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So Long, Alan Cockrell

This'll make a difference. Gone is the guy with two hits in eight Major League at bats. Up is Alonzo Powell, who had 32 hits in 152 Major League at bats. That's 16 times more hits, meaning Powell should do 16 times as much nothing.

Clearly, this team is rife with offensive disappointments. The only player - the only player - who's performed up to expectations has been Franklin Gutierrez. Every single other player has sucked, and guys like Chone Figgins and Milton Bradley have had a world of trouble even making contact. There's something wrong with us. But to take it out on the hitting coach...many of these guys are these are veterans. Veterans who've been hitting for a while. Me, I've never played in the Major Leagues, but I find it hard to believe that Alan Cockrell is the reason why Chone Figgins is still hitting .200. Maybe the organization lacked confidence in Cockrell's ability to turn these guys' seasons around, and that's fine, but is Alonzo Powell going to be much better? If so, explain how.

I guess I just don't like it when coaches pay the price for the players' failure. I know the team can't just up and cut Figgins or Lopez for underperforming, but you could at least, I dunno, tape them to a tree for a while or something. Better than taking away a guy's job when he probably has less to do with this slump than anyone.

Do you think they asked Junior if he wanted the job? Do you think they thought about it?

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We you can't fire the players fire the coach

Never liked this train of thought….

JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook

by laxtonto on May 9, 2010 11:12 AM PDT reply actions  

We should've hired Mark McGwire

Cause you know dingers…

You got slurved!

by Slurvey on May 9, 2010 11:13 AM PDT reply actions  

Well, at least its something.

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by skywaker9 on May 9, 2010 11:15 AM PDT reply actions  

Indeed

Problem is old decaying hitters in too many places.

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by skywaker9 on May 9, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes Minister

“We must do something. This is something. Therefore we must do it.”

by Christoph on May 9, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Fuck this

This team doesn’t seem like it is serious about winning. I can’t believe people this smart are allowing themselves to implement Bavasi style roster management.

by Poochie on May 9, 2010 11:16 AM PDT reply actions   6 recs

They are seroius about winning

Problem is that doesn’t’ mean you’ll win.

Until they rid themselves of Rob Johnson and Mike Sweeney, they will not win.

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by skywaker9 on May 9, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nah.

The only really “WTF” is the Griffey/Sweeney axis, and ONE of them would be fine on the bench.

Most other stuff is Wak’s usage patterns, and they are irritating but not deadly stupid. Sean White might not be very good, but he’s better than Rick White.

by eponymous_coward on May 9, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

You're nuts.

This is the worst bench I have even seen in my life on any major league team. No exaggeration.

by Poochie on May 9, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

One could say roughly the same for most of the M's teams in the past five years or so.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on May 9, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

That was about it?

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on May 9, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't even understand our team right now

Who is our bench? I just would like to know what’s going on

by Dewey N on May 9, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

So, to recap...

we have one supposed extra outfielder who can play each position plus first (Langerhans), a utility infielder that is incapable of hitting (Josh Wilson), a catcher who sort of can’t but is still better than that other guy (Moore), and pick your poison (Griffey/Sweeney). Saunders, I don’t know, I’d like to think he’s starting…

Basically no one on our bench can hit and only some of them can play positions on the field.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on May 9, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Outfield Glacier?*

He’s hitting .308/.386/.564 right now, but he was injured earlier so he’s only played in eleven games so far. I’d be amenable to it.

  • I’ve heard he is no longer The Outfield Golem as golems move faster.

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by JY on May 9, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

HE "PLAYS" OUTFIELD? THATS ADORABLE

I want to be a hippie, but I forgot how to love.

by BRKLN M'S on May 9, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Brad Nelson played two games at third last season.

Range Factor: 0.50.

(In seventeen games the previous season, 2.06)

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by JY on May 9, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

THIS IS SO BAD

I want to be a hippie, but I forgot how to love.

by BRKLN M'S on May 9, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Most the season we were carrying Tui, Byrnes, Sweeney, and Moore

That’s one backup middle infielder that can’t remotely handle shortstop, and provides zero bat, a DH who can’t hit, a leftfielder, and a catcher, zero lefties/switch hitters

by Poochie on May 9, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hannahan is playing second now.

That’s something.

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by JY on May 9, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

WOOOOOOOO

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by JY on May 9, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

WHERE IS THE ACKLEY

I want to be a hippie, but I forgot how to love.

by BRKLN M'S on May 9, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

IN WEST TENN.

HITTING .400 THIS PAST WEEK

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by JY on May 9, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Okay, I've got to calm down

I want to be a hippie, but I forgot how to love.

by BRKLN M'S on May 9, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

gotta save some of that energy for hating the M's later today.

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by JY on May 9, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know how long I can keep doing this

I want to be a hippie, but I forgot how to love.

by BRKLN M'S on May 9, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

You'd be surprised.

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by JY on May 9, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

IM STILL ANGRY FROM LAST NIGHT

I want to be a hippie, but I forgot how to love.

by BRKLN M'S on May 9, 2010 11:20 AM PDT reply actions  

Me too

It’s weird, but I think game charts give me closure.

by DrunkAmerican on May 9, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

How many freaking extra inning games do we have to lose....

Geeze.

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by skywaker9 on May 9, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

NOT AS WEIRD AS I HAD IMAGINED

I want to be a hippie, but I forgot how to love.

by BRKLN M'S on May 9, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Did you do blow off the hooker?

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by JY on May 9, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure I care too much

“Meh” is the only word I can use to describe my feelings towards the Mariners right now.

by tait644 on May 9, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sounds like you need a hug...

And look at that you’re covered!!!!!

Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.

by the other side on May 9, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Heh

Strangely enough, there is a positive correlation between my time spent with the kids and the number of runs the Mariners score.

It’s science…

by tait644 on May 9, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Look at the time

I’ve got to paint my house before the game starts, or something…

by tait644 on May 9, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why don't they some how convince Sweeney/Griffey to be hitting coach?

Because if they can’t, it’s time for at least Sweeney to go.

Right now I'm dreaming of Carl Crawford. Maybe next year...(or this year at the trade deadline)...

by SeaKoala on May 9, 2010 11:20 AM PDT reply actions  

That would only make matters worse...

Griffey isn’t here to perform, on the field that is. I see no fire in his eyes, no frustration when he weakly grounds out to 2nd base, and from what I’ve heard, won’t even participate in bunting practice (even though that is probably the best way for him to actually get on base when the shift is on), because he’s, well Griffey…or was Griffey way back when. We need someone who actually takes that position seriously. Seems the only thing he is interested in is the next prank or the next batting practice home run contest with Ichiro.

DFA Sweeney…please!!

by marcoramius on May 9, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's called retrograde amnesia.

Every year, we manage to forget the past thanks to the head trauma handed out by the Mariners in the previous season.

by abender20 on May 9, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I also think the rally fries deserve part of the blame

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by skywaker9 on May 9, 2010 11:27 AM PDT reply actions  

Good news!

Langerhans is playing first and Griffey is still the DH!

by Poochie on May 9, 2010 11:28 AM PDT reply actions  

YOU ARE NEEDED

I want to be a hippie, but I forgot how to love.

by BRKLN M'S on May 9, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well this lowers my respect for the front office

What do they think, we’re idiots? Non-managerial firings are just ceremonial moves to make it look like the team is doing something to temporarily appease the fanbase.

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by Corco on May 9, 2010 11:45 AM PDT reply actions  

I would say they should have tried to get Edgar to take the job

But he was too good of a hitter to be able to help players this bad.

by wetzelcoal on May 9, 2010 11:45 AM PDT reply actions  

You didn't see that Cleveland guy did you?

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by JY on May 9, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dear god

I would absolutely love to see Dave Sims do something like that on the air.

by wetzelcoal on May 9, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

That is awesome

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by skywaker9 on May 9, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

The concept of what he's doing is awesome.

How he does it and the actual rant itself is incredibly annoying and stupid.

by BigR on May 9, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

True

But he does work for the Indians, the team that has traded away two straight Cy Youngs.

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by skywaker9 on May 9, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Except for the Branyan part.

And the fact that he actually knows about Mahoning Valley.

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by JY on May 9, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Branyan parts are just pure gold.

I want to be a hippie, but I forgot how to love.

by BRKLN M'S on May 9, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

What.

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by JY on May 9, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

You can do/say almost whatever the fuck you want and not get fired

Even if it means negative publicity for your own university. Niehaus is like a tenured professor in that regard

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by Corco on May 9, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, right.

For some reason I was thinking that you were implying Cockrell should have had tenure.

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by JY on May 9, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

What sucks is that the radio announcers are a good 10 seconds ahead of the TV

So you can’t really listen to the radio and watch it on TV at the same time.

by Cantu Easley Winn on May 9, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Alonzo Powell

What has Tacoma ranked in offensive categories in the past 3 seasons?

This move might make some sense if they were actually above average, which may be because of Powell and he can change something with the Mariners.

by fortyniners on May 9, 2010 11:56 AM PDT reply actions  

They're barely above average in most cases.

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by JY on May 9, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Can we all just go to a Mariners game and cause a big ruckus?

Couldn’t we be loud enough to get Junior sucks and Sweeney sucks chants to be heard on television? Just go to one of those Tuesday night games that draw almost as much as a weekend Oakland game.

Carlos Silvelite

by OceanBird on May 9, 2010 12:11 PM PDT reply actions  

If we ask for rally fries while wearing paper bags, is that good or bad?

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by JY on May 9, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ironic

I’m going with that.

Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.

by the other side on May 9, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Harsh.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on May 9, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Embarrassing move. This regime puzzles me. For as brilliant as they've been

at times over the past two years, and as much as I think they “get it”. The fact that at times they still fall back on old school baseball nonsense (team chemistry, Sean White is good because he had a good ERA last year, can’t hit my hottest hitter high in the order because it’s too much pressure, can’t drop an entitled vet in the lineup because it will hurt his feelings, lets scapegoat the hitting coach, etc…) is highly annoying.

by Rudy4three on May 9, 2010 12:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Niehaus to Wak "He can't get that hit for you"

After Wak talks (paraphrase) “we have to win ballgames and there’s accountability to that”
This interview is uh, frustrating to listen to. Platitudes platitudes bullshitting back to platitudes. Good on Niehaus for at least putting him somewhat on the spot.

by Kermit. on May 9, 2010 12:13 PM PDT reply actions  

It seems like every year...

Most other teams find a player out of nowhere that hasn’t done much in previous seasons and that hits a bunch of homeruns or hits for a high average.

Why do Mariners rarely find those the past couple of years? Also why majority of our Starters on offense aren’t even at that level?

I’m almost thinking that at the end of the year it is ok for players to bat 0.250 or have 15 home runs on the year. Anyone should get that just by getting at bats for a season.

by fortyniners on May 9, 2010 12:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Also the players that "come out of nowhere" are generally believed in by some respected segment of the saber community

Carlos Pena had lots of supporters when he busted out of nowhere a couple years ago. Dave Cameron himself advocated for Nelson Cruz before he materialized out of thin air, and so on and so forth

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by Corco on May 9, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Even Sweeney admits he has been Fucking Clownshoes

(from the PI article)

“It’s brutal,” said veteran designated hitter Mike Sweeney, who is batting .176. "I look around this clubhouse and there are a ton of players that deserve to get fired before him and I am one of them.

COME ON – Listen to the man! he WANTS to get fired for the good of the team, now give everyone a Hug and Get the Fuck Out!

by ambrosia2112 on May 9, 2010 12:16 PM PDT reply actions  

I like sweeney, he's an awesome dude.

Just stop the whole playing thing. You would be a great coach. The crying and hugging…

Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.

by the other side on May 9, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Has the clown ban been permanently lifted?

I want to be a hippie, but I forgot how to love.

by BRKLN M'S on May 9, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

These players develop into our reliable starters

and are/were one of these 3 or 4 players that can make something happen on offense.

Where are those 6-10 hitters or someone new we try out and surprizingly starts producing right away

by fortyniners on May 9, 2010 12:17 PM PDT reply actions  

I am just glad they found the problem and fixed it before the season is lost.

It would be terrible if Sweeney and Griffey had their final Major League season torpedoed by a rogue hitting coach.

by Droid Rage on May 9, 2010 12:29 PM PDT reply actions  

This was getting out of hand.

Finally the FO is turning it around.

Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.

by the other side on May 9, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hopefully this is the beggining of bigger moves to come

Still plenty of time to turn this around.

I bought into it

by ChaseB on May 9, 2010 12:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Why are people still blaming Giffey/Sweeney?

The problem with the team is not the hugging DH tandem. We are getting exactly what we expected of them coming into the season. The playoff predictions for the M’s did not include any production from them. It is Figgins/Lopez/Kotchman we should be mad at These are the players which should be producing but are not. I am much more frustrated with this group of players than the DH.

by Justin Pieper on May 9, 2010 12:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Virtually anyone would be an upgrade at DH.

As JY pointed out upthread, Brad Nelson is hitting well right now. Then there’s Tommy Everidge, Mike Carp, etc.

None of them are ‘legit’ options but they are almost certainly an upgrade over what we currently employ.

by Eyeball Kid on May 9, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

You could say the same about 3B or 2B right now as well. Virtually anyone would

be an upgrade there as well given the current numbers.

If you think Brad Nelson or Tommy Everidge are giving you 200 to 300 extra OPS points then god bless you. You are a very optimistic person.

by Rudy4three on May 9, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bottomline is that you guys are lamenting over this DH thing as if

we have good options available. We don’t. Calling up the names above do very little to turn this season around.

by Rudy4three on May 9, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have a hard time believing that Griffey/Sweeney going forward

will be this bad, and I don’t see how Tommy Everidge for example is going to outhit them to the point where it makes a real difference in wins and losses

by Rudy4three on May 9, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes I agree. They both stink, but they won't hit this poorly

all season. At least Sweeney wouldn’t.

To be honest I’m not convinced Tommy Everidge or Brad Nelson are better than Mike Sweeney

by Rudy4three on May 9, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not either, though I think Nelson would be.

My first choice would be Bradley to DH when he comes back and just stick Langerhans in LF.

by MFAN on May 9, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, when Bradley comes back then I'm on board

with getting rid of them, because I’d rather have him at DH with Langerhans/Saunders in LF.

However, right now we’re talking about Brad Nelson and Tommy Everidge, and both those players stinks

by Rudy4three on May 9, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

They at least have this thing called power.

The actual ability to hit a ball to that big tall thing in the outfield.

Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.

by the other side on May 9, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do either have a big league track record

of being able to hit with power? Honestly, what kind of numbers would you project for those guys?

by Rudy4three on May 9, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Better ones

That’s all that matters.

by Eyeball Kid on May 9, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nelson never really got time in the big leagues.

He’s a first baseman who was blocked by Prince Fielder.

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by JY on May 9, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Of the two I'd take Sweeney.

The problem is this team will never cut Griffey, thus we have to sit there with 2!!!!! worthless DH’s.

Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.

by the other side on May 9, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's something we need to fix and can fix.

Just because we can only replace them with okay players doesn’t mean we should just sit there with our 2!!!!! worthless players.

Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.

by the other side on May 9, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

So what do you call the DH's?

The point is those “okay”, or “poor”, players are still better than the black hole at DH.

by Brian Floyd on May 9, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

We like Angels players it seems, so...

we could talk Jim Abbott out of retirement? That could be an improvement.

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by JY on May 9, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yet still an upgrade.

That’s how bad our designated hitters are.

by BrianL on May 9, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

True, I just think this offense is doomed either way, and I'm

not going to pretend that just subbing out the current black holes, with replacement level guys is going to make that much of a difference

by Rudy4three on May 9, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

My whole line of reasoning is that I think it's a bit

of a waste of time to bitch about the DHs the way everyone is. Especially with no player of significant value ready to replace them.

I’m not trying to defend those two guys or say that we wouldn’t be better without them. Just that I think this offense is going to be bad with or without them.

by Rudy4three on May 9, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

They don't need to be significant value

They just need value. It’s the easiest thing to improve at this point. Everyone else at least provides defense and should hit better during the season. The DHs are providing, and probably will provide, nothing.

by Brian Floyd on May 9, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

We are bitching about something that we knew would be bad and won't get better.

The rest of the offense is hitting below expectations. This is exactly what I expected from Griffey/Sweeney.

Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.

by the other side on May 9, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Any kind of production would take the pressure off.

Everyone’s trying too hard and fucking up as a result. Except Guti, who is naturally awesome.

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by JY on May 9, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe it is doomed. But why just sit there and watch the DH spot do nothing.

This doesn’t work try something else.

Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.

by the other side on May 9, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bingo.

Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.

by the other side on May 9, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

DH has no defensive value to factor in.

Chone has been great, and Loafie has been good. We can expect them to at least start hitting decent. The huggers? I have no hope.

Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.

by the other side on May 9, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Has Chone been great. He has been mediocre defensively in my opinion

I imagine he’s contributed very little in regards to value over replacement level

by Rudy4three on May 9, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's only eleven games though :(

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by JY on May 9, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Probably!

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by JY on May 9, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not blaming them at all. If you want to complain about the DH situation then blame

Jack and Wak, or whoever decided they would be adequate DH options/middle or the order hitters.

I personally am putting much more blame on Figgins, Lopez, Kotchman, and Milton Bradley.

Less so Milton because he apparently is just mentally ill, but Figgins has been awful, as has Lopez. Kotchman hasn’t done anything over the last 10 games either.

by Rudy4three on May 9, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, for one thing

they are taking up space on the roster that could be filled by actual players. We can’t make any moves late in games because we have few bench players who can play.

by Droid Rage on May 9, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm with Justin.

Nothing was expected out of the DH spot. Any value would have just been a plus.

I bought into it

by ChaseB on May 9, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I expect a fucking dinger a month.

Lets start with that hurdle.

Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.

by the other side on May 9, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well then you're an idiot.

The DH position is one of our weakest areas that we can easily replace and the problem with Griffey and Sweeney is they’re well below average DHs. You can expect Figgins/Lopez/Kotchman/Bradley to produce down the line but expecting Griffey and Sweeney to do so is not going to happen.

You got slurved!

by Slurvey on May 9, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bradley when he gets back.

Heck at this point I’d take Langerhans at DH.

by MFAN on May 9, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Flip it.

I’d take Langy at DH.

Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.

by the other side on May 9, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Anything.

Absolutely anything.

Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.

by the other side on May 9, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Inanimate carbon rod?

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by JY on May 9, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks for the assist.

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by JY on May 9, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

*doesn't leave you hanging*

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by JY on May 9, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

And that does not strike you as a problem?

There is no defensive value at DH. The only value you get from a DH is offensive value. If you are not expecting offensive value from them what exactly are they here for?

by Droid Rage on May 9, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I expected more that 3 total extra base hits from Sweeney/Griffey.

They aren’t the only problem and this team won’t win if Figgins and Lopez don’t hit, but the hugging DH’s have actually been worse than expected.

by MFAN on May 9, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

The point is replacing those guys would be such a minor difference

The team needs the guys that are suppose to hit to start hitting.

I bought into it

by ChaseB on May 9, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's the easiest fix

Take the low hanging fruit first and wait for the other guys to hit like they should.

by Brian Floyd on May 9, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

We have a .464 OPS out of DH

.464.

Replacing those guys would be huge because they have a FOUR HUNDRED AND SIXTY-FOUR MOTHERFUCKING OPS

by Jeff Sullivan on May 9, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't care to find out.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on May 9, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wak does!!!!

Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.

by the other side on May 9, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

That is unlikely

What is likely is that they’re terrible.

by Jeff Sullivan on May 9, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

ZIPS's revised projections have both Griffey and Sweeney at about a .300 wOBA for the rest of the season.

That is really, really bad.

Replacement level for a DH as of 2009 was .329; league average was .366.

Guys that can better a .330 wOBA out of the DH spot literally grow on trees.

by Jeff Nye on May 9, 2010 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Powell plays for the Chunichi Dragons...

On my 1993 Japanese Power Pro game for SNES. He’s a great hitter in that game. Does that count for anything?

by skwid206 on May 9, 2010 1:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Im new to postin here.

Im a longtime m’s fan. Love reading your blogs. I’ve finally decided to sign on and post something. You know the saying, “You can hang out in the sun all day tossing a ball around or you can sit at your computer and do something that matters.” As for the m’s, (I won’t capitalize them until they do something significant) I can’t remember ever checking Seahawk blogs before theirs in May. This year feels worse than ‘08. I’m playing Forza right now over watching the game. I love Sunday baseball, but I can’t afford to patch any more walls in my house. Anyways, I read your rules for postin here. Here’s a little about me. Love Griffey, hate Lopez, Love the idea of Rob as a backup catcher only (for felix), love Guti in mostly a plutonic way, love Milton flippin people off, hate Sweeneys bat, love his hugs, love the fact Wak always looks like he just finished crying.

by FisteeFisterer on May 9, 2010 2:10 PM PDT reply actions  

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