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Roster Move Implications

Let's see what we've got here. Tuiasosopo for Wilson? This is just a move to get us an actual backup shortstop. Tui was primarily seeing time between Figgins and Lopez, and he's booted a few balls and made some bad throws. His unwatchable defense has only enhanced the downside of pinch-hitting for Jack Wilson. Josh Wilson, as we all know, isn't much, but the gap between Tui and Wilson in the field is like the gap between Rob Johnson and a catcher, so he gives Wak an actual option. It doesn't hurt that Wilson's been swinging a good bat in Tacoma, with a .333 average and 12 extra-base hits. Tui'll play regularly in the minors and try to develop into whatever he's going to be. Wilson probably goes away if and when Jack Hannahan demonstrates some competence in the middle infield.

Byrnes for Langerhans? I don't know that 38 plate appearances is proof of Byrnes' uselessness, but he didn't do anything to endear himself to the organization, so his going away comes as little surprise. Langerhans will come up and offer some actual talent and good defense without having to make a whole show of it. The tricky part here is that Langerhans is left-handed, which is difficult to reconcile with the desire to give Griffey regular time at DH, but then, maybe that means the team has gotten sick of Griffey at DH, which would be wonderful. Langerhans is a decent player, and it'll be nice to see him come back. It's also very possible they just stick him on the bench as the fourth OF.

The biggest critique of the moves so far has been that Mike Sweeney isn't involved, but then, I don't know what you expected them to do. They're not just going to cut him outright, and it's not like the system is bursting at the seams with Major League-caliber players. Certainly not right-handed bats. Who do you want? Tommy Everidge? What the M's need to do is put Sweeney on the DL and go outside the organization to fill his spot, and that's not something you can do in a snap. They have tomorrow off. There'll be conversations.

Talent-wise, there's nothing but gain. Blogging-wise, things won't be the same without Byrnes on the roster, but his last act of any significance was storming out of the clubhouse on a bicycle, and for that I say kudos, Eric. American television producers could learn a thing or two out of this.

Update: as Drayer points out, these moves bring the Mariners' 40-man roster to 41. Outside shot you could see someone kicked off the team, I guess, but the likelihood is that it's something minor. Drayer says the next move "will not be a 60 day DL move," but Ricky Orta underwent Tommy John a few weeks ago and isn't yet on the 60-day DL, so, who knows? Orta just seems so obvious. Could also see, I dunno, Varvaro go away, or even a two-for-one trade. 

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American television producers could learn a thing or two out of this.

Eric Byrnes is mad as hell and he’s not going to take it anymore!

by Dewey N on May 2, 2010 8:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Windown dressing. I would bet that Bradley is in LF most nights, and Griffey is the DH

Byrnes has shown little, but I still don’t understand why cutting Sweeney, and going with the Byrnes/Langerhans LF platoon, with Milton as full-time DH wasn’t the move that was made.

That would show actual change like Wak promised. Cutting a guy they were using mainly as just fourth outfielder doesn’t indicate to me they are 100% serious about maximizing roster potential. I think you guys are being a tad bit optimistic if you think Langerhans is going to be the primary LF vs right handed pitching.

I expect the hugging platoon will remain intact at the DH position most nights.

by Rudy4three on May 2, 2010 8:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Give them time

They can’t fix everything at once.

by Jeff Sullivan on May 2, 2010 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why the hell not.

We’re talking about Z here.

Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.

by the other side on May 2, 2010 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree, the fact that they're going for Sweeney/Griffey at DH instead of Byrnes/Langerhans in LF shows that nothing has really changed.

Unless Sweeney is swapped for a RH hitting OF that is at least as good as Byrnes, I’m ambivalent toward this move.

by lailaihei on May 2, 2010 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying I do or condemning them, just noting that nothing has really changed yet.

I should have made it more clear that I understand another move has to go down tomorrow, and that I’m just going to wait until then to pass judgment (and yes I know my personal judgment means jack shit).

by lailaihei on May 2, 2010 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's unfair to pass judgement on them then either

It’s entirely possible they’re already trying to work out a deal for the RH LF or DH or whatever. But that doesn’t happen usually happen overnight.

by OlSalty on May 2, 2010 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's not terrible.

We have a real catcher, and Felix’s pet catcher. Wak just needs to figure out which one to play.

Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.

by the other side on May 2, 2010 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

FREE KILA KIA'AHUE

Seriously. The Royals are wasting him in AAA and they need relief pitching, which we have a bit of a glut of.

by ManifestDestiny on May 2, 2010 8:25 PM PDT reply actions  

The Royals FO seems to really hate him.

Would be surprising if he isn’t available to anybody for anything.

by Slica on May 2, 2010 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm curious too...

Anyone have a rough idea? Just simply more than we’d ever realistically give up?

by mwalter on May 2, 2010 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Royals are probably in a less than favorable bargaining position

Given that he has been in the majors for like 3-4 years and is 26, it might indicate that they don’t value him that much as a part of their future to send him down now.

by OlSalty on May 2, 2010 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I kinda want Mike Aviles

but i think we might have already gone through our desires to steal KCR players

by Edgar for Pres on May 2, 2010 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, he's unemployed.

I bet if you have a nice tall bong and some killer pretzels he’d be willing to come over and chill.

by abender20 on May 2, 2010 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions   6 recs

I'm with you

that dude is crazy

by jackyz on May 2, 2010 8:31 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I so wanted him to succeed here.

The man is tremendous human theater.

Griffey!

by Big Jared on May 2, 2010 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Same

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by Corco on May 2, 2010 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm so sad

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by Corco on May 2, 2010 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

How do you guys say it here

I think it’s “samesies”?

Eric Byrnes made baseball entertaining to watch, but in the same sense as watching a groin shot montage on America’s Funniest Home Videos.

by Jeff Nye on May 2, 2010 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes.

Eric Byrnes looks like he’s auditioning for television everywhere he goes. His shtick always seemed a bit contrived to me.

by Teej on May 2, 2010 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I loved the description somebody gave of this .gif a few weeks ago.

He goes to throw the ball, it goes over the wall, he looks at it like he is sad that it left and tells everyone that it left and he wants it back.

by Kirk on May 2, 2010 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah for some reason I'm really sad to see him go as well.

He seemed like he belonged in the movie Major League or something. Like he is just weird and whenever he struck out, he’d talk to himself the whole way back to the dugou. That and the bike story make me miss him a lot.

by Hopefulmsfan on May 2, 2010 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thank you for the memories, Byrnes!

We wish you the best in your future endeavors!

by ThundaPC on May 2, 2010 8:56 PM PDT reply actions  

After going 0-3 since Opening Day, needed roster adjustments were made.

It’s weird to see such a quick leash on these players. Ever since Opening Day, everything’s been magnified tenfold.

M's fan in the Bay, soon to be LA

by perfectstrat on May 2, 2010 8:57 PM PDT reply actions  

I feel stupid.

Makes sense now.

Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.

by the other side on May 2, 2010 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was sarcasm coupled with...

“”http://www.ussmariner.com/2010/04/30/game-23-rangers-at-mariner/" >Not since Opening Day"

M's fan in the Bay, soon to be LA

by perfectstrat on May 2, 2010 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Xavier Nady, anyone?

The Cubs have a ton of OFs, they need relievers, among other things.

by tait644 on May 2, 2010 9:20 PM PDT reply actions  

THERE IS A FUCKING FLOOR WOO HOO

I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul - Invictus

by EequalsMc2 on May 2, 2010 9:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Whoopsie.

Now you’ve gone and done it. Felix → DL announcement in 5, 4 ….

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on May 2, 2010 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is a subfloor

and then a basement, and a subbasement, and perhaps a network of caves under that that lead to a deeper basement. There is no floor.

by pdb on May 2, 2010 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought we were attempting to keep this a family show.

But no, you had to scare away all the children.

Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.

by the other side on May 2, 2010 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not going to get work done for a while.

Too busy staring at this. I think this is actually shorter than the smaller version but I could be mistaken.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on May 2, 2010 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Langerhans ought to make a difference since there will be good reason to put him in the field against RHP

which puts Bradley at DH (bonus!) and Griffey on the bench (as planned!) and Sweeney without a role (extra bonus!). But, this remains to be seen.

Question:
Would a DH tandem of Brad Nelson and Tommy Everidge outperform our current two?

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on May 2, 2010 10:03 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't know

I doubt I could even hit in low A ball. Like, at all.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on May 2, 2010 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think a DH tandem of a Buseygnome and the kid from Rookie of the Year would be a better option.

At least he could draw a walk, plus I think Griffey is above taunting with “pitcher’s got a big butt” until a wild throw is made.

by Belom3 on May 2, 2010 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Shut the fuck up.

They dropped Chris Jakubauskas like a hot rock when they didn’t need the roster spot, and then Lance Berkman tried to put a baseball through his brain stem.
When Eric Byrnes gets a bat splinter through his larynx, THEN you can comment on the unfairness of life and the fragility of nature. Like any of us will remember Byrnes for more than the squeeze play and the fucking bike.

by marc w on May 2, 2010 11:46 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions   4 recs

That's a lot of roster moves. Hopefully it stirs up something good on offense.

Quite a few Rec’d posts in this thread too!

How about a bunch of upcoming wins for the Mariners next…

by fortyniners on May 2, 2010 11:54 PM PDT reply actions  

From Larry Stone...

“When we told him, he handled in in a tremendously professional manner. It’s never easy, but he was classy. He was disappointed, but I can’t say enough about how he handled it. He appreciated the opportunity to be here, and said he liked our team’s chances and would be cheering for us. He said he’s looking forward to what’s next, which he doesn’t know yet what it will be.’’

That’s good to hear (even though it literally doesn’t matter to us now at all). He was entertaining to watch, but I’m more excited about Langerhans.

I think he’s officially off my “hate with a burning passion” list now, good for him.

by Karma Police on May 3, 2010 12:17 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

So long, dude.

What're ya gonna do with those pies, boys?

by rickpo on May 3, 2010 8:08 AM PDT reply actions   3 recs

My 3 Wishes

1. A Catcher that can catch.
2. A Left Fielder than can field.
3. A Designated Hitter that can hit.

This move improves two of those areas (at least against RHP) by moving Bradley to DH, Langerhans to LF, and leaving Griffey to be the glorified pinch hitter now that we have a backup shortstop. Against LHP, we’re still back to square one with Bradley in left and Sweeney at DH. And then, there’s still the aforementioned catcher position. Yuk!

by rrenner07 on May 3, 2010 11:27 AM PDT reply actions  

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