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32-44, Game Thoughts

I wonder what they talk about during these things.

Everything you need to know about Cliff Lee, you could learn from his postgame interview with Brad Adam.

Fresh off another win - another complete game win, his third in a row, this one coming in Yankee Stadium in a game that lasted just 150 minutes - all Lee could talk about was his second inning walk of Jorge Posada, and how he struggled with falling behind in the count.

Lee threw 79 strikes, by the way. 79 of his 115 pitches were strikes, for a 69% rate that's well above average. Indeed, he didn't get ahead as often as usual, and he had a tough time getting to many two-strike counts, but understand what we're talking about, here. Lee wasn't bad. In terms of hitting the zone and getting ahead, Lee was fine. He just wasn't Cliff Lee. Cliff Lee didn't pitch up to his own standards, and the result is that he was less than pleased with his effort, an effort that earned him a complete game win.

This is how a winner talks. The fan in me wants to tell Cliff, hey, lighten up, you did great. You beat the Yankees. Savor it. But true stars are never happy with anything less than their best. You know how guys like Lee and Roy Halladay stay so effective and so in control? It's not because they settle. It's because they analyze each and every one of their mistakes in an attempt to make sure they don't happen again. They're always pushing themselves to get better. It sounds so simple, so high school, but it's true, and it's a rare quality in a person. For every goal that a star like Lee reaches, he sets another one. A higher one.

Cliff Lee is everything that is right with baseball. I'm disappointed he won't get his ring here, but I hope he finds one. He's earned it. He earns it every single day.

  • Lee's right, for the record - he really wasn't at his sharpest, or anywhere close. Though he threw a lot of strikes, he did have a hard time missing bats, and he went 1-0 on 15 guys, 50% more than usual. Nick Swisher took him deep a couple times, there were a number of long fly balls and liners, and those hits in the ninth have to count for something.

    But honestly, I'm kind of glad to see it. Even when he allowed eight runs to the Padres, you could still tell he was an exceptional pitcher. Tonight he looked human. And it's good to see the human side, because it serves as a reminder. This way, when Lee gets traded, we won't look at it and think, wow, the Mariners had a flawless pitcher and they let him leave. It takes away some of the hurt.

    It's a difficult feeling for me to express. I guess it's that a start like this helps pull me back to being more rational. As you might've heard on the podcast, Matthew and I have both kind of felt like holy crap re-sign re-sign re-sign it doesn't matter what it costs just get it done. Neither of us wanted to entertain the thought of a Mariners team without Cliff Lee on it. I still don't, but a start like this helps keep my brain from going completely insane. A start like this whispers in my ear "well he does turn 32 in August, and he's going to cost a whole heap of money." There are reasons against trying to bring him back. A start like this helps bring them into view, if only a little bit.

    Of course, I don't actually know if I want that.

  • I hate that I'm here, talking about Cliff Lee's trade as an inevitability. I hate it. Once again, we're faced with the prospect of this having been Lee's last start in a Mariner uniform. This has been such a colossal waste. Lee could bring back an outstanding return and 2010 will still never feel right. Look what the Mariners have. Look what they've done with it.

    It kills me, too, because even though the M's are 32-44 and own one of the worst records in baseball, we saw what they did tonight, and we know they have Felix going tomorrow. This is a mediocre team that, even as built, would have terrific odds of making a run were they to advance to the playoffs. I know that's more a criticism of the playoff structure than it is praise of the team, but who knows what could've happened? These M's were built to get over the short, steep slope. They just couldn't get over the longer, shallower one.

  • John Isner threw out the ceremonial first pitch today. A comparison, using AP images:

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    The 6'9 Isner is more handsome, but the resemblance is striking. If Young played a sport requiring him to be athletic, they could be twins.

    Saving Isner for a Yankees/Red Sox game would've been more appropriate, but I guess you have to strike while the iron is hot.

  • The difference between Mike Blowers before the game and Mike Blowers during the game is like night and day. Before the game, Blowers talks like he's relaying his favorite anecdote from a recent vacation to a friend for the first time. There's energy, there's tempo, and there's enthusiasm, like he just can't wait any longer for the game to get going. Then the game gets going and he shuts down, often sounding as if it's already been five hours and he'd rather be somewhere else. Occasionally one of the Daves will introduce a topic that gets his motor running, but I'm pretty sure they do this deliberately to keep Blowers from falling asleep. Those broadcast booths are open to the air, and for all I know Blowers is one of those people that rolls around when he sleeps. It's a long way down.

  • This probably deserves a post of its own, but remember last year when we remarked on how Russell Branyan had started making more frequent contact, allowing for a career resurgence? It's continued. Branyan's contact rate of 71% so far is the highest of his life, and his strikeout rate, in turn, is the lowest it's ever been. Russell Branyan is 34, but unlike most 34 year olds, Russell Branyan might've gotten better.

  • It would be easy to say that Franklin Gutierrez's solo homer in the fourth inning was a cheapie, as it only squeaked into the first row in left-center field. But while the ball didn't fly a great distance, what the box score leaves out is that the pitch was a high inside fastball that Guti practically fisted out of the ballpark. Here's the thing about Guti. Some hitters are strong, and consistently make good contact. These are the best hitters in baseball. Other hitters make consistently good contact but have less strength, and still other hitters have good strength but don't consistently make good contact. Guti belongs in the third group. He doesn't translate bat speed to ball speed as well as most of the stars, but he has a very strong swing. Strong enough to muscle the occasional inside fastball into the seats when he hits it just right. It's easy to forget how hard he can hit a ball when it finds the sweet spot. Which means he's overdue for one of those 440-foot moonshots.

  • In the third inning, Michael Saunders did a good job of stretching a shallow fly ball into a double. That was good baserunning. Then, when Ichiro followed with a single up the middle, Saunders ran to third, failed to pick up Lee Tinsley, and paused before continuing on to home plate. That was bad baserunning. Saunders scored anyway, though, and the only reason I bring this up is because how often have we actually gotten to experience the Bad Process/Good Outcome quadrant this season? It feels like so much has been the complete opposite. Saunders screwed up, and we were still rewarded. That's fresh.

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Lee wasn't bad

He was very much above average when you compare him to anyone but Cliff Lee. He was also pitching against arguably the best hitting line-up in baseball and I never felt (beyond the Swisher blast in the first) that he was really in any danger. Maybe a little tingling in the 9th when Saunders decided that the game needed to be a little more interesting.

by Henry H on Jun 29, 2010 8:41 PM PDT reply actions  

The ball was thrown from the outfield to second base.

I really cannot see how this was anyone but Figgins’ fault. If it’s at his feet, he should move. Or bend over. The guy stands only 3 inches off the ground, it’s not like it’s that far to travel.

I can’t see the replay, so maybe I am missing something, but a throw at Figgin’s feet from the outfield is a throw that I would consider Figgins to be accountable for, not Saunders.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Jun 29, 2010 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

He didn't block it but instead stood to the side especting the ball to hop into his glove.

…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell

by Marinerfanjake on Jun 29, 2010 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Few strikeouts, two home runs, tons of fly balls and line drives.

I’m hesitant to use the word ‘bad’ but Cliff Lee deserved to give up about six runs. That’s bad. Cliff Lee was bad.

by Matthew on Jun 29, 2010 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lopez had a baserunning mistakes

He coulda got a triple but instead got a double (probably because he’s so fucking slow)

…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell

by Marinerfanjake on Jun 29, 2010 8:45 PM PDT reply actions  

I'M ON TEE-BOOM!

I wonder what the person on the other line experienced.

You got slurved!

by Slurvey on Jun 29, 2010 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

While this is hillarious,

I hope that guys ok. Breaking all of your teeth is kind of a harsh sentence, even for a being yankee fan.

by doublemazaa on Jun 29, 2010 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

It looked like only a few in the front could have been broken. That's not so harsh.

Besides, he obviously could afford to sit in the “not so cheap seats”, so I’m not at all concerned that he may not have a good dental plan. Yankees fans don’t deserve that much empathy.

by TrustBaseball on Jun 30, 2010 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Was at the game

The guy in front of me said, and I quote, “Ichiro has the worst swing in the game.”

Milton Bradley is my hero.

by SeaKoala on Jun 29, 2010 9:13 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

What did you say?

…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell

by Marinerfanjake on Jun 29, 2010 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

GOD

Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.

by JAH on Jun 29, 2010 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's pretty close to correct I think

As long as he meant it as a compliment.

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by Corco on Jun 29, 2010 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I can see it only in one case...

No one looks worse when they strike out swinging.

by SethGrandpa on Jun 29, 2010 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ichiro's swing works for Ichiro and only Ichiro

I don’t think anybody could succeed. I don’t even know how to describe it. When I first saw Ichiro I thought it was horrible and would never work. Somehow he makes his hybrid “wind up toy” / fly swatting approach produce hits all the time but to this day I don’t understand completely how.

by Edgar for Pres on Jun 30, 2010 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Simple.

He’s a robot.

Thank you, Walter Jones.
Thank you, Ken Griffey Jr.

by thebyron on Jun 30, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

SBN Seattle Headline: Mariners Survive Rare Shaky Start From Lee, Top Yankees 7-4

At first I laughed when I saw the word “shaky.” Cliff Lee just pitched a complete game against the frickin’ NYY lineup at their bandbox stadium, only walking one, giving up 4 ER (only 2 when the game was in doubt – both solo HRs), and we won.

Then I realized it actually is a shaky start for him. God I’m gonna miss you Cliff Lee.

by SethGrandpa on Jun 29, 2010 11:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Shame I missed this game (14-2 BITCHES).

Still got to hear the Guti funk blast on the radio though which was nice

"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot

by beastwarking on Jun 29, 2010 11:50 PM PDT reply actions  

From things Drayer has said on the post-game

I gather that when they used to have Blowers sitting in the pressbox with them, he was more as he sounds pre-game. Chatty, prone to accurate in-game prognostications. I don’t know if it is that he is deferring too much to the play-by-play or what, now when he is on-air. As you say, sometimes something tickles his fancy and he starts chuckling and telling stories, but it isn’t very often.

by msb on Jun 30, 2010 8:03 AM PDT reply actions  

Cliff Lee WOOOO!

Fun game, gorgeous evening, didn’t get too much harassment from the Yankee fans. Here’s hoping King Felix is even better tonight!

Thank you, Walter Jones.
Thank you, Ken Griffey Jr.

by thebyron on Jun 30, 2010 8:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Cliff Lee, Roy Halladay, CC Sabathia.

These are the three guys to throw 3 straight complete games since 2008.

Good list.

by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 30, 2010 8:17 AM PDT reply actions  

I've heard people criticize Lee as being a guy who doens't throw complete games.

It’s usually their argument as to why Halladay is better. Now what say they, I wonder, I wonder.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jun 30, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

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