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My dad took me to my first baseball game at Angel Stadium in 1990 (give or take a year). I'd have been around six years old at the time. He'd signed me up for the Halos Kids Club, so we got cheap tickets in the upper deck, along with a magazine, a t-shirt and some trading cards. I had the best time, even though I most likely didn't understand everything that was going on. Over the next year or so we attended a few games. I remember watching Wally Joyner, Chuck Finley, Dave Winfield, Gary Gaetti, Luis Polonia, Gary DiSarcina and others.

Star-divide

But my favorite player had to be Jim Abbott. The fact that he was able to make it to the majors, while genuinely impressive, seemed near-magical to me at that age. I remember reading about his life, how he'd throw a ball against the wall of his house to practice pitching and fielding quickly. I learned that he and I share the same birthday. Jim Abbott was the coolest guy ever. And I got the chance to see him pitch in a game. He caught a comebacker. Not a bouncing grounder, or a bloop, but a screaming liner that he was somehow able to catch shortly after pitching the ball and getting the glove onto his hand. I'm still not sure if I've ever seen something more incredible at a baseball game.

I didn't go to that many games, or watch on TV. I mostly followed the sport by collecting baseball cards. In the attic of my parents house are boxes filled with near-worthless cards. I've got a binder with the best players sorted out page by page: Nolan Ryan, Barry Bonds, Bobby Bonilla, Ryne Sandberg, Will Clark, Kirby Puckett, Jose Canseco, Roger Clemens, Darryl Strawberry (!) and on and on and on...

But then the 1994 baseball strike happened, and I just lost interest and drifted away from the sport. So I missed 1995. And 2001. In fact, I didn't pay any attention until I'd learned that the Angels were going to the World Series. I watched the series and rooted for the Angels, but it's not really ingrained in my memory because I had so little investment at that point.

But it reignited my love for the game. I started following baseball more and more, and I was pretty much a die-hard fan by the 2004 season. Shortly after that, I read a book called Moneyball and starting educating myself about sabermetrics. My brother and I would go to games as often as we could, many times driving to Anaheim and back to San Diego the same night. I came to loathe Frankie Rodriguez, because even though he'd get the job done, he'd have to give me minor heart trauma first.

I moved to Seattle in February 2007. And while I was an Angels fan, I was also a baseball fan and went to see baseball at Safeco as often as I could. I was somehow introduced to Lookout Landing, and was delighted to find a community full of hilarious, like-minded individuals. And that's where the trouble started. I was not only going to games, watching on TV and listening on the radio, but I was able to laugh/cheer/compain/lament with others who were smart and funny. I began to like individual Mariners. This was easy enough to excuse. Ichiro is amazing. Who doesn't like Felix? Branyan's sex blasts will make anyone tingle a bit. But this was a bit of a cover. Because I was also beginning to like the team. I should have cheered the Bedard trade because it would help the Angels' chances. But all I could think about was how stupid it was. I ran into Bavasi at my local market during the trade rumors and resisted the urge to ask the cashier to page Adam Jones to the front of the store. Jose Vidro drove me insane. He's batting cleanup again?? GOD. But I was able to keep up this doublethink for a while by allowing myself to enjoy both teams, as long as I rooted for the Angels over the Mariners.

Each passing winter without baseball seems longer and longer as I descend further into this madness that is fandom. And yet, when the spring finally arrived this year, I could barely bring myself to care about the Angels. I've watched all of a half hour of Angels baseball this season. When I hear that they get thrashed, or that one of my favorite players hit a homerun, they both get a similarly disinterested reaction. And even though I could easily watch their games on MLBtv, I instead spend time hunting for a working proxy so I can watch the Mariners lose to the As. And this is all thanks to you, Lookout Landing.

I've been spoiled. It's not enough for me to simply watch baseball anymore. I now watch not just for the sport itself, but so I can participate in a community that knows the following: the status of their Japanese catcher's back, who Levale Speigner is, and that there is no floor.

I realize that this seems rather opportunistic; that I'm switching allegiances just as the Angels begin their long, slow slide into mediocrity. And that there are those that believe that fanhood is for life, that you can't just pick a new team. And I don't have an answer to that. I think that's part of the reason why I didn't make this fanpost sooner. I didn't want to seem like I'm giving up, like I'm making the easy choice. It's not that I think things would be better if I liked the Mariners; the simple fact is that I do.

And so, I hope that you'll accept me as a Mariner fan. Seattle is my home now. I've come to know many of you well online and off, and am glad to be able to call some friends. I know I haven't suffered through the recent years like many of you have (though Yuni, Bavasi, Rally Fries [WHY DID THEY BRING THOSE BACK?!] and Silva aggravated me plenty). And I may never be able to convince some that my fanhood is legitimate or deserved. But I'll be standing by you all, rooting for the Ms all the same.

8byju_medium

Go Mariners!

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Eyebrows

mariners fan in seattle

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Based on the past few games

seems more like you’re jumping onto a sinking ship

by greymstreet on May 6, 2010 9:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Yay!

it just feels so right doesn’t it?

Karma police, arrest this man.

by wyte_lightning on May 6, 2010 9:22 PM PDT reply actions  

FINALLY

Welcome aboard sucker.

by BrianL on May 6, 2010 9:36 PM PDT reply actions  

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I realize that this seems rather opportunistic

Given how the Ms have started out this year, I don’t think you’ll have any problems with detractors calling you out on that.

Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.

by JAH on May 6, 2010 9:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Stalker.

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by Eyebrows on May 6, 2010 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ok there.

I’ve caught up on them all. Though I was only tardy on the votes because work internet filters blocked my ability to vote.

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by Eyebrows on May 6, 2010 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, DUUUUUuuuuh!

(We always knew you had a little bit of Willie Bloomquist in you. Just like the rest of us.)

Wait. How do we know this guy isn’t a double-agent like Chone Figgins?

Does the World Series trophy come with a plate of bacon?

by PositivePaul on May 6, 2010 10:09 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

And Eyebrows

as someone who went through a similar move (albeit in reverse), I understand what it’s like to be living somewhere where everyone else is rooting for a different team than you.

Lookout Landing has been a huge influence in bringing me back to the Mariners after college without too much baseball thought. I’ve loved the game for a long time, but ironically, playing the game in high school made me like the game significantly less. I’ve loved having this community to force me to be a smarter fan, to understand how the game works, and to reinforce the notion that you should always have to back up your opinions with evidence. When I started getting back into baseball, there was no reason I couldn’t have become a fan of say, Atlanta or San Diego. By then I had long since stopped thinking of Seattle as my home and felt almost like a free agent. but reading and interacting here reminded me just how much I loved the Mariners and why I could never stop rooting for them.

Fanhood isn’t really something that you should be forced into. Fanhood is a choice – you choose your pro team and your college choice dictates your college team.

Now that you’ve chosen us though, I’m afraid you’re stuck with us, my friend. Welcome aboard.

by seattlebruin on May 6, 2010 10:23 PM PDT reply actions   3 recs

Even after that miserable catastrofuck of a game

this makes me smile. I’m glad I found it when I did.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on May 6, 2010 10:28 PM PDT reply actions   5 recs

I don't normally explain my recs, but...

… I have to give it up for catastrofuck.

Because we’re rebels. Accurate, intelligent, introspective rebels. And damn proud of it my friend. - CapSea
Preserved In All His Greatness - R.I.P. The Reignman 1989 to 1997

by JLProck on May 7, 2010 12:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bless you Jon Stewart.

Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.

by JAH on May 7, 2010 1:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

My thoughts exactly.

Go M’s and go Eyebrows! Welcome to the family (even though you were already a part).

by dkulich on May 8, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Huzzah!

Fuck the fucking Angels!

by lemonverbena on May 6, 2010 10:32 PM PDT reply actions  

I guess it's official, then

There are no cool Angels fans left.

My Mariners blog SodoMojo, My Twitter Feed

by Griffin Cooper on May 6, 2010 10:39 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

TheOptimist is pretty cool, though I haven't seen him around lately.

And 44Fan is good too, from what I remember.

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by Eyebrows on May 6, 2010 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Perfect Timing.

I’m glad I came across this fanpost. I was in the middle of quitting the team temporarily. In fact, I told my girlfriend I was several days ago before the streak became the holocaust.

Thanks. I am now renewed in my fanaticism.

by hcoguy on May 6, 2010 10:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Holy crap.

"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."

by Fearless Frog on May 6, 2010 10:55 PM PDT reply actions  

Can someone please explain the vitriol over Rally Fries?

Also, welcome to the club. I’d post something like this, but my story isn’t that cool.

I'd sleep at the Internet, but I've found servers don't make for good pillows.

by thehemogoblin on May 6, 2010 10:58 PM PDT reply actions  

That was so ridiculously informative; I'm glad I come to Lookout Landing for quality insight.

Is it the whole giving them out to random fans bit, or is it the taste, or the principle of the matter, or Mike Blowers, or what?

I'd sleep at the Internet, but I've found servers don't make for good pillows.

by thehemogoblin on May 6, 2010 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

It was something that was kinda okay the first time, and then ran into the ground.

It became like the wave – an annoying distraction from the game that people are SUPPOSEDLY there for, yet so many common fans seem to enjoy.

When tons of people bring signs to a game to humiliate themselves for a chance to get on TEEVEE and get $20 in fries, that’s when you know it’s a terrible, terrible thing.

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by Eyebrows on May 6, 2010 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Those are just between inning distractions, though.

They don’t actually cut into the game. I’d argue that the Hydros and Hat Trick are part of the ball park tradition.

But yes, the rally fries stuff is distracting and embarrassing to watch.

by MT Olson on May 7, 2010 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have refused to watch the stupid animated hydro races since Safeco first opened

Just watch the crowd while they’re “racing”. They are more rapt and then cheer louder than during the game! Bunch of fucking sheep.

by lemonverbena on May 7, 2010 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't know about sheep, exactly

They just seem to all be really casual fans. I wouldn’t classify them as cheering because everyone else is doing it, I would say they all cheer because it represents a change of pace and is quick, simple, and very results based instead of progress oriented. It’s hard to get into a 3 hour game with plenty of time where guys are just standing around 80% of the time.

by MT Olson on May 9, 2010 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

At the 4/30 Cliff Lee game...

…an annoying fuckass drunk fan was trying to get everyone on the 300 level to do the wave during the 9th inning of a 0-0 tie.

The worst part was, he kinda succeeded. I wanted to scream.

by HititHere on May 7, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like the Hat Trick

because it’s a test of visual acuity. Hydro Races and the dancing groundskeepers can go to hell though.

Mariners/D Broncos/BSU Broncos fan in Seattle
The first rule of Lookout Landing is...

by appleshampoo on May 7, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

More than just visual acuity!

It involves pursuits and saccades too!

by dkulich on May 8, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Gotcha.

I'd sleep at the Internet, but I've found servers don't make for good pillows.

by thehemogoblin on May 6, 2010 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

FUCK. THIS. SHIT.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rally_fries

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on May 8, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Company is always welcome on a ship of questionable seaworthiness.

It’s refreshing to hear stories of fanhood pushed by the community of fans.

"The holy grail is to spend less time making the picture than it takes people to look at it." -Banksy

by two_hands on May 6, 2010 11:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Fool! You're not supposed to jump on the ship! You're supposed to abandon ship!

But seriously Eyebrows, we’ve always considered you one of us.

You're dead to me.

by Goose on May 6, 2010 11:43 PM PDT reply actions  

Congratulations.

Welcome to Hell.

Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.

by the other side on May 7, 2010 3:11 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

You see,

now I’m going to be spending the better part of my afternoon looking through our minor league rosters and seeing if anyone else has exceptional eyebrows. Even though I’m fine with the current icon.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on May 7, 2010 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jesus Christ.

Well, that doesn’t totally fit, because he doesn’t have eyebrows. He just has a big fucking feather boa stretched across his forehead.

by Matt Erickson on May 7, 2010 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Brett Myers has some competition.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on May 7, 2010 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I feel all warm and fuzzy inside

knowing that some other idiot just threw his life away.
hugs.

by Kirsten Schlewitz on May 7, 2010 7:43 AM PDT reply actions  

D'awwwww

Well this made my morning. Thanks Eyebrows!

by Robert Lintott on May 7, 2010 7:58 AM PDT reply actions  

Awesome!

Just in time for us to hopefully crush the Angels (if we want to have any chance of getting back in this thing).

You’re a fan if the team causes you pain and joy, regardless of whether or not anyone else accepts it.

by ARock on May 7, 2010 9:24 AM PDT reply actions  

If they don't start winning

this could be the theme song for the order of the wristcutters as well

by cmccrack206 on May 11, 2010 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

One of us?

One of us.

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on May 7, 2010 1:50 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

- Angels fan. A real one.

Play Wood already. Willits sucks.

by hauldog on May 7, 2010 2:11 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

The fanpost over at HH was fun to read.

Had some interesting viewpoints on what it means to be a real fan. Then I saw Rev Halofan spelled Angels wrong and couldn’t stop laughing.

by MT Olson on May 7, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

That was head trip right back to high school.

Who’s sitting with what group at lunch type of vibe. Yuck.

by Kermit. on May 7, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like that they're calling Eyebrows a fairweather fan

as he’s declaring fandom of a team that’s currently last in its division.

Because that’s really the best part.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on May 7, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Looks like another Angels' 3B that hacks too much is going to flail around for a a while.

Brandon Wood = Dallas McPherson redux? I remember the good ole days when I thought he would complete the fearsome AL West Third Basemen Tetrarch of Doom. Chavez/Blalock/Beltre/McPherson. Funny enough since Beltre signed in 05 the other three went down the bucket.

You got slurved!

by Slurvey on May 7, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seems like a strange thing to say then

It’s like “don’t accidentally flip into beans into your eye.” It could happen, if you eat wrong. But I’d never really consider it a concern.

by Jeff Sullivan on May 7, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions   7 recs

Pinto

I am in some kind of commenting funk. I’m commenting like the Angels are playing.

by Jeff Sullivan on May 7, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think if someone makes a decision I disagree with,

I’m entitled to tell them they’re making a bad decision, by pointing out inherent, if unlikely, risks associated with their decision.
Like if I’m eating ice cream and I offer some to my friend, and she says, “I’m gonna eat this can of beans instead,” I’d probably say, “Whatever, don’t accidentally flip pinto beans into your eye.”

by RunningFool on May 7, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Depends on if the door you are leaving from is a "Push" or "Pull."

If it is a “Push” it can’t hit you in the ass unless you are walking out backward.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on May 7, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Doggie door?

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on May 7, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it is a reference to old western saloon doors Jeff.

People who use colloquial expressions of this nature are also prone to comparing dependability to the Postal Service. Or they might also refer to the hitching post and feed store from time to time. On the plus side they are not as crude in speech. You might say whore but they would say woman of ill repute.

by Sec 108 on May 8, 2010 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was once a Lakers fan.

But then I moved to Spokane, and became a Sonics fan. Wouldn’t you know, they up and move to OKC, now i’m a Trail Blazers fan. In case this is lost upon anyone, i’m being sarcastic. I could move to Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia, and I wouldn’t stop being a fan of the Halos. But hey, when in Seattle, why not sip the latte?

YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....

by halofolife on May 9, 2010 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

You are such an awesome, devoted fan!

I feel ashamed for not acknowledging your loyalty before. I apologize.

by Jeff Sullivan on May 10, 2010 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

No need to apologize Jeff.

I’m sure if you moved to Boston, you wouldn’t become a fan of the sux, right? Because, after all, you’re not a fair weather. Or geographically motivated to root for the nearest team. Right?

YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....

by halofolife on May 10, 2010 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

There is only one way to be a true fan.

If there wasn’t, it wouldn’t be true. C’mon Jeff.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on May 10, 2010 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

The thing that always amazed me about Jim Abbott

Wasn’t that he was a cool story that beat the odds to become a one handed baseball player, but that he was a 1st round, top 10 pick. I think it’s so cool that he wasn’t just a novelty but was a legitimate pitching prospect from day 1. And he also has two major league hits which is just ridiculous

Stats are not a euphemism for tits

by Trenchtown on May 7, 2010 3:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Did you change your signature before this post?

That signature would be banal coming from almost anyone else here.

"The holy grail is to spend less time making the picture than it takes people to look at it." -Banksy

by two_hands on May 7, 2010 8:16 PM PDT reply actions  

HAHAHAHA YOU'RE STUCK WITH US

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on May 7, 2010 9:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Two things:

Wow, this got a crazy reaction, didn’t it? Thanks for having my back, guys. I should work less and be on LL more.

I sure picked a good time to switch, huh? What a game tonight.

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by Eyebrows on May 7, 2010 9:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Results aside, we're still glad you're here.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on May 7, 2010 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was eight nothing!

Beer and pizza sounded better. Oh well, guess I’m just a fair-weather fan.

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by Eyebrows on May 7, 2010 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

x

You poor, poor bastard.

Mariners/D Broncos/BSU Broncos fan in Seattle
The first rule of Lookout Landing is...

by appleshampoo on May 7, 2010 11:21 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

This is about as cool as when Chuck Richter

Refused to wear his Halo hat in Safeco.

It's Always Somethin'

by Funke5ive on May 8, 2010 12:21 AM PDT reply actions  

Angels Fans

They’re right up there with White Sox fans as the biggest d-bags in the country.

If I was your math homework I'd be really hard and you'd be doing me on your desk.
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.

by TheLoneDavid on May 8, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Uhm, seeing as I am a "Havahd Sahx" fan.

I believe I have to take offense to this.

If I was your math homework I'd be really hard and you'd be doing me on your desk.
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.

by TheLoneDavid on May 8, 2010 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

As long as you're not one of the "post-2004" fans, I think you're OK

The Red Sox had some trainwrecks before 2003, and with the whole Roger Clemens thing (“oh look I got a second wind! Yankees? sure why not!”) I have no problem with Sox fans that have had to put up with all that.

The ones I hate are the goddamn bandwagoners that show up to every stadium in their stupid pink hats and pretend the sox are the “heroes” of MLB or something.

by Karma Police on May 9, 2010 5:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes exactly.

I put up with a girlfriend who lived up there for that exact time frame, and had to brave Fenway park at least once a year from 2005-2008. Most of the fans had not one clue who any of their own team was, let alone the other team, and proceded to get hammered, piss in the seats, throw up, all while wearing 5 polos with the collars popped. Without a doubt, worst baseball game experience ever.

by dkulich on May 9, 2010 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Come to Chicago, I'll take you to "The Cell"

We can top that experience, no question.

If I was your math homework I'd be really hard and you'd be doing me on your desk.
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.

by TheLoneDavid on May 9, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Haha

I believe that. I’ve only heard things, but never attempted to brave “The Cell”. Seattle was fun, the fans didn’t have much knowledge, were more into the food, hydro-races, and hat game, but at least they were nice.

by dkulich on May 9, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you're one that sucks, you know who you are.

But the mere fact you know that Seattle Mariners exist, I think you’re in the clear.

by dkulich on May 9, 2010 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ooh, whiny uninformed quasi-Mariner fan on the Clayton show

“Have you seen what Carlos Silva is doing in Chicago?!”

by msb on May 8, 2010 9:26 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm proud of you!

It certainly looks to me like you’ve got a buncha people here to just love the heck out of ya. But seriously, welcome. Glad you’re finally being honest with yourself!!

by BrettJMiller on May 8, 2010 9:55 AM PDT reply actions  

Good for you kid.

As a Boston fan living in Chicago I wish I had a decent team and fanbase to be around sometimes. But Chicago kinda sucks, it’s better to be an alienated Boston fan in the Midwest than a fan of either Chicago team.

This is my first post here I think, but I’ve been lurking a bit after the Milton Bradley trade, and you guys are awesome.

If I was your math homework I'd be really hard and you'd be doing me on your desk.
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.

by TheLoneDavid on May 8, 2010 10:05 AM PDT reply actions  

I fear we may be cooler than a lot of the fanbase

but feel free to hang out if you like. You seem more reasonable than most Red Sox fans, though I can’t say we’ve had many wandering in.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on May 8, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

"Most Red Sox fans" Being the trolls who wander in here I assume?

Sorry if it seems like I’m taking a defensive stance here, but I get that a lot. Used to be nobody cared if you were a Sox fan, it was like being a fan of the Mariners of the Tigers. We’ve gotten pretty heavily diluted since ‘04 and a lot of the “fans” we’ve taken on have been the unsavory sort.

I love what John Henry and Theo have done with the team, but sometimes when I’m getting flamed for no reason I feel like maybe we were better off without a title.

Anyway, thank you for welcoming me in. You guys seem like you have a fun team here, even if they are in a sort of funk, I can sympathize.

If I was your math homework I'd be really hard and you'd be doing me on your desk.
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.

by TheLoneDavid on May 8, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

In general Red Sox fans that were fans pre-2004 are some of the best in baseball.

Red Sox fans that have adopted the team (or transitioned from casual to active) since 2004 are terrible. Unfortunately the ones that show up at Safeco when the Red Sox are in town seem to be more the latter than the former.

by Aaron Campeau on May 8, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

It's the same in Chicago.

There were times when I wanted to jump ship and join up with one of the teams here just on principle, but I hate just about every single player on both Chitown teams, and the fans act exactly like post-2004 Red Sox fans. Milton Bradley was the only thing they had going for them, and now you guys have him.

Besides, I really couldn’t do that, I’d feel like I was betraying Wakefield.

If I was your math homework I'd be really hard and you'd be doing me on your desk.
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.

by TheLoneDavid on May 8, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right.

I didn’t mean to get on your case about it, I think that the Sox have a good FO and I’m glad they finally won it, it’s just had a lot of ugly consequences.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on May 8, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was agreeing with you, just sort of trying to warn you for what could happen should the M's pull it together and win it.

If I was your math homework I'd be really hard and you'd be doing me on your desk.
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.

by TheLoneDavid on May 8, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also, the Marlins have won two World Series in the past fifteen years and NO ONE cares about them.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on May 8, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Marlins are from Florida, they don't count because nobody down there actually knows what a baseball looks like.

The White Sox are a better example. Before 2005 there was only the occasional asshole in black and white walking around town. Now they swarm everywhere. They’re an organization that actually is full of assholes, from AJ Pierzynski to that fat bastard Hawk Harrelson. The team is completely without merit, even worse than the Yankees.

If I was your math homework I'd be really hard and you'd be doing me on your desk.
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.

by TheLoneDavid on May 8, 2010 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Now that I think about it, that's weird.

Doesn’t Florida have crazy good little leagues? Shouldn’t baseball theoretically be really popular?

Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.

by JAH on May 8, 2010 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Theoretically.

It’s a college football and NASCAR state though, which is incredibly confusing to me as I can’t stand either.

If I was your math homework I'd be really hard and you'd be doing me on your desk.
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.

by TheLoneDavid on May 8, 2010 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Holy shit.

This is awesome.

Karma police, arrest this man.

by wyte_lightning on May 8, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Appreciated, and rc you always say the nicest things

Too bad I didn’t edit with more diligence. Heard not hear, there’s a few more. Fun stuff, though I can see why people that do this with any frequency keep a pad and pencil handy.

by Kermit. on May 8, 2010 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, thanks for stealing my sig.

Now I have to change mine. :( ; )

A Mariners fan in Seattle

by Coach Owens on May 8, 2010 12:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Brilliant read...

And I can relate – I was going through a similar thing when the Expos (yes, I’m a Montrealer who watched baseball) moved. I still loved baseball, but I needed a team because I just couldn’t do the whole Nationals thing. (I’m sure some of you are doing that with the Thunder, too).

So I stumbled upon the Mariners. I loved reading this site and the other blogs and my October memories were always cheering for the Mariners against the Yankees.

This isn’t nearly as well written, but I could really relate with the switch.

by JaredB on May 9, 2010 5:59 AM PDT reply actions  

It looks like Eyebrows spent a ton of time here anyway.

It usually confuses me when a fan changes allegiance to teams, but in this case it seems to makes sense because of how deeply involved Eyebrows is with this community.

The only question I have is- would the feeling be same if a Mariners fan moved elsewhere (Baltimore, or Arlington, or even Boston) and became a fan of that local team? I moved to Wisconsin almost 10 years ago, but I still hate the Brewers. Remaining an Angels fan is one way for me to remain close to home although I’m 2000 miles away. I think that’s what some people (Angel fans) have a problem with, fandom is more than geography.

Good luck everyone.

by WiHaloFan on May 9, 2010 11:21 AM PDT reply actions  

I moved to Philadelphia...

and enjoyed going to games, but never really “liked” the Phillies. Now that they’ve won, and everyone thinks they’ve been die hard Phillies fans since they were born, I really kind of dislike the Phillies.

by dkulich on May 9, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Everybody has his own definition of fandom

Can’t really blame anyone for how he chooses to follow a sport.

by Jeff Sullivan on May 9, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Recall that a large part of it was the affect of participating on this website.

So if a Mariner fan found themselves essentially only participating/following with a different team’s community like this one, I think it is entirely possible. Plus there is that whole cognitive dissonance aspect that occurred from the general dislike of your website (sorry) and the fact that the Angels are also a division rival. I think that while it may not happen to everyone, it is certainly not impossible.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on May 9, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sports are serious business.

Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.

by JAH on May 9, 2010 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

You put it better than I did.

I didn’t WANT to be a Mariners fan, I just became one.

mariners fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on May 10, 2010 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

I was a Royals fan when I left Missouri in 1981 and moved to Seattle.

I immediately switched allegiance because I just cannot root against the home team. I know I am wired strangely that way, but nothing annoys me more than someone from somewhere else always blathering about how things are better where they used to live. I would rather become a part of the community I have moved to that wax poetic about where I no longer am.

At the same time I accept people who are fans of teams where they do not or maybe have never lived. It is strange to me and does not make sense, but just because something does not make sense does not mean it is wrong.

If and when I ever leave Seattle I will become a fan of whatever team is closest.

by Sec 108 on May 10, 2010 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I too started out as an Angels fan

As a child I went to Angels/Rams games on a fairly regular basis. My favorites were Brian Downing, Mike Witt, Wally Joyner and Chili Davis.

But then my dad got a job up in Washington in ‘93, and we moved north. My dad embraced the Mariners and was soon taking me and my sister to Mariners games. Didn’t take long for the transition to take place thereafter. 1995 sealed the deal (with our play-off berth coming ironically at the expense of my old favorite).

Welcome aboard Eyebrows.

by Omerta on May 10, 2010 1:47 PM PDT reply actions  

You get 95, and I get the 2010 craptacular!

One of us comes out better on this deal.

mariners fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on May 10, 2010 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great OP!

My story is pretty similar. (Seattle as a magnet city probably has many case of carpetbagging fans like us).

I’ve been an Orioles fan my whole life. From little league days of wanting to be Mickey Tettleton, to eyes welling up with tears as Ripken broke the streak, to the heartbreak of finding out Raffy tested positive for steroids. I remember Jeffrey Maier like it was yesterday, the amazing 1997 season and the collapse of 1998. The faux-resurgence in 2005 was the biggest rollercoaster of a season I have ever experienced. I’ve watched phenoms get traded, and players like Roberts and Tejada waste their primes with a losing team.

I moved out to Seattle a year ago and started watching the M’s. Last season I pulled for both teams, and by mid season as the Orioles began their ritual of giving up, I started following the Mariners more. I discovered this site, and how hilarious and insightful it is, and really got into the team.

Well anyway, I made a conscience decision before the April series that I was going to pull for the Mariners instead of the O’s. I even went to the game in a Figgins shirt and M’s cap. I will always love the god awful Orioles, but Seattle is my home, and I love my new home team. Go M’s!

by Poulsbo Lumberjax on May 14, 2010 2:23 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

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