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OT 5/20/10 Heist!

The dread 75!  And I'm off.

Thief or thieves removed 5 painting worth approx. $431 million in Paris.  Reports are of a person entering a window and cutting a lock to gain access to the paintings.  Sounds fairly simple, which is odd.  Nearly half a billion,  probably not black market price but I assume it's the estimated value at auction, to be had by climbing through a window and cutting a lock.  Wow.  BBC link

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Being a fan of heist movies, what some of your favorites?  I'm fond of '70's heist movies, and also the word heist.  Such a great word, it's reminiscent of the sound you might make when picking up something heavy.  The sound of escaping air as you tense your muscles and forcefully exhale as you stand from a squat position.  Heist!  Some words are like that, the physical feel of the word as it is spoken resembling in some fashion the act or meaning of the word itself.  Those kind of words just seem to carry more power.  Which is probably why I hate the word moist.   Anyway, slight digression.

Some favorites Oceans 11, The Heist, The Bank Job (original), The Sting  .  Also an interesting related topic, remakes.  Acknowledged or unacknowledged.  There's one in particular of the second type that escapes me at the moment.  Another good genre, escape movies!

Also, is using the jump for OT work better for some people for whatever reasons?  Mobile or something?

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How do you actually go about selling a stolen work that valuable and famous?

Wouldn’t anyone who purchased it from the thieves and display it immediately be legally complicit by purchasing the stolen goods? I hope the buyer would just let it sit there in his den or something.

by Decatur on May 20, 2010 8:06 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm such a fan of Ray Winstone and the physical presence he brings to the screen.

It was difficult to buy into Ben Kingsley intimidating him. I should watch that again in case it’s one of those movies you just don’t get the first time through.

by Kermit. on May 20, 2010 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Although I must say that the heist that the plot revolves around is totally stupid. Rest of the movie? Actors? Music? Great.

by marc w on May 20, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Heist movies are great

Which is why I hated the new Italian Job so much. That movie stunk.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on May 20, 2010 8:21 AM PDT reply actions  

On a train!

The first one, back in 1903 — The great train robbery and the 1979 Great Train Robbery with Connery.

There is also The train, part war movie, part heist, with an attempt to stop an ERR train of art from leaving France.

by msb on May 20, 2010 8:27 AM PDT reply actions  

Couldn't bring myself to watch it.

My irritation with Travolta overwhelmed my love for Denzel.

by msb on May 20, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

It got not-terrible reviews

and it wasn’t terrible, but it also wasn’t great. Had I never seen the original I would have liked it a lot better I think.

by pdb on May 20, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hmm. the '50s.

Riffifi
Asphalt jungle.
The killing.
Armored Car Robbery.
5 Against the House.
Bob le flambeur
Ladykillers and The Lavender Hill mob
Big Deal On Madonna Street

by msb on May 20, 2010 8:40 AM PDT reply actions  

The Italian Job

was pretty good…and I liked the original as well especially since it ended unresolved. It only took 40 years to find the solution.

No matter where you go, there you are.

by KC Mariner on May 20, 2010 8:59 AM PDT reply actions  

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by lailaihei on May 20, 2010 9:14 AM PDT reply actions  

Speaking of heist films

I have a friend who has been trying for years to remember a film she saw where the would-be robbers timed the heist during an international soccer game, when everyone would be distracted…

by msb on May 20, 2010 9:24 AM PDT reply actions  

Seriously don't see it myself. But I appreciate the compliment!

And I just kicked myself for not keeping a folder of links to some of my favorite comments and sub-threads, there’s been some great ones

by Kermit. on May 20, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

The plan:

Step 1: On the way there, convince them that since Taco Bell is owned by Pepsi Co, they have “better” soda than you can buy in stores.

Step 2: Order only a small soda. Get at least 2 free refills.

Step 3: On the way back convince them that Peta made them pull the chihuahua adds due to “irregularities” inspectors found in their taco meat.

God I’m needy.

by PDXTai on May 20, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Provide entertainment for me.

See if you can get them to “uneat” their lunch.
Spawn an even crazier conspiracy theory.
Really, the sky’s the limit.

by PDXTai on May 20, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Uneat?

Isn’t that a KFC thing?

Charter Member: Dave Sims Sweet Hat Club

by Two Rs and Two Ls on May 20, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

The nearest Taco Bell is like twenty minutes away!

Jesus I am not working late so I can have the express privilege of hanging out with Twilight, Crazy and eating Taco Bell.

by seattlebruin on May 20, 2010 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

They thoroughly plan out going out to lunch

one time Crazy wanted to go to Subway, so she put an 11 AM meeting notice on our calendars… a week in advance. To go to Subway. That’s six blocks from works.

by seattlebruin on May 20, 2010 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

The fuck?

I don’t think I have ever looked forward to going to Subway – much less a week in advance.

by seattlesundevil on May 20, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well at that point, I am looking forward to just about anything.

Luckily, this morning I replenished my snack drawer so I am good to go.

by seattlesundevil on May 20, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ohh, what's in your snack drawer?

I’m looking to improve mine. Normally I go with whatever I can get cheap at Costco or the grocery store.

Now, I thinking I need to go a little healthier.

by PDXTai on May 20, 2010 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Let's see..

A bag of Bugles (I can never find them, so when I see them, MUST get them)
Whatchamacallit (wow, that is actually in the dictionary, no red squiggly line underneath) candy bar
Peanut Butter Twix
Healthy Choice Fresh Mixer
Blueberry Muffin
Coffee Cake
Hostess Donuts
Trail Mix
Granola Bars

Solid mix of healthy and not-so-healthy

by seattlesundevil on May 20, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Where is your office again?

I have a bag of chocolate Dare cookies, but I’m just holding them for a later, greater, section need.

They help when time stands still.

by msb on May 20, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dang.

The flight will take way too long.

by msb on May 20, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Old Tucson is pretty awesome..

Especially the drive out there, if you go west from downtown you end up driving down through Gates Pass which is one of the more breathtaking desert drives in the area.

At Old Tucson during Halloween, they turn the whole place in to one big haunted house kind of thing called Nightfall, which – despite being ridiculously overpriced – is a decent time.

by seattlesundevil on May 20, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Last time I was there I was forced to revisit Old Tucson.

It’s pretty much dead now. I am, in general, not a big fan of my birthplace / hometown.

by royalcurve on May 20, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't know that!

Yeah, I am just counting the years (2 more!) until we can sell our house and move back to Seattle… That’s the goal, anyways!

Neither my wife nor I are fans of Tucson

by seattlesundevil on May 20, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hve you been to Bisbee?

Before you leave Tucson you should get down there, if you haven’t. It’s a fun little town.

by pdb on May 20, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

We have been to Bisbee and Tombstone a couple times

Our daughter loves to watch all of the cowboys walking in the streets and whatnot in Tombstone

by seattlesundevil on May 20, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was so disappointed by Tombstone

The fact that it was de-listed as a historic site says it all, really. I imagine it would be fun as a little kid, but as an adult who is genuinely interested in the history of the Old West and stuff like that, it was ridiculous.

by pdb on May 20, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

The fact that an authentic, actual old graveyard

now has nothing but novelty tombstones with stupid slogans on them (“Joe Smith. Died With His Boots On!”) just kinda made me sick.

by pdb on May 20, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh most definitely!

I was kind of irked that they don’t do gunfights in the streets anymore – you have to pay to go see em now

by seattlesundevil on May 20, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes. Get out of there!

I have no fond memories of it whatsoever. The family lives outside of Green Valley and Sahuarita now, which is even worse. But yes, Bisbee is worth going to!

by royalcurve on May 20, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

We actually live in Vail, which is exponentially better than Tucson

But still, the lack of anything – ANYTHING – do during weekends besides hike. It results in a lot of lazy weekends.

by seattlesundevil on May 20, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

How old is your kid/are your kids?

My nephews are 6 and 4, if your kid(s) are in that range I can check with my sister and see what sorts of things they do and places they go.

by pdb on May 20, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

My sister had her first in May of 2004

so for the first five months of his life all he really knew was the inside of the house, the car, and the grocery store.

Why people choose to live in Tucson is a thing I will never know.

by pdb on May 20, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

First job out of college!

Then bought a house which we have to stay in for 3 years to avoid paying back the homebuyer tax credit…

by seattlesundevil on May 20, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, my sister's only down there

because her husband got a job with Raytheon. I will say that it took them about three years to be OK with living down there, but as they say now (9 years in), they’ve made their peace with Tucson.

by pdb on May 20, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would agree.

My grandparents live right outside of Tucson, and when my family visited them we visited Old Tucson. It was an awesome drive down through the pass with a great view of the town.

by seattle_since_81 on May 20, 2010 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

All tasty choices.

I think I need something with less sugar though as I get the 3pm crash unless I counter it with a ton of caffeine.

If I had hostess donuts in my snack drawer, my keyboard would look like a flocked Christmas tree.

by PDXTai on May 20, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

I feel grateful that I don't:

- have a sweet tooth
- have a workplace in which to have a snack drawer

by royalcurve on May 20, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Some believe that eating lots of small meals is more healthy than a few big ones.

I did that for a while and it seemed to work but it’s a PITA to plan out 6+ meals a day.

I found it easier to just eat smaller meals.

by PDXTai on May 20, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think it actually is healthier, but when I snack, I end up eating stuff like chips and Cheez-its anyway

so whatever benefit I’m getting from not stuffing myself, I’m losing in eating bad food with no nutritional value

But good lord Cheez-its are yummy

by seattlebruin on May 20, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Peanut M&Ms are my downfall

I ended up going to the trail mix to try wean myself off them.

You could try doing the healthy snack thing (fruit, raw veggies, etc.) I tried that for a while. Of course, right after I ate an apple my mouth would say “damn, that sucked. I need a crapload of M&Ms to make up for what you just put me through.”

by PDXTai on May 20, 2010 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

cheeeeeeeeeezzzzz-itttttttsssss.

sigh.

all I have at the moment are boring pretzel sticks.

by msb on May 20, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

AAAWWWWWWW YYYYEEEAAAAHH

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on May 20, 2010 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

(Cue 70s porn music, mexicano backbeat)

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on May 20, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just... Can't... Think outside the buns.

"I might be a butt hoarder...speed skating butts that is." - wazzu93

by kevin_ess on May 22, 2010 2:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

But think of the hilarity you might observe!

and then share with us…

They might have very specific methods of putting hot sauce on burritos.
They might say things like “my taco isn’t very moist, is yours?” that would please my inner 12 year old.
They will do something so far out there that none of us could have foreseen it.

It’s like a slump buster lite threesome!

If you go, I guarantee the Mariners will win another game this year. If you don’t go, I can’t make that guarantee.

C’mon, jump on a grenade for the team!

by PDXTai on May 20, 2010 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm Asian. I never met a real, honest to goodness dumbass until college.

Maybe there’s some sort of undiscovered natural law at work here?

by PDXTai on May 20, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wow. I mean, just... wow.

I’m working to cut down on useless comments, but good lord. Seriously? Growing up in Easter Oregon and Washington limits your exposure to various communities but c’mon already. How do you do that

by Kermit. on May 20, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ok, but where was this place. There were Japanese people farming all over the place in S. E. Oregon.

And at the time that area was white as rice. Maybe she meant didn’t know personally? Or she actually never saw an Asian person

by Kermit. on May 20, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

If this is the Pennsylvania one, I can see how she hadn't.

I lived in rural PA for a couple years and I never saw an asian person unless I went to Philly.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on May 20, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just remembered there was an internment camp in our area during WWII

And quite a few of them settled in the area after being released. So that would account for my experience

by Kermit. on May 20, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I moved from Hong Kong (pop. 6,000,000) to Hood River, Oregon (pop 4,300) in 1981.

I was in 7th grade. Most of my classmates had never been more than 100 miles from home either. I was pretty shocked at their world view.

by PDXTai on May 20, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Isn't she from some buttass part of Pennsylvania?

When i went to Iowa, I met people from states that had never met an Asian person either.

Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.

by JAH on May 20, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

You should absolutely do this.

If nothing else, you could write an absurdist movie about your lunch with Crazy and Twilight at the Taco Bell and the ridiculous escapades that ensued.

by Chris Hafner on May 20, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Since the Ms are so terrible lately, I was hoping that the golden age of LL would return.

But the terrible commenters are still terrible. Man, that junkshot letter post has got me so angry. I need to take a break for a bit and get my blood pressure down.

by Eyebrows on May 20, 2010 10:34 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

I loved Usual Suspects.

What about Inside Man with Denzel, Clive Owen and Jodie Foster?

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on May 20, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

It is well known how much I love The Jam

but every time I hear this song I love it even more than the last time I heard it. I haven’t had an intensive Jam-listening session for a while, I think it’s time to pull out All Mod Cons and listen to it 10 times in a row.

by pdb on May 20, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

It seems a bit didactic, though, like, "Well, a bit of Paul Weller and you'll be less of a tool. Worked for me!"

When in fact you’re not a tool at all, and I’m not convinced that just listening to All Mod Cons can save a person from tooldom.

by marc w on May 20, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would never imply that royalcurve is a tool

except maybe a sawsall because that is the most awesome tool in the history of tooldom. But still.

by pdb on May 20, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I still want to watch a game at Dantes.

Any interest? To get your attention, here is Greg Zaun

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on May 20, 2010 11:35 AM PDT reply actions  

Someone's going to have to draw that out for the rest of us, because I don't get it.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on May 20, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

The hat in silhouette reminded me of Clint Eastwood in TGTBTU

and the white shading uncer the middle of the bottom horizontal of the Z looks like Donald Duck’s bottom half, with the not-clint-eastwood legs sticking out under it.

by pdb on May 20, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I still don't get it, but most everyone else probably will.

I don’t see things in clouds either, they look like clouds to me.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on May 20, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

If someone asks me what a cloud looks like to me

I typically say “rain”. Bloom County warped my ability to give serious answers to such questions.

by pdb on May 20, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

There's comics in newspapers?

Huh. Quaint.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on May 20, 2010 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

There used to be

and there was even a Bloom County strip about the decreasing size of the comic strip in the American newspaper due to the desperate need for papers to have more ad space so they wouldn’t go broke. in the mid 1980’s.

by pdb on May 20, 2010 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

A vote for How To Steal A Million

And the show Hu$tle was/is great. It was on AMC for a while and I’d watch it Sunday nights. Packed with heists. I highly recommend you find some and watch some.

by RunningFool on May 20, 2010 12:00 PM PDT reply actions  

This should go without saying for all films

although the kids call it “widescreen” these days.

by pdb on May 20, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

There's widescreen and then WIDEscreen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspect_ratio_%28image%29

You can still get letterboxing on a widescreen TV, provided you find a DVD not “enhanced” for 16:9 (1.78:1). Cinema movies, especially those shot before digital, were shot in 70mm mode, which comes out to a 1.85:1 aspect ratio.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on May 20, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

For some reason, whenever I hear "heist" I think of The Great Muppet Caper.

And the scene that sticks out is Charles Grodin wrestling with Miss Piggy.

by Chris Hafner on May 20, 2010 12:01 PM PDT reply actions  

If you like heist movies

you have to read the book You Can’t Win by Jack Black. No, not THAT Jack Black. Nothing like the story of a traveling Johnson safecracker.

by Ballard Erik on May 20, 2010 12:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Now on the Amazon book list. Found this book online while looking for a history of Willie Sutton.

He was a notorious thief and is credited with the famous quote (when asked why he robbed banks) “Because that’s where the money is”.

But this looks interesting, Charles Sutton. The New York Tombs: Its Secrets and Its Mysteries. Looks like then entire thing is online, neato.

by Kermit. on May 20, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also an interesting book:

Confessions of a Master Jewel Thief. It’s an incredibly disillusioning book. Turns out getting rich stealing valuable things isn’t as glamorous as Hollywood makes it.

by harkening on May 20, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jewel thief reminds me-- Michael Mann's Thief

with its acting and consulting performance by retired jewel thief John Santucci— best remembered for Crime story, though.

by msb on May 20, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Heist movies!

Mainstream, but Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels and Snatch are eminently quotable and fun. Also Sneakers (Robert Redford keeps showing up in heist stuff), and a Fish Called Wanda are fun, comedy oriented, entries in the genera.

You can't be a catcher if you can't catch. Rob Johnson will henceforth be listed as a traffic cone on the roster.

by Drew_D on May 20, 2010 12:26 PM PDT reply actions  

I love Sneakers because SPOILER ALERT

…random James Earl Jones sighting at the end.

Also, it’s generally a pretty good movie.

by harkening on May 20, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes! He shows up in some odd places

Also one of the last movies River Pheonix did.

My favorite heist movies seem more comedy oriented. I’m not sure if it qualifies, but Three Kings is excellent. I also always end up watching Kelley’s Heroes for some reason, even though it’s not that good. I think it’s the tanks.

You can't be a catcher if you can't catch. Rob Johnson will henceforth be listed as a traffic cone on the roster.

by Drew_D on May 20, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh hell Kelley's Heroes is genius, funny movie.

I’m not sure if Paint Your Wagon counts as a pure heist movie, but those are two terrific Eastwood films.

by Kermit. on May 20, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes! And it ages surprisingly well

A lot of the spaghetti western stuff doesn’t sadly.
Back on heist movies, can’t believe I left out Reservoir Dogs.

You can't be a catcher if you can't catch. Rob Johnson will henceforth be listed as a traffic cone on the roster.

by Drew_D on May 20, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just realized the Champions League final should have been yesterday

Stupid UEFA always messing this damn thing up. Two weeks between quarterfinal legs, moving the final from Wednesday to Saturday…I’d say “is nothing sacred” but since the Champions League has only been in this ridiculous incarnation for about 5 years the answer obviously is no.

by pdb on May 20, 2010 12:49 PM PDT reply actions  

What?

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on May 20, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

A snake is going to eat his ticket!!!!

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on May 20, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Wheeeee!!


Braves come back from down 9-2 in the bottom of the ninth to win on a walk of grand slam that bounces off the fielders glove.

And yet, I feel nothing.

by PDXTai on May 20, 2010 2:39 PM PDT reply actions  

So not sure if this counts as an escape movie, but Victory is one of my favorite movies.

I like when Pele describes how he is going to score. All the heist movies I have enjoyed have been listed already.

by seattle_since_81 on May 20, 2010 6:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Luke Hockey-vor, says the KJR update guy.

btw, turns out they will be counter-acting 710’s John Clayton on Saturday mornings with the return of Jeff Aaron.

by msb on May 20, 2010 6:06 PM PDT reply actions  

The Fisherman is back?

Man it used to be fun listening to the interactions between he and Tracy Taylor.

How does Brumley still have a job?

by ToddK on May 21, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

First bushwhacking/backpacking trip of the year this weekend

So I’m spending the weekend sleeping in the woods somewhere on a hammock, under a tarp, off the beaten path hopefully. My party has several places in mind, but we haven’t decided 100%. It’ll just be a weekend trip, hopefully off the a trail somewhere, probably camping closer the car tomorrow night, and hike a few hours the next (I can’t leave work until noon).

I have newbies coming with, so nothing too crazy. No hiking the trail at night looking for animals, or sleeping in the wilderness. No playing Bigfoot or injured calls in hopes of a response :(

I’m excited to get a few trips in this year. I want to ride my bike somewhere this summer and stealth camp along the way, going ultra light and eating at stops along the way, keeping it minimal. I also want to spend 1 whole week on the trail somewhere.

One thing I really want do test out some real winter camping. I’m not interested in week long snow trips, not now at least. I’ve camped in the snow, and other crazy weather quite a few times, but not honest goodness harsh mountain winter weather, I want to try it once or twice from somewhere safe before committing to the real deal.

I either want to get a backpacking Teepee, or maybe try a snow shelter, possibly try my hammock and make a Reflectix, with a Thermarest and my 5 degree bag (or get a colder one). If I get the Teepee I want a wood stove in it. I’ve seen a hammock tent that has a wood stove on the internet, not sure I’d get that, but that looks interesting too.

Anyone into that kind of stuff?

by chrisisasavage on May 20, 2010 8:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Somewhat into that stuff, though not as extreme as what you're describing.

Exactly what are you looking for from your winter camping experience? What’s your end goal? I’d suggest a multi-day igloo camp if you have never done that. It’s quite fun, and while building an igloo takes enough of the day that you’re not likely to get particularly far away from civilization, it is a good test of your gear. The igloos themselves are fairly warm, but you’re living in a sea of moisture – sweat and snow immersion as you’re building it, and then slow melt inside. It puts your gear and your ability to stay dry to the test, and that’s pretty valuable no matter what kind of winter camping experience you’re trying to build towards. Unfortunately, we are now out of that season.

I’ve seen people using the ultra-light teepees before, but I’ve never quite understood the attraction. Why not just use a tarp and some trekking poles? Seems lighter, more versatile, and more flexible; but I freely admit I could be missing something.

by Chris Hafner on May 21, 2010 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Anyone else considering deleting their facebook?

I don’t trust Zuckerberg with my information, they are an immoral (not amoral) company, and it provides literally no value that other services don’t do better.
Once I backupify all my pictures, it will be vitually dead to me and I won’t use it any more and may disable or delete it.

by lailaihei on May 20, 2010 9:44 PM PDT reply actions  

I just recently posted these reasons on facebook to get an opinion.

My reasons:

1) Time consuming.
2) Promotes misunderstandings.
3) Annoying changes making privacy less private
4) Constant reminder of the friends not in your life.
5) See updates from people you may want in your life.
6) Defriending always seems personal.
7) Dependency on Facebook for contacting people.

Others? I don’t think I could delete it because #7 is true for so many different people I know, but I already used leachblock to ensure I don’t check it as often. Now if I want to use facebook I have to go through my phone or open Internet Explorer (which I don’t do).

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on May 20, 2010 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

5)!!!

I am fucking sick of liking someone’s status and then seeing five updates roll into my inbox that say nothing more insightful than “YAAAAAAY”.

But I’m stuck on 7) because I don’t have cell phone reception in my apartment so.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on May 20, 2010 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I really hate the privacy thing.

I created facebook so I could have conversations with my friends and keep up with them.
Now any third party that wants can go through and access my information more readily than I can.

by lailaihei on May 21, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Its funny how you bring this up now.

I was just considering the exact same think recently, and it looks like I’m not alone.

I’m just sick of having myself and my information so readily available and that the whole world has now forgotten that two years ago, they were getting along just fine without facebook. That we are now so out of touch with everybody because we so constantly “in touch” with them on facebook. It’s pathetic. And No, I don’t want to be friends with some of these people, I recently deleted 40 “friends” and yet, I’m not a dickesh enough to delete somebody who I went to high school with and sometimes “likes” my status update, so I feel bad but in reality “who the fuck are you? If I ran into you at the mall, I would not even stop and say Hi”

Yet, I can’t get over #7. I have a friend back in Washington who has been having lots of troubles lately and now doesn’t have a phone. It’s basically the ONLY way I can get in touch with him. And what if that happens again. And because I can not delete my facebook, I do go on there everyday because its there and somewhat entertaining when I’m entirely bored.

by Kenneth Arthur on May 21, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

To fill downtime we used to write our own epitaphs.

My favorite for worst (I was a commercial diver at the time so it was fitting): “Alas, his lungs were too moist”

by Kermit. on May 21, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

"Kermit just really, really liked dudes."

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by kevin_ess on May 22, 2010 2:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Has anybody been watching ESPN's 30 for 30 series?

I hate ESPN, I think they’ve done more bad things for sports than good, but I gotta say they’ve done a really nice job with this series. I just watched the one about the LA Raiders last night, and while I couldn’t care less about football it was a really interesting story. I also liked the one about the Colts’ move from Baltimore, and I think my favorite one so far has been the Reggie Miller one.

by pdb on May 21, 2010 8:17 AM PDT reply actions  

I've seen a few and its really, really good.

If its the same as the Ricky Williams one, then I think the best decision is that they’re letting other non-ESPN people direct the shows. Either way, interesting stuff.

by Kenneth Arthur on May 21, 2010 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I need to get the Ricky Williams one, I missed that one.

It’s the same series. Bill Simmons exec produces the series, which is again a pleasant surprise as I wasn’t sure he was capable of making something without a Shawshank reference.

by pdb on May 21, 2010 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Though Simmons is Boston through and through, I do love his writing.

He’s about the only reason I go to ESPN’s website anymore, and even then last night was the first time I went to the website in a long, long time so that I could watch the Braves highlights.

The U of Miami one was decent, only because late-80’s college football was amazing.

by Kenneth Arthur on May 21, 2010 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

I used to love his writing

but he, like a lot of successful pop-culture writers (I’m looking at you Chuck Klosterman!), has fallen into the trap of both loving the sound of his own voice too much and of not straying outside his comfort zone any more. I like his stuff OK but I only need to read it once or twice a year at this point.

by pdb on May 21, 2010 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Very well said.

I also think he has an issue with confirmation bias; he analyzes events through the lens of what he believes. Very frustrating.

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by Cablinasian on May 21, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Simmons is a love-him or hate-him kind of guy, but he was a perfect choice to produce this series.

He’s not exactly a hard-news reporter, but I think that’s a good thing in this case. He has enough of the fan mindset that he understands whether a story is truly compelling. It’s much better in this case to have somebody passionate making decisions on what they find interesting.

by Chris Hafner on May 21, 2010 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is exactly why I love these shows

the Raiders one is a great example of that – to get Ice Cube and Snoop walking around the Coliseum, talking about what it meant to them as kids to be Raiders fans, was genius, and a more academic/less pop-culturey producer would have never thought of that.

The reason I loved the Baltimore one so much is that it was told from the perspective of the Colts’ marching band – when I heard that I thought “wow this is going to be boring” but it was an amazingly cool story of fan loyalty and dedication.

He picks fantastic directors and lets them do their thing, which is why these work so well.

by pdb on May 21, 2010 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Baltimore one was brilliant, and I liked the Bird/Magic one as well.

Are these avail. on-line or anything? I missed the Reggie Miller episode.

by marc w on May 21, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

They did a Bird/Magic one?

Because I saw a Bird/Magic doc on HBO and I don’t see that being topped. At least I think it was on HBO.

by Kenneth Arthur on May 21, 2010 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bird/Magic was fantastic.

Ahh, the glory days when the NBA meant something to me.

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by kevin_ess on May 22, 2010 2:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Years of ESPN's existence.

Simmons chose one compelling story from each year of ESPN’s existence up to this point – not an obvious story like a team winning a trophy, but a deeper story – and assigned it to a director with some connection to the town or story. Barry Levinson directed the Colts one, Ice Cube the Raiders, etc. They show them every couple weeks and I’m assuming it will lead to some big 30th anniversary party this year or something.

by pdb on May 21, 2010 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I heard the Raiders one was a little disappointing

it was more about how the Raiders affects Ice Cube or something and less about the Raiders themselves.

Only one I’ve watched was The U which was good.

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by bluemax on May 21, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

It was about the Raiders in the same way that The U was about the Hurricanes

It examined the Raiders’ time in LA from a cultural perspective, about what the Raiders meant to LA, and about how the crossover between rap and music was really started by NWA and the Raiders, and about how LA reacted to the Raiders. Ice Cube shared a lot of stories, sure, but it wasn’t about Ice Cube at all except as it related to NWA.

The jumping-off point was when Cube talked about how he was a huge Raider (not Rams) fan growing up, then they announced they were moving to LA and it changed his life. So he started exploring how it changed LA as well. It’s really well done.

by pdb on May 21, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like how we just refer to him as "Cube"

As a matter of fact, I’m amazed how nobody in the last 30 years has ever questioned calling rappers by made up names.

And you couldn’t refer to him as “Ice” because of the other Ice’s in the world.

by Kenneth Arthur on May 21, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

I've set them up to record on my DVR.

I’ve liked all of them, but my favorites have been the USFL one (because of Trump), Ricky Williams, Allan Iverson, Len Bias (be sure to have tissues by you for this one) and the South Africa rugby one. I haven’t watched Invictus, but from the reviews I’ve heard I think the 30 for 30 doc was better done. I was really excited to watch all of them when I heard what they were doing. I’m looking forward to the one that Steve Nash is doing about Terry Fox running across Canada. I think it’s going to be a powerful one.

by seattle_since_81 on May 21, 2010 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Go to google

it’s Pac-Man’s 30th birthday. They have a playable tribute in place of the Google logo. Complete with sound.

by pdb on May 21, 2010 8:18 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

How to play Pac Man or how to play this version?

Either way, it’s easy. Click in the image on the google page to start. Use the arrow keys to move the little yellow guy around and eat the dots, while avoiding the ghosts. The big dots make you unkilliable for a few seconds.

by pdb on May 21, 2010 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ok, a lot of dead Pac-man's later ...

I don’t think I have the knack of this

by msb on May 21, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I blow at Mario. Eyebrows was as patient with me as he could be, under the circumstances

(The circumstances being that Eyebrows is competitive and has extraordinary hand / eye coordination)

by royalcurve on May 21, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mario is fun

but old-school Megaman is just plain sadistic.

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by Two Rs and Two Ls on May 21, 2010 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pffft.

Lacking anything better to do this week, I played Mega Man 3 through 6 to see if I could do it without using a continue. I nearly made it through 6 without losing a life.

Now, Mega Man 1 and 2, those were sadistic.

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by JY on May 21, 2010 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

1 is the worst

because it was an arcade game originally so it was designed to keep you feeding quarters.

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by bluemax on May 21, 2010 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

That would explain the point system.

I’m pretty sure I would not be able to beat that game if not for the magnet beam and even now I can only barely beat it before reaching my frustration threshold.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on May 21, 2010 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pause glitch with Elec Man's weapon

is the only thing that helps me get through.

I hate that every remake of the game took it out. Although MMPU wasn’t too bad.

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by bluemax on May 21, 2010 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mostly, I hate that the B and A buttons have reversed functionality in Anniversary.

Boy does that take some getting used to.

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by JY on May 21, 2010 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

On the PS2 version?

It’s been a year or two since I last played it.

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by bluemax on May 21, 2010 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gamecube.

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by JY on May 21, 2010 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am in awe.

My favorite sadistic Megaman thing is Dustman Stage, MM4. You’re going along the stage just fine and you have to leap over a chasm just like you have to do in any platformer ever.

Next thing you know, a torpedo shoots from the middle of the chasm, intercepts you mid-air, and kills you… and you can’t time the jump, because the torpedo times you. You have to know that it’s there first to get around it.

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by Two Rs and Two Ls on May 24, 2010 4:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

I now have a Wii, Xbox and PS3.

With apologies to the non gamers, I would like some recommendations for new games. I am set for Wii pretty much.
On Xbox I just completed Mass Effect 2 and have enjoyed the likes of Bioshock and Call of Duty. Not much for Left 4 Dead. I do plan on getting this horseshoe game thingy mentioned upthread for PS3. Ok, go.

by royalcurve on May 21, 2010 10:57 AM PDT reply actions  

Hmm

Fallout 3 maybe? You seem to like shooter/rpg hybrids and that’s the best one you haven’t mentioned.

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by bluemax on May 21, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Those are the only kinds of games I've played, to be honest.

Well, wait. First games I got for Xbox were Lego, which I loved. I went straight from Lego Star Wars to Call of Duty. I cannot WAIT for Lego Harry Potter. But Fallout! Sure! Why not.

by royalcurve on May 21, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

I know you said you're set for Wii but have you tried Wii Sports Resort yet?

It’s got frisbee! It’s got archery! And skydiving! It’s cool.

by pdb on May 21, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nope, haven't! I wonder if I have that.

(There is a new person living in the house and he hasn’t unpacked his boxes of games yet)

by royalcurve on May 21, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

I haven't played Alan Wake yet (because horseshoes!), but it's supposed to be pretty good.

For PS3, I think LittleBigPlanet is probably the cutest game in the history of anything. And it’s a lot of fun. And Killzone 2 if you like the shooters.

by Teej on May 21, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Resident Evil 5

Is tons of fun—especially if you have a buddy you can co-op the campaign mode with.

by HititHere on May 21, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

I want to play it!

But i’ve heard they fucked the item system :(

Anyway, I’ve been playing Resident Wiivil of late…

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by JY on May 21, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know!

I have have one of the rail shooters, but I haven’t played it yet.

Their decision to port Zero to the Wii when it could already play the Gamecube disc was straight up retarded though, particularly when it was just adapting the controls and not turning it into a crosshair shooter like they did when the moved up 4. Why the hell does Capcom pour money into doing pointless shit like this when we can’t get Square to localize Seiken Densetsu 3 or Front Mission 5, or Tecmo to bring in Fatal Frame 4. I wanted to play that on the Wii too! ARG.

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by JY on May 21, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fatal Frame 4 got a fan translation

If you have a hacked Wii its pretty easy to come by I think.

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by bluemax on May 21, 2010 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd need to hack it, that's the issue.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on May 21, 2010 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

On June 1st Obsidian is releasing Alpha Protocol

an espionage RPG using the Mass Effect 1 build of the Unreal engine. I’m insanely excited for it.

by BrianL on May 21, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am going to see MacGruber and The Room

I am expecting them both to be awful but the good kind of awful. Anyone else watch awful movies intentionally just for the laughs?

by Mariner John on May 21, 2010 11:11 AM PDT reply actions  

Not that you can believe everything critics say.

But I’m disappointed that I keep hearing “Awful movie, doesn’t understand what funny is” about MacGruber.

by Kenneth Arthur on May 21, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's a movie made from a Saturday Night Live character

those movies rarely, if ever, work. Blues Brothers was about the only one that I found amusing, but I wouldn’t go so far as to call it a “good” movie.

by pdb on May 21, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Awesome on the show, painful for 90 minutes

I really wanted to like that movie. I did, for about 20 minutes, and then it just got annoying. Little did I know that was less about Wayne’s World than about Mike Myers in general.

by pdb on May 21, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Do you have any movies that everybody says are great but never got around to watching and possibly won't until you're 65?

That’s how I am with Blues Brothers. That and anything Monty Python. I don’t have anything AGAINST the movies, I just have never gotten around to it.

by Kenneth Arthur on May 21, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

The gold standard answer I always give for this question

Casablanca YES I’VE NEVER SEEN CASABLANCA AND I’M A HORRIBLE PERSON FOR IT SUE ME

by pdb on May 21, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I only had to watch Casablanca three years ago for a screenwriting thing I was doing.

It’s whatever.

I promise the world I will never watch Gone With the Wind. Four fucking hours? Who are all the people that are sitting through four hours of a movie?

by Kenneth Arthur on May 21, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

The worst part is I managed a video store for six years and still never saw it

GWTW is about the same. I’ve seen it, it’s OK, don’t get what all the fuss is about.

Who are all the people that are sitting through four hours of a movie?

please tell me you’ve not seen any of the Lord Of The Rings movies.

by pdb on May 21, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes.. I did watch those. But I can understand LOTR over GWTW because of genre.

Yes, the last 12 hours of Return of the King were the worst 12 hours of my life.

I worked at Hollywood Video for about 6 months and watched about 250 movies during that time and you still can’t get around to all of them. And yes, I sounded like quite a loser right there for watching that many movies.

by Kenneth Arthur on May 21, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Gone With the Wind is terrible.

Just fucking terrible. The mere thought of that movie makes me angry.

by Aaron Campeau on May 21, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

It reminds me of the Wizard of Oz and The Sound of Music.

They are on broadcast TV about once a year and my wife has to watch it just because. I have to leave the room.

by Jed MC on May 21, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I still love The Wizard of Oz. But I cannot stand The Sound of Music.

Gone With the Wind is a 4-hour Civil War soap opera. Except it has Clark Gable!

And Olivia de Havilland, but not as Maid Marion Fitzwalter.

by harkening on May 21, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Few actresses annoy me as much as Julie Andrews.

I like her singing voice, but all the songs in The Sound of Music and Mary Poppins make me something something. Then I was repeatedly exposed to the Princess Diary movies which filled me with hatred for her and Anne Hathaway.

by Jed MC on May 21, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

As an unabashed musical theatre geek,

I will always stand behind Julie Andrews. And Anne Hathaway is, shockingly, starting to redeem herself in my eyes. The Devil Wears Prada and Rachel Getting Married have her growing up quite a bit. It’s good to see.

by harkening on May 21, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

If I could throw one person out of Hollywood and fame it would be Anne Hathaway.

She is such a phoney. I don’t mean to disagree with you on another topic – but she absolutely horrifies me. I’ve never seen somebody who in interviews was so sure she deserved to be a mega-star and was so sure of how talented she was. At least other famous people usually pretend to be humble. She thinks she’s saving lives out there.

by Kenneth Arthur on May 21, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't have any specific experience with Hathaway's alleged egotism, but in general I don't have a problem with this.

Would it truly be that much better if she pretended to be humble? Pretended humility annoys me much more than sincere egotism.

As far as Hathaway as an actress, I actually rather like her – as harkening says, she’s beginning to show a bit more range. Besides, she was in one of Andy Samberg’s MTV Movie Awards shorts. It wasn’t as funny as “Slaughter Shack,” but whatever.

by Chris Hafner on May 21, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I first realized how awful she was during an interview before the Oscars with her and 5 other nominees.

They were all sitting roundtable and discussing the industry. I can’t remember everyone in there: Robert Downey Jr, Hathaway, Pitt, Frank Langella, oh and the british girl from that british comedy that everybody seemed to like, really skinny girl.
Now, you have two examples of not pretending to be humble:
Robert Downey Jr and Anne Hathaway.

Downey Jr does love himself, but he says “I did Operation Dumbo Drop for the money. They were paying me x amount of dollars for 2 months of work” I can respect the shit out of that honesty.

With Hathaway its just as honest, but its more like she’s saying “We are amazing people. Without us there would be no movies and without movies there would be no happiness and everyone would kill themselves” not in so many words.

I just want her to see the error of her ways and 9 times out of 10 female actresses are washed up by 30 and i hope that happens to her. Enjoy your TNT Drama in 2017.

by Kenneth Arthur on May 21, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

O Brother Where Art Thou and The Big Lebowski

I love Coen Brothers movies, and I’ve heard they’re both completely excellent, but every time I’m ridiculed for having not seen them, my resolve to petulantly wait to see them grows stronger.

by Chris Hafner on May 21, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

O Brother is whatever.

The Big Lebowski however… I won’t put you through what you’ve obviously been through over and over again.

by Kenneth Arthur on May 21, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Skit shows are not generally awful

Monty Python is the gold standard, SCTV was inspired, and Kids In The Hall was fantastic. American skit shows are pretty fucking awful.

by pdb on May 21, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes but the most popular ones are fucking awful.

SNL has been on for what, 30 years, and how many actual hours of laughter do they provide? I admit I find some of the stuff, a few of the years, and a handful of the cast members, to be good or even great. But they are batting like .095.

MADtv is total shit.

In Living Color was pathetic.

I want to kill my 12 year old self for having loved these shows.

by Kenneth Arthur on May 21, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Its what happened to me.

They should not air it on any channel anymore and I ran across it one day. Big mistake.

by Kenneth Arthur on May 21, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is a good position to take

I wouldn’t say it’s pathetic, but I loved that show when it was on – I rewatched a bunch a few seasons ago and it…hasn’t aged well.

by pdb on May 21, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fair point.

I bought the first season on DVD a couple of years ago but only got a few episodes in. It was great for its time, but the jokes were pretty era-specific.

by Teej on May 21, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

It was a great show, but so heavily latched to pop culture of the time that it just can’t have aged well.

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by tootthekazoo on May 21, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

It even felt that way at the time. Not a bad thing, and I taped every episode of the first 2 seasons,

but I just don’t think I could stomach some of it now, just like I don’t think I could get through a pack of Big League Chew now.

by marc w on May 21, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder how Parker Lewis Can't Lose aged.

I’m pretty sure the master copies have been thrown into an oven. No one seems to want to admit it existed.

by Teej on May 21, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was just thinking of that show, because I'd argue that no show of that era was more influential

than PLCL. Just the visual style of it that seemed so weird at the time is now everywhere. I think Scrubs got a huge boost from people who watched Parker Lewis 10-15 years before.

by marc w on May 21, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Never really thought of that.

Honestly, I don’t remember that much about it. It was off the air by the time I was 10 or 11. But I do remember it being very colorful and the camera was never more than three feet away from a face.

by Teej on May 21, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

The quick cuts to 'things the character is daydreaming about' were odd to a lot of people

and thought it worked well for kids who had no attention spans. And then Ally McBeal came out and people lost their shit.

by marc w on May 21, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

The English make a good skit show

I haven’t seen the latest season, but Armstrong and Miller has some hilarious shit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwNQf08Kxsw

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by Drew_D on May 21, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, sketch shows are always a bit hit and miss

Armstrong and Miller’s is one of the better ones, I think.

Big Train is my personal favourite

by Eyeball Kid on May 21, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mr. Show.

For my tastes, there’s never been a better sketch comedy show. But I say that as someone who has seen way too little Python.

by Teej on May 21, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is how un-Pythonian I am.

I am not aware of there “sketch show”

by Kenneth Arthur on May 21, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

And in all honesty it's better than the movies in a lot of ways

If you have any interest in watching Monty Python sketches, start here. If you find this funny, search YouTube for more Monty Python; if not, move on with your life because this is a good example of the sense of humor that Python has – if you don’t like this sketch, you probably won’t like much Python.

by pdb on May 21, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

If that doesn't suit you

Might I humbly submit the following for your approval
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltmMJntSfQI

You can't be a catcher if you can't catch. Rob Johnson will henceforth be listed as a traffic cone on the roster.

by Drew_D on May 21, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mr. Show was so damn good and actually tried something different by tying them together.

I also will mention The State. Not because i have seen it, because I haven’t. But Wet, Hot American Summer is one of the best films ever made and so The State can’t be all bad.

by Kenneth Arthur on May 21, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bought the State box set last year.

Sadly, it’s not quite as good as I remember, but they do get bonus points for being really creative with their comedy. I can’t believe MTV let them do something like that.

And all those guys are still around doing great stuff, from Reno 911 to Stella to Michael and Michael.

by Teej on May 21, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

That Mitchell & Webb Look has its moments of inspiration.

Some skit shows are great; they just have to actually, you know, be funny.

by Chris Hafner on May 21, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I really enjoyed UCB

Their live act wasn’t half bad either. although the cast was pretty variable from what you saw on Upright Citizen’s Brigade the show. Please disregard this opinion if you don’t care for foul-mouthed improv.

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by Drew_D on May 21, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Time Machine episode and Cyborgs episode were brilliant.

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by JY on May 21, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hole in the Sheet and Bucket of Truth are timeless skit classics

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by Drew_D on May 21, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

"DON'T YOU THINK I KNOW THAT?!?"

Or whatever he said.

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by JY on May 21, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pro Thunderball still makes me laugh.

IT IS FORBIDDEN TO USE THE GUN IN THE GUN CIRCLE!

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by JAH on May 21, 2010 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

All the time.

I think I’m going to need to see The Room.

by marc w on May 21, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Room is fantastic

Better to watch with friends so you can riff on it though.

by OlSalty on May 21, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

That is the plan!

I watched LIttle Nicky on my own recently and… ugh.

by Mariner John on May 21, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Luckily it's nothing like that

This movie was literally made by a guy who’s not all there. It’s not funny because it’s bad, it’s funny because it’s completely insane.

by OlSalty on May 21, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

He said something about selling Italian suits or something, he's never actually come out with the truth of where he got 6 million dollars.

Most of the money went to putting up a billboard in LA for 5 years advertising the movie.

It’s awesome that the movie is so insane, and so is he. Either that or he is brilliant, another Andy Kaufman, he’’s too good to be true.

by Kenneth Arthur on May 21, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes but not at theater in LA prices

On basic cable channels? Sure.

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by bluemax on May 21, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

The second sequel is okay

except for the fact that they tease mechs midway through the movie and then you don’t see them until the last 5 minutes of the movie.

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by bluemax on May 21, 2010 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I totally love that movie

It’s one of those ones that I am completely obligated to watch whenever it’s on TV, even though the TV edit is complete shit

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on May 21, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I actually had to leave I hated it so much.

Please don’t hate me ac. Lots of people I know treasure it, and maybe it was just the mood I was in, but I would love to un-see the half of that movie I saw. I want to vomit up the memory of it.

by marc w on May 21, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow it has been a while since that came out.

My roommate called it Melrose Place in Space which it deserved then and now.

by Sec 108 on May 21, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hated it

I liked the book a lot more and hated the way they fucked up the message.

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by bluemax on May 21, 2010 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I believe the NBC Thursday lineup had their finales last night.

What are your thoughts on about the only good thing NBC does?

Community – This first season was okay, I thought. Surprisingly, after awhile I stopped saying to myself “Thats Joel McHale” I found some of the things he said to be incredibly annoying and stupid and over the top egotistical, the show was way too “heartfelt” every episode (like an episode of Full House “moment” every week) and overall the show had many weak moments. However, it also had a few great moments and I think after it stopped taking itself so seriously and realize this is NOTHING like what community college is really like (it was much more like a high school show but with old characters) and started being over-the-top ridiculous, there was some genius there. The episode where they parodied Goodfellas for example with chicken strips. I’ll be interested in season two, if they build off of the end of season one.

Parks and Rec – I don’t understand why the show isn’t more popular, its much more like early seasons of The Office than the current seasons of The Office, aka pretty frickin’ good. Tom Haveford is an excellent character of what a 30-year-old man should definitely NOT be like and I can appreciate all he does. And there are some other excellent characters and storylines. Though I can see where this show will go off kilter in later seasons, just like The Office has. It should be way more popular though.

The Office – As said above, The Office has gone downhill. It still has some really, really funny moments, but that’s overshadowed by the tired and unfunny moments often. I’m not going to lie and say I don’t still watch it religiously and want it to go on for a long time, but as most shows, its gotten stale and they’re just redoing old storylines with new characters (i.e. Jim and Pam have turned into Andy and Erin) Speaking of Jim and Pam, I wish they would get their own show! Why? So I can NOT watch that show and they can be off the office. Their repetoire is not funny. At all.

30 Rock – At a certain point something becomes so well-liked that it is then overrated. And 30 Rock is getting there. Still, it is probably the smartest sitcom on network television. Tina Fey, I’m not sure how much of the writing she does, but if its as much as I’m lead to believe, then she understands comedy like Stephen Hawking understands the cosmos. Its pretty incredible.

And that is my overdrawn review of Thursday night that I have done because I am incredibly bored on my lunch break.

by Kenneth Arthur on May 21, 2010 12:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Parks and Rec isn't more popular because the first season was pure, unfiltered ass.

I’m elated that it found its footing, and it’s now one of my favorite shows on TV, but a rough start like that takes a while to recover from.

by Teej on May 21, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Best news I've heard all day.

Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.

by JAH on May 21, 2010 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, they used to be my favorite network.

Then The Office and 30 Rock started to suck. Dammit.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on May 21, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep.

The third season of the American Office was still pretty good, but it was starting to slide down a dangerous path (the soap opera path). By the end of the fourth season, it was completely unwatchable.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on May 21, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I found the British version of The Office almost unwatchable

I know it’s designed that way where you’re supposed to have a bizarre fascination with their car wrecks of lives, but there’s only so much amusement I can get from rubber necking. I can’t even imagine what a weaker, longer, American version would be like. The fact that I’m a lukewarm Steve Carrell fan at best is just another reason I’m never going to watch this show.

You can't be a catcher if you can't catch. Rob Johnson will henceforth be listed as a traffic cone on the roster.

by Drew_D on May 21, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ricky Gervais is massively underappreciated.

Extras is also a fantastic show. Golden Years, The Sketch Show, the 11 O’Clock Show (so much better than Ali G)…

by harkening on May 21, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

The cameo appearances by veritable megastars of the film and television industry give it a leg up.

Especially since they all appear as ridiculous caricatures of their genuine persona. I can never get enough of Ian McKellen’s appearance.

by harkening on May 21, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

And the final episode was one of the most satisfying final episodes of any show ever

I hate trainwreck shows where douchebags get to be douchebags with no consequence, and that last episode of Extras was satisfying because he got a taste of his own back after being so…himself for the whole series. And yet it was also a happy ending, which is pretty cool. All in all a very well done episode.

by pdb on May 21, 2010 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I still find it barely funny enough to warrant continued viewing.

Which sucks, because I’m actively encouraging mediocrity. Oh well. Hopefully it will end soon, but it long ago gave up its right to end with dignity.

My main beef with the show from the beginning is that Michael Scott isn’t the least bit likable. David Brent was a much better character. He made me laugh. Michael Scott makes me angry.

by Teej on May 21, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I find it opposite.

David Brent was a much meaner person than Michael Scott.

by Kenneth Arthur on May 21, 2010 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

So, does Deer Stab '10 have a free-roaming multiplayer mode like GTA 4?

I’m probably going to buy it after this weekend, so if anybody has it for Xbox 360 then we can co-op Eiffel Tower a deer, but with knives!

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on May 21, 2010 3:06 PM PDT reply actions  

I believe so, yes.

When you choose multiplayer, it just throws you into the world. From there you can pick specific games, or you can just run around and get shot at by other people or form posses or something. I think. I haven’t really looked at it.

by Teej on May 21, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes it does.

Buy it, then we can ride as a posse!

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on May 21, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can't believe how much fun I'm having just riding around the desert on my horse.

Additionally, I’m so attached to my horse it’s ridiculous. I don’t want to give out any spoilers, but at a point about halfway through the game, you’re given another horse and I chose not to take it. I whistled for my old horse.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on May 21, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll have it Monday night!

Just bought it on Amazon, since it’s only $49.99 today. At that price, next day shipping is essentially free (paid ~$65 after tax and shipping).

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on May 22, 2010 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just saw a right-column banner ad on LL that somehow violates both the "no religion" and "no chat speak" site rules.

It was an ad for the Church of Latter-Day Saints that mimicked an IM window in which two ostensibly young people are discussing their faith in hilariously bad (and transparently fake) chat speak. All that was missing to complete its utter unsuitability for LL was a reference to Tim Lincecum.

by Chris Hafner on May 21, 2010 3:35 PM PDT reply actions  

So I went to the Nats-Mets game yesterday.

It was, bar none, the worst-played game of professional baseball I have ever seen.

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=8208525

Watch the whole condensed game. I’ve never seen a baseball crowd laugh like they’re watching good stand-up before.

by Decatur on May 21, 2010 4:50 PM PDT reply actions  

On the video games topic

since I’m missing out on RDR, I did manage to get my hands on SMG2. It definitely feels like an expansion pack with a few nice upgrades (the ability to skip boss intros!) and some good new music so far.

My 1 hour or so verdict is to get it if you loved the first and want more space Mario. Avoid if you couldn’t get into the first as it doesn’t bring enough new to make you change your mind.

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by bluemax on May 21, 2010 6:09 PM PDT reply actions  

What's the matter with Choo?

Choo Baka (Choo is stupid)
Who are you talking about? Ah! Choo
What Choo want?
Big League Choo
Choo your works carefully
Mexican: “What would happen if you stole Wyclef’s cars? Haitian Sue Choo.” Choo: “Yes?”

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on May 21, 2010 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Probably been done but...

Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.

by JAH on May 21, 2010 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yes. Every single time.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on May 21, 2010 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Johnny Damon has great legs.

"I might be a butt hoarder...speed skating butts that is." - wazzu93

by kevin_ess on May 22, 2010 2:59 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ugh, I missed the game thread today, yet again. Must've been a good one, judging by the game score.

"I just don't understand these newfangled defensive stats. I mean, what’s a 3? Who decides what that means? It all seems pretty arbitrary to me." ---- acblue

by .Taylor on May 21, 2010 11:16 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't want to bring it up.

But when I left everything seemed great, and when I got back some of my comments/images were deleted. Did I do something? I don’t remember the thread that my stuff/comments were in being bad and then suddenly they disappeared.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on May 22, 2010 1:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

I got an answer to this so no need to respond. Thanks.

Also, in case you were thinking of stealing my awesome image:

I’ve got my eyes on all of you.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on May 22, 2010 1:26 AM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

The first game thread was one of the best of the year.

So I’d probably read that one only.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on May 22, 2010 1:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, so jealous.

“@simonpegg Got the Frosts and the Smileys over today for some quality garden meat and general fun. "

so much can be imagined as to what that general fun might entail.

by msb on May 22, 2010 6:42 AM PDT reply actions  

Some fun facts about Rob Johnson.

Robo Rob was drafted in three consecutive drafts: 2002 By the Marlins in the 41st round, 2003 By the Phillies in the 18th round, and in 2004 By the Mariners in the 4th round.

In 2009 Rob was 2nd in the AL with 9 passed balls, with 80 games caught.
In 2010 so far, Rob is leading the league with 5 passed balls in 21 games, and is on pace for 20 passed balls with 1 every 4 games if he plays 80 games again, which is still a far cry from most passed balls in a season post 1900, which is 35 passed balls by Geno Petralli in 63 games for the Texas in 1987. The all time record for passed balls in a season is 105 by Ed Whiting in 1882.

Rob Johnson has hit 5 home runs in his career.
3 were hit against Oakland.
2 were hit off of Ben Sheets.
Ryan Langerhans was the only player on base during both of Johnson’s home runs in 2009.
Every one of Johnson’s home runs have come during different months, with June being the only month during the season in which he has not homered.
Each home run Johnson has hit has come in a different inning, he has hit one in the 2nd 3rd 4th 5th and 7th.
Johnson has only hit home runs in two stadiums, Safeco and the Athletics home ballpark.

Johnson has 3 hits and 3 walks against Ricky Romero, both his highest totals against any opposing pitcher.

His Baseball Reference page has been viewed 10,523 times.

by chezbergrur on May 23, 2010 12:02 AM PDT reply actions  

Some fun facts about the sun...

If you stare at the sun long enough, it can literally kill you. If you stare at Rob Johnson, it can literally kill you faster than the sun. If the son of Rob Johnson stares at the sun, everyone dies.

"I might be a butt hoarder...speed skating butts that is." - wazzu93

by kevin_ess on May 23, 2010 5:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just watched Moon.

I believe I’ve seen it mentioned here before, but if you haven’t seen it yet, I heartily recommend it. It’s one of those films that manages to keep your attention without resorting to special effects or loud noises.

You! Cake or death?

by Torrid on May 23, 2010 1:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Kermit told me to watch Moon once.

I haven’t slept in like, a year.

"I might be a butt hoarder...speed skating butts that is." - wazzu93

by kevin_ess on May 23, 2010 5:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Come to think of it, probably a different film you're talking about.

"I might be a butt hoarder...speed skating butts that is." - wazzu93

by kevin_ess on May 23, 2010 5:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Heh.

@ MJMcKean Hearing Kenny G is like getting an unwanted backrub from a stranger who’s wearing too much cologne.

by msb on May 23, 2010 7:02 AM PDT reply actions  

That reminds me of a quote from comic Mike Birbiglia

“Sometimes when I do a joke and it doesn’t get a lot of laughs, it kind of feels like I’m doing jazz. That’s kinda cool because jazz is cool, but sometimes jazz sucks … Maybe I’m the Kenny G of comedy.”

by seattle_since_81 on May 23, 2010 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

D/L both the finale the pre-show right now, but it’s over 5 GIG so might have to wait until tomorrow before I can watch it all … ergh, must avoid spoilers at all cost for the next 24 hours!!!

by EnglishMariner on May 24, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

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