6/20: Open Game Thread
by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 20, 2010 12:32 PM PDT
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So Jack Wilson's back, at the expense of Matt Tuiasosopo. Exchanging Matt Tuiasosopo for Jack Wilson is one of the only ways to get excited about Jack Wilson.
Also, Ian Snell cleared waivers and will go to Tacoma. I thought he might get some attention on account of his lively arm, but the more I considered it, the more I realized there wouldn't be a point in claiming him, since he's both bad now and a free agent come the offseason. He's not even an interesting reclamation project anymore.
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Bad photo or just an ugly dude?
I’m not sure…
Reds fans call him Harangutan
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 20, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Did you guys forget
That hyphen is on the mound? Him and all of his zero wins on the year?
Its cool we're playing an NL team
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 20, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
The National League plays baseball at a level of high quality
the Reds have one of the better records. Victory will not be easy.
Whatever man its like playing a AA team
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 20, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
In Japan
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 20, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Baseball's a funny game.
There’s always a chance “the other team” could surprise! I’d stayed tuned this afternoon, Robert, just in case! =)
Fuck that shit.
The Mariners are ALMOST as boring as soccer right now
by Robert on Jun 20, 2010 1:08 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Hyphen appears
smugly satisfied that he doesn’t look anything like Aaron Harang.
Joe Saunders
makes me happy
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 20, 2010 12:46 PM PDT reply actions
It's been around for years
and is excellent Poochie bait
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 20, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I wholeheartedly agree
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 20, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Color me dumb-how long has Jeff been doing interesting little diddys on the pre-game show?
I learned all about ulnar collateral ligaments and upper limits of pitching speed today-neat.
What
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 20, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Please elaborate. I don't listen to the pregame show
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 20, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
What's so scientific about it?
It’s just a game with a bat, ball, glove, and bases.
Pavano has a creepy mustache.
I wish I didn’t have to look at it crossing the MLB.com homepage just to get to Gameday.
You have to wonder if RRS will give us another Jeff Weaver start or not.
2010 Safeco Field Record: 0-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 10-4
Dave: RRS was pissed after his last start.
Blowers: Well, he’ll just have to pitch better.
Dave swore?
I didn’t think the old man had it in him. Then again, he is old and probably close to death
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
by beastwarking on Jun 20, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Children in Hungary check under their beds for Aaron Harang.
by abender20 on Jun 20, 2010 1:12 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
Yeah for sure
And what’s with the hole in his crotch.
It is a pretty sad thing when our season has been reduced to celebrating small victories such as this.
But I found myself doing the exact same thing I can’t blame you.
At what point do we start to abandon the idea of Milton Bradley on this team next year?
I’m not nearly at that point, but if he continues to struggle, I can’t see us retaining him at DH.
He's had hardly any at bats and just now has gotten going
I don’t see him being removed unless he hits like Kotchman or has an incident
Any chance Snell could turn into an effective reliever?
I know it didn’t happen this year, but it’s hardly a radical idea and Seattle is hurting for relief arms.
It doesn't matter anyway.
We’re not going to pick up his $7 mil option for next year. He’ll be an FA at the end of this year then.
I like the idea of never seeing him again
Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.
I guess that settles it.
Free agency will likely price Seattle out of it, even if he’s worth next to nothing. Too bad.
Huh. Seems like the natural force of free agency punishes the highest bidder, even if we're only talking a few hundred thousand this way or that.
Then, I am not that versed in just how bad Snell is.
Since the trade he's walked more than he struck out
He’s as bad as he’s ever been after looking like he was fixed at AA
Commercials on MLB.TV annoy me.
If you’re going to show me commercials, at least show me the normal Seattle ones. I couldn’t care less about this Yahoo crap.
Right now I'm dreaming of Carl Crawford. Maybe next year...(or this year at the trade deadline)...
.337/.373 /.529
He doesn’t miss us :(
Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.
That... is cold comfort. He's got a .369 wOBA in Fenway.
Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.
He's already surpassed the WAR he put up with us 3 of the 5 seasons he was here.
by Fuckmikereilly on Jun 20, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
It's mostly mixed feelings
Everybody is waiting for the other shoe to drop and for him to revert back to his 2009 season. A lot of “yeah, he’s doing well but you know he’s just going to suck something fierce come the second half.”
God, I hate Sox fans.
At the game
Just saw Joey Votto screaming at Baker in the dugout. Punches might have been thrown
by Robert on Jun 20, 2010 1:36 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Glad to see Baker's not only ruining the arms of young pitchers these days.
See, he can change with the times.
Screw you Bikini 101.
Right now I'm dreaming of Carl Crawford. Maybe next year...(or this year at the trade deadline)...
100 Years is correct.
Right now I'm dreaming of Carl Crawford. Maybe next year...(or this year at the trade deadline)...
I've grown to appreciate Blowers.
He’s dry and can be redundant, but he doesn’t talk out of his ass for the most part, and gets along with the Dave’s really well.
Plus that called Tui homer was pretty cool
And I’m sure it isn’t but it seems like that was the last time Tui did anything good.
I hope the M's kill Silva.
Literally kill him.
Right now I'm dreaming of Carl Crawford. Maybe next year...(or this year at the trade deadline)...
It took about 6 people and they barely got him.
by Fuckmikereilly on Jun 20, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
There were like 6 guys around first.
Right now I'm dreaming of Carl Crawford. Maybe next year...(or this year at the trade deadline)...
Kids playing T-Ball...
are laughting at how poorly executed that was.
Yeah
At first I thought Carp was safe. Further review shows that the ump made the correct (and good) call
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
by beastwarking on Jun 20, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I can think of at least 2 times off the top of my head.
by Fuckmikereilly on Jun 20, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Your memory is better then mine...
but I’ve also purposely been avoiding his starts this year to keep my sanity.
If............................. The Cardinals actually offered Pujols for Ichiro......
Who here would accept?
*Rolls up paper*
No…. No…
Bad!
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
by beastwarking on Jun 20, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
The real question is...Would Ichiro accept a move to St.Louis?
Right now I'm dreaming of Carl Crawford. Maybe next year...(or this year at the trade deadline)...
Why?
And the Cardinals aren’t trading him anyways.
by Aaron Campeau on Jun 20, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok, then I should have said we should give an arm and a leg.
But obviously we don’t have enough money.
Worst 4 All-Star team ever?
Ichiro, Cliff, Felix, Fister
by Maury Povich on Jun 20, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Cliff shouldn't be here at that point
and I’m not sure Felix deserves to go.
by Fuckmikereilly on Jun 20, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
It's a couple of weeks before the deadline, Cliff could very well still be here.
by drblacknwhite on Jun 20, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Felix has 12 Quality starts and leads the AL in IP
by Maury Povich on Jun 20, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Both of those stats could not be less meaningful
Livan Hernandez lead the majors in IP like 10 years in a row.
by Fuckmikereilly on Jun 20, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I know there are better stats out there but...
How are quality starts not meaningful?
by Maury Povich on Jun 20, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Replace or add Guti
maybe even a five all star team. Haha we suck
Umm..
Of course Ichiro will be there. Cliff hasn’t played enough. Felix hasn’t been quite good enough to be an All-star. Fister won’t be in the AS game, not well known enough.
....
Felix is second in the league in strikeouts, 17th in ERA, 10th in FIP, and 6th in xFIP. By what metric has he not been good enough? Cliff Lee is 44th in the league in innings pitched and will probably move up into the top 30 or so by the All Star break.
It'll probably only be Ichiro and Cliff, though Felix may have a chance (albeit it a small one).
Right now I'm dreaming of Carl Crawford. Maybe next year...(or this year at the trade deadline)...
I've got an All-Star game question, who do you have as the starting pitcher for the AL?
NL you have to go Ubaldo, but the AL is much more open.
Right now I'm dreaming of Carl Crawford. Maybe next year...(or this year at the trade deadline)...
Hughes has struggled as of late, I could see Price though.
Right now I'm dreaming of Carl Crawford. Maybe next year...(or this year at the trade deadline)...
to pull - tirar
Right now I'm dreaming of Carl Crawford. Maybe next year...(or this year at the trade deadline)...
Great, we got a run, thats ballgame!
Oh wait, it’s not Lee or Felix ont he mound. Nevermind.
This game is boring.
I mean, I am thankful for RRS pitching a half way decent game but still. DO SOMETHING
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
6 with Bedard!
Right now I'm dreaming of Carl Crawford. Maybe next year...(or this year at the trade deadline)...
7 with French!
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
by beastwarking on Jun 20, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
8 with Snell!
Wait…
Right now I'm dreaming of Carl Crawford. Maybe next year...(or this year at the trade deadline)...
Woulda been nice to happen earlier
When we still had a shot.
This is a masterpiece.
Dusty Baker teaches hitting.
Griffey!
by Big Jared on Jun 20, 2010 2:47 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Is there a similar one for pitching?
Where if you are a young arm, the end result is always leaving you out on the mound?
by Maury Povich on Jun 20, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, that one has a sidebar
Repeat over and over again until career is ruined.
RRS!
Right now I'm dreaming of Carl Crawford. Maybe next year...(or this year at the trade deadline)...
Boom goes my dynamite
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
After the game everybody go congratulate him on twitter.
Right now I'm dreaming of Carl Crawford. Maybe next year...(or this year at the trade deadline)...
Hyphen is back, fuckers!*
*This is far too small a sample size to actually say this.
RRS got pretty amped for that strike out.
I support that.
Milton Bradley apologist
by sanford_and_son on Jun 20, 2010 2:54 PM PDT reply actions
You know....
If any team was ever going to go on an insane streak of winning/luck, it would be this team after what happened the first 2 months.
It would be this team.
When it is completely meaningless. >:(
Process!
- Mariners go on big winning streak.
- Cliff Lee is credited with said winning streak.
- Other GMs see how valuable Cliff Lee is to team.
- Zduriencik states case that our team is winning because of Lee and it would be awfully difficult to trade him.
- GM offers nice haul for Cliff Lee.
Trade value improved!
That wasn't even a Jose Lopez that got the PED suspension.
It was Jose Mendoza.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jun 20, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I would say that Wak has been contaminated by Dusty Baker's presence...
but I’ve been thinking Wak’s bullpen management has been shitty all year.
Complete game!
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jun 20, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Got to save the bullpen.
They have worked 1 1/3 inning in the last 5 days and have only tomorrow off before the next series.
I can't fault him for letting RRS go back out there with a shutout.
These games aren’t important and he needs to regain some confidence.
by Aaron Campeau on Jun 20, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I wasn't necessarily faulting Wak
It was probably the right decision because RRS really wants to go deep into ballgames.
That being said, he was noticeably tiring and I could just see this coming.
by Fuckmikereilly on Jun 20, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I know.
He’s so bad.
Look at a strike zone plot.
He was all over the edge of the zone. A lot of those were 50/50 calls. Even those last two walks were questionable.* Was he brilliant? No. But he really wasn’t bad. He was actually pretty good.
*Not wrong. Questionable.
4.13 game FIP versus 6.14 on the season.
5.57 game tRA versus 7.51 on the season. This was not horrendous. Not even close.
Let me put it this way:
Among SP with 50+ IP (Hyphen falls into this category), a 4.13 FIP is almost exactly league average and is below the league median. This is a good start from a #5 pitcher who was getting squeezed.
Win vulture also implies that we can score enough runs to come back.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jun 20, 2010 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
According to Geoff Baker, Bill Bavasi is in the press box.
Right now I'm dreaming of Carl Crawford. Maybe next year...(or this year at the trade deadline)...
Nasty strike 3 right there.
Milton Bradley apologist
by sanford_and_son on Jun 20, 2010 3:13 PM PDT reply actions
YES! LEAGUE!
Right now I'm dreaming of Carl Crawford. Maybe next year...(or this year at the trade deadline)...
Hell, it looked like Alfonso got into it more than League.
Right now I'm dreaming of Carl Crawford. Maybe next year...(or this year at the trade deadline)...
YAY LEAGUE!
Mr. League if you nasty.
Milton Bradley apologist
by sanford_and_son on Jun 20, 2010 3:18 PM PDT reply actions
It's the fact that practically everything we wanted this season to be has materialized in one 3 game series
But it’s too late
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by Griffin Cooper on Jun 20, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
We're exposing the Reds as overperforming
And ourselves are under-performing…
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Good god it was stupid to leave RRS in for the 7th.
He was gassed and was totally pumped about the K to end the 6th. Now he’s gonna be pissed with himself until his next start.
Yeah it was so stupid he gave up no runs today
About fucking time.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Splittergasm!
You can't be a catcher if you can't catch. Rob Johnson will henceforth be listed as a traffic cone on the roster.
That puts a disturbing image in my head.
Milton Bradley apologist
by sanford_and_son on Jun 20, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Good lord League is killin' it.
Milton Bradley apologist
by sanford_and_son on Jun 20, 2010 3:29 PM PDT reply actions
Did anyone mention that it's not Rob behind the plate tonight?
Coincidence????
You can't be a catcher if you can't catch. Rob Johnson will henceforth be listed as a traffic cone on the roster.
Uh yeah
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by Griffin Cooper on Jun 20, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
We can depend on DA, just not with a one-run lead.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jun 20, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Arthur Lee Rhodes, baby!
Still rockin’ those diamond stud earrings, love it.
Milton Bradley apologist
by sanford_and_son on Jun 20, 2010 3:37 PM PDT reply actions
Upon further review, you are correct.
Still, dude’s a baller.
Milton Bradley apologist
by sanford_and_son on Jun 20, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
In 2001 I seriously considered getting earrings like that.
They would have been cubic zirconia in my case however.
by Aaron Campeau on Jun 20, 2010 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
And the worrying begins.
Right now I'm dreaming of Carl Crawford. Maybe next year...(or this year at the trade deadline)...
The nice thing about still being below the Tropic is that my blood pressure sees no change during an Aardsma appearance.
by harkening on Jun 20, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm right around the tropic. Even though I know the season is over,
this last series has gotten me back to around the line.
Right now I'm dreaming of Carl Crawford. Maybe next year...(or this year at the trade deadline)...
I almost wish I could get excited for this.
That pitch was nasty.
Case Closed!
Right now I'm dreaming of Carl Crawford. Maybe next year...(or this year at the trade deadline)...
What the fuck just happened.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
Question:
So is beating the best offense in the NL like beating the Astros?
We knew that
It was going to have to be small ball if we were going to win.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
In a weird way I'm more impressed by this squeezing a victory out of a RRS start than the wins by Lee and Felix.
Could have used more games like this back in April and May.
Milton Bradley apologist
by sanford_and_son on Jun 20, 2010 3:49 PM PDT reply actions
Not to take away from Lee and Felix's brilliance.
Milton Bradley apologist
by sanford_and_son on Jun 20, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm convinced this team hasn't given up on this year
At least not yet.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
But you watch! The whole Rangers team will be charged with gambling, dropping them down to 4th place.
We will rise! Unrealistic optimism, for the win!
Not to encourage such thinking, but
the ’95 Mariners were 13 back on August 2
The '95 Mariners weren't ever 16 games under .500.
by eponymous_coward on Jun 20, 2010 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
The point is that this team sucks and that one didn't.
Also the Mariners have to leapfrog three teams. The Rangers, Angels and A’s all have to fall apart.
by Aaron Campeau on Jun 20, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm sure this won't be read, but
Since when does this team officially suck. Before the season we were all saying this was an 85ish win team, since then we’ve mostly had a lot of bad luck and under performance. Since the beginning of June, Bradley, Lopez, and Figgins are playing more like they did last year (which was all we expected of them) Cliff Lee, Doug Fister, and Jason Vargas have all been better than expected, and Felix has rounded into shape. The only real crap showings has come from Casey Kotchman, who’s fairly easy to replace. Once again, I’m not saying we’re going to do it, or even that it’s close to likely, just not impossible and that it’s OK to have hope.
by Malcontent1 on Jun 20, 2010 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I lost my virginity to Hope. Awesome.
Yes, it’s ok to have Hope.
by TrustBaseball on Jun 20, 2010 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
It's also not impossible for a meteor to strike Yankee Stadium.
I’ve hoped for this to happen for many years, preferably during a Yankees-Red Sox game.
Also, playing like an 85 win team the rest of the way doesn’t even get us to .500. At this point, they have to play like a 100 win team the rest of the way to get to 85 wins. The Mariners aren’t that good.
by eponymous_coward on Jun 21, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
If only we could add Griffey circa 1995 to this roster.
Damn.
by Fuckmikereilly on Jun 20, 2010 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Not to beat a dead horse
but Luke Scott could put up a batting line as good as Griffey did in September of that year, and if we got him now, he’d make a bigger difference.
by Malcontent1 on Jun 20, 2010 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd like to see us get to .500
Worrying about the playoffs before that point is stupid- let’s worry about the necessary and sufficient condition first.
by eponymous_coward on Jun 20, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Keep the good times rolling this week
Take the series against Lou and co.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Pineda's on his way up to Tacoma tomorrow.
Anyone planning on heading there to see him pitch?
Aw man, it coincides with the Aquasox home opener.
As little as I care about this ‘Sox team right now, I can’t miss that.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jun 20, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Right.
He just started on Friday, so we’re looking at probably Wednesday.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jun 20, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
From the Ms Twitter:
#Mariners allow 1 run or less in 4 straight games, tied for 2nd in franchise history.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Who's pitching against Milwaukee?
French, Vargas and Lee?
I hope this is correct, I'll be at Miller Park on Friday and Saturday.
I’d be syked to see Fister’s return and then Vargas…..and not RRS.
Milton Bradley apologist
by sanford_and_son on Jun 20, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Kotchman, so dismissive about his record breaking streak....
Dude knows he sucks.
Milton Bradley apologist
by sanford_and_son on Jun 20, 2010 4:14 PM PDT reply actions
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