30-41, Game Thoughts
Cliff Lee's next turn comes on June 29th, in New York. After that, it's July 4th, in Detroit. After that, it's July 9th, in Seattle.
Rumor has it that the Mariners are taking calls, and that Lee negotiations could move quickly. Which makes sense, in that Lee isn't a marginal upgrade, but rather a supermassive grail of an upgrade for whom every single start means a probable win. Contenders have a vested interest in landing Lee as quickly as possible, because every additional start he gets could mean an additional game in the standings.
Which means we might've just seen Cliff Lee's final start in Seattle.
What a start it was.
I'll write my goodbye letter when I have to. I'm certainly in no hurry, as I'd like to savor all this for as long as I can. While I know a Cliff Lee trade is in this organization's best interests, it's still an occasion I'll meet with grief and despair, because what we've seen from Cliff Lee through 11 starts is unlike anything we've ever seen from any other starter. His blend of tempo, command, and confidence is unmatched, and every game, every at bat is a blessing. Cliff Lee isn't just a pitcher. He's what we want every pitcher to become.
Still, if this was truly Lee's last start at Safeco Field, it was a start that showed off the whole package.
- Control. As noted in the post below this one, Lee threw 90 strikes out of 115 pitches, and according to Todd Dybas, he went 0-2 on an unfathomable 19 of the 34 batters he faced.
- Unhittability. The Cubs took 76 swings, whiffing on 17 of them and hitting fouls on another 34. When Lee needed a strikeout, he came up with one, as he did against Derrek Lee, Xavier Nady, and Starlin Castro in the sixth and seventh.
- Unflappability. Lee bounced back from Tyler Colvin's home run with a three-pitch strikeout, and when the Cubs had a runner in scoring position, they went 1-7 with a double play and four whiffs.
- Endurance. Again, Lee threw 115 pitches in throwing his second consecutive complete game, and third in four starts. At no point did it feel like he was tiring.
- Enjoyment. Cliff Lee is always smiling. We've said it a million times before. He's always smiling. It doesn't matter where he is, or what he's doing. He's always in a good mood, and after the final whiff, he was beaming left and right.
- Pace. An 8-1 ballgame was over in two hours and 28 minutes. Lee was impatient when batters stepped out of the box. He darted out onto the field for every upper half. One time, following a strikeout to end an inning, I went to my Excel sheet to enter it into my table, and when I looked up again, Lee was already in the dugout drinking water. Cliff Lee isn't a man that wastes a lot of time. He knows exactly what he wants to do in every situation, and more often than not, he does it.
Part of me hopes that this is Lee's final start as a Mariner, so we can see what we get and move ahead with trying to build a champion. And a big part - perhaps a bigger part - hopes that it isn't. A big part hopes that this never ends, that he never goes away. Because Cliff Lee is all I've ever wanted in a pitcher, and I don't think I could ever prepare myself to bid him farewell. This was supposed to last longer. We were supposed to do more.
I love Cliff Lee. I love him. And if this really was his last game in Seattle, he certainly went out with a bang, and I can only hope he heard us. I hope he heard us cheer.
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Gonna fly through these, as I'm sleepy:
- Starlin Castro is 20 years old. He came in with all of 162 plate appearances in the bigs, zero in AAA, and 243 in AA. Tonight, Lou Piniella asked him to face Cliff Lee. He struck out three times on ten pitches - once on a change, once on a cutter, and once on a curve that dropped from his eyes to the middle of the zone. Dick Wolf is writing a Law & Order: SVU episode about Starlin Castro's self-confidence.
- Cliff Lee is one of those guys that makes you wish baseball had another level. Something above the Majors. It would feature a lot of Lee, and a lot of Roy Halladay, and a lot of Adrian Gonzalez, and a lot of Ichiro, and way less Pedro Feliz. They could call it the Supermajor League. Or the Brigadier League. They could wear awesome tricorne hats.
- Last night, Lenny Wilkens came up to the booth and talked to Dave Sims for half an inning. Tonight, Nicholas Turturro came up to the booth with his kid and talked to Dave Sims for half an inning. I have nothing against Lenny Wilkens or whoever Nicholas Turturro is, but I didn't realize Bring Your Friends To Work Day was two days long. Nor did I realize it exists.
- I wonder if Jose Lopez even bothers running when he hits a fly ball to right or center field. He probably shouldn't.
- Speaking of Jose Lopez, he's now gone two weeks since drawing his last walk, and his walk rate is right on his career average at 3.4%. Setting goals is only good when you have any intent of following through with them. This one sounded crazy from the beginning. It's now officially a punchline.
- Since with some people we have no choice but to celebrate the little things, Casey Kotchman did a fine job in the fourth inning of reaching out and poking an outside changeup over Castro's head and into left field for an RBI single. That low and away change is a pitch that a lot of guys pound into the ground, but Kotchman of all people managed to get it some lift. It was hardly an impressive swing of the bat, but with the bases loaded and only one down, it could've gone a lot worse.
- A Michael Saunders comparison:
Year BB% K% Contact% BA OPS 2009 4.7% 31.0% 72.5% 0.221 0.537 2010 8.2% 28.9% 73.3% 0.225 0.727
Saunders' approach isn't visibly much better. He's still swinging through a lot of pitches. He still isn't showing much of an eye, as despite the higher walk rate, he's chased more balls out of the zone. But look at those last two columns. In 2010, the power has shown up. He's already got nine extra-base hits and five homers, to last year's four and zero, and the result is that he's actually been a halfway productive hitter.
Tonight, Saunders drew a four-pitch walk with the bases loaded, ripped a high-inside fastball from Randy Wells into right for a double, and then in the eighth, in what must have been a huge confidence boost, he got under an 0-1 curve from southpaw Sean Marshall and drilled it just over the fence in right-center. It was definitely more fly ball than line drive. It was Saunders' first career Major League home run against a lefty, and Marshall's not a bad lefty.
Saunders hasn't been the picture of consistency, and he may always be streaky, but he's now one back of the team lead in home runs despite having taken just 97 trips to the plate. It's great to see him bounce back after what last season must've done to his psyche. Though he's not all the way there, it is definitely far, far easier to see Saunders as a long-term everyday player now than it was last September. He's taken steps forward, and with one or two more, he will have arrived. I guess this means it's time to trade him for Paul Spoljaric.
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Batting Saunders 9th continues to make less and less sense.
I’m beginning to think that he might even be the team’s best option for cleanup.
by I Lick Squirrels on Jun 24, 2010 1:29 AM PDT reply actions
I was thinking the exact same thing after the game
would at least like to see him there once this season
Kudos for working in the Spoljaric reference.
Now you gotta get Eric Gunderson in somehow.
Oh god, Not Paul Spoljaric
Or Mike Timlin. I remember how awesome Jose Cruz Jr was (or at least i thought so) then they pulled him from a game in Milwaukee and announced he was traded. Man i was pissed.
That trade hurt more than the Randy or Griffey trades.
I can’t explain why, but as a young ‘un, that trade pissed me off more than any other trade the M’s have ever made.
by Fuckmikereilly on Jun 24, 2010 2:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Woody did not deserve to be fired for making that trade
He deserved to be drawn and quartered, especially considering he made the Lowe/Varitek for Slocumb deal the same day.
Ahh!!! That Slocumb trade still makes me so mad!
It still haunts me…
I felt the same way.
Probably because Cruz was the first prospect I paid attention to and was quickly one of my favorite players.
by Hopefulmsfan on Jun 24, 2010 4:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Same here.
I remember that felt like a kick in the balls.
"Because 100 luftballoons would be far too many"
This brings me back to the comment a couple days ago when Tommy Everidge was traded.
“You don’t trade Roy Oswalt for Tommy Everidge”
That was pretty fuckin’ close. Trading the #12 prospect in baseball who was 1.5 WAR through 200 PA’s for that.
by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 24, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah Cruz was the first time I got upset about a prospect being traded
I remember going through my Stats Inc Alamanacs trying to figure out why we went after Spoljaric and Hurtado.
[DELETED ZOMG NO POLITICS]
Me too! That trade gutted me.
I was obsessed with Jose Cruz Jr.
by seattlesundevil on Jun 24, 2010 7:14 AM PDT up reply actions
That was Darren Bragg for me as a wee lad.
Luckily I was just young and retarded.
by BrettJMiller on Jun 24, 2010 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Darren Bragg was my favorite player
but I think I understood that he sucked.
by Fuckmikereilly on Jun 24, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
And we got an injury prone ace.
My primary point though was that Jones is reminding me a lot of Cruz Jr as far as the hype he had coming up, the bitter disappointment fans felt when he was traded, and the resulting player he became.
Before Jose Cruz Jr. there was Danny Tartabull.
I only hope we keep Z around for the next ten years. Otherwise I worry what terrible trade will define the next decade.
No matter where you go, there you are.
I don't normally make comments about specific game notes, but I will here.
Dick Wolf is writing a Law & Order: SVU episode about Starlin Castro’s self-confidence.
This is fucking brilliant.
They could call it the Supermajor League.
They have this. It’s called half the AL East.
I Alt-3 everything you do, Jeff.
...and now I'm here
by CapSea on Jun 24, 2010 1:57 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I was just thinking about this Supermajor League.
And how little the roster would look like the All Star game. MLB fans are really stupid.
Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines
by the other side on Jun 24, 2010 3:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah. The All-Star game is a popularity contest.
I hope that nobody who gets snubbed (colby rasmus) takes it personally.
Don't forget...
Mike Timlin… with a trade of Adam Moore and Luke French for Heathcliff Slocumb to follow. Except, those moves actually “won” the Mariners a division title. These moves would just piss Mariners fans off.
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Keep Lee and give him his 1 billion
The thing is, Lee is a joy to watch, and you know you are going to get a well-pitched game with Lee on the mound. We have no idea what we’ll get for him.
Lee is instant good. It’s almost painful to think of the process of waiting to see if what we get pans out.
The irrational part of my brain is slowly starting to take over the rational part of my brain
Telling me things like the Mariners won’t find a suitable enough return at the deadline to justify moving Lee and that he’ll end up pitching the rest of the season in Seattle and then sign a long-term deal with the club because he’s a frequent reader of LL and realizes how much he means to this team and its fans.
At that point I go back to lying down on the couch, put some lipstick on, and listen to ELO’s “Telephone Line”.
by ThomasG on Jun 24, 2010 5:22 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Lopez?
Why not bench him, move figgy to 3rd, josh to 2nd, and bat Saunders 4th? Lopez is useless, and is not tradeable. Make him the utility guy.
(Then sign Lee to a 5 year contract…)
by New England Fan on Jun 24, 2010 5:51 AM PDT reply actions
It's hard to care about the team's long term success after starts like that
Fuck 2012. I want to watch Lee mow down the Yankees on the 29th. I want to watch him for the rest of the season.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 24, 2010 7:02 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I know people don't like speculation like this
But trading Lee to Texas makes a ton of sense to me for the following reasons:
1) Texas has a ton of good prospects that we could use.
2) Cliff Lee would improve the odds of the Angels not making the playoffs.
3) We might still get to see Cliff Lee once or twice in Seattle before Seasons end.
Makes a lot of sense
but I don’t see Texas giving us the kind of prospects Lee is worth. It’s have to start with Perez and build up from there.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 24, 2010 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions
But I think Jack definitely is hoping Texas gets heavily involved and wins.
Hard to imagine it working though.
by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 24, 2010 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Texas needs to get their ownership situation straightened out before they worry about getting Lee.
No matter where you go, there you are.
It's pretty much straightened out already
The creditors aren’t likely to succeed in challenging the sale now that MLB has stepped in.
The question is when this gets settled
These things generally don’t happen very fast, and the deadline is rapidly approaching. And Lee isn’t lasting until the deadline.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 24, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Will that really stop them from pursuing him in the meantime, though?
Since this wouldn’t be so much a question of finances
Wouldn't it?
He’s still due nearly $5m. I suppose the M’s could always eat some of the money to get a better return.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 24, 2010 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions
This is why I think JD won't give up the kind of prospects it would take to get Lee
We’d have to cover his salary which basically means one more player. On top of what already needs to be an awesome package.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 24, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I think it would.
Maybe I’m not understanding the process here, but if MLB swoops in and seizes the team leaving the investors out cold, wouldn’t the Rangers then become a ward of MLB until such time as they turn around and sell the team (presumably to the Ryan/Greenburg group)? Would MLB owners (who already have extended credit to the Rangers) really want to bankroll an increase in payroll for them?
Plus, if as Jeff suggests the M’s eat payroll to make it happen, wouldn’t that make the asking price for Lee too high? The Mariners would need something pretty substantial back from the Rangers in the first place just to satisfy the fanbase after trading him to a division rival. If they ate money off a reasonable contract wouldn’t that add even more to what the Rangers would have to cough up?
No matter where you go, there you are.
It depends on what they're willing to do, which we really don't know
If they figure this is their year and want a deep playoff run to welcome in the new ownership, maybe eating Lee’s salary would be enough to pry one of their better pitching prospects from them. This is all just speculation of course, but if they really wanted to get a deal done it’s not like they couldn’t figure out a way to do it even with the sale still pending.
I don't totally discount the idea of a trade with Texas.
I just think that Texas would really need to blow Z out of the water if he ate salary. If Z trades him in the division there would most likely be a premium asked for in return and to eat salary on top of that would require a huge return. I’m not against that scenerio, but the situation with ownership and the idea of trading Lee within the AL West really stack the deck against a deal.
No matter where you go, there you are.
I wonder if we could snag Feliz in the deal, as well as steal all their young talent.
Maybe cripple their divisional chances for the next couple seasons.
Milton Bradley apologist
by sanford_and_son on Jun 24, 2010 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Is there any reason we wouldn't try to resign Lee in the offseason even after trading him?
(Other then payroll constraints) He’s not going to sign a extension with whoever he is traded to.
It's probably not a good idea to sign him in the offseason
hard as it may be to believe right now. We’re not a team that can easily absorb that kind of contract.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 24, 2010 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Also of note: The M's are the 14th team in history to allow 1 run or less for 6 straight games.
If Felix and Co. (hopefully no Co., just Felix) allows 1 run or less, only two teams have ever done that.
Felix Day has become the Boxing Day to Cliff Lee's Christmas.
by katal on Jun 24, 2010 8:29 AM PDT reply actions 11 recs
I'm uncomfortable with this analogy!
Boo!
Milton Bradley apologist
by sanford_and_son on Jun 24, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Be-LEE Big!
-2010 Mariners!
I fucking hate you Mariners
by kentroyals5 on Jun 24, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I was smiling while reading this post until the very last sentence.
The Spoljaric related hatred still runs deep within me.
"Abtholoootleee"

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