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Jamie Moyer’s Recent "Success"

Sure, Jamie Moyer doesn’t play for the Mariners anymore, but he’s been one of the most intriguing stories to me this year in baseball.  A 9-6 record, 4.30 ERA, and 6.5 innings-pitched-per-start ratio make for loads of happy (casual) fans from Philadelphia.  Moyer’s seemingly been on a tear as of late, including four starts of eight innings or more in his last nine, but has he really been that much better than last season?  Taylor H Insider takes you on an intrepid journey into the inner statistical workings of the man known as Jamie Moyer.

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K/9

  • Jamie Moyer 2009: 5.22
  • Jamie Moyer 2010: 5.29
  • Conclusion: Moyer’s ability to miss bats remains poor, but has not gotten worse.

Batting Average on Balls in Play

  • Jamie Moyer 2009: .292
  • Jamie Moyer 2010: .235
  • Conclusion: The league average BABIP is usually around .290.  Moyer has been exceedingly lucky this season with respect to batted balls that don’t leave the park.

Groundball-to-Flyball Ratio

  • Jamie Moyer 2009: 1.03
  • Jamie Moyer 2010: 1.11
  • Conclusion: Moyer hasn’t gotten much better at inducing grounders.  He’s pretty much stayed the same.  Do you sense a pattern yet?

FIP/xFIP

  • Jamie Moyer 2009: 5.08/4.74
  • Jamie Moyer 2010: 4.89/4.63
  • Conclusion: This is a bit surprising.  Moyer’s actually been unlucky on flyballs leaving the park.  However, his luck (or lack thereof) hasn’t changed noticeably from last season.

Now bear in mind that Moyer allowed nine earned runs in a start that lasted a grand total of one inning earlier this year.  His numbers would look a hell of a lot better if you ignore that one start.  However, it did happen, and I’m not a fan of excluding a pitcher’s worst few outings when trying to determine his value.

It seems to me that Jamie Moyer has just gotten lucky more than he’s been unlucky.  [Note: do you realize that the word "lucky" is just "luck" with a -y suffix added? This is really bothering me.]  However, he’s on pace to be worth 1.4 wins above replacement, and that’s a hell of a lot better than Kyle Kendrick, who’s been worth 1.4 wins above a pile of dirt.  The only real change I’ve noticed is that Moyer seems to be locating his fastball (if you can call it a “fast” ball) and change-up slightly better, resulting in a wFB of 3.9 and wCH of 2.5, each of which is significantly better than the numbers he recorded last season in that department.

I have to admit: the guy’s 47 years old and he still manages to pitch fairly well in a hitter-friendly ballpark.  I hope he keeps pitching until he’s 57.

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I'm being honest when I say there's no end in sight, as long as Moyer doesn't want there to be

He might end up being forced into retirement by some freak hospitalization like the one he had over the winter.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 27, 2010 11:12 PM PDT reply actions  

I thought for sure that was going to be the end.

And honestly I was shocked and more than a little bit worried when he decided to come back. God I hope he gets his 300 some way.

Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines

by the other side on Jun 27, 2010 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just hope he goes in as a Mariner.

Maybe he could have a Griffeyesque swan song (minus the being terrible part).

by Fuckmikereilly on Jun 28, 2010 2:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm really hoping he goes somewhere that's not Philly

If he has to pitch another 3 seasons to get 300 and does it all in Philadelphia, he’ll have been a Philly for 7 years with the World Series win and stuff, which makes it a pretty close call between Seattle and Philly

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by Corco on Jun 28, 2010 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

I love this!

Does the World Series trophy come with a plate of bacon?

by PositivePaul on Jun 28, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Juilo Franco bit actually got a laugh from me.

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by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jun 28, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have had several long conversations regarding this

Right now his career ERA (which we don’t look at, but HoF voters will) is vastly higher than anybody else currently in the HoF. But 300 games is basically a guarantee for the Hall.

Also, supposedly Cooperstown isn’t just for the “best players” based on stats, but also for the guys who had the most impact on the game. Pitching until 50 has to count for something.

by HititHere on Jun 28, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Suppose he does get #300, and he does get in the Hall

Do you suppose the Mariners should retire #50?

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by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jun 28, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes.

But I also think the Mariners should have retired #11 and #19 yesterday. Not like they’re in a rush to do it. Time to rewrite that damn number retirement policy!

by harkening on Jun 28, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

At least they've de facto retired 11, 14 (Piniella ?!), 19, and 24

They reissued 50 shortly after Moyer was traded to Wlad, which sucks donkey balls

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by Corco on Jun 28, 2010 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm relatively confident that 24 will be the first number retired.

11 will be retired, but I don’t know if 19 will.

If I have my way, 51 will be retired twice.

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by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jun 28, 2010 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why twice?

What’s the difference with retiring it once for both?

Stop The Wave!

by ConorGlassey on Jun 28, 2010 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Yanks retired 8 twice.

I figure Ichiro will still be playing when 51 gets retired for Johnson, then they’d add another display for Ichiro.

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by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jun 28, 2010 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Grandfather clause

makes it really not applicable here. They really screwed up caring about retired numbers when they let David Segui wear 21. That should have been the first number retired a long time ago.

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by jameslcrockett on Jun 30, 2010 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

If there's one thing you can count on Jamie Moyer for,

it’s to throw the brick right.

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by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jun 28, 2010 1:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Jamie Moyer is my favorite player ever.

Fight to the HoF! You can do it! And the Mariners should retire his number for sure!

Milton Bradley is my hero.

by SeaKoala on Jun 29, 2010 7:59 AM PDT reply actions  

Where was Jamie Moyer when these people were born.

Jamie Moyer was born November 18, 1962 in Sellersville, PA. One year and four days before the assassination of JFK.

Kirk Hammett: The Metallica guitarist was also being born. They share the same birth day.

Ken Griffey Jr: Moyer was 3 days past his 7th birthday when Jr was born.

Theo Epstein: Born Dec. 29, 1973, Moyer was 11 years old when the Red Sox GM came into this world.

Cliff Lee: Born August 30th, 1978, Clifton Phifer Lee was just a wee baby being held in his mothers arms while Moyer was 15 going on 16 at Souderton Area High School where he was a standout in baseball, basketball, and golf. Somehow Moyer must have figured he’d have a longer career in baseball then in.. golf.

Jake Gyllenhaal: Nearly 30 years before he was the stupid Prince of Persia, Gyllenhaal was born on Dec. 19, 1980. Meanwhile Jamie Moyer was a freshman pitcher for St. Joes University. Other people who were just infant toddlers who served no purpose in society when Moyer was a freshman in college: Kim Kardashian, Christina Aguilara, Rachel Nichols ESPN, Zooey Deschanel, Michael Vick, TI, Sue Bird, and Yao Ming.

Rob Johnson: Born July 22, 1984, Rob Johnson came into this world and was subsequently dropped by the doctor, his mother, his father, the nurse, randoms – it all makes sense now! Meanwhile, Moyer was setting single-season records as a senior at St Joes: 16 wins, 1.99 ERA, 90 K’s. He was then drafted in the 6th round by the Chicago Cubs. At the time, the Cubs had only been absent from the World Series for 78 years.

Rafael Nadal: Hard to believe it, but 2 days after one of the world’s current tennis greats was born, Jamie Moyer made his major league debut on June 13th, 1986. The Cubs beat the Phillies 7-5 as Moyer beat Steve Carlton. Little King Felix was a little more than two months old.

Rick Porcello: Born Dec. 27th, 1988 (and then constantly hounded for the rest of his life about whether he got dual presents) Porcello was still years away from being the youngest American League pitcher as he was last season. Meanwhile, Jamie Moyer is getting used to the idea of playing in Texas. Three weeks earlier he was traded, along with Rafael Palmeiro and Drew Hall for Paul Kilgus, Mitch Williams, Curt Wilkerson, Steve Wilson, Pablo Delgado, and Luis Benitez.

Starlin Castro: Currently the youngest player in the majors, Castro was born March 5th, 1990. Moyer was getting ready for his 2nd season with the Rangers, and would make 33 appearances that season, but only 10 starts.

Shelby Miller: There’s been a lot of talk the last day about Miller around these parts. Born Oct. 10th, 1990 in Brentwood Texas, Miller was just a month old when Moyer was told to get out of Texas, having been released by the Rangers.

Justin Beiber: Try to find famous people that are only 16 years old. It’s not easy. March 1st, 1994. At this point Moyer is about to turn 32 years old. He’s getting ready for his 2nd season in Baltimore, having already been with the Cubs, Rangers, Cardinals, Tigers, and now Orioles. He’s seen himself spend an entire year in the minors at age 29, seemingly getting ready for that exit from baseball that so many major leagues see if they haven’t established themselves by now. It’s unbelievable to think about now, but Justin Beiber is one of the most famous people in the world and has made millions over millions. Meanwhile Jamie Moyer was still two and a half YEARS away from joining the Mariners at age 33. When he came to the M’s, Moyer had 66 career victories.and was let go five times. When Moyer started his reclamation project with the Mariners full-time in 1997, Ryan Anderson had not yet been drafted yet. Moyer has won 195 games since the end of 1996. Even though this is obvious, I cant emphasize it enough: Jamie Moyer is still pitcing.

by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 29, 2010 11:29 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

This is a very good perspective. I was still in diapers (very stubborn) when Jamie was born.

I’m older and I probably reached the pinnacle of my career last year. Here’s hoping Jamie gets to go longer. He’s done it physically, which is much harder. My hat’s off to him. Go Jamie Go.

by TrustBaseball on Jun 30, 2010 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

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