World Cup Thoughts and Baseball and Sports
As a fan of any big important international competition I have been following the World Cup religiously these past few weeks. Almost literally as adjusting to a schedule centered around few sleeping hours per night and 4am wake ups feels very monastic. However, when I think back years from now and the sufferings that go along with such tiredness have been forgotten, I will recall with nostalgia the pre-dawn mornings the way I recently had a pang about studying for finals in college. Brains are stupid that way.
Unlike with my recent Olympic experience, and perhaps in part because of it, I had no waffling over rooting interests coming into this Cup. I was rooting for US wins first, England losses second, and then some other random events a distant third. Draws like the one setting up US vs. England on a prime Saturday slot made the conspiracy theory seem plausible until you consider the other two game times for the US.
No matter, I was present for all three, first at Neumos with about 600 other fans who though certainly passionate didn't seem worried enough to bother showing up much ahead of the match which left my 6am wakeup and arrival pretty fruitless. Sort of the opposite of the Olympic Hockey final. I was at Doyle's in Tacoma for the Slovenian game, arriving on a full one hour of sleep and powered by four cups of coffee, which I never drink and thus had a profound effect on my tweaking level. The first two draws were each memorable in their own ways and both ended with more luck on our side than people seem to realize.
I am not interested in writing a review of the USA-Algeria game from a focus on the actual participants. What interested me after the fact was my own emotional roller coaster. Me and some untold amount of people were huddled together watching the game as it went through its agony and delight and frustration. When reaching back to summarize my experience that morning, it would be easy to say that Donovan scoring perhaps the most important goal in US Soccer history made it all worth it. That is certainly what I would have originally expected. However, my feelings after the game lead me to think otherwise now.
After the initial surge of joy from the goal wore off around 30 minutes after the final whistle, I found myself remarking how it would have been really perfect, from my perspective, if Slovenia had drawn with England and knocked them out. Don't get me wrong, I was still pleased with the day. I was just already moving on, musing about how it could have been different and what was up next.
I know I'm different, faster to return to equilibrium than most others I have encountered. But still, we all return to normalcy eventually. A championship by a team that we root for is not going to fundamentally change anything about you. That may sound distressing. What's the point of it all then? What's the point of enduring all this sadness if in the end the pay off is so short?
It's in the process. It's in the rooting. The experience. The shared bonds. 2001 didn't end how it should have, but nobody can take away what those 116 wins felt like. And what sticks out about them to me are the shared qualities. The random conversations I would have all season long with strangers, standing in line at the grocery store or wherever, marveling over another win. I remember how incredulous everybody seemed. How we took winning almost for granted and then every time it approached that point, we would suddenly gain perspective and appreciate it all over again.
Jeff touched on it with his four-part Mariners win the World Series posts back in 2009 and while many thought the conclusion was depressing, I think it's spot on. What makes the enduring worth it is the experience. The US team is out now, victims again at the feet of Ghana. I am sad that is over, but those four games gave me a memory I will always hold and people, even strangers, with whom I can always share it with.
Once you finally reach the destination then it's the journey that becomes meaningful, that becomes remembered. In the meantime, the pursuit of the goal sustains most of us and sharing in that trek allows me to find humor in the lows and more joy in the highs. The destination, once reached, can be reached again, but the path will never be the same. You have to enjoy it for what it is.
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I was at Neumos for game 1, Atlantic Crossing for game 2
And I received jumping hugs from people I didn’t know after goals at both games. The exuberant joy I felt at these moments are something that are difficult for me to describe and something my girlfriend certainly doesn’t understand. Sharing these experiences with people, digging my heels in and hoping for the best, telling everyone around me that it’s not over that we need to believe and of course starting rousing versions of the national anthem (and other cheers) are what makes these experiences so extraordinary for me.
One day, if my kids ask me why I root for teams that always lose, I’ll tell them that it is because of these reasons. If they tell me that’s stupid, I guess I’ll have to kill them.
If I'm not mistaking, Atlantic Crossing was on the Daily Show the other day.
2010 Safeco Field Record: 1-1 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 11-5
I saw that clip, and thought of some of the great meltdown threads here.
Seattle: We’re Bleaker Than Most.
Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.
That last paragraph is really deep.
As painful as it is to root for the Mariners sometimes, it will feel much sweeter for us to see them win the world series one day than for Yankees or Red Sox fans to see their team win, since its expected for them to win.
2010 Safeco Field Record: 1-1 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 11-5
This is what I tell myself every year.
And I think it’s true. I feel like the first championship would feel a hell of a lot better than another team’s 27th.. Then again, 27 probably feels better than 72-90 (or other similar record).
Indeed
I read it and was thinking about medical school; not baseball or soccer.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jun 28, 2010 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Unfortunately, we have to wait so painstakingly long for our local teams to win championships.
But hey, at least we’re not the Chicago Cubs!
Well,
my point is that it is like 100+ years since their last championship. Their fans have went through much more pain. Though they still have been in the playoffs more. I admit my ignorance.
While a championship would be nice...
I wouldn’t mind atleast having a team to cheer for, a team that actually has a chance at the playoffs. There’s just so little reason to care about the mariners anymore.
I remember when the Seahawks made the Super Bowl
The nice thing about having a city that never wins anything is that everybody gets really into it when a team starts winning. Same thing happened in 1995. It makes it feel much more like a shared experience throughout the entire city.
Living in LA now, I can say that a lot of people love the Lakers and there was noticeable chatter during the NBA Finals, but it wasn’t the same as Seattle.
Extremely well put. I’ve made similar comments, that I feel I remember the 2001 season as fondly as I would even if we had made it to (or even won) the World Series.
I didn’t have very great experiences as far as viewing the matches during this World Cup. I caught the first two at the bar I cook at (open for breakfast with little to no business, so we just sat in the bar watching it). The third, I missed entirely because it was the first day of a class I’m taking. The Ghana match, I watched in it’s entirety in my living room with my wife and my pug. He kept running into the bedroom when I yelled in frustration during extra time, like I was mad at him. Poor little guy.
Regardless, it has, for me too, created some serious memories. And as much as I’ll always remember 1995 as the season I started paying attention to baseball, I’ll remember the 2010 as the year I started caring about soccer.
Hey y'all, the World Cup still exists
There’s still almost two weeks of matches left.
In the same way that baseball continues on in October even though the Mariners aren’t a part of it—and most of you watch that baseball—this tournament goes forth until July 11th. There may not be stars and stripes on the field, but there are some pretty amazing teams out there.
And it’s not just supporting the US that can create bonds. The first day of the World Cup, I remember being united in support of Uruguay with everyone there who just didn’t want France. So enjoy the beauty of Holland’s game, or just decide to pick Anyone But Portugal.
Because really, you should take advantage of another two weeks to drink at 7am.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jun 28, 2010 6:09 AM PDT reply actions
Yes, the tournament is still going
but when you don’t have the emotional investment it becomes entirely different. It’s still fun, but not in the same way. Same as it is with the baseball playoffs.
by Aaron Campeau on Jun 28, 2010 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions
It's still not over and I'm tired of people writing as though it is.
Your rooting interest is done, ok, that’s fine.
But in other sports, people don’t stop watching just because their team bows out.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jun 28, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, a lot of them do.
But aside from that, I didn’t get the impression that Matthew was saying anything close to that with this piece.
by Aaron Campeau on Jun 28, 2010 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I think, way more often than not, they do
by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 28, 2010 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe I'm just going off the majority of sports fans that I actually know, then.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jun 28, 2010 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I mean, I don't have any science or numbers to back it up
but 98% of the world’s fans are casual fans, and casual fans lose interest pretty quickly once their teams are done.
Of course, paying attention/not paying attention isn’t black and white. I imagine most Americans will cease caring much about the World Cup, but many of them will still follow along to some degree.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 28, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Anecdotal evidence ahoy!
My in-laws are “average Americans” in that they love American football and baseball and couldn’t give two shits about soccer. Once the US started playing this year, though, they got into it – to the point where they watched the entire Algeria game, and got really excited about it. They also watched the whole Ghana match, and were bummed when the US lost.
I now fully expect them not to pay a damn bit of attention to the rest of the tournament, and not give soccer any serious thought until Brazil 2014. And you know what? That’s fine.
I have never understood the American soccer fan’s obsession with trying to make other Americans love soccer. Soccer is a niche sport in this country, it always has been and it always will be – and that’s absolutely fine with me. I like being in that niche, and anybody that wants to can join me there but, once the US is eliminated from the Cup, if all you want to do is watch MLB, NFL, or NBA, good on you. I’ll see you in four years at the next World Cup and buy you a beer, as I try to explain the offsides rule to you using the condiment jars on the bar table.
by pdb on Jun 28, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Personally as long as people aren't insulting the sport and its fans I'm happy
by Aaron Campeau on Jun 28, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Just how many times have you watched Bend it Like Beckham, pdb?
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jun 28, 2010 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions
They do the exact same thing to explain offsides.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jun 28, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
It's the easiest way to do it
silverware’s too elongated, and beer glasses should not be used because people are drinking out of them. I have also tried drawing it on Keno slips but there’s entirely too much writing on them already so it doesn’t make sense.
Napkins
draw it on napkins.
Or just get a smartphone and keep videos of Tevez’s “goal” from Saturday and Dempsey’s “non-goal” from Algeria on it
by seattlebruin on Jun 28, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
It strikes me that soccer, more than any other sport in the US,
inspires more defensiveness and vitriol from each side. I don’t get it.
No, soccer is not some hippie communist plot.
No, not all fans find soccer boring or enjoy simply because it’s the hipster thing to like.
No, most fans don’t really care about what you think is wrong with soccer.
No, soccer does not need to be popular here just because it’s popular in most other countries.
No, soccer being niche doesn’t make the US backward or mean that Americans don’t get it.
by Matthew on Jun 28, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Wait, it's not a hippie communist plot?
Aw man. And I got up early on all those Saturdays.
by Aaron Campeau on Jun 28, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
I think the obsession with trying to make other Americans love soccer is tied directly to the USMNT's World Cup performance
The country didn’t light up with excitement when we made the quarters in 2002, in part because it was in Korea/Japan and games were at 2am/4am, partly because the ‘98 team was so tragic, and because the MLS hadn’t penetrated the national consciousness to any significant degree. But now, the MLS is well established (if still distant behind the major sports), the expectations of the national team were higher, and the games were at reasonably accessible times. And the story of the first World Cup in Africa is compelling.
Personally, my interest in the U.S. team is grounded in support for the home side. I’ve always rooted for the Americans in international sports, even as I grow older and cynical of US history and foreign/domestic policies. I want my country to at least contend in if not win the biggest sport in the world! That’s natural. And American success in the World Cup would presumably be a revelation for the MLS and the game in general in the U.S., and that is something to root hard for. It’s a beautiful game and it deserves a place among the major sports. So it’s a crushing disappointment when the USMNT gets itself to the precipice of success and still can’t get over the top.
by lemonverbena on Jun 28, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
2002 is easily my favorite World Cup ever to date because of the 2am start times.
We would throw “breakfast” parties at my house to watch the games. I was a mess at work that month as I was going to bed at 8pm every night so I could get up to watch the matches. Then by the time I went to work at 7am I was already tired. Good memories for sure from that Cup.
I was very grateful to be living in Connecticut for that Cup
if I was in Seattle I don’t think I would have been able to function.
The people who stop watching the world cup after their team goes out aren't actually soccer fans
Which is fine, but they should probably stop pretending to be fans then
by Graham MacAree on Jun 28, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think that's entirely fair
To be sure, it is true in most cases, but rooting interest is often the #1 priority. I usually don’t watch much of the MLB playoffs. I all but tuned out of the NHL playoffs after Ottawa lost. I’m still rather fond of baseball and hockey.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 28, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Zackly
My level of interest and emotional investment are a fraction after the U.S. is eliminated. The home team is my vehicle to the sport. With that said, I’m still more interested in the World Cup than I am in the World Series. They play those every year and my team is never in contention.
by lemonverbena on Jun 28, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, depends when your team loses.
I find it’s hard to watch the round right after my team loses because I can still imagine them there. But when it gets into the semifinals or finals, I usually come back around.
Also, I think the World Cup, similar to the Olympics lends itself to following along even if your country isn’t involved because many of us have other countries that we pull for to some degree. It seems a lot easier to find a rooting interest amongst all the nationalism and pageantry than in sports like basketball, where it’s just a few stars that most people are rooting for/against.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jun 28, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Same here
Not many people I know (save for the former soccer players in college and high school) followed the U.S. squad until the second match, and most of the people I know who rooted for the U.S. only watched those matches. And there’s no reason to stop watching now, when (presumably) the matches are only going to get better.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
I am having a hard time coping with the impending loss of Cliff Lee
As for soccer I don’t get it. I don’t see the appeal, I don’t think i ever will. Just like I don’t get the Olympics, International competitions always seem to be in sports i don’t care about.
I don't mean this in a dickish or snarky way so please don't take it that way
but have you tried? Soccer can be a lot of fun if you let it be. If you’ve tried and still don’t care for it, fair enough, but if not you should give it a shot. It’s a fun sport.
Soccer is a ridiculously awesome sport to watch
being someone who knows very little about strategy and tactics, the only thing I currently find frustrating about watching high level soccer is that it’s hard to find a time to run to the bathroom besides halftime.
I think I’m totally OK with this problem.
by seattlebruin on Jun 28, 2010 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Soon enough the NFL will be like a picture-in-picture TV
where the game is in the little box and ads are filling the rest of the screen.
NFL broadcasters could learn a few things from World Cup coverage
Namely, more and quicker replays. American producers/directors are obsessed with reaction shots.
by lemonverbena on Jun 28, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
And when to harshly criticize
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jun 28, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I am really glad you wrote this Matthew and I hope it helps a few people.
It was my Grandfather and wife who drove home the “enjoy the journey” approach to sports back in 2003 and it has helped make me a happier person. I would still consider myself a crass individual, but at least sports do not dictate my moods anymore. I do.
Saturday I was bummed when the game ended against Ghana, but instead of wallowing I jumped into doing some chores and sure enough the joy of completing a project that had been over four months in the making soon drowned out any frustration that may have lingered after the final whistle.
Same here - in the end, I was actually quite thankful to be very busy (and rather intoxicated) on Saturday
I didn’t need to dwell on the game, and later on, thinking rationally, I realized that watching our team the last few weeks has been a lot of fun, and even in defeat they played very well. Just this World Cup has me very excited for the next one, and even the qualifiers leading up to it – I’m hoping that many of the young players get better (Bradley, Altidore, Findley (?)) and that a few of the better veterans can keep their form til 2014.
Also, super excited that most of those defenders won’t be back… =’(
by seattlebruin on Jun 28, 2010 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
My favorite line from FIFA
" “We obviously will not open any debate,” Maingot said. “This is obviously not the place for this.” "
I would not go so far as to suggest that FIFA are corrupt, but they are and always have been an organization that exists solely to enrich itself and do nothing more than pay lip service to the advancement of the game. It’s incredibly irritating.
There is no way England deserved to win that game, but at 2-2 it would have at least provided an interesting spectacle and not interesting in the trainwrecky way it turned out to be.
The only positive outcome there is that hopefully now the blinders have fallen off the English FA and they’ll realize that they are nowhere near as good as they think they are.
It seems like as a whole, the European sides have had a very rough World Cup
even Germany looked very poor against Serbia, and Spain lost to Switzerland. Does it seem like the rest of the world is catching up to the Europeans or is this just a bad year for them?
by seattlebruin on Jun 28, 2010 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
It's kind of a transitional year for some European teams
in that a lot of them aren’t playing the way they are expected to play, at least by a lot of the media. Going into the tournament, you can generally expect people to talk about how Gerrmans play very solid, angular, efficient soccer, the Dutch and the Spanish play flowing magic pixie dust soccer, the English roll their sleeves up and get to work, and so on. But the German team this year is very young and much less German than in past Cups, so they play a much different game, and crucially can adjust that game if things are not going well.
The Dutch, instead of looking amazing, are grinding people into dust in a rather boring yet effective style, the English are just bad, and the Italians were old. And then there’s the French.
So I’m not sure it’s a case of people catching up to the Europeans – this German side in particular could be good for a few more tournaments (Euro 2012 and the next WC) at least, and the Dutch will always be good – as much as it being sort of a transition year for a lot of teams.
What was frustrating about France and Italy
is that they had several young, interesting players that they chose to completely ignore for their final 23 man rosters. It seems like the most successful countries are the ones who find ways to bleed their youngsters in World Cup play to prepare them to be the future of soccer for their country.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jun 28, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I could write books about all the bad decisions France made between WC 06 and this one
but the biggest one, and the only one that matters, was not firing Domenech after Euro 2008, which also went badly for the French, although less hilariously. He singlehandedly ran the French team into the ground. I don’t know as much about Italy, but they did seem to be a very old side this year.
There's that, but remember that you can take a game off in the opening round
It’s not always the best strategy, but Germany losing to Serbia didn’t harm them, and it may in fact help them down the road. Spain losing to Switzerland is just a weird anomaly now as Switzerland never scored again and Spain righted the ship. Hell, Italy lost to the US in 2006 (what? They didn’t? Fuck the refs, Italy lost to the US in 2006).
Italy won the cup in 82 despite not winning any of its opening round games. Brazil got to the final despite losing to Norway in ’98. Weird shit happens, and I wonder if teams use some of the games just to try new stuff out – different combinations/formations/etc.
The story of the tournament has been South America. Europe had the high profile meltdowns of Italy/France (who nobody thought were great, great teams) and England (who some people thought were great). But this is balanced in part by the play of Germany, the Netherlands, Portugal and Spain, who’s still probably the favorite. Way too early to tell if Europe’s having a bad year.
It helps that they get so many chances
and play in their own time zone.
Still, I can’t really think of any non-European teams that didn’t make it that probably should have.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jun 28, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions

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