Michael Pineda Keeps Putting Up Numbers
Jeff's post about IFA Luis Heredia is below this and still fresh.
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Michael Pineda first caught our attention in 2008 when he carved up the Midwest League and out-pitched his higher profile rotation-mates. He picked up right where he left off in 2009 in a much tougher pitching environment with High Desert, but had his breakout spoiled by a pair of DL stints that ate up most of his regular season before he came back strong in the California League playoffs.
Coming into 2010 the feeling was that Pineda could emerge as one of the best starting pitching prospects in all of baseball if he could show that last season's elbow problems were not to be a reoccuring problem. From what I can gather around the 'net, it's not just Mariner fans who want to put him in that group of elite starting pitching prospects but are reluctant due to his abbreviated 2009.
Pineda is doing what he can. Through 10 starts this season he has already surpassed his 2009 regular season workload by 13 innings all while increasing his fastball velocity to the 93-95 range-- topping out in the high 90s-- and continuing his assault on minor league hitters.
57.1 IP, 63 K, 14 BB, 2.21 FIP
He's had some favorable luck, including a tiny HR/BIA rate and high strand rate, but that doesn't take away a whole lot. He's been extremely good.
There is some nitpicking we could do. He is looking less and less like a groundball pitcher nowadays and has been more or less neutral this season. And his walk rate has taken a small jump from last year with the added velocity, probably a product of him pitching closer to max effort this year (according to a scouting report). He has good enough control that we're okay with that trade-off, however.
The drawback to Pineda's game that I would first point out, however-- outside of the 2009 injuries, of course-- would be his changeup usage. Pineda's changeup has flashed as a good pitch at times, but according to scouting reports he hasn't been using it nearly as often as he should this season. I don't necessarily blame him because he is showing that he can put up good numbers without it, but the splits show that he could use a little help versus lefties. He actually has a higher K-rate against lefties, but when they hit him they hit him hard as evidenced by their LD%, number of extra base hits and super high BABIP against him. Pineda needs to start throwing his changeup more so he gets comfortable with it.
But overall this has been a very good bounce back year for Pineda so far. He's 6th among Southern League starting pitchers in K/9, 10th in BB/9 and 5th in ERA all while being the youngest starter in the league. (edit: second youngest)
Pineda continues to fly under the radar nationally-- not necessarily unnoticed but certainly un-hyped. He's capable of becoming a top starting pitching prospect nationally however as long as he can stay healthy and stay the course. If he were playing under the Yankees, Red Sox or Phillies banner you know the entire country would know his name by now.
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Excluding Ackley, I'm more excited for Pineda than any other prospect in the system.
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Ackley, Pineda, and Franklin are the ones I'm excited about.
I feel pretty strongly that all three of those kids are going to make it and be impact players for us.
I also think guys like Raben, Poythress, and Seager will have roles on this team in the near future, and will be guys we enjoy having on the team.
Some props to Erasmo Ramirez too?
He’s the youngest pitcher on the team (not sure about the league) and though he’s not a big strikeout guy, he’s walked TWO batters.
by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 2, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
He's losing groundballs :(
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jun 2, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I find it interesting that in his worst start of the year
His gb/fb ratio was 10:1.
Erasmo is a guy that since I started following him last year, hasn’t sucked at all yet. It’s like Nick Franklin, at some point he’ll struggle and then we’ll be like “oh the struggles of Nick Franklin right now!” and we’ll perhaps remember that time that Nick Franklin struggled and it will sit in our minds that yes, this player, like all players, will struggle.
But as of now, Erasmo has never struggled so he’s still a newborn baby with that newborn babyface of his and has not yet stayed out past his curfew, come home drunk, or gotten his girlfriend pregnant. Same with Nick. So right now, we are just enamored with them.
At least I am.
Same goes for Pineda, since I started following him personally, he’s been nothing but sunshine and rainbows.
This is why I kinda love minor leagues more than major leagues sometimes. Prospects.
by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 2, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
You're going to get your heart broken at some point, dude.
No, Franklin has already struggled and readjusted and now I think he’s doing all right. I think Peguero is actually readjusting now too, so that’s good news.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jun 2, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I have my prospect heart broken several times per year when something is exposed that I don't like.
Following prospects is love/hate for me. Sometimes I wish I didn’t get attached to them.
it's a rough gig, but sometimes they surprise you.
Like Liddi!
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jun 2, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I know you aren't
but I like that he’s become more than a scouting curiosity borne of the M’s weird fascination with Italian players.
Maybe it’s because we’re own by Nintendo.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jun 2, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
*owned
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jun 2, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I looked at Franklins last 10 games on his milb page, expecting to see him not doing as well
But he was doing better than his overall line, as you said.
I don’t expect him to ever be a power guy, but so far his “bad” times have been a lot shorter lived than his good times. So my heart hasn’t been broken for Franklin yet.
I don’t expect it to be broken for Pineda until he reaches the majors, I don’t think he will struggle before that. I think Erasmo will dominate at Clinton, but will hold my breath for High Desert and beyond.
by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 2, 2010 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Pretty safe bets all around.
I tend to bank on fringier types.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jun 3, 2010 2:40 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think his strand rate is really worth calling lucky.
It’s high, at 77%, but that’s in line with what high strikeout pitchers can routinely get to and Pineda certainly qualifies.
Tacoma bound???
Pineda seems destined for Tacoma, along with Robles and Hensley possibly. What about Ackley Jon?? The guy has been consistently an OBP machine the last month+. Today he was 3 for 3, with a 2B and a BB. I think if he starts hitting for more power (definitely needs to get stronger) he’s a star in the making.
What other pitches
does he have, and what’s the consensus on their quality?
Fastball that bores in on RHH
Slider that has flashed as an out pitch but that he still has trouble staying on top of consistently, and the change.
40 seconds to throw one pitch.
It’s the Yankees/Red Sox all over again.
Pineda should be a top-50 prospect nationally next season
Knock on wood.
His numbers are extremely impressive, and if the biggest knock on him is that he has a good pitch that he’s just not throwing enough, that’s one hell of a not-too-bad knock.
Pineda is the second youngest pitcher in the league.
Robles is the youngest :D
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
He's freaking gigantic
When signed he was rail thin, and now he’s an ox. Hopefully it helps him.
I still wonder if part of his elbow/assorted injuries were the result of him growing several inches and adding about a Figgins of weight.
Any chance we're going to see him up in Seattle in September?
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?
My opinion
Not likely is what you’ll hear from the guys, because of his injuries last year – he needs to work up his innings in the minors first. Tacoma, yes.
by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 2, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think we have a real good idea how Zduriencik/McNamara are going to handle top young pitchers yet.
But they’ll probably be happy to shut him down come September.
How about Hensley?
Is his GB rate for real? Looks like he might be pitching over his head a bit right now.
I know Jay likes him. I think he said his change was the best in system.
I would imagine he’s still behind Pineda, Robles, and maybe Cleto in the system right now, but its good to get that depth.
by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 2, 2010 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Doug Fister has given me hope for all of our prospects.
Which isnt fair to them or Fister, but screw it.
by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 2, 2010 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Slider is best.
Change is almost always a left-hander.
Hensley is probably a mid-to-back-end. A good one though.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jun 3, 2010 2:41 AM PDT up reply actions

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