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My Griffey Story

Ken Griffey Jr. has never been a comfortable subject for me.

It's not because of anything he did, or didn't do, or anything that was under either of our controls. I grew up a Seattle Mariners fan. But I grew up a Seattle Mariners fan in San Diego. My exposure to the team, for the longest time, was limited to infrequent games against Anaheim on a cheap radio, infrequenter games on national television, and infrequentest trips to the Kingdome to watch them play in person. I started rooting for the Mariners in 1992. For the longest time, to me, the Mariners were ink in a newspaper. They were rarely anything else.

Things changed, of course, when the internet blew up, and then MLB.tv was launched. MLB.tv helped me connect with the team by allowing me to watch them with my own eyes every day. It strengthened the bond. MLB.tv caused me to fall deeper in love with Justin Leone. I didn't start actively posting on the internet, though, until 2000, and I didn't buy MLB.tv until 2004, its second year of existence. Griffey was already gone.

I mean, I knew who Griffey was. Everyone knew who Griffey was. My own mother knew who Griffey was. But, though I was a Mariner fan, Griffey wasn't a part of my childhood or early adulthood the way he was with so many people in Seattle. He didn't save anything for me. He didn't capture my imagination, or make me believe in impossibilities, or sweep me away with his smoothness and grace. Griffey wasn't Griffey to me. Griffey was an idea. I knew Griffey was good, really good, but more than anything else, for me, Griffey was a really good player on my favorite team that my SEGA video game said had the same color skin as Omar Vizquel.

It almost makes me feel inadequate as a fan, if that makes any sense. Inadequate or inferior. The experience of watching Ken Griffey Jr. rise in Seattle just seems like one of those things every Mariner fan should have in common, and I missed out. He just didn't reach me the way he reached so many people. There's a reason his return in 2007, his return in 2009, and his return again in 2010 didn't register with me the way they registered with others. For me, this was Ken Griffey Jr. For so many Mariner fans, this was Ken Griffey Jr.

Ken Griffey Jr. retired yesterday. Almost instantly, people began sharing their favorite Griffey stories. Online, on the radio, through scrolling texts to FSN. When he slid home. When he homered in eight straight games. That time someone waved, and Griffey waved back. Everyone had a Griffey story, and they were spilling out like so much oil into the sea. And as I sat there trying to wrap my head around the news, I realized that I don't have a Griffey story of my own.

I watched him hit a walk-off single against Toronto the other week. I guess that's a story. I've watched him do a lot of things. I missed out on a lot, but I also got to witness a lot. I have Griffey stories. But I don't have the type of Griffey story that other people do. I don't have a feel-good anecdote that never fails to warm my heart. Griffey never tossed me a baseball when I was nine. I just have observations. Somehow, those don't seem as meaningful.

And yet, though I don't have a Griffey story - or at least the sort of Griffey story that's appropriate for the occasion - I'd be lying if I said that Ken Griffey Jr. hasn't changed the way I approach baseball as a fan. Even though I missed out on nearly all of his rise and development and establishment as a superstar, sure enough, Griffey still made his mark. It just took his retirement to make me realize the true extent to which he had an effect.

Griffey made me understand that players will let you down. I don't mean this as a criticism. I don't. But Griffey forced his trade in February of 2000, when I was 14. When he played a game in San Diego the next season, I attended, wearing my Griffey Mariner jersey with "S-U-C-K-S" written underneath the name on the back on Post-It notes. I was mad. I didn't like Griffey, and I didn't like what he had done. Though I didn't get the whole Griffey experience in Seattle that so many of you guys did, I still knew he was a phenomenal player,a phenomenal player who made a douche move. At a young age, I learned a valuable lesson. Griffey helped me learn that our icons are people, and people are flawed. People do things other people don't like. I suppose hero worship might hold appeal for some, but for me, I'm glad Griffey gave me such a harsh dose of reality. The events surrounding Griffey's trade were an invaluable part of my development as an adult.

Griffey caused me to begin questioning managerial authority and intellect. As I grew up and watched a lot of baseball, I assumed that managers always knew what they were doing. Why wouldn't they? They're the experts. They're the people running baseball teams. Why would a baseball team hire someone that made mistakes, when the job seemed perfectly simple? Then, when I was 12, I went to the Kingdome for the first time, and at the Kingdome, I watched Jerry Manuel and the White Sox intentionally walk Ken Griffey Jr. to face Edgar Martinez, who promptly won the game in the 11th inning. I couldn't believe it. Edgar was one of the greatest hitters the game had ever seen. Why would you prefer to face him over Griffey? As I look back, of course, I understand the rationale better than I did when I was a preteen, but that's the move that got the ball rolling. First, you're trusting. Then, you're critical of everything. Then you get smarter and are critical of some things. Griffey caused me to jump from stage 1 to stage 2, and without that jump to stage 2, I wouldn't have gotten to stage 3.

Griffey made me see that Ichiro is human. Griffey made the world see that Ichiro is human. We'd seen flashes, when Ichiro would deliver his All Star Game speeches, or when he played for Japan in the World Baseball Classic, but we hadn't really seen the human side of Ichiro in Seattle until Griffey came along and tickled his ribcage. That changed so much about the way Ichiro is perceived. Before, while everyone acknowledged Ichiro's greatness, there were those that called him selfish, or distant, or cold, or disinterested. Griffey brought out the little kid. Griffey brought out the good teammate. After Ichiro retires and says his goodbyes, everyone will look back on his as being among the most magnificent and awe-inspiring careers they've ever seen, but I have to believe that Griffey will have played a significant role in getting the final holdouts to embrace Ichiro with open arms.

Griffey made me see that Milton Bradley is human. Sometimes I wonder if Bradley even thought he was a person anymore. Before he came to Seattle, Milton Bradley was more of a cartoon character than anything else. The way he behaved, and certainly the way he was covered, made him come off like some underdeveloped overactor on a television show. Being able to play next to a childhood hero, though - a childhood hero that took Bradley under his wing - it opened Milton up. It revealed the depths of his character and the depths of his emotion. While discussing Griffey's retirement in a postgame interview yesterday, Bradley was openly crying. Seattle has taken Bradley in and made him one of their own, and I wonder if that ever would have happened had it not been for Griffey's lead.

Griffey caused me to start putting some stock in things like team chemistry and leadership. For a while, I was every blogger ever. When people talked about veteran leadership in 2007, I rolled my eyes. When people talked about the missing spark in 2008, I rolled my eyes. Even when people talked about how Griffey had changed the clubhouse in 2009, I still rolled my eyes, and it wasn't really until the Bradley trade that the lightbulb started to flash. I found myself defending the trade in part because Seattle seemed like such a good environment for Milton, and I found myself believing it. Seattle was a good environment. Griffey was Bradley's hero, and Mike Sweeney certainly welcomed him into his heart. As I talked about how Bradley could flourish in a supportive environment, I started asking myself why this stuff would only apply to one player. Everybody benefits from a warm, supportive environment. I started to understand the ways guys like Griffey and Sweeney could have an effect off the field, and as such, I've gradually pulled away from my old, stereotypical blogger identity.

Griffey made me understand that there are different types of baseball fans, and we should never judge or lambaste someone for the way he chooses to take in the game. Again, for a while, I didn't understand how so many baseball fans could be so stupid. So uneducated. I didn't get why Safeco cheered louder for Willie Bloomquist than for Mike Cameron, and I openly blasted them for it. It wasn't until Griffey returned in 2007 to several raucous ovations that the wheels started spinning. I hated that people cheered Griffey's home runs. I hated that people booed Ryan Feierabend for throwing a pickoff. I hated that they didn't seem to care about the Mariners at all. Slowly, I started to get it. Baseball is entertainment, and people can choose to be entertained however they want. Ripping someone's fanhood is no different than ripping someone's taste in music, or ripping someone's taste in food. Some people want to break things down. Be analytical and calculated about everything. Other people want to enjoy the game without getting a mental workout. Other people want to sit back and just cheer for their favorite player. How is that wrong? Why did I ever think that was wrong? Why should it bother me if the guy next to me hasn't heard of UZR? It was the Griffey fans that first really got me thinking. They used to drive me insane. I get it now. I'm not one of them or anything, but I'm not going to make a big deal of that fact. They just wanted to cheer for the guy that made them fall in love.

And, lastly, Griffey made me question what we're rooting for. Griffey made me start to wonder if maybe, just maybe, there's more to this than winning. Honestly, it was Griffey's 2010 that did this more than Griffey's 2009. Griffey at least made a statistical contribution to a decent team in 2009. Griffey was terrible in 2010. On the field, he was hurting more than he was helping. It was so visibly obvious that he was finished. And yet, every time he came to the plate, he'd get an ovation, and every time he pinch-hit in the late innings, that music would start to play, and there'd be a buzz in the air. People didn't care how bad he'd been. Then - and right then - people just wanted to witness the magic.

I didn't understand how people could be so blind. I didn't understand how so many people could get their hopes up, only to see them so often get crushed. But those people didn't worry about how bad our record was, or how bad Griffey's numbers were, or how low the odds might've been. One big hit would make everything better. One big hit and it would be 'Junior does it again!'

It's fitting that, for Griffey's last Major League hit, people saw that magic. He delivered. For one final time, he delivered.

All my life, I've just wanted my teams to win. I still do. I don't want to root for a bunch of cellar dwellers or anything. Losing sucks. But if the only thing you cheer for is success, winning and success, then 29 times out of 30, your season ends with disappointment. Your season ends with a loss, or your season ends while other teams are still playing. It's important, then, to find other things to be happy about. Other things to root for. Good trades. Encouraging player development. Players you like. Things that can help get you through some of the tougher times with a smile on your face.

I want my favorite teams to win more than I want them to do anything else. I want to see what it's like. I want to feel how a championship feels. It doesn't look like that's going to happen in 2010, though. 2011's not looking so good, either. I don't think there's a championship looming in my near future. Yet I watch. I continue to watch. I continue to watch in the impossible hopes that everything suddenly turns around, but I also continue to watch for the sake of watching. I watch not only so I can see some wins, but I watch because there is beauty in the game, ever-present beauty, beauty that doesn't take a championship or even a winning record to appreciate.

And for that, I have Griffey to thank.

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It is highly likely that without Griffey

There is no Safeco and maybe no Seattle Mariners.

I feel privileged to have grown up in the Pacific NW and seen such a player on one of my teams.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Jun 3, 2010 10:56 AM PDT reply actions  

Tampa Bay Mariners.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jun 3, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Seattle Rays?

Like that would have ever happened.

Charter Member: Dave Sims Sweet Hat Club

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jun 3, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh and my best memory

Last year vs. the D-Backs in June, Griffey goes in to pinch-hit and just like in a movie hits the game-winning HR in the bottom of the 8th on the first pitch he saw. I was there for that and I’ll never forget it.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Jun 3, 2010 10:58 AM PDT reply actions  

As much as I knew Griffey wasn't very good and wouldn't produce

If I was at a game in Seattle and Griffey came up, I couldn’t help but get up and cheer for the guy who made this all possible. The person on the back of my little league card under “Favorite Player.” The person who waved at me when I was 7 years old at the Kingdome yelling “HI GRIFFEY!” while waving furiously at him.

We may have lost a few games with Griffey on this roster, but to give him the sendoff he deserves was entirely worth it. He’s a Seattle icon, and one of the greatest players to play the game. I hope we made his final year special for him.

by seiferguy on Jun 3, 2010 11:04 AM PDT reply actions  

Great Story Jeff.

That’s awesome to have that perspective. I was one of the many who grew up watching him. In ‘95 I cried my eyes out when Griffey slid into home on Edgar’s double. I then cried my eyes out as I watched the ride come to an in the ALCS. I was 7 years-old. Baseball was real. Griffey was just a part of that season for me. But his time in Seattle made me a fan of the game and more importantly, a fan of this organization. Not of the particular players but of the Seattle Mariners. For better or for worse. Thanks Jeff. Great work.

by I'mSureI'veSeenWorse on Jun 3, 2010 11:04 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Not all of us are lucky enough to have brilliant Junior stories

In fact, most of us probably aren’t that lucky. I never had a personal interaction, and rarely got to go to games as a kid.

But just because our fandom was limited to watching his HRs on TV and putting “Ken Griffey Jr.” in the “Favorite Player” section of our little league cards doesn’t make us any less fans.

I might be the only grown man who cried at work yesterday, but hell, this is Griffey. This is baseball. 2 of my top 5 favorite things in the world, nestled closely in the rankings with things like “air” and “shelter.”

by HititHere on Jun 3, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

He was the last of the sports stars from my youth

To retire, I was born in 1981. That hit me late last night more than I thought it would.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Jun 3, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Amen

When watching the tribute video last night on TV, I was struck by the fact that Dave was the voice on all those calls.

He is awesome, I hope he doesn’t FLY FLY FLY AWAY for a long time.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Jun 3, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't tear up last night but I've been thinking this for awhile now.

The day that man goes is the day I’ll cry like a baby. For any fan that grew up in Seattle between 1977 and present day, you have probably listened to that man for as many hours as you’ve done your homework and brushed your teeth.

I don’t want to get off on a sidenote about Niehaus but yeah.. that’s what this retirement makes me think of.

by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 3, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm from Portland so I'm also a Blazer fan

When our equivalent, Bill Schoneley (aka the Schonz) retired in the late 90s, having been the radio voice since the franchise began in 1970, I cried all night.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Jun 3, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

I seriously hold Dave and Griffey on equal pedestals

Equally great portions of the same great ideal that is Mariner’s baseball.

by HititHere on Jun 3, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Neihaus IS Mariner's baseball to me.

I will cry when he leaves.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jun 3, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Same here.

And I will keep crying when Rick becomes our main announcer.

I don't want to achieve immortality through my work... I want to achieve it through not dying.

by the other side on Jun 3, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

One can only hope.

I don't want to achieve immortality through my work... I want to achieve it through not dying.

by the other side on Jun 3, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't have anything against Rick.

He brings a slimy quality to the broadcast, like an old guy at a roller rink.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jun 3, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions   5 recs

This needs like 5,000 recs.

Dave is the voice of my childhood. My second grandfather.

Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?

by Benne on Jun 3, 2010 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting Point

I was born in 1980 and watched Puckett, Brett, Yount, Ripken, Bonds, on and on and on. Yesterday does really mark the end of my youth in baseball. We are on to an entirely new generation of players. We just get to watch as our heroes’ names come up for HOF voting. Weird.

I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh

by HitKing69 on Jun 3, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

This may not be the time/place for this, but despite the ill will surrounding Griffey's trade in 2000, isn't it easier

to be a Mariners fan and a Griffey fan than it is to be a Minnesota fan and a Puckett fan?
Puckett never left the Twins and was an important part of their marketing for years after his retirement, but… uh… off the field?

by marc w on Jun 3, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can't necessarily speak towards what it must be like to be a Mariners fan right now

But I grew up in Minnesota and Kirby Puckett was a big reason I became a baseball fan. I don’t think that the off-the-field stuff with Puckett really hurt Twins fans that much, as messed up as that may seem. It’s probably always going to be easier to get upset by something a player does publicly (like get traded or say something bad about the club or whatever) than something a player does privately, because as a fan, it’s a lot easier to delude yourself into thinking with any private fiasco that maybe a story got blown out of proportion, or maybe there was just some misunderstanding with the media and things really didn’t happen that way.

On a personal level, I think Puckett’s off-the-field problems taught me a lot of the same lessons that Jeff describes regarding the Griffey trade. It was at that point which I forever separated Kirby Puckett the baseball player and Kirby Puckett the man. I came to realize that I could only ever really know how good a player was between the lines and that that might have absolutely no correlation to how he lives his private life.

So, to bring this back to Griffey, I hear sometimes about how Griffey was not a great guy off the field or whatever, but just like with Puckett, at this point I don’t really care. I never aspired to be like them personally, I only ever aspired to go about my life with the enthusiasm and joy that they seemed to have when they played baseball.

by ubelmann on Jun 3, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think you're exactly right, but when I step back, I find it easier to be a fan of Griffey

Maybe I’m just rationalizing. And you’re right that it ultimately comes down to what they did on the field.
I just can’t hate Griffey eternally for the 2000 exit or for this year’s zombie baseball demonstration. What he did from ‘89-’99 is enough.

(And I loved/feared Kirby Puckett growing up too. I was at the game when he nearly killed M’s pitcher Steve Shields with a line drive.)

by marc w on Jun 3, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

The next 30 years.

When Rickey’s legs ran out of speed, Eck’s finally called it a day, even the A’s sent Frank home, Brett hung them up, Cal gave himself a day off, Edgar was now a Drive instead of hitting lined ones, Bone was in the Booth & Bonds finally succumb to his own mess I clung to Griff with everything I had swing speed completely gone & all. Just shy of 30 when the last of my childhood heroes put his cleats up for good.

Dave will own this city forever, no one calls spectacular plays better than he does. I was 5 years old asking my Great grandmother what Rye bread was. I love him & always will, the day he goes thus city will cry right along with me. Dave will thank Griffey forever for saving us from Tampa, with out Griffey Dave would have ended up like Kevin doing games here & there for ESPN or worse just retired.

I will miss Ken. I will never forget what he means to our city. What he meant to my childhood.

"It's a light bat"

by DHforHOF on Jun 3, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

And remember,

the “Hit It Here Cafe” was pretty much built for him.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jun 3, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

"You can't hit it here anymore cafe"

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jun 3, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

I'd bet that Jeff is probably the youngest SB Nation blog manager

I would guess most people here are older than he is.

Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all

McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.

by baetown415 on Jun 3, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Seems like there's a huge "18-24" demographic here

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by MT Olson on Jun 3, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm 22 and I'm still baffled that BrianL is younger than me.

Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?

by Benne on Jun 3, 2010 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wait, what?

Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.

by JAH on Jun 3, 2010 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Beautiful.

I never thought we would have something in common Jeff, but too missed the glory Griffey years.

Being a military brat, I was constantly on the move and it wasn’t until 2003 my father was finally stationed in Seattle. I missed Griffey. I have no attachment to 8 straight days with home runs. I have no memory of the super catches in centerfield, I have no memory of the “momentum blast”, the double, or

by Mariner Melee on Jun 3, 2010 11:11 AM PDT reply actions  

...

his 1997 MVP season. These are things I missed.

It funny. I am such a hard ass in theory about these things. Griffey should retire because he is no good. But when it actually happens…its just about as sad as it can get.

by Mariner Melee on Jun 3, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

The 8 straight HR Games is a funny memory

I remember being on vacation in central Oregon and waking up early to get a newspaper to see if he had hit his 9th straight. Sadly, it was a late game and the Oregonian went to early press in order to get the paper out “on time” in other parts of the state. I remember staying at a Best Western. I remember playing a 3D Pac-Man game in the hotel arcade. Weird.

I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh

by HitKing69 on Jun 3, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

I bet a lot of us remember the 8 straight HRs pretty clearly

I got to go to what would’ve been game 10 (which was huge for me, because I went to literally maybe 4 Mariners games between 1989 and 2000) with my friend’s family.

Obviously he didn’t get 9, but I walking home from school with my buddy after game 8, thinking about how amazing it would be to go to game 10 if he got it. One of the most vivid memories of my life.

by HititHere on Jun 3, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Reply fail.

For the record, I am also depressed to find out I’m several years older than Jeff.

by HititHere on Jun 3, 2010 11:11 AM PDT reply actions  

A side note...

I remember once when I was 8 or so waiting outside the Kingdome before a game playing catch with my dad in the driveway that lead to the team parking area. I loved going early and playing catch outside the park. All of a sudden a Hummer pulled into the lot. We stepped off to the side to let it pass. As the car pulled passed us it rolled it’s tinted window down, and there was Ken Griffey Jr. I was awestruck. As he drove past me he slowed down enough to get out a “Nice throw Kid.” He kept going. Most likely never thought about it again What a stand up guy. I’ll never forget him.

by I'mSureI'veSeenWorse on Jun 3, 2010 11:12 AM PDT reply actions  

This is absolutely my favorite Griffey story I've read so far.

I’m sure that you get kudos on your writing all the time as you are a very talented writer. But thank you, sincerely, for writing this. The way I can’t relate to the circumstances of your experience in any way while also sharing similar emotions is very heartening.

Also, Taylor Swift sucks and anyone who likes that crap is a retard.

by TheBishop on Jun 3, 2010 11:13 AM PDT reply actions   3 recs

This was a wonderful post

I am also one of the fans that came along once Griffey was gone. My lasting memories of Griffey are when he came back in 2009 and turned the clubhouse around. That will be my living memory of Griffey. Not the playoff wins or the home runs in the 90s – I’ll remember the human element and how he inspired so many people. I was too young to remember the glory days, but the last year and a half has had a few glory days in its own right. It was time for him to go, but his presence will always be felt in Seattle.

Thanks for posting this, Jeff.

by E-Lizz on Jun 3, 2010 11:15 AM PDT reply actions  

I sometimes think that people were so stunned by the way Griffey left because of his 'Kid' persona

That nobody could believe this naive little prodigy could be calculating, or could have motives outside of having fun and dingers.

This is a great piece, Jeff. The only thing I’d add, given the benefit of growing up here, is that he taught me that sometimes players come through. For every time your hopes are crushed by an Al Chambers, it’s really nice to know that sometimes players exceed the hype. That one in X00 times people say ‘Help is on the way’ or ’They’ll be exciting to watch next year,’ it’ll actually be true.

by marc w on Jun 3, 2010 11:17 AM PDT reply actions  

The Magic in The Swing
I continue to watch. I continue to watch in the impossible hopes that everything suddenly turns around

This is what Griffey does to people. He isn’t just a baseball player, Jeff. He’s The Kid – the only adult in the free world whom I know of, that lives everyday with that spirit inside of him. The most pure and innocent forms of enjoyment, of entertainment come from little kids. And as we get older, our tendency is to move away from those childish, silly things and mature into serious adults.
Not Griffey.
Griffey’s magic didn’t come from his bat – not entirely. It came from his smile, from his warmth and honesty, and from the open possibility of hope. He taught a city, and a generation of kids across the country that it was ok to live like a kid for your whole life. That chasing your dreams wasn’t just a dumb childhood game.
He taught the same lesson to dozens of other players, lessons not at all about baseball or how to hit 630 homeruns. But lessons on how to treat people, how to carry yourself, how to make things fun.

by sumodave on Jun 3, 2010 11:18 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I regret starting to hate Griffey the last couple months.

I mean, I never had a great connection with him, as I was 9 when he was traded, but I still know that he was amazing and an icon. I guess I just figured he wouldn’t retire until the year was over and that there would be a chance to cheer for him again at the stadium and see him play again. I didn’t think that May 23rd against the Padres would be the last time I got to see him play, or whatever you call what he was doing this year. It makes me realize that I don’t like being such a cynic when it comes to these kinds of things because it makes me miss out on some of the simpler things.

by Mariner John on Jun 3, 2010 11:19 AM PDT reply actions  

Ken Griffey, and the Mariners

I started to like the Mariners when i was just a tot, i remember when Ken Griffey Baseball came out on SNES, I fell in love with the game, his swing, and the way he was because of a video game, It wasnt until I moved from Missouri to north Idaho that I got to attend games, watch him Johnson, Cora, Buhner, Martinez, Dan Wilson all in the same uniform. It was a treat to watch Griffey through out his career and I have him to thank for my love of the mariners. Great Career, hope to see you in the Mariners uniform for a long time teaching some people how to play ball.

It was all just a dream...

by MasinMud on Jun 3, 2010 11:24 AM PDT reply actions  

I don't think I'll ever bring myself to like Griffey

but it’s not because he was bad over the last season and change or because he seemed to be a conscious commitment to ticket sales over talent. It was because he reduced my grandmother to tears.

My grandmother loves baseball. She grew up in Orange County and watched and listened to the Angels. After she moved to Utah and later Idaho and Alaska, she didn’t have a team to follow. When she finally settled down with her family in Seattle she adopted the Mariners as her team.

Griffey was her baseball icon, the first player she got to see progress from a promising teenager to a bonafide superstar. When Griffey forced the trade she was crushed. It actually drove her away from the game for a number of years. She understood that Griffey wanted to play closer to home, but the way he went about it felt like a betrayal to the organization that brought him into baseball and groomed him into a superstar. It felt like a betrayal to fans like my grandmother, who showered him with praise and respect for his accomplishments on the field.

My grandmother seemed to fall in love with baseball again last season when Griffey came back. I couldn’t understand it, he had been the one who had hurt her fandom so deeply by leaving. I simply couldn’t reconcile these things, but there it was. Griffey, now a shell of his former self, had repaired all of the damage done by re-signing with the team in Spring Training last season.

I had time to think about this overnight. If my grandmother can forgive him, maybe I shouldn’t be so harsh on him. Don’t misunderstand me, I was eleven when Griffey broke my grandmother’s heart. I’ll never forgive him for that.

Still, before yesterday my response to a hypothetical Griffey retirement would have been “Finally and good riddance.” Now that I’ve had a chance to think about what he’s meant to people like my grandmother? I’m thinking differently now.

Ken, I can’t forgive you for forcing that trade, but I can commend you for realizing your shortcomings this season and walking away instead of prolonging this. I don’t know if I will ever like you as a player, but in the last 24 hours you’ve done a lot to earn my respect.

by BrianL on Jun 3, 2010 11:25 AM PDT reply actions  

Interestingly, we have family friends whose mom was likely the same age as your grandmother

and she was all on board with his “going home”, and remained a big fan until her death a few years back

by msb on Jun 3, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Never forget the smile

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Jun 3, 2010 11:27 AM PDT reply actions  

He's pretty happy woth Wolcott there.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jun 3, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

God I hope so.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jun 3, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

We're not too far away from Joey Cora in tears.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jun 3, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Please nobody put that picture up

Or I may be in tears at work for the 2nd day in a row. My coworkers already think I’m nuts.

by HititHere on Jun 3, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well from the looks of it, with Griffey's face frozen in mid scream, the two obviously unconsciousness black men to his left,

And the look of smug satisfaction on Wolcott’s(a very southern sounding name) face, I’d guess this was a racial beatdown that took place sometime in the mid 1990’s.

You're dead to me.

by Goose on Jun 3, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions   7 recs

Yep doesn't ring a bell.

I don't want to achieve immortality through my work... I want to achieve it through not dying.

by the other side on Jun 3, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe, but it was one of the most amazing comebacks ever

I would be more happy if they also talked about the other great things this franchise has done

by Poochie on Jun 3, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Baseball more than any other sport

Honors its history.

Lord knows we have constant comparisons between now and plays 30 years before nearly all of us were born.

It was also the signature moment of this franchise.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Jun 3, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Griffey isn't just baseball in Seattle, he IS Seattle sports

Seattle sports fans are some of the most unlucky in the world. Every time we come so close to winning it all (2001 Mariners, 1980-something Sonics, 2005 Seahawks) our devotion as fans goes unrewarded. 2001 was tan demount to a Yankee bitch slap across the face of Seattle, same goes for the unholy Seahawks super bowl. Even when we were the best by a wide margin we still couldn’t win it all, still haven’t won it all.

Despite the lack of championships we so desperately want, we have griffey. Griffey is not like Gary Payton because he was never an abrasive personality. He isn’t like Edgar because his Hall of Fame credentials are not in question. He isn’t like Hasslebeck because his career is not defined by repeated failure in the clutch. In a sense Griffey may be the only great athlete Seattle has ever produced, and championship or not, we will always love him whether or not he is or has always been deserving of so much adoration.

Peace, Love and West Coast Hip Hop, Go Mariners!

by E2ESQUARE on Jun 3, 2010 11:36 AM PDT reply actions  

You're entitled to your opinion, but that might be going a bit far...

Jack Sikma, Walter Jones, Steve Largent, Sonny Sixkiller, Hugh McElhenny…. I could keep going. Griffey was a great player, and one of the best athletes we’ve ever seen, but lets not forget the other greats.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jun 3, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

great athletes, all of them, especially Jones

but I think you would agree that none are held in as high esteem as Griffey is in Seattle, whether or not it is deserved.

College football is another story. I’m sticking with pro here to keep it simple

Peace, Love and West Coast Hip Hop, Go Mariners!

by E2ESQUARE on Jun 3, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Griffey is dearly loved in this town.

But I think there are other guys that are on that level with him.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jun 3, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Watch out for Slick Watts.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jun 3, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hello, Huskies national title in Football?

I know it was split. but at least you won it.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Jun 3, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Miami can go f*ck themselves.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jun 3, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Jun 3, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fucking, God.

Thanks for those memories.

I don't want to achieve immortality through my work... I want to achieve it through not dying.

by the other side on Jun 3, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Though the Sonics two finals runs in the late-70s and a championship happened before I was born, it still happened.

And just as Griffey was a hall of famer after a decade in Seattle, so is Ichiro a first ballot hall of famer. Just because he’s asian, doesn’t mean he’s not a Seattle sports icon that will go down as such. And though Randy played half his career elsewhere and won a championship elsewhere, he’s still a great Seattle athlete. You start here for that long, you’re a Mariner.

by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 3, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

See, I remember watching the Sonics win the finals.

So maybe it’s different for me. And I remember Husky football in it’s heyday. I remember the Chuck Knox Seahawks teams…

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jun 3, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

We're old.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jun 3, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Screw you Dennis Rodman.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jun 3, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

We could say the same thing about A rod, but we don't

because he left for the money. Thats being selective, but its what we do. We are Seattle sports fans and when great players leave for the money we cant dish out, it stings.

Peace, Love and West Coast Hip Hop, Go Mariners!

by E2ESQUARE on Jun 3, 2010 11:48 AM PDT reply actions  

I think I know what you're replying to.

Alex Rodriguez has played as a Yankee for 252 more games than he did as a Mariner. He was here for 5 full seasons. When it’s all said and done he will have played maybe 25% of his games as Mariner. And he never seems to say anything good about the city unless he’s being diplomatic.

Randy Johnson was here from 1989-1998. He won a Cy Young. He was an icon. When Randy was pitching, the Kingdome was electric and it was the hottest ticket in town. He geniunely seems to have a real relationship with the city. He is an icon here, he became an icon here and though he may go into the hall of fame as a Diamondback, there is NO comparison between Randy Johnson and A-Rod, NONE.

by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 3, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

We didn’t see hardly any of A-Rod’s best years. We saw RJ turn into a demon while he was here.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jun 3, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

In 5 seasons A rod changed baseball forever, and he did it in Seattle

I agree that Arod will go down in history as a Yankee. He won a world series there, broke out of his “not clutch” curse there, and played corner infield with Derek Jeter and Mark Texiera. When he goes to the hall of fame, it will be as a Yankee. But Arod had arguably just as much success here as a player as Johnson did. Yes, Randy won a Cy Young, but Arod hit 40/40 as a shortstop and redefined the position at a time when Nomar Garciaparra was still healthy. The sting we still feel from when he left clouds our memories as fans, but make no mistake, Arod was one of the best (if not the best) players in baseball when he left, and the stupid amount of money he signed for validates that sentiment. And lets not forget, Randy left too, because he wanted out of Seattle just as much as Arod did. Two hall of fame players, both began their careers in Seattle. One we love unconditionally, one we hate with a passion. Logically there is no basis for saying one is a better “Seattle Athlete” than the other.

Peace, Love and West Coast Hip Hop, Go Mariners!

by E2ESQUARE on Jun 3, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

But if you look at A-Rod's career,

the majority of his prime was spent in Texas and NY. Maybe that’s why I don’t care about him, other than the fact that he lied when he said “it’s not about the money” then went and signed an almost franchise killing deal with Texas and said it’s all about winning. Randy wanted to go home, and was pissed because the M’s thought he was too big of a risk because of his back. Junior wanted to go home, and took less than market value to do so. A-Rod used his 40-40 speed to run to the bank.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jun 3, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jun 3, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

So not a good memory,

but I sure remember being devastated, and thinking “it’s all over” when he broke his wrist making that catch.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jun 3, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

A little statistical tidbit for argument's sake

Griffey’s WAR as a Mariner: 73 over 11 years, average 6.6 WAR per year.

A-Rod’s WAR as a Mariner: 36.7 over 7 years (including 200 PAs in 1994-1996), average 5.2.

Statistically, Griffey had a stronger impact over more years. I think those extra 4 years, flirtations with the postseason, and 1.4 WAR per year had just as much a contribution as A-Rod leaving for the money.

by HititHere on Jun 3, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Before this gets turned into a who-was-better shitfight

Let’s try to remember that this is a Griffey appreciation post and keep it on topic. Thanks!

(hitithere, I don’t mean to imply that you did something wrong, just trying to head the debate off before it gets too far away from what Jeff was talking about)

by pdb on Jun 3, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the thing about Griffey for us is that he was the first one to always have been ours

and the first one to succeed from such a young age. Sure, there was Alvin Davis, but Alvin Davis was never the player that Ken Griffey was. Sure there was Randy and Edgar, but Randy came to us as a inherently flawed 26 year old pitcher who was already in the bigs – Edgar came to us as a 27 year old infielder who was never good enough to make it out of AAA.

Griffey was uniquely ours. He had the same or greater talents than his Mariner rookie classmates, but he had always been ours, and had succeeded so quickly and so young – he was the one who would finally bring the Mariners to the promised land of the playoffs. That and he did it with that infectious smile, and that he always seemed to enjoy playing the game, the nonchalance of it all.

My Griffey moment was probably the summer of 1994 when he hit all those home runs and it looked like he was on pace to break Maris’ record. It made me learn the math to figure out what he was on pace for, to obsessively follow the box scores, and to train my ear to listen to my alarm clock radio on the lowest possible volume so my parents wouldn’t know I was listening to the game after bedtime. I loved everything about how he played the game, and I even taught myself to bat left handed because of it.

Griffey was the first reason I loved the game. He was an icon for little kids that Randy and Edgar never were – they were always simply giants, people who respected the game and played it well, and Junior was someone that a nine year old could relate to.

For that, I’ll never hate Griffey. I was sad when he left, and disappointed how he did it, but I understood that he wanted to be closer to his family. I was sad when injuries robbed him of his defensive abilities and made him a shell of his former self, but he still had that ability and athleticism to look graceful even while in decline.

I was thrilled when he came back to Seattle. I knew he was bad, but every time he came up to the plate, I still thought he was going yard. There’s something about replaying childhood memories of all those homers in the 1995 ALDS or the back to back 56 homer seasons that resonates forever.

I’m now sad again that he’s gone. I know the team is better off for it, and he probably is as well, but like so many others have said, it feels like a little part of my childhood died yesterday.

by seattlebruin on Jun 3, 2010 12:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Not to get off topic, but I've never understood why Alvin Davis is "Mr. Mariner".

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jun 3, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

But never became quit as good.

He was a good player on a really bad team. Why does that make him an icon? I remember watching the M’s when he played, and he wasn’t even in my top 5 favorite players at the time.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jun 3, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which was impressive,

but I still don’t get it. Forget about Alvin for a second, and just ask yourself why you would bestow that honor on someone when a franchise was that young?

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jun 3, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes.

Not ROY. I didn’t make that very clear. But it’s like watching three episodes of a TV show and saying “this is the best TV series EVER”. Jumping the gun a bit maybe?

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jun 3, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

He was the face of a franchise that desperately needed a face

Regardless of how little history the M’s had up to that point, Alvin Davis was the most identifiable Mariner in their history, and Seattle was desperate to have something about the Mariners to fall in love with.

by pdb on Jun 3, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

well ...

“He’s Mr. Mariner,” said Ken Griffey Jr., who believes [Davis’] number should be retired. “A.D. was a guy who went out there, worked hard, played with a lot of intensity and had fun. He wasn’t blessed with a whole lot of speed, but he found a way to get the job done.”

Dave Niehaus, the Mariners’ broadcaster from the beginning, agrees that Davis’ number should be retired. “The new ballpark will be known as the stadium Junior built,” Niehaus said, “but there will only be one Mr. Mariner and that’s A.D. He was the first Mariner to win a major award (Rookie of the Year) and the franchise’s first star player.”

by msb on Jun 3, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

But wouldn't that be like naming Birdie Cree "Mr. Yankee"?

I still think it was too soon, but I see your point.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jun 3, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Outside of having Gaylord Perry win his 300th game with the Mariners

the team had done nothing to garner much attention. Not just nationally, but locally as well. Alvin Davis won a major award when Seattle was still considered a backwater baseball town and probably not worthy of having a team. He was the first guy to really get national attention outside of being a novelty (Perry) or shitty (Mendoza). It doesn’t make a lot of sense now, but at the time he was probably about the only Mariner (although you could make a case for Langston) that fans outside of Seattle knew.

No matter where you go, there you are.

by KC Mariner on Jun 3, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Damn

But Edgar was hitting the shit out of the ball in AAA for 2-3 years before being called up. I’m not sure saying he wasn’t good enough to make it out of AAA is all that accurate.

No matter where you go, there you are.

by KC Mariner on Jun 3, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

The fact that he grew moss sitting in the minors is a huge black eye for this franchise in my opinion.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jun 3, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

That's the impression, not the reality

and really, the impression that Griffey was ours and good for a team that had always been bad was what made him a hero

by seattlebruin on Jun 3, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

The impression is that Edgar was hitting in AAA?

I’d have to go back and look, but I’m pretty sure that’s true.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jun 3, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Am I wrong?

Was he not hitting down in AAA? I remember reading multiple stories about him killing it in Calgary if I remember correctly.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jun 3, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's what I thought.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jun 3, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he was raking in the minors.

It also says he was born in NY, NY…. But he’s from Puerto Rico….

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jun 3, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Born in New York, raised in PR

His folks moved back when he was a toddler

by msb on Jun 3, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

That makes more sense.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jun 3, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hm, obviously I was a little too young to understand at the time

but I always thought the impression of the casual fans was that Edgar was not coming up because he was not good enough

by seattlebruin on Jun 3, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

What kept Edgar down was Jim Presley hitting 27 homeruns in 1986.

The Mariners just wouldn’t let it go and stuck with him while Edgar gave the fans in Calgary something to cheer for.

No matter where you go, there you are.

by KC Mariner on Jun 3, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Edgar wasn't even the Martinez clubs wanted to scout originally.

They wanted his brother.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jun 3, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

The team did not know where to put him at the time because of Presley.

KC Mariner basically nails it. Edgar was ready to go at about 25.

by Sec 108 on Jun 3, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

If he gets called up then,

he gets to 3,000 hits and nobody questions his HOF credentials.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jun 3, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who knows really?

I’m not huge on the whole projecting what would have happened thing. If you go down that road you could also ask about his injury at BC Place, the Marzano collision and more. My point was just that Edgar very well deserved a shot to play earlier but circumstances did not work in his favor.

by Sec 108 on Jun 3, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good point.

He could have been hit in the head with a pitch in is first game, and never recovered. I guess I’m just mad that the man who has the DH award named after him isn’t a lock for the HOF.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jun 3, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

This post really resonates with me because I'm sort of in the same boat - I don't really have a Griffey story.

I’m a little different than most because prior to 2002, my team was only ever the Reds. I was a very casual baseball fan so I really only cared about Griffey until he was traded, and then he was never particularly special on the Reds (though I do still have a Reds Griffey road sign hanging over my closet…).

When I moved to Washington in 2002, I started to care about the Mariners as well as about baseball in a less superficial manner. But by then, all i knew about Griffey’s real legacy was from hearsay and stories.

It’s because of all this that Griffey doesn’t really have a personal significance for me. But he has helped me better understand what it means for a single player to mean so much to a team and a city, what exactly clubhouse chemistry is about (like you said, Jeff)—things like that. He hasn’t shaped my baseball experience the way I know he was for so many others, but he certainly has played an important role in my overall conception of baseball. I’ll miss him, though never as deeply as for most Mariners fans.

You! Cake or death?

by Torrid on Jun 3, 2010 12:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Why it might bother you
Why should it bother me if the guy next to me hasn’t heard of UZR?

I think that it’s great that you can appreciate that people all enjoy the games in different ways—I think that’s a healthy attitude. But I don’t think you should beat yourself up over not realizing that earlier on. I think it’s only human nature to want to fit in and it’s naturally going to be a little less fun at the ballpark if your fellow fans aren’t as enthused as you about the things that you are enthused about.

That’s no excuse for ragging on other people’s fanhood, but it’s understandable to be a little disappointed when other people don’t see the world the way you do.

by ubelmann on Jun 3, 2010 1:37 PM PDT reply actions  

I've gotta say

Even as a Rangers fan that visits this site infrequently, I’m impressed. It is like you channeled your inner Joe Posnanski. A rare post that resonates deeply with the readers emotion and perspective. Of that I’m appreciative.

by Heebs on Jun 3, 2010 1:43 PM PDT reply actions  

That's the great thing about Jeff though

with him, these aren’t exactly rare. He’s awesome and we’re lucky to have him as overlord.

by pdb on Jun 3, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

Jeff is in his mid-20s.

Most writers his age are still in the low minors, working there way up. Their writing has all kind of kinks and juvenalia and tunnel vision that hold them back. It takes years to master all that and acquire an engaging, fluid, individual voice. With the typical career arc for a writer peaking in the mid 40’s (coincidence, I’m 45), we can only imagine what heights Jeff will achieve.

by strudel on Jun 3, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jeff is the Ken Griffey Jr. of journalism

Just don’t switch allegiances to Red Reporter, then suffer some bizarre finger injuries that cripple your career halfway through.

Also, please retire before you go senile and lose your ability to form coherent sentences when you near the end of your career. All of us grouchy old commenters on LL will not hesitate to roast you like a skewered pig for your inadequacies.

by HititHere on Jun 3, 2010 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

LATE

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Jun 3, 2010 1:54 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Rob Johnson is on 710 talking Griffey and the Perfect Game.

I wish he wasn’t such a personable young fella, because I hate to have him on the team.

by msb on Jun 3, 2010 2:17 PM PDT reply actions  

My favorite Griffey memory is

going a little hog-wild with the left-left-right-right-right-left-left cheat code on Major League Baseball Featuring Ken Griffey Jr. and having him finish a season batting .967 with 127 home runs and 255 RBI’s.

I loved that game.

by craig3410 on Jun 3, 2010 2:21 PM PDT reply actions  

I truly feel bad for you Jeff

Being a committed sports fan in Diaspora is a lonely existence even today—I did it for 2.5 years in LA—but it must have been orders of magnitude worse in the mid-90s. The Griffey Days were a magic time. The Mariners were Seattle—the whole region was caught up in it. It remains the emotional pinnacle of Seattle sports history, during my lifetime anyway (post-1982).

This also helps me put in context some of the stuff you’ve said about Griffey this season. While intellectually I knew you were right, viscerally it was equivalent to “pull that fucking breathing tube out of grandma’s throat—time for that bitch to go.” So I’m relieved to learn that one of my favorite bloggers isn’t a heartless bastard after all. I’m also glad that now you, and everyone can regard him for what he truly was, outside the context of the 2010 season: unquestionably one of the greatest baseball players of all time.

by dlukas on Jun 3, 2010 2:51 PM PDT reply actions  

To think that the Griffey stories may have never been...

Poor kid

I just can’t help but remember this, and I’m not sure how much its talked about.

by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 3, 2010 3:24 PM PDT reply actions  

I watched a young Griffey start in Seattle and was glad he was able to return in 2009.

 I wasn’t at all happy with 2010. Now that he’s retired I’m relieved and very thankful to him. He came to us as a 19 year old kid. He gave us the best years of his baseball life. He will always be the face of baseball in Seattle. For that, we owe him a huge debt of gratitude. He grew up here and those of us who were able to watch him are extremely lucky. Anyone who has followed this club since 1977 will always know this.

by TrustBaseball on Jun 3, 2010 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nice story Jeff.

Junior retiring makes me extremely sad and very angry also.

If only the bullpen hadn’t been so shitty.

If only Figgins, Lopez, and Kotchman hadn’t been hitting like crap until we were almost out of it.

If only Rob Johnson and Moore hadn’t played like defensive bozos out there.

If only RRS hadn’t pitched like one of the worst starters in the whole league.

If only these players hadn’t underperformed so badly, the Mariners would probably be in first place in the West, Junior would still be playing and possibly on his way to his first World Series appearance ever.

It wouldn’t have come down to this, and the whole degrading Napgate mess would never have happened. Instead, we see a great player’s career coming to an unfitting sad end.
Junior’s performance was only a small part of this team’s crappy record, no matter how much he was being made a scapegoat on the Mariner blogs.

Man, this makes me really sad (and also pissed off at the fucks who underperformed so badly).

by Sam Regens on Jun 4, 2010 8:54 AM PDT reply actions  

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