to the base coach’s instructions. Who knows?
Wow, this is a great picture. Thank you.
Do you know around what date it was taken?
by NeighborTom2 on Jul 24, 2010 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions
So you hated the deal for Jack Wilson but you loved the idea of getting Snell?
I’m not sure if that means you liked the deal or disliked it.
Chone Figgins was more like 6.8 WAR last season when you include baserunning. Makes it all the more puzzling now.
by nathaniel dawson on Jul 23, 2010 1:30 PM PDT reply actions
To hate the Figgins DEAL, yes.
I think it’s perfectly acceptable to hate Figgins though.
...and now I'm here
I find slap hitting fast players that aren't succeeding to be among the worst things to watch in baseball.
I’d rather watch a player strike out on a power swing smack hit a short grounder.
...and now I'm here
Indeed. I do appreciate the idea of a good player.
...and now I'm here
Yep that's what I meant
hate Figgins for whatever seems appropriate. I heard he doesn’t like good beer. Fuck that guy.
I heard his favorte dog breed is Pomeranian.
...and now I'm here
Ah, OK.
I wasn’t thinking of the contract offer to Wilson. I can see how those are two different things. I actually didn’t mind the contract, but I didn’t particularly like the original deal.
by nathaniel dawson on Jul 25, 2010 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Jose might be a disappointment if I had any expectations whatsoever.
Turns out that Jose, you are who we thought you were.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
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