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New York Yankees at Seattle Mariners, Jul 11, 2010 1:10 PM PDT





CC Sabathia

#52 / Pitcher / New York Yankees

6-7

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Jul 21, 1980



Ryan Rowland-Smith

#18 / Pitcher / Seattle Mariners

6-3

240

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L

Jan 26, 1983


And so the first half ends the way it began: with a baseball game.

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The real reason Jason Vargas cut off all his hair.

Was so he didn’t get mistaken for Jason Biggs today.

by Janic on Jul 11, 2010 12:48 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm still waiting for Z to take Sean away.

According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.

by the other side on Jul 11, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm starting to wait for Z to take Wak away

Really? We just get the guy we hope is our 1B for 6 more years and he is DH in his second game? Can someone please give Wak the memo that player development and inning management (for pitchers) are part of the game plan for the rest of the season.

by philosofool on Jul 11, 2010 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

WHY DOES ANYONE CARE THAT HE WAS DHING SO LONG AS HE WAS GETTING AT-BATS?

GOD.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 11, 2010 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good question

-We know that DHing is harder than hitting while playing as a position player.
-Casey Kotchman?
-“Hi kid, you’re the new guy and the FO like you, but I think your defense isn’t good enough.”
-Playing 1B develops skills, which is what we should care most about with Justin Smoak right now.
-Give the kid confidence that he wasn’t traded because he has a .206 BA but rather because no one in their right mind thinks that he will.
-Whereas I usually find such reasoning about hitters and confidence to be complete bullshit, when a guy shows up to your team and you immediately start treating him like his position is in question, it shows poor leadership. If Smoak is our 1B of the future, let him start at least 5 or 6 games at 1B; then tell him you’re just giving him a rest.

by philosofool on Jul 11, 2010 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Okay!

#1: Valid
#2: Branyan may not have been up to it, so they put Kotchman at first instead and moved Smoak to DH.
#3: Two games are not an adequate assessment of what the FO thinks of his defense.
#4: Valid
#5: I think that they could do just that by attaching “Designated Hitter” label to his name, indicating that they expect him to hit, unless the past several seasons of Mariners baseball have convinced you that DH is where we slot the guy who’s hitting .200. Also they didn’t move him in the order any. Whoops.
#6: Two games are not an adequate assessment of whether the FO deems his position to be in question.

There are many things that we can get mad about as far as the team’s management goes and this strikes me as among the most silly.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 11, 2010 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Allow me to clarify

-#3 The point was that this is the impression the front office is giving to their newest acquisition when they put him at DH on his second day on the job. Whether that is their attitude is beside the point.

-#6 This is another point about leadership, not about what the manager thinks. If I think you’re a great employee but I make you feel like I don’t trust you, I’m not doing my job as a manager, I’m doing the opposite of my job.

Let me first be clear that the things I’m really starting to question about Wak, this goes way down on the list. But Wak is starting to show a frustrating habit of tinkering for tinkering’s sake rather than for reasons, and this particular case seems like a salient example of doing just that. Maybe he did have a good reason (“Look, we really want you to work on hitting against lefties, so today we’re starting you at DH because we want you not to worry about defense today. We know you’re a good defender.”) But when a manager shows a tendency to tinker for it’s own sake, I start to doubt that he’s making reasoned decision rather than arbitrary decisions, and this seemed like one of them.

-We bunt too much
-Brandon League’s pitch selection
-Rob Johnson
-Lineup construction

by philosofool on Jul 12, 2010 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oops

oops. Those last fewer were things that I take to be good and well esblsihed reasons for being annoyed with Wak.

by philosofool on Jul 12, 2010 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Do you ever wish you could delete your own comment

because you’ve decided that you were either completely wrong or just weren’t really making a comment worth making?

That’s how I’m feeling about this comment right now. I just noticed on Baker’s blog that Wak said that Smoak was DHing because he thought that would be easiest given his rough travel schedule over the last couple days.

Whatever. I’ll be lucky if this is the biggest mistake I make all day.

by philosofool on Jul 12, 2010 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

DH?

Okay.

According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.

by the other side on Jul 11, 2010 1:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Gave someone an error.

Probably Loafie.

According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.

by the other side on Jul 11, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

And now Figgy gets one.

According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.

by the other side on Jul 11, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Justin!

According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.

by the other side on Jul 11, 2010 1:43 PM PDT reply actions  

SMOKEY!

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by Corco on Jul 11, 2010 1:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Smoaked!

I promise I’ll never say that again

by Stormton on Jul 11, 2010 1:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Someone else will say it, don't you worry.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 11, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rizzs already on it.

According to my calculations, your problem doesn't exist.

by the other side on Jul 11, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Someone on ESPN this morning said ever so casually

“well, Granderson will be gone at the end of the year, and they’ll just go and get Crawford and Lee”

by msb on Jul 11, 2010 2:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Atleast they're honest.

…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell

by Marinerfanjake on Jul 11, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

But they're still our catchers

…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell

by Marinerfanjake on Jul 11, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

what

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Jul 11, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he's saying you don't support our team.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 11, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

We're going to need more than a grand slam now.

I’m done for today. RRS is getting better, but its too late.

by LeftArrow2 on Jul 11, 2010 2:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Everyone just go home now.

don;t worry about those last few innings.

by msb on Jul 11, 2010 2:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Shit

Gut has been consistently bad offensively for quite a while now,

by algorhythm on Jul 11, 2010 2:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Oh, I meant the team.

they should just head home.

the fans are there to see the Yankees anyway.

by msb on Jul 11, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

The ones in left field are

…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell

by Marinerfanjake on Jul 11, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, I have to head off.

not such a sad thing as it seemed it might have been this morning.

by msb on Jul 11, 2010 2:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Futures Game in half an hour!

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 11, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pffffft.

No, Liddi and Peguero.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 11, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

DINGERS!

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 11, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

That looked like a nice at-bat for Saunders.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 11, 2010 2:47 PM PDT reply actions  

That'll show 'em.

Thirteen-game hit streak for Ichiro?

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 11, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, Loafie, you kill me.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 11, 2010 2:55 PM PDT reply actions  

Felix: 3.4 WAR

Verlander: 3.1 WAR, Weaver: 3.2 WAR. Also, Verlander has a 3.84 ERA. W-L record!!!

My Mariners blog SodoMojo, My Twitter Feed

by Griffin Cooper on Jul 11, 2010 3:07 PM PDT reply actions  

What the shit, Smoak

That wasn’t worth waiting for at all

by JLC on Jul 11, 2010 3:10 PM PDT reply actions  

You down with OBP

Yeah you know me!

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Jul 11, 2010 3:14 PM PDT reply actions  

NO ACKLEY

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 11, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

They take at least one from every team and usually not more than two.

Because the World Team had strong pitching already, Pineda didn’t get picked, but with a weak lineup, Liddi and Peguero did.

Ackley may have been selected and turned it down, but there’s no way of knowing that. The guy the U.S. team is running out thereat second now hit really well in the Cal League earlier in the year.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 11, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here, I'll go to the official.
Rosters for the Futures Game are selected by Baseball America magazine, in conjunction with MLB and the all 30 major league teams. Every organization is represented, with no more than two players from any organization, and 25 players per team, divided into U.S. and World teams based on place of birth. (Players born in Puerto Rico are part of the “World” team despite being U.S. citizens by birth, because that territory has its own national baseball federation and national team). Games last nine innings (seven innings prior to 2008), with two extra innings available to settle a tie after playing all regulation innings. Pitchers are limited to pitching only one inning.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 11, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bad team + sunny Sunday = who cares

I’m sure there are a number of people on the drinking, World Cup, drinking, Sounders game plan for today too.

by CMC_Stags on Jul 11, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder what MLB teams would say if the WBC was run during the regular season...

(And yes, I realize that this isn’t a great parallel because MLS runs its season out of sync with Europe)

by CMC_Stags on Jul 11, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know.

That the most celebrated sport in the world finds itself leaning on a psychic octopus for predictions kind of makes me want to get on board with it.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 11, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

But then vuvuzelas :(

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 11, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pretty impressive

When soccer is about the 6th most popular sport in a country of around 4 million people. Go All Whites!

by Henry H on Jul 11, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

KROTCHROCKET

He’s going to make it difficult to DFA.

by Kawnliee on Jul 11, 2010 3:49 PM PDT reply actions  

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