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by Matthew on May 25, 2010 9:40 PM PDT
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Biggest Contributor: Milton Bradley, +.405
Biggest Suckfest: Ichiro Suzuki, -.103
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I love seeing Milton Bradley at DH.
Hopefully Wak sees that this lineup was a success and sticks with it.
by Mataya on May 25, 2010 9:41 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Gutierrez + Bradley
WPA: .608
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by Cantu Easley Winn on May 25, 2010 9:42 PM PDT reply actions
God dammit that's hot
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by Griffin Cooper on May 25, 2010 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Ichiro's annual off night.
Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.
He was a total slacker tonight, but after 9 years, he's entitled to take one off.
by TrustBaseball on May 25, 2010 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions
He was definitely not "on" tonight.
The way he was backing away from outside pitches was just weird.
H backs away from everything
He always has his momentum going towards first base
by d0nkey on May 26, 2010 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Woot.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on May 25, 2010 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm going to go out on a limb here. We are going to do that more often.
Our slow starters may be beginning to come around. Eventually, they have to. There is no reason to believe that this isn’t the start of that. Our starting pitching is sound, defense is there, we’ve just been waiting to get the bats warmed up. I’m still concerned about Loafie at the bat and Josh Wilson in the field, but I think we might have turned a corner tonight. This was definitely the line up that Wak should have been playing all along.
by TrustBaseball on May 25, 2010 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't put money on it.
But I am hopeful, yes.
by Slow Country on May 25, 2010 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the biggest reason to have hope.
Is that we did it against an extremely good pitcher and we didn’t just do it with walks and doilies.
by Hopefulmsfan on May 26, 2010 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions
This was the first game in a long time when I saw the line-up before the game and figured we had a better than even chance of winning.
Fister continues to impress.
You thought we were gonna win versus Verlander? I'm not gonna call you crazy but I'm tempted.
by Edgar for Pres on May 25, 2010 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Verlander has a 70-46 career record and five of those losses are against the M's.
Recognizing that team splits against a single player tend to be a bit ridiculous in the leaps they take, we’ve done well against him in the past.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
For all the talk about how lucky or fortunate Fister has been
That 2-run inning was pretty well pitched and pretty damn unlucky.
He should have gotten out of it without any runs allowed and 3 of of the 4 balls hit touched infield glove. He was close to a 1-2-3 inning, even if the balls were hit hard.
by Kenneth Arthur on May 26, 2010 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions
That's what happens when you're a contact pitcher
It sucks that the Wilson error cost a double play, especially. But with a contact pitcher, you’re going to have innings like that (especially when key defensive spots are being filled with scrubs).
Some of this is, I think, regression from Fister’s awesome BABIP. I’m glad it happened on a night when we still pulled out a win. It’s nice for our SPs to know they don’t have to be perfect, and even if the defense flops occasionally we can still give them some support.
I nominate Doug Fister for a future award he can pick up in 5 years called the
“Fuck You, I told you I could pitch” award. aka the Jamie Moyer Award.
I’m really, really rooting for the guy. He’s gone 7 innings or more in 7 of his last 8 starts and what more can you ask from a guy with his skillset? We saw Carlos Silva pitch in front of this defense last year and he was the worst pitcher in the AL. We’ve watched Snell and RRS pitch in front of this defense. Fister’s stuff isn’t flashy or pretty, but guys have a hard time making good line-drive contact off of him, and he does rely a lot on his defense. But two starts ago I saw him make some filthy strikeouts.
When we start talking about pitching depth in 2011 I’m automatically saying “Well at least we have Felix and Fister”
by Kenneth Arthur on May 26, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Silva had Betancourt at shortstop and Lopez at second.
That’s way worse than either Wilson at short and Figgins on the keystone.
I can't resist clicking "Rec" when I see a post with four [of them] already.
by thehemogoblin on May 26, 2010 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, hey, the M's won with the line-up everyone repeatedly said would work best.
Weird.
Milton Bradley apologist
by sanford_and_son on May 25, 2010 10:30 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
This is a .500 team with Bradley in the lineup
Maybe even better. And it’s a hell of a lot more fun to watch.
FUCK THE MARINERS!
by Fuckmikereilly on May 25, 2010 10:39 PM PDT reply actions
You are so right about this being more fun to watch. I don't want to put any undue pressure on Bradley
but he certainly gives you cause for hope when he’s batting clean-up.
by TrustBaseball on May 25, 2010 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, Fister had been worth 1.4 wins before this game.
Higher now. No way that rate keeps up, but I am so fucking glad Z was smart enough not to sign Washburn.
FUCK THE MARINERS!
by Fuckmikereilly on May 25, 2010 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions
That's an interesting play on words
And creates unpleasant images in my head of Johnson under The Bus.
Eew.
While I'm happy we don't have Washburn
29 other GM’s were “smart enough” to not sign him either.
by Kenneth Arthur on May 26, 2010 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Remember when you sign Washburn you also sign Boras
I’m pretty sure Wash could still be playing baseball if front offices didn’t have to deal with the additional headache.
You can't be a catcher if you can't catch. Rob Johnson will henceforth be listed as a traffic cone on the roster.
I don't know about that.
Scott Boras represents a lot of baseball players with jobs. And I’ve never heard about Washburn wanting a certain amount of money like Jermaine Dye. I won’t be suprised if he shows up on a team in July, but I’m saying Jack Z is no different than the other 29 GM’s who didn’t think he’d upgrade their starting pitching.
by Kenneth Arthur on May 26, 2010 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions
My point is the cost
For Boras you pay a higher premium for a player. You can get a lot of Washburn type talent without having to pay Boras type money, and Dye was an extreme case of asking for too much; Washburn was just getting offers that he didn’t think were up to his standards. The quote I kept seeing was “not getting an acceptable deal”.
You can't be a catcher if you can't catch. Rob Johnson will henceforth be listed as a traffic cone on the roster.
Ugg grammar failure. More coffee before posting next time.
You can't be a catcher if you can't catch. Rob Johnson will henceforth be listed as a traffic cone on the roster.
Yeah. If Washburn wants to play though he'll say "take the minimum" and Boras will have to abide.
I just think its stupid for any of these players to be sitting at home if they really had the opportunity to play and get paid. Jermaine Dye: You can only get 1 of 2 things, ZERO money or 1 million dollars. What are you proving by sitting on your butt? Maybe they’re afraid to show that they really do suck and they at least want to get paid $4 million to show they suck.
by Kenneth Arthur on May 26, 2010 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Except other GM's wanted to sign him (Minnesota offered him 5 million)
Many other just didn’t have the need, and Washburn ruled a lot of them out. And Washburn pursued Seattle. Z definitely showed some smarts in not signing him.
FUCK THE MARINERS!
by Fuckmikereilly on May 26, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Woooo Milton!
Wak needs a newspaper to the nose every time he doesn’t write “Milton Bradley” in the 4th spot on his lineup card. And the next time he writes “Ken Griffey Jr.” anywhere in the starting lineup, Wak can just sleep outside. Not that I don’t like Wak, he just needs some lineup card training.
by Jon S. on May 25, 2010 11:00 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
I really appreciate "newspaper to the nose".
I hope after today it doesn’t come down to that, but if necessary that’s exactly what’s needed.
by TrustBaseball on May 25, 2010 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Offense!
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by Two Rs and Two Ls on May 25, 2010 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
More realistic interpretation by the powers in charge:
We give Saunders a chance and he blows it… he sucks.
Realistic?
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I think it's more likely that they'll say it wasn't his night and move on
One game doesn’t prove anything.
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No it doesn't, but it doesn't seem like they're too high on Saunders.
A couple nights ago, it was Bradley in LF and Griffey at DH… which means that they believe that either Bradley has better defense than Saunders or Griffey has better offense.
Saunders made plays in left that Milton wouldn't have reached tonight
Hopefully Wak notices that. Saunders makes our pitchers look better than Milton.
by skjes on May 26, 2010 7:10 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Griffey has started once in the last 8 days.
Its almost like Wak has been playing dumb for 6 weeks so that our opponents will underestimate us and now is the time to pounce with not-so-stupid decisions in the lineup card and the roster.
Well played Don.
by Kenneth Arthur on May 26, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Justin Verlander is pretty good.
Rob Johnson invented AIDS
by I Lick Squirrels on May 26, 2010 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions
It's so nice having 3-4 hitters who are actually good at hitting.
Rob Johnson invented AIDS
by I Lick Squirrels on May 26, 2010 12:44 AM PDT reply actions
If hot Sweeney had been in there instead of Kotchman it might have been even better.
But, Yay! it’s good to win again.
We'll see if Wak settles on a reasonable line-up
and if some of the hitherto underperforming players (Figgins, Kotchman, Lopez) return to their normal levels of production. I hope so. I hope it’s not just going to be one win every few games. God I would love it if the team beins climbing back towards .500. I want to believe.
(And Get well Mark Lowe. Kelley can’t pitch every day.)
ignacio
As a season-ticket holder,
I am much more excited and willing to head to the ballpark when this lineup is announced. That should be worth something. I can’t be the only one. Coming off of no sleep, I was dreading heading to the ballpark for the evening’s game but seeing that we tried the inconceivable notion that the best available lineup might work, I was looking forward to going. Sure, there was some asshole 12 year old behind me asking “When is Griffey going to bat? Why hasn’t he?” but at some point the smarter fans have to win out.
Also, why do these kids love Griffey? At no point in their existence (or at least a point where they knew what baseball was) was he any good. Ridiculous.
This raises questions about what you do against lefties
Can you, realistically, put Sweeney at 1B to replace the struggling Kotchman? Can either Saunders or Langerhans hit enough to make Langerhans/Saunders LF + Bradley DH better than Bradley LF + Sweeney DH? If you play Mike Sweeney at 1B do his legs explode? Is that a good or bad thing?
So many questions!
You can't be a catcher if you can't catch. Rob Johnson will henceforth be listed as a traffic cone on the roster.
Oh, Milton.
“Detroit made a pitching change, and Bradley just couldn’t stand at first base for long. He raced to the Mariners dugout during the time out.
"He wanted to give us all some love," manager Don Wakamatsu said, laughing.
Had Wakamatsu ever seen it done before?
"No, but I’d like to see a lot more of it," he deadpanned.
Bradley’s explanation was simple.
"The way I was feeling, all that joy, I wanted to share it with my teammates," he said. "Have I done that before? Probably not. I was just full of joy today. I felt right. My mind was clear.""
by msb on May 26, 2010 9:21 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Read that on Twitter... I love him.
Hopefully this is the start of something 2008-like for him.
Fun random B-R facts about Bradley: Last season was the first season since 2003 that he OPS+’d under 100 (he was at 99 last season) and he hasn’t had an OPS under .800 since 2003 (except last season)
by seattlesundevil on May 26, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
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by Cougars Hunt and Kill on May 26, 2010 9:52 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 5 recs
Why did other cities hate him so much?
He’s quickly rising to the top-tier of my favorite M’s from this era.
I like him too.
Since we have only had him a couple months, and he took a 2 week sabbatical, there have been glimpses of bad things and glimpses of good things. I hope that at the end of the season we can still enjoy watching him play. He has a good track record in the AL West
by ambrosia2112 on May 26, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I think most of the hate came from Chicago.
Because when you’ve got 100+ years of not doing shit and then you sign a guy to a 30 million dollar contract and expect him to be something he has never really been (despite his talent, he can’t stay healthy for a full year and expecations of him as a 30-homer, 100-rbi guy are way over the top) and he doesn’t live up to those expectations, they booed the hell out of him. And so he fought back. He hates Chicago for booing him even though he tried his hardest.
by Kenneth Arthur on May 26, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I understand why he gets a lot of love here,
but other cities hate him because he is or was, hopefully was, a batshit insane asshole.
Eyes?
by Jesus Jones on May 27, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
I think Larue got the message
In a weird way, I think teams are loyal to reporters as well… so long as they respect the rules. As much adversity as there can be between the two, they both need each other to thrive.
Awesome lineup again!
Even with Sweeney at 1B… Which I am ok with seeing as how Kotchman can’t get much going right now.
Perhaps more telling? Josh Bard is in there at catcher again. Even a day game after a night game can’t get Rob Johnson a start!
by seattlesundevil on May 26, 2010 10:05 AM PDT reply actions
Where did Loafie's power go?
His box score looks ok. He had a solid single and a sac fly. But, especially with the flyout in the 1st, it looks like his power is just GONE. He pulled it, and really ripped that ball into the gap, but it drifted lazily until the CF turned it into a routine fly ball.
Even his single, which was a “solid” line drive, didn’t have much oomph behind it.
Maybe instead of Grifflent, we should be doing Loaflent. I guess he has 1 HR already, but damned if I know how he managed to yank one out.
It barely scraped the wall in a massive hitters park.
by seattlesundevil on May 26, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Though it was a go-ahead grand slam!
That we ended up losing!
But yeah, he yanked one pitch all year that barely, BARELY, went over the wall.
He’s going to be traded and start hitting 25 HR a year though. I just know it.
by Kenneth Arthur on May 26, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Gonna be tough to find a buyer.
But, who would’ve ever guessed we would get something of value in return for Betancourt?
The Tigers have a Mike Brumley too!
Rob Johnson invented AIDS
by I Lick Squirrels on May 26, 2010 12:47 PM PDT reply actions
Shit wrong thread.
Rob Johnson invented AIDS
by I Lick Squirrels on May 26, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
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