7/11: Open Game Thread
New York Yankees at Seattle Mariners, Jul 11, 2010 1:10 PM PDT
And so the first half ends the way it began: with a baseball game.
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The real reason Jason Vargas cut off all his hair.
Was so he didn’t get mistaken for Jason Biggs today.
Sure wish my cable box wasn't busted so I could watch the WC final and this game. Thanks Comcast.
/1st world problems.
Milton Bradley apologist
by sanford_and_son on Jul 11, 2010 12:57 PM PDT reply actions
Branyan needs a day off I assume.
Milton Bradley apologist
by sanford_and_son on Jul 11, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Personally I view the next 3 days as days off.
by TWownsU on Jul 11, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm still waiting for Z to take Sean away.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 11, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm starting to wait for Z to take Wak away
Really? We just get the guy we hope is our 1B for 6 more years and he is DH in his second game? Can someone please give Wak the memo that player development and inning management (for pitchers) are part of the game plan for the rest of the season.
WHY DOES ANYONE CARE THAT HE WAS DHING SO LONG AS HE WAS GETTING AT-BATS?
GOD.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 11, 2010 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Good question
-We know that DHing is harder than hitting while playing as a position player.
-Casey Kotchman?
-“Hi kid, you’re the new guy and the FO like you, but I think your defense isn’t good enough.”
-Playing 1B develops skills, which is what we should care most about with Justin Smoak right now.
-Give the kid confidence that he wasn’t traded because he has a .206 BA but rather because no one in their right mind thinks that he will.
-Whereas I usually find such reasoning about hitters and confidence to be complete bullshit, when a guy shows up to your team and you immediately start treating him like his position is in question, it shows poor leadership. If Smoak is our 1B of the future, let him start at least 5 or 6 games at 1B; then tell him you’re just giving him a rest.
by philosofool on Jul 11, 2010 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Okay!
#1: Valid
#2: Branyan may not have been up to it, so they put Kotchman at first instead and moved Smoak to DH.
#3: Two games are not an adequate assessment of what the FO thinks of his defense.
#4: Valid
#5: I think that they could do just that by attaching “Designated Hitter” label to his name, indicating that they expect him to hit, unless the past several seasons of Mariners baseball have convinced you that DH is where we slot the guy who’s hitting .200. Also they didn’t move him in the order any. Whoops.
#6: Two games are not an adequate assessment of whether the FO deems his position to be in question.
There are many things that we can get mad about as far as the team’s management goes and this strikes me as among the most silly.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 11, 2010 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Allow me to clarify
-#3 The point was that this is the impression the front office is giving to their newest acquisition when they put him at DH on his second day on the job. Whether that is their attitude is beside the point.
-#6 This is another point about leadership, not about what the manager thinks. If I think you’re a great employee but I make you feel like I don’t trust you, I’m not doing my job as a manager, I’m doing the opposite of my job.
Let me first be clear that the things I’m really starting to question about Wak, this goes way down on the list. But Wak is starting to show a frustrating habit of tinkering for tinkering’s sake rather than for reasons, and this particular case seems like a salient example of doing just that. Maybe he did have a good reason (“Look, we really want you to work on hitting against lefties, so today we’re starting you at DH because we want you not to worry about defense today. We know you’re a good defender.”) But when a manager shows a tendency to tinker for it’s own sake, I start to doubt that he’s making reasoned decision rather than arbitrary decisions, and this seemed like one of them.
-We bunt too much
-Brandon League’s pitch selection
-Rob Johnson
-Lineup construction
Oops
oops. Those last fewer were things that I take to be good and well esblsihed reasons for being annoyed with Wak.
Do you ever wish you could delete your own comment
because you’ve decided that you were either completely wrong or just weren’t really making a comment worth making?
That’s how I’m feeling about this comment right now. I just noticed on Baker’s blog that Wak said that Smoak was DHing because he thought that would be easiest given his rough travel schedule over the last couple days.
Whatever. I’ll be lucky if this is the biggest mistake I make all day.
If he did that would have made listening to this game worthwhile.
Maybe RRS will surprise us today. I hope he does.
I guess Lopez gets the error on the throw.
Gave someone an error.
Probably Loafie.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 11, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
And now Figgy gets one.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 11, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope, they finally found a use for Mike Blowers.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 11, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Hm...would prefer Smoak at first and Bradley at DH but OK Wak.
Guess the games don’t matter, but it’d be nice to see if Bradley can bounce back for 2011.
Someone else will say it, don't you worry.
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by JY on Jul 11, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Rizzs already on it.
According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.
by the other side on Jul 11, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
No but Kotchman did a whole sliding backwards deal
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by Griffin Cooper on Jul 11, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually it was more of a fall
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by Griffin Cooper on Jul 11, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Kotchman whoopsied when he saw the ball in the sun, fell down.
...and now I'm here
His thighs are bigger than my torso
...and now I'm here
Someone on ESPN this morning said ever so casually
“well, Granderson will be gone at the end of the year, and they’ll just go and get Crawford and Lee”
Atleast they're honest.
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
by Marinerfanjake on Jul 11, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
He even gets credited for earned runs that were simply lost in the sun.
...and now I'm here
Hey Z, please blow this shit up. Please!
I fucking hate you Mariners
Does that mean they can't be fucked?
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by JY on Jul 11, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
If you replaced our catchers with cardboard cutouts of our catchers they would do a better job stopping the ball.
...and now I'm here
But they're still our catchers
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
by Marinerfanjake on Jul 11, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he's saying you don't support our team.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 11, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
If Z really wanted to make this team more watchable, he should have found a way to get RRS out of the rotation.
Instead of trading for Branyan.
Partially his fault
He’s been better, but I don’t trust that he’s ever going to be even averageish this year.
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 11, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
RRS will be better. There is little to explain why he sucks so much now.
He just needs to go out and regain his command.
We're going to need more than a grand slam now.
I’m done for today. RRS is getting better, but its too late.
Shit
Gut has been consistently bad offensively for quite a while now,
I'm thinking you're going to want to stay.
Since, you paid for your tickets and all.
The ones in left field are
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
by Marinerfanjake on Jul 11, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't like the fact that I still have to watch Kotchman at this point of the season
by flashbeak on Jul 11, 2010 2:21 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Don't worry.
Once Sweendawg comes off the DL, he’ll be gone.
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 11, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm saddened by the idea that this is not even close to a horrible idea
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But then we wouldn't be able to see that face he makes behind the catcher's mask!
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by JY on Jul 11, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Futures Game in half an hour!
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by JY on Jul 11, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Pffffft.
No, Liddi and Peguero.
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by JY on Jul 11, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
DINGERS!
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by JY on Jul 11, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I like where I'm at right now. I can enjoy the wins, but I'm completely indifferent to the losses.
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Are the Mariners any good?
The Mariners are not, boss.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 11, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
That looked like a nice at-bat for Saunders.
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That'll show 'em.
Thirteen-game hit streak for Ichiro?
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by JY on Jul 11, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh man, Chone Figgins is so clutch
...and now I'm here
Oh, Loafie, you kill me.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
You had your wish for like 5 innings.
...and now I'm here
What wouldn't be better if it produced donuts?
...and now I'm here
I was really struggling to come up with a response
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 11, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Because then the donuts would be all bloody and stuff.
...and now I'm here
Sure but you already have blood in you
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 11, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Salty, soggy donuts are never tasty.
String cheese and chocolate are both great, but I don’t think I would combine to two.
...and now I'm here
This Auburn Volkswagon commercial pisses me off to no end.
Seattle baseball fan whoring.
...and now I'm here
Maybe the Mariners should learn to hit the ball int he air.
...and now I'm here
"Have you ever been to a World Series, Blow?"
Don’t be a dick.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 11, 2010 3:01 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Well this game is boring so here are two .gifs I made last night

by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 11, 2010 3:01 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat isssssssssssssssssssssssss looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooovvvvvveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaby doooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon’t huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurt meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
...and now I'm here
Weaver I guess I can understand.
Verlander over Felix, though, seems tough to justify. It’s not like Joe Girardi is looking at FIP.
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by Griffin Cooper on Jul 11, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I don't know why Felix isn't there, but whatever fires him up
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 11, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
They're probably still mad that we locked him up to a long-term contract.
It means they can’t talk about him as though he’ll be pitching for them soon.
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by JY on Jul 11, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
After the M's go to the World Series in 2012
I hope Wak doesn’t take any Yankees as manager’s selections in 2013.
Felix: 3.4 WAR
Verlander: 3.1 WAR, Weaver: 3.2 WAR. Also, Verlander has a 3.84 ERA. W-L record!!!
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You down with OBP
Yeah you know me!
...and now I'm here
NO ACKLEY
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by JY on Jul 11, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
They take at least one from every team and usually not more than two.
Because the World Team had strong pitching already, Pineda didn’t get picked, but with a weak lineup, Liddi and Peguero did.
Ackley may have been selected and turned it down, but there’s no way of knowing that. The guy the U.S. team is running out thereat second now hit really well in the Cal League earlier in the year.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 11, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Here, I'll go to the official.
Rosters for the Futures Game are selected by Baseball America magazine, in conjunction with MLB and the all 30 major league teams. Every organization is represented, with no more than two players from any organization, and 25 players per team, divided into U.S. and World teams based on place of birth. (Players born in Puerto Rico are part of the “World” team despite being U.S. citizens by birth, because that territory has its own national baseball federation and national team). Games last nine innings (seven innings prior to 2008), with two extra innings available to settle a tie after playing all regulation innings. Pitchers are limited to pitching only one inning.
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by JY on Jul 11, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Bad team + sunny Sunday = who cares
I’m sure there are a number of people on the drinking, World Cup, drinking, Sounders game plan for today too.
I completely forgot that the World Cup just ended like an hour go
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 11, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I can totally see how that World Cup game would get people excited about the Sounders contest
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 11, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I wonder what MLB teams would say if the WBC was run during the regular season...
(And yes, I realize that this isn’t a great parallel because MLS runs its season out of sync with Europe)
I don't know.
That the most celebrated sport in the world finds itself leaning on a psychic octopus for predictions kind of makes me want to get on board with it.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 11, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
But then vuvuzelas :(
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by JY on Jul 11, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Pretty impressive
When soccer is about the 6th most popular sport in a country of around 4 million people. Go All Whites!
Not yet :(
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by Griffin Cooper on Jul 11, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Goodness...
He looks like a Lego man.
by PLU Tim on Jul 11, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Casey Kotchman really really wants trade value.
...and now I'm here
Kotchman has been on a tear for a couple weeks.
Too little, too late, will look good in a different uniform, too bad.

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