Cliff Lee Facts
by Matthew on Jun 8, 2010 5:40 AM PDT
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PrintCliff Lee leads all MLB SPs in FIP at 1.66. The next best is Francisco Liriano at 2.28.
Cliff Lee leads all MLB SPs in xFIP at 2.91. The next best is Roy Halladay's 2.93.
Cliff Lee leads all MLB SPs in tRA at 1.67. The next best is Adam Wainwright's 2.33.
Cliff Lee's 23% strikeout rate is the best of his entire career.
Cliff Lee's 1.6% net walk rate is the best of his entire career.
Cliff Lee's average fastball is 91.2mph, the fastest of his entire career.
Cliff Lee's O-Swing% is the highest of his entire career. He's getting hitters to chase more pitches out of the zone than ever before.
Cliff Lee's Z-Swing% is the second lowest of his entire career. He's getting hitters to watch more pitches go by in the zone.
Cliff Lee throws a first pitch strike over 70% of the time, leading the league.
Cliff Lee leads all MLB SPs in K/BB at 14.3. The next best is Roy Halladay's 5.9.
Read that last one again.
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Cliff Lee is thrilled to be playing for the Mariners?
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 8, 2010 6:00 AM PDT reply actions
Cliff Lee for Cy Young!
I bet he reallllllllllllly wants that big new contract. I hope our other pitcher on his last year of his contract learns from this.
I really did not expect him to be *this* awesome.
People talked about co-aces but Cliff Lee has noticeably outperformed even the King himself.
The fact that we failed to capitalise on having Lee and Felix, in their primes, at the same time will haunt us for some time I fear.
It's unlikely that he will be
no one runs a K/BB like that over a season. It’s just not possible.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 8, 2010 6:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Johnson/Moyer/Fassero, Edgar/Griffey/ARod, Olerud/Boone/Cameron, Ichiro.
Not capitalizing on having ultra-talented players in their prime is what we do!
by katal on Jun 8, 2010 7:07 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Jeff Fassero posted ERA+'s for us of 124 and 114.
Pretty good.
There's still 5 hall of famers there and a bunch of all-star games and Jamie Moyer.
One of them still does not belong.
by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 8, 2010 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I keep forgetting it's not HIS fault he kept ending up on teams with better pitchers.
Pedro, RJ, and Fassero’s peak is probably comparable to Moyer’s.
That being said, 3 years as a #1 is a fairly slim peak.
by eponymous_coward on Jun 8, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Jamie Moyer's 264-200 with almost 4000 MLB IP.
And with about 80% of that coming AFTER age 30.
He’s not a HOFer, but he’s in the same general class of player as Cameron, Boone and Olerud- very good with a nice long career.
by eponymous_coward on Jun 8, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Moyer just earned the 100th win of his career when 40+
I wonder if anyone else has won 100 games in their 40s.
I wonder if Moyer keeps playing for another few years and hits 300—will he be HOF worthy then? Note that all other 300 game winners are in the Hall…
When Moyer got to 100 after 40 they said he was the 3rd pitcher to do so.
Don’t know who the other two were though, Niekro and Ryan maybe?
by drblacknwhite on Jun 8, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Moyer: 47.4 WAR, Olerud: 56.6
Bret Boone: 21.4
Mike Cameron: 46.6
So, actually, the guy who arguably doesn’t belong on a list of Moyer, Olerud, Cameron and Boone is Boone.
by eponymous_coward on Jun 8, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
ugh. That should read: "If Moyer's still pitching after he's 120...
and still above replacement level, I think that would be pretty exciting."
Though it’s going to be a bitch fielding ground’ balls using a walker.
by eponymous_coward on Jun 8, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I always enjoyed watching Moyer pitch.
As effective as he was, with his velocity.. was just amazing to watch.
I didn't mean it as an insult to put Moyer in a class of his own.
I meant it as a compliment. He’s somewhere in between.
by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 8, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
If Lee gets traded this summer, it's thrilling to consider just how much he's going to single-handedly improve that club.
The ~4 WAR he’s going to bring with him could easily be the difference between playoffs and no playoffs (or home field advantage and no home field advantage). Assuming his future-team already has one ace (Jimenez, Sabathia, Shields, in the case of the Cardinals, Carpenter/Wainwright), he’s going to give them a nasty 1-2 combination for October, too.
Sure. But it's the word I'd choose.
It’s going to be cool watching a team go from good to quite possibly being the favorite for the World Series, due to a pitcher I’ve grown to love over the past months.
As long as you can ignore the part about the Mariners immolating themselves, sure.
by eponymous_coward on Jun 8, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
That's easy.
It’s easy to root for non-Mariner teams come the playoffs. That’s why we don’t sit in the October game threads booing and fussing the whole time.
Yeah, I figure by then we'll be well past the Tropic of Cairo.
Though to be honest, playoffs don’t mean much for me without the Mariners in it- it’s more a general “oh, baseball, kinda cool”. They mostly come down to “I hope those douchebag Yankees don’t win it again”.
by eponymous_coward on Jun 8, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
And on a related topic:
Imagine Cliff Lee in a Boston or Yankee uniform. I’d have to say there’s a non-zero chance of that happening if he’s traded.
by eponymous_coward on Jun 8, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
That might ruin the whole playoffs for me.
Luckily when Tino Martinez was interviewed on 710 last week, he did say that he didn’t think the Yankees would be interested in Lee until after the playoffs…
but really, what does Tino know?
Watching Cliff Lee pitch is much more fun than I anticipated.
Easily the best part of the season so far for me.
Cliff Lee should be offered a personal-use lease on Mt. Rainier
Seriously, I’m praying for a miracle. Stay! Good Cliff.
Good call Matthew
I didn’t realize how amazing his K/BB rate was until i read it the second time.
If by "low" you mean "non-existent" you're probably right
The Mariners could have all the will in the world, but why would Lee want to stay here?
by pdb on Jun 8, 2010 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't go that far.
I think it’s fair to consider that it helps when a players been with a team before. He knows what its like now to pitch in Cleveland, Philadelphia, and Seattle. His opinion might be that Seattle has been his favorite city to live in, there is no way of knowing. And while that’s not the end all, be all, I’m just saying that it’s a factor. Also important that Cliff Lee was not a two-month rental, but has been here all year and going through spring training with his teammates and possibly a full season, he may happen to want to stay. That won’t override a much larger contract offer from the Yankees or Mets, but if by chance the Mariners decided to come close to or match one of those mega-deals, their might be a slight edge there.
I will go with the “very low” answer. But not non-existant.
by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 8, 2010 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions
My default position is that players who are that good do not want to stay on teams that are not as good as they are
I could be wrong, but it just seems that a player who is good enough wants to be on a team that matches his ambitions, not three years from now but now. But that also implies that Lee will be here all season; if the M’s continue to be non-factors they may well deal him rather than let him walk.
by pdb on Jun 8, 2010 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm just going to pretend that we trade him at the deadline for a bounty of prospects and then it turns out this is his favorite city in the world.
And he comes back.
by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 8, 2010 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions
I like your world for it seems to be a very happy place
I may come visit one of these days!
by pdb on Jun 8, 2010 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd be pretty upset if we just let him walk and take the two picks if we're not in contention at the deadline
he clearly has more value than your typical rent-a-player, and the teams likely to sign Lee are the ones that have money, so Boston, New York(s), Los Angeles, etc. Unfortunately, those teams are all good, so we’d not only lose out on more ready prospects at the deadline, but we’d probably get stuck with an extra second rounder instead of first as well
Except I'm retarded and just realized that you don't actually get a good draft pick for being good
but the rest of the comment still stands
I agree that I don't want the compensatory picks nearly as much as I want known talents.
Its riskier to take the picks. But we just have to trust that if Jack doesn’t trade him, it was for good reason.
by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 8, 2010 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions
A very large pile of dollar bills.
The problem is it would be a prohibitively large pile of dollar bills, given that we couldn’t sufficiently upgrade 1B and C while paying Lee what he’s making this year.
by eponymous_coward on Jun 8, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
And what he's making this year is relatively cheap
Compared to what he will undoubtedly be commanding for the next 5+.
I estimated a 5 year, 110 million dollar deal.
He’s far better than Lackey and his 82 million dollar deal at about the same age.
by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 8, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with Matthew's comment about "Gosh, I'd be happy if we resigned Lee"
… although if you think the M’s roster is Large Item Pickup Day now, I can only imagine what they’d have to do to fit in a $20+ million salary to go along with Ichiro and Felix.
by eponymous_coward on Jun 8, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
If they were willing to go back to the $115 million dollar salary, I'd say there is space...
by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 8, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
There's no indication that the M's are willing to take losses.
The problem is that attendance is down even from last year, which was the worst M’s attendance since the early 1990’s. I have a hard time buying that Armstrong, Lincoln and all are going to authorize $30 million in additional salary pickups when attendance and revenue is flatlining. If anything, I expect them to CUT salary for next year.
by eponymous_coward on Jun 8, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't say they would, just that if they "were" willing.
I don’t expect them to be willing either.
by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 8, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Next to nothing
However, I’m encouraged by the fact that he’s given an interview or two on M’s Insider shows and such, and is in at least 1 or 2 commercials.
Those are hopeful signs…right? Right??!
A-Rod injects himself with Cliff Lee's blood.
by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 8, 2010 8:05 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Church.
Cliff Lee’s blood can only be taken with communion.
by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 8, 2010 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nope
He puts drops on a blotter and takes it like acid. Then flexes in the mirror.
by lemonverbena on Jun 8, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
variation around the mean
Sometimes Chone Figgins gives it to you in the form of a cock in the eye. Sometimes Cliff Lee gives it to you as boobies in the face.
by dlukas on Jun 8, 2010 9:12 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Scary thought
What if we traded Cliff Lee and we some how make the play offs and we have to face Lee?
Or to put it another way
this is like being scared of the income taxes you’ll have to pay when you win millions in the lottery.
by eponymous_coward on Jun 8, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought Rob Johnson was the worst
There can be something worse that that?
by eponymous_coward on Jun 8, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
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