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Well Then

Don Wakamatsu and Tim Tschida discuss archery techniques while Tim Timmons remarks on his collection of Tootsie Pop wrappers.

As demoralizing as last weekend's walkoffs were, at least they were walkoffs. A walkoff is immediately unpleasant, but they allow you, after some time, to look back and think "well, we were close."

There was nothing close about this one. There was nothing close about any of these. Maybe that's not fair - today was tied into the seventh, and yesterday was tied into the sixth - but then the Angels didn't quit, and the Mariners did. The M's wound up getting outscored 27-7 in this three-game sweep, and though the Angels didn't have to face Felix or Lee, the M's didn't have to face Weaver. This shouldn't have been as lopsided as it was.

The M's came in winners of three in a row, riding a wave of momentum many hoped would propel them into the race. Momentum, though, is only as good as the next day's pitcher, and the next day's pitcher was Ian Snell. The M's lost by six. Then they lost by nine. Then they lost by five. Every step forward taken against Minnesota was reversed this weekend. Every single one. The whole Twins series feels like it happened a month ago.

So now what? The M's didn't lose any ground to the Rangers today. It's still eight, and they're heading into Texas for a four-game set. With Lee and Felix going Monday and Tuesday, hey, possible momentum! We could do it again!

But then you've got guys who aren't Cliff Lee. Who aren't Felix Hernandez. Guys with Major League ability, but lacking in trust. No matter what happens in front, who's going to feel confident about the back half of this series? The unbalanced rotation is a blessing and a curse. It works wonders when you've got the guns coming up, but after they've passed, boy do the odds of winning drop off.

I'm not going to say that the M's need to do this or need to do that. They don't need to sweep Texas, and they don't need to win three. Even getting swept wouldn't close the door on a miracle. There's no sense in pretending that the fate of the entire season depends on the next four games. But they are four important games - four of the most important games we've faced in a while - and it's clear that this team needs to pick it up in a hurry if it wants to stand a chance. And after this weekend, you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who believes they can do it.

  • I don't really know what happened with Chone Figgins and Don Wakamatsu between innings, but my gut reaction is that (A) the umpires again overstepped their bounds, and (B) Chone and Wak got lucky. 
  • Go have a good Sunday night.

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I can't say for sure,

but I think this next series could take me below the tropic. Hard to say, though.

by killer_ewok18 on Jun 6, 2010 6:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Same here.

Another series loss and I am officially counting down the days till football.

Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?

by Benne on Jun 6, 2010 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep.

And like Jeff said yesterday, I would rather they either sweep or get swept. Enough with this win a few lose a few stuff, make up your minds.

by Hopefulmsfan on Jun 6, 2010 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is this what a manic depressive feels like?

High as a kite one day, bummed out the next. Man, this sucks.

Now with more lemon bars!

by Fear on Jun 6, 2010 6:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Jeff, quit messing with your comrades...

…even winning all four isn’t enough to get us back in this thing. Believe your eyes – this team as constructed is not good enough to compete with even the average teams in the AL, especially with the schedule ahead. Let’s dial down expectations, enjoy what’s ahead for what it is ( it’s still ball) and start debating how 2011 ought to be managed.

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.

by Gekko Mojo on Jun 6, 2010 6:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Winning all four would very much get us back in this thing

I know we’re not very good, but the whole point is that nobody in the division is ‘very good’.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 6, 2010 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm in this camp. Even winning 3 of 4 would work for me.

For it to happen, some of the things that GMZ gambled on in the off-season, have got to work.
If they work, and work consistently from now on, we can keep the division lead close. Losing the series to the Angels was disappointing, but they played better than we did. We need to play better than we are, and we have the ability to play better than we played. We need to play to that ability.

by TrustBaseball on Jun 6, 2010 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would say it could get us back in this thing.

If Oakland and LA win out too, we’re still in fourth place and we’re still 6-7 games back. At that point, I’m still not ready to give my heart back to the M’s in 2010.

We just suck so bad against the AL West.

by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 6, 2010 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think this team could compete as constructed.

The inconsistency is killing us. As constructed this team SHOULD be able to compete in the AL West because all the other teams in the AL West have problems too. We see glimpses of the team Z had in mind and what guys are capable of doing, but each time one problem seems to be solved another appears.

No matter where you go, there you are.

by KC Mariner on Jun 6, 2010 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Some of those problems that are "appearing"

are results of somewhat questionable roster decisions.

by killer_ewok18 on Jun 6, 2010 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, also some of the experiments that needed to go right simply failed.

Not all of them were bad ideas, they just didn’t end up working.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Jun 6, 2010 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah,

but I was referring to things like having Griffey start at DH for the first month of the season, Kanekoa, Sean White, Tui. . . the list goes on.

by killer_ewok18 on Jun 6, 2010 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

This card should also include hope.

Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.

by JAH on Jun 6, 2010 6:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Winning all 4 would get us back into it… for a day or 2 until we play 3 @ San Diego and 3 @ St. Louis, which will promptly put us right back where we are today… wondering where all that “mo” went to.

by Karl Selvig on Jun 6, 2010 6:55 PM PDT reply actions  

I no longer care about wins or losses.

I only care about stats, players improving, and prospects getting better.

by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 6, 2010 7:25 PM PDT reply actions  

This and Fister and or Vargas in the All Star Game

If they are pitching like they are now and get snubbed I’m going to be so pissed. Oh, and I know they’ll be snubbed for sure.

Carlos Silvelite

by OceanBird on Jun 6, 2010 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's going to suck when Fister, Vargas, and Felix all get left off the team

and Silva ends up starting for the NL or something.

The Holocaust was Rob Johnson's idea

by I Lick Squirrels on Jun 6, 2010 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Guti isn't in the top fucking 15.

Julio Fucking Bourbon is above Franklin. Every time I think about it I want to go nuclear. WHAT THE HELL.

I don't want to achieve immortality through my work... I want to achieve it through not dying.

by the other side on Jun 6, 2010 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just went and voted several more times for Franklin.

Thanks for the heads-up! People need to know bout Guti!

Milton Bradley apologist

by sanford_and_son on Jun 7, 2010 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

To be more clear I wasn't ranting on LLers, just general ignorant fans. I'm a homer, but Guti is still really, really good.

But yeah we should do what we can to get him there.

I don't want to achieve immortality through my work... I want to achieve it through not dying.

by the other side on Jun 7, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know why anybody would think we're going to gain any ground in Texas. We are pitching

Ian Snell and RRS in a pair of the games. Both have been terrible this season. Texas is a great home team, and they have continually beat on us in that ballpark.

Texas isn’t a great club, but they are certainly superior to our club. I expect very little out of this series, and I think come Friday, any talk of being in the AL West race will be gone.

by Rudy4three on Jun 6, 2010 9:28 PM PDT reply actions  

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