So Long, Alan Cockrell
This'll make a difference. Gone is the guy with two hits in eight Major League at bats. Up is Alonzo Powell, who had 32 hits in 152 Major League at bats. That's 16 times more hits, meaning Powell should do 16 times as much nothing.
Clearly, this team is rife with offensive disappointments. The only player - the only player - who's performed up to expectations has been Franklin Gutierrez. Every single other player has sucked, and guys like Chone Figgins and Milton Bradley have had a world of trouble even making contact. There's something wrong with us. But to take it out on the hitting coach...many of these guys are these are veterans. Veterans who've been hitting for a while. Me, I've never played in the Major Leagues, but I find it hard to believe that Alan Cockrell is the reason why Chone Figgins is still hitting .200. Maybe the organization lacked confidence in Cockrell's ability to turn these guys' seasons around, and that's fine, but is Alonzo Powell going to be much better? If so, explain how.
I guess I just don't like it when coaches pay the price for the players' failure. I know the team can't just up and cut Figgins or Lopez for underperforming, but you could at least, I dunno, tape them to a tree for a while or something. Better than taking away a guy's job when he probably has less to do with this slump than anyone.
Do you think they asked Junior if he wanted the job? Do you think they thought about it?
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We you can't fire the players fire the coach
Never liked this train of thought….
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Yes Minister
“We must do something. This is something. Therefore we must do it.”
by Christoph on May 9, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fuck this
This team doesn’t seem like it is serious about winning. I can’t believe people this smart are allowing themselves to implement Bavasi style roster management.
by Poochie on May 9, 2010 11:16 AM PDT reply actions 6 recs
They are seroius about winning
Problem is that doesn’t’ mean you’ll win.
Until they rid themselves of Rob Johnson and Mike Sweeney, they will not win.
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We can win with both of those players on the team
by DrunkAmerican on May 9, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Nah.
The only really “WTF” is the Griffey/Sweeney axis, and ONE of them would be fine on the bench.
Most other stuff is Wak’s usage patterns, and they are irritating but not deadly stupid. Sean White might not be very good, but he’s better than Rick White.
by eponymous_coward on May 9, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
You're nuts.
This is the worst bench I have even seen in my life on any major league team. No exaggeration.
by Poochie on May 9, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
One could say roughly the same for most of the M's teams in the past five years or so.
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by JY on May 9, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
That was about it?
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by JY on May 9, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't even understand our team right now
Who is our bench? I just would like to know what’s going on
So, to recap...
we have one supposed extra outfielder who can play each position plus first (Langerhans), a utility infielder that is incapable of hitting (Josh Wilson), a catcher who sort of can’t but is still better than that other guy (Moore), and pick your poison (Griffey/Sweeney). Saunders, I don’t know, I’d like to think he’s starting…
Basically no one on our bench can hit and only some of them can play positions on the field.
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by JY on May 9, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
The Outfield Glacier?*
He’s hitting .308/.386/.564 right now, but he was injured earlier so he’s only played in eleven games so far. I’d be amenable to it.
- I’ve heard he is no longer The Outfield Golem as golems move faster.
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by JY on May 9, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Brad Nelson played two games at third last season.
Range Factor: 0.50.
(In seventeen games the previous season, 2.06)
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by JY on May 9, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Most the season we were carrying Tui, Byrnes, Sweeney, and Moore
That’s one backup middle infielder that can’t remotely handle shortstop, and provides zero bat, a DH who can’t hit, a leftfielder, and a catcher, zero lefties/switch hitters
Hannahan is playing second now.
That’s something.
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by JY on May 9, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
WOOOOOOOO
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by JY on May 9, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
IN WEST TENN.
HITTING .400 THIS PAST WEEK
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by JY on May 9, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
gotta save some of that energy for hating the M's later today.
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by JY on May 9, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
You'd be surprised.
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by JY on May 9, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Me too
It’s weird, but I think game charts give me closure.
by DrunkAmerican on May 9, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
How many freaking extra inning games do we have to lose....
Geeze.
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Did you do blow off the hooker?
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by JY on May 9, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
OF COURSE, THATS WHAT TIED THE WHOLE NIGHT TOGETHER
I want to be a hippie, but I forgot how to love.
I'm not sure I care too much
“Meh” is the only word I can use to describe my feelings towards the Mariners right now.
Sounds like you need a hug...
And look at that you’re covered!!!!!
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 9, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Heh
Strangely enough, there is a positive correlation between my time spent with the kids and the number of runs the Mariners score.
It’s science…
I do hope they are your kids...
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 9, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
This is uncomfortable...
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 9, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Why don't they some how convince Sweeney/Griffey to be hitting coach?
Because if they can’t, it’s time for at least Sweeney to go.
Right now I'm dreaming of Carl Crawford. Maybe next year...(or this year at the trade deadline)...
That would only make matters worse...
Griffey isn’t here to perform, on the field that is. I see no fire in his eyes, no frustration when he weakly grounds out to 2nd base, and from what I’ve heard, won’t even participate in bunting practice (even though that is probably the best way for him to actually get on base when the shift is on), because he’s, well Griffey…or was Griffey way back when. We need someone who actually takes that position seriously. Seems the only thing he is interested in is the next prank or the next batting practice home run contest with Ichiro.
DFA Sweeney…please!!
He's already seen this season. That was a comment in the past tense.
It’s very confusing.
YEah fuck those guys
We should have listened to the USS Mariner instad.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
It's called retrograde amnesia.
Every year, we manage to forget the past thanks to the head trauma handed out by the Mariners in the previous season.
I also think the rally fries deserve part of the blame
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Whether you're driving near or far,
Powell makes a Pow-Pow-Powerful car!
I WANT TO APOLOGIZE FOR MY GT BEHAVIOR LAST NIGHT...BUT I CANT
I want to be a hippie, but I forgot how to love.
Ever find that heroin you were seeking?
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 9, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
JUST A TRUCKLOAD OF COKE WHICH WAS ACTUALLY JUST FINE
I want to be a hippie, but I forgot how to love.
Works in a pinch.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 9, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
But you get your choice of toppings!
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by JY on May 9, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Well Kotchman has been bad
Better replace him with another lefty!
by Jeff Sullivan on May 9, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Ryan Langerhans has never started a MLB game at first
At least the novelty will be fun in a 2008 sorta way
Sounds about right.
Did Felix die last night?
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by the other side on May 9, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
YOU ARE NEEDED

I want to be a hippie, but I forgot how to love.
by BRKLN M'S on May 9, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tommy Everidge for DH!
At least he can hit towering shots and take up more physical room on the bench
He isn't good right now.
Nelson is though.
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by JY on May 9, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
On the plus side
For pitching, Doug Fister has been surprisingly good…
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A pitcher would have to give up a negative number of runs in order to win with our offense.
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by JY on May 9, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Doug Fister didn't miss a single bat yesterday!
by Jeff Sullivan on May 9, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
This must make him really damn annoying to other teams.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 9, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
So is Fister the pitching equivalent of a Doilie?
Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.
by JAH on May 9, 2010 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Well this lowers my respect for the front office
What do they think, we’re idiots? Non-managerial firings are just ceremonial moves to make it look like the team is doing something to temporarily appease the fanbase.
Determined, Jonesing Commentor
I would say they should have tried to get Edgar to take the job
But he was too good of a hitter to be able to help players this bad.
You didn't see that Cleveland guy did you?
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by JY on May 9, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
It's a video.
http://deadspin.com/5532859/indians-announcer-goes-on-epic-indians-rant-on-the-indians-network
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by JY on May 9, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Dear god
I would absolutely love to see Dave Sims do something like that on the air.
The concept of what he's doing is awesome.
How he does it and the actual rant itself is incredibly annoying and stupid.
by BigR on May 9, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Except for the Branyan part.
And the fact that he actually knows about Mahoning Valley.
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by JY on May 9, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
It got worse when he brought it back.
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by JY on May 9, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
What.
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by JY on May 9, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
You can do/say almost whatever the fuck you want and not get fired
Even if it means negative publicity for your own university. Niehaus is like a tenured professor in that regard
Determined, Jonesing Commentor
Oh, right.
For some reason I was thinking that you were implying Cockrell should have had tenure.
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by JY on May 9, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
What sucks is that the radio announcers are a good 10 seconds ahead of the TV
So you can’t really listen to the radio and watch it on TV at the same time.
by Cantu Easley Winn on May 9, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Alonzo Powell
What has Tacoma ranked in offensive categories in the past 3 seasons?
This move might make some sense if they were actually above average, which may be because of Powell and he can change something with the Mariners.
They're barely above average in most cases.
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by JY on May 9, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah we'd move from dead last in MLB in HRs
To fifth from the bottom with that, love it…
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Let's take a bunch of hitters who are trying too hard and relax them by taking away their emotional crutch.
But... Griffey! Sweeney!
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by JY on May 9, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
UH OH


I want to be a hippie, but I forgot how to love.
by BRKLN M'S on May 9, 2010 12:00 PM PDT reply actions 14 recs
FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUU-
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by JY on May 9, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Holy shit.
HE FOUND A WAY TO COME BACK
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 9, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Can we all just go to a Mariners game and cause a big ruckus?
Couldn’t we be loud enough to get Junior sucks and Sweeney sucks chants to be heard on television? Just go to one of those Tuesday night games that draw almost as much as a weekend Oakland game.
Carlos Silvelite
More subtle but potentially more effective would be to flip the In Z We Trust Banner around everytime Sweeney comes up to bat where it would simply read "DFA Sweeney"
Determined, Jonesing Commentor
by Corco on May 9, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Only if I can take it off to eat some garlic fries.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 9, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
If we ask for rally fries while wearing paper bags, is that good or bad?
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by JY on May 9, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Ironic
I’m going with that.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 9, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Harsh.
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by JY on May 9, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Embarrassing move. This regime puzzles me. For as brilliant as they've been
at times over the past two years, and as much as I think they “get it”. The fact that at times they still fall back on old school baseball nonsense (team chemistry, Sean White is good because he had a good ERA last year, can’t hit my hottest hitter high in the order because it’s too much pressure, can’t drop an entitled vet in the lineup because it will hurt his feelings, lets scapegoat the hitting coach, etc…) is highly annoying.
Niehaus to Wak "He can't get that hit for you"
After Wak talks (paraphrase) “we have to win ballgames and there’s accountability to that”
This interview is uh, frustrating to listen to. Platitudes platitudes bullshitting back to platitudes. Good on Niehaus for at least putting him somewhat on the spot.
It seems like every year...
Most other teams find a player out of nowhere that hasn’t done much in previous seasons and that hits a bunch of homeruns or hits for a high average.
Why do Mariners rarely find those the past couple of years? Also why majority of our Starters on offense aren’t even at that level?
I’m almost thinking that at the end of the year it is ok for players to bat 0.250 or have 15 home runs on the year. Anyone should get that just by getting at bats for a season.
We already knew Gutz was Sex. He just has to show everyone else.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 9, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure that while the general consensus was that Gutz was underrated, nobody realized quite how good he was going to be
Determined, Jonesing Commentor
He's gonna get hit by a goddamn semi isn't he...
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 9, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Also the players that "come out of nowhere" are generally believed in by some respected segment of the saber community
Carlos Pena had lots of supporters when he busted out of nowhere a couple years ago. Dave Cameron himself advocated for Nelson Cruz before he materialized out of thin air, and so on and so forth
Determined, Jonesing Commentor
Yes, literally anyone can hit .250 with 15 HRs at the ML level
I want to be a hippie, but I forgot how to love.
Even Sweeney admits he has been Fucking Clownshoes
(from the PI article)
“It’s brutal,” said veteran designated hitter Mike Sweeney, who is batting .176. "I look around this clubhouse and there are a ton of players that deserve to get fired before him and I am one of them.
COME ON – Listen to the man! he WANTS to get fired for the good of the team, now give everyone a Hug and Get the Fuck Out!
I like sweeney, he's an awesome dude.
Just stop the whole playing thing. You would be a great coach. The crying and hugging…
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 9, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I believe retire would be the word to use here.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 9, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
These players develop into our reliable starters
and are/were one of these 3 or 4 players that can make something happen on offense.
Where are those 6-10 hitters or someone new we try out and surprizingly starts producing right away
I am just glad they found the problem and fixed it before the season is lost.
It would be terrible if Sweeney and Griffey had their final Major League season torpedoed by a rogue hitting coach.
This was getting out of hand.
Finally the FO is turning it around.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 9, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Hopefully this is the beggining of bigger moves to come
Still plenty of time to turn this around.
I bought into it
Why are people still blaming Giffey/Sweeney?
The problem with the team is not the hugging DH tandem. We are getting exactly what we expected of them coming into the season. The playoff predictions for the M’s did not include any production from them. It is Figgins/Lopez/Kotchman we should be mad at These are the players which should be producing but are not. I am much more frustrated with this group of players than the DH.
How is it easy to fix? Who do you want at DH? The only legit in house option
is on the restricted list with some type of mental issue
Virtually anyone would be an upgrade at DH.
As JY pointed out upthread, Brad Nelson is hitting well right now. Then there’s Tommy Everidge, Mike Carp, etc.
None of them are ‘legit’ options but they are almost certainly an upgrade over what we currently employ.
The question really should be how could we do worse?
3 DH’s?
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 9, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
You could say the same about 3B or 2B right now as well. Virtually anyone would
be an upgrade there as well given the current numbers.
If you think Brad Nelson or Tommy Everidge are giving you 200 to 300 extra OPS points then god bless you. You are a very optimistic person.
Bottomline is that you guys are lamenting over this DH thing as if
we have good options available. We don’t. Calling up the names above do very little to turn this season around.
How do you not get that Sweeney and Griffey have been so unbelievably bad
a random AAA body is a decent upgrade?
I have a hard time believing that Griffey/Sweeney going forward
will be this bad, and I don’t see how Tommy Everidge for example is going to outhit them to the point where it makes a real difference in wins and losses
What do you see that tells you Griffey/Sweeney can improve?
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 9, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm sure they'll hit a little better, I doubt Sweeney would hit .174 over the whole season, but they are both 40 or nearing 40 and in a clear decline.
Yes I agree. They both stink, but they won't hit this poorly
all season. At least Sweeney wouldn’t.
To be honest I’m not convinced Tommy Everidge or Brad Nelson are better than Mike Sweeney
I'm not either, though I think Nelson would be.
My first choice would be Bradley to DH when he comes back and just stick Langerhans in LF.
Yeah, when Bradley comes back then I'm on board
with getting rid of them, because I’d rather have him at DH with Langerhans/Saunders in LF.
However, right now we’re talking about Brad Nelson and Tommy Everidge, and both those players stinks
They at least have this thing called power.
The actual ability to hit a ball to that big tall thing in the outfield.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 9, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Do either have a big league track record
of being able to hit with power? Honestly, what kind of numbers would you project for those guys?
Nelson never really got time in the big leagues.
He’s a first baseman who was blocked by Prince Fielder.
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by JY on May 9, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm done you have your opinion have fun with it.
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by the other side on May 9, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Of the two I'd take Sweeney.
The problem is this team will never cut Griffey, thus we have to sit there with 2!!!!! worthless DH’s.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 9, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Well if this is how we are talking then yes cutting Griffey would be an option for me.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 9, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
It's something we need to fix and can fix.
Just because we can only replace them with okay players doesn’t mean we should just sit there with our 2!!!!! worthless players.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 9, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
So what do you call the DH's?
The point is those “okay”, or “poor”, players are still better than the black hole at DH.
We like Angels players it seems, so...
we could talk Jim Abbott out of retirement? That could be an improvement.
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by JY on May 9, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Yet still an upgrade.
That’s how bad our designated hitters are.
True, I just think this offense is doomed either way, and I'm
not going to pretend that just subbing out the current black holes, with replacement level guys is going to make that much of a difference
My whole line of reasoning is that I think it's a bit
of a waste of time to bitch about the DHs the way everyone is. Especially with no player of significant value ready to replace them.
I’m not trying to defend those two guys or say that we wouldn’t be better without them. Just that I think this offense is going to be bad with or without them.
They don't need to be significant value
They just need value. It’s the easiest thing to improve at this point. Everyone else at least provides defense and should hit better during the season. The DHs are providing, and probably will provide, nothing.
We are bitching about something that we knew would be bad and won't get better.
The rest of the offense is hitting below expectations. This is exactly what I expected from Griffey/Sweeney.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 9, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Any kind of production would take the pressure off.
Everyone’s trying too hard and fucking up as a result. Except Guti, who is naturally awesome.
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by JY on May 9, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe it is doomed. But why just sit there and watch the DH spot do nothing.
This doesn’t work try something else.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 9, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Bingo.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 9, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
DH has no defensive value to factor in.
Chone has been great, and Loafie has been good. We can expect them to at least start hitting decent. The huggers? I have no hope.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 9, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Has Chone been great. He has been mediocre defensively in my opinion
I imagine he’s contributed very little in regards to value over replacement level
Early data combined with watching every game hasn't shown
me that’s he playing 2B at an above average level.
Then let's DH him. That would be an upgrade.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 9, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not like DH where we know they will suck all season.
I don’t care what your opinion of his defensive value is. He WILL turn it around at some point.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 9, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Has Chone been great. He has been mediocre defensively in my opinion
I imagine he’s contributed very little in regards to value over replacement level
It's only eleven games though :(
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by JY on May 9, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Probably!
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by JY on May 9, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not blaming them at all. If you want to complain about the DH situation then blame
Jack and Wak, or whoever decided they would be adequate DH options/middle or the order hitters.
I personally am putting much more blame on Figgins, Lopez, Kotchman, and Milton Bradley.
Less so Milton because he apparently is just mentally ill, but Figgins has been awful, as has Lopez. Kotchman hasn’t done anything over the last 10 games either.
Well, for one thing
they are taking up space on the roster that could be filled by actual players. We can’t make any moves late in games because we have few bench players who can play.
I'm with Justin.
Nothing was expected out of the DH spot. Any value would have just been a plus.
I bought into it
I expect a fucking dinger a month.
Lets start with that hurdle.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 9, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Well then you're an idiot.
The DH position is one of our weakest areas that we can easily replace and the problem with Griffey and Sweeney is they’re well below average DHs. You can expect Figgins/Lopez/Kotchman/Bradley to produce down the line but expecting Griffey and Sweeney to do so is not going to happen.
You got slurved!
Flip it.
I’d take Langy at DH.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 9, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Kotchman's offense hasn't been much better than Griffey's
by Justin Pieper on May 9, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
He's been worth 10 times Griffey just on the strength of this!!!
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 9, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
You can't use the defence argument when discussing putting Kotchman at DH.
by Justin Pieper on May 9, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I regret stopping this low...
Kotchman has 3 dingers.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 9, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
*stooping
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 9, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
He's been crushing some balls lately.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 9, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Between his LD% and low BABIP
It seems easy to say he’s been unlucky and is due to move towards the mean.
Kotchman has life. He has showed us that he can hit.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 9, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Anything.
Absolutely anything.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 9, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Inanimate carbon rod?
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on May 9, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for the assist.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on May 9, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
*doesn't leave you hanging*
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on May 9, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Even get Saunders some at bats there if you want Bradley back in LF.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 9, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Alex Gordon?
Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.
by JAH on May 9, 2010 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Any warm body
Griffey and Sweeney are cold. Sweeney has no fucking plate discipline. Throw a cardboard cutout out there and it’d do better.
Lopez, Figgins, and Kotchamn's production could be easily
be replaced with AAA bodies as well
by Justin Pieper on May 9, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I could go up there without a bat and be more productive
I want to be a hippie, but I forgot how to love.
And that does not strike you as a problem?
There is no defensive value at DH. The only value you get from a DH is offensive value. If you are not expecting offensive value from them what exactly are they here for?
I expected more that 3 total extra base hits from Sweeney/Griffey.
They aren’t the only problem and this team won’t win if Figgins and Lopez don’t hit, but the hugging DH’s have actually been worse than expected.
The point is replacing those guys would be such a minor difference
The team needs the guys that are suppose to hit to start hitting.
I bought into it
It's the easiest fix
Take the low hanging fruit first and wait for the other guys to hit like they should.
I think everyone agrees with that. Lopez and Figgins need to start hitting if this team wants to contend.
But an upgrade is an upgrade no matter how big or small.
We have a .464 OPS out of DH
.464.
Replacing those guys would be huge because they have a FOUR HUNDRED AND SIXTY-FOUR MOTHERFUCKING OPS
by Jeff Sullivan on May 9, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
You almost wonder if they could sustain that.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 9, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't care to find out.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on May 9, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Wak does!!!!
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 9, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
That is unlikely
What is likely is that they’re terrible.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 9, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
ZIPS's revised projections have both Griffey and Sweeney at about a .300 wOBA for the rest of the season.
That is really, really bad.
Replacement level for a DH as of 2009 was .329; league average was .366.
Guys that can better a .330 wOBA out of the DH spot literally grow on trees.
by Jeff Nye on May 9, 2010 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Powell plays for the Chunichi Dragons...
On my 1993 Japanese Power Pro game for SNES. He’s a great hitter in that game. Does that count for anything?
Im new to postin here.
Im a longtime m’s fan. Love reading your blogs. I’ve finally decided to sign on and post something. You know the saying, “You can hang out in the sun all day tossing a ball around or you can sit at your computer and do something that matters.” As for the m’s, (I won’t capitalize them until they do something significant) I can’t remember ever checking Seahawk blogs before theirs in May. This year feels worse than ‘08. I’m playing Forza right now over watching the game. I love Sunday baseball, but I can’t afford to patch any more walls in my house. Anyways, I read your rules for postin here. Here’s a little about me. Love Griffey, hate Lopez, Love the idea of Rob as a backup catcher only (for felix), love Guti in mostly a plutonic way, love Milton flippin people off, hate Sweeneys bat, love his hugs, love the fact Wak always looks like he just finished crying.
Yeah, maybe he was a scapegoat
But someone needed to get fired because of this homestand. This was laughingstock of the league sort of play this homestand.
Why? They're not going to fire the people that are actually responsible for the results
So why should anyone be fired?
Because a 1-8 homestand is totally understandable, forgivable, and acceptable
Not one teeny little thing wrong with it.
If you gave someone a block of granite and tied their hands behind their back with the directive of sculpting a head
would you be shocked when you came back and there was no head sculpted?

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