Roster Move Implications
Let's see what we've got here. Tuiasosopo for Wilson? This is just a move to get us an actual backup shortstop. Tui was primarily seeing time between Figgins and Lopez, and he's booted a few balls and made some bad throws. His unwatchable defense has only enhanced the downside of pinch-hitting for Jack Wilson. Josh Wilson, as we all know, isn't much, but the gap between Tui and Wilson in the field is like the gap between Rob Johnson and a catcher, so he gives Wak an actual option. It doesn't hurt that Wilson's been swinging a good bat in Tacoma, with a .333 average and 12 extra-base hits. Tui'll play regularly in the minors and try to develop into whatever he's going to be. Wilson probably goes away if and when Jack Hannahan demonstrates some competence in the middle infield.
Byrnes for Langerhans? I don't know that 38 plate appearances is proof of Byrnes' uselessness, but he didn't do anything to endear himself to the organization, so his going away comes as little surprise. Langerhans will come up and offer some actual talent and good defense without having to make a whole show of it. The tricky part here is that Langerhans is left-handed, which is difficult to reconcile with the desire to give Griffey regular time at DH, but then, maybe that means the team has gotten sick of Griffey at DH, which would be wonderful. Langerhans is a decent player, and it'll be nice to see him come back. It's also very possible they just stick him on the bench as the fourth OF.
The biggest critique of the moves so far has been that Mike Sweeney isn't involved, but then, I don't know what you expected them to do. They're not just going to cut him outright, and it's not like the system is bursting at the seams with Major League-caliber players. Certainly not right-handed bats. Who do you want? Tommy Everidge? What the M's need to do is put Sweeney on the DL and go outside the organization to fill his spot, and that's not something you can do in a snap. They have tomorrow off. There'll be conversations.
Talent-wise, there's nothing but gain. Blogging-wise, things won't be the same without Byrnes on the roster, but his last act of any significance was storming out of the clubhouse on a bicycle, and for that I say kudos, Eric. American television producers could learn a thing or two out of this.
Update: as Drayer points out, these moves bring the Mariners' 40-man roster to 41. Outside shot you could see someone kicked off the team, I guess, but the likelihood is that it's something minor. Drayer says the next move "will not be a 60 day DL move," but Ricky Orta underwent Tommy John a few weeks ago and isn't yet on the 60-day DL, so, who knows? Orta just seems so obvious. Could also see, I dunno, Varvaro go away, or even a two-for-one trade.
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Windown dressing. I would bet that Bradley is in LF most nights, and Griffey is the DH
Byrnes has shown little, but I still don’t understand why cutting Sweeney, and going with the Byrnes/Langerhans LF platoon, with Milton as full-time DH wasn’t the move that was made.
That would show actual change like Wak promised. Cutting a guy they were using mainly as just fourth outfielder doesn’t indicate to me they are 100% serious about maximizing roster potential. I think you guys are being a tad bit optimistic if you think Langerhans is going to be the primary LF vs right handed pitching.
I expect the hugging platoon will remain intact at the DH position most nights.
Give them time
They can’t fix everything at once.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 2, 2010 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Why the hell not.
We’re talking about Z here.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 2, 2010 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree, the fact that they're going for Sweeney/Griffey at DH instead of Byrnes/Langerhans in LF shows that nothing has really changed.
Unless Sweeney is swapped for a RH hitting OF that is at least as good as Byrnes, I’m ambivalent toward this move.
I'm not saying I do or condemning them, just noting that nothing has really changed yet.
I should have made it more clear that I understand another move has to go down tomorrow, and that I’m just going to wait until then to pass judgment (and yes I know my personal judgment means jack shit).
It's unfair to pass judgement on them then either
It’s entirely possible they’re already trying to work out a deal for the RH LF or DH or whatever. But that doesn’t happen usually happen overnight.
I wish we'd had Langerhans forever, dating back to whenever I first watched the Mariners
by Jeff Sullivan on May 2, 2010 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
Dunn that.
2010 Safeco Field Record: 0-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 10-4
by Fin on May 2, 2010 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Any chance they will do anything to improve the catcher situation?
by niceguysfinishlast on May 2, 2010 8:21 PM PDT reply actions
There is a chance but they like their catchers
by Graham MacAree on May 2, 2010 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not terrible.
We have a real catcher, and Felix’s pet catcher. Wak just needs to figure out which one to play.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 2, 2010 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I would be very content with Johnson literally only catching when Felix pitches.
That would be just fine. Or Felix could find a new buddy, that would be fine, too.
Milton Bradley apologist
by sanford_and_son on May 2, 2010 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions
As creepy as that sounded....
Well at least lock them in the bullpen together.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 2, 2010 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Just because you guys have lusty felix thoughts doesn't mean Adam should get stuck in the middle.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 2, 2010 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions
FREE KILA KIA'AHUE
Seriously. The Royals are wasting him in AAA and they need relief pitching, which we have a bit of a glut of.
The Royals FO seems to really hate him.
Would be surprising if he isn’t available to anybody for anything.
Z needs to break out whatever he shines his dome with and get to work.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 2, 2010 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Sticking with the topic, I feel this move needs to be made:
Jose Lopez, Dustin Ackley, Rick Poythress, and David Aardsma for Ryan Zimmerman.
I’m really sane, just trust me.
M's fan in the Bay, soon to be LA
No, just no.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 2, 2010 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions
This could in fact be why you don't run a major league baseball team
by pdb on May 2, 2010 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Well Dayton Moore runs a mlb team, but still.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 2, 2010 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm curious too...
Anyone have a rough idea? Just simply more than we’d ever realistically give up?
I'd start with Daniel Cortes and if Moore really pushed I'd throw in Derrick Saito
Determined, Jonesing Commentor
by Corco on May 2, 2010 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
The Royals are probably in a less than favorable bargaining position
Given that he has been in the majors for like 3-4 years and is 26, it might indicate that they don’t value him that much as a part of their future to send him down now.
I kinda want Mike Aviles
but i think we might have already gone through our desires to steal KCR players
by Edgar for Pres on May 2, 2010 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, he's unemployed.
I bet if you have a nice tall bong and some killer pretzels he’d be willing to come over and chill.
by abender20 on May 2, 2010 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
I do live in the Bay Area, it's basically legal here.
Fuck the Angels
I feel really bad for him
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by Griffin Cooper on May 2, 2010 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions
How do you guys say it here
I think it’s “samesies”?
Eric Byrnes made baseball entertaining to watch, but in the same sense as watching a groin shot montage on America’s Funniest Home Videos.
And once you see enough groin shot montages, they cease to be entertaining.
by JLC on May 2, 2010 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions
The first time it's slightly funny, the second time it'e one huge cringe, the third time it literally hurts to watch.
Pretty much Byrnes right there.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 2, 2010 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions
This gif was inevitable.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 2, 2010 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I loved the description somebody gave of this .gif a few weeks ago.
He goes to throw the ball, it goes over the wall, he looks at it like he is sad that it left and tells everyone that it left and he wants it back.
Yeah for some reason I'm really sad to see him go as well.
He seemed like he belonged in the movie Major League or something. Like he is just weird and whenever he struck out, he’d talk to himself the whole way back to the dugou. That and the bike story make me miss him a lot.
by Hopefulmsfan on May 2, 2010 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions
If another team signs Byrnes, do the M's have to pay any of his salary?
What're ya gonna do with those pies, boys?
7-7-07 to 5-2-10. The long nightmare is finally over.
One last time. Fuck you Eric Byrnes.
You're dead to me.
I no longer have to make a FREE LANGERHANS shirt, so that's cool.
Welcome back to the suck, buddy!
Milton Bradley apologist
After going 0-3 since Opening Day, needed roster adjustments were made.
It’s weird to see such a quick leash on these players. Ever since Opening Day, everything’s been magnified tenfold.
M's fan in the Bay, soon to be LA
Not sure where you were going with, but theres been a few more than 3 games.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 2, 2010 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions
They changed the bullpen after going 0-3 in the 3 games after Opening Day (1-3 total)
This is the first major move since then besides the Lee one.
I feel stupid.
Makes sense now.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 2, 2010 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions
It was sarcasm coupled with...
“”http://www.ussmariner.com/2010/04/30/game-23-rangers-at-mariner/" >Not since Opening Day"
M's fan in the Bay, soon to be LA
Wow, no idea what went wrong with either my linking skills or the ability to press "preview"
M's fan in the Bay, soon to be LA
Makes sense now.
I wish Griffey had a damn leash.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 2, 2010 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions
This comment confuses me
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by Griffin Cooper on May 2, 2010 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions
This is getting ridiculous.
Albert Pujols anyone??
I think he’s available for the right price.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 2, 2010 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope he can totally be had for Sean White and Greg Halman.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 2, 2010 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions
That must be it.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 2, 2010 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Here I thought he meant that one was Albert Pujols
and the other one was a 4th or 5th OF for the Cubs.
Pujols is at least starting LF. Give him some credit for God's sake.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 2, 2010 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Any perceived floor is merely a local minimum and not a true floor at all
by Graham MacAree on May 2, 2010 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions 9 recs
I wish I could
Unfortunately I failed my witticism check and the saving throw
by Graham MacAree on May 2, 2010 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
You didn't verify concavity with a second derivative, Mariners continue on into negative infinity after a brief percieved floor.
by Rowsdower on May 2, 2010 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
What hurts me is that I actually understand this
I wouldn’t have had a fucking clue what you were saying about 4 months ago.
by Matt Erickson on May 3, 2010 1:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I miss Calculus...
It’s been too long.
Mariners/D Broncos/BSU Broncos fan in Seattle
The first rule of Lookout Landing is...
Did someone summon me?
The pup that laughs when you're down on your luck.
by Scrappy the Scapegoat on May 2, 2010 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions
There is a subfloor
and then a basement, and a subbasement, and perhaps a network of caves under that that lead to a deeper basement. There is no floor.
by pdb on May 2, 2010 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions
So you're saying this floor is a facade and both Cliff and Sex are headed to the DL?
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 2, 2010 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions
This is the Seattle area, I'm guessing vampires.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 2, 2010 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought we were attempting to keep this a family show.
But no, you had to scare away all the children.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 2, 2010 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Sweeneygriffeygnomes would be so much better
by Graham MacAree on May 2, 2010 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Really, he's probably somewhere in/near Dubai at the moment, but point still stands
I want to poop at your house - Thingray
by tootthekazoo on May 2, 2010 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not going to get work done for a while.
Too busy staring at this. I think this is actually shorter than the smaller version but I could be mistaken.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on May 2, 2010 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Subthread closed before it turns into a gif farm
by Jeff Sullivan on May 2, 2010 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions
"I'm pooping"
I want to poop at your house - Thingray
by tootthekazoo on May 2, 2010 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd weigh in on this but I have some deck chairs that need shuffling instead.
by Matthew on May 2, 2010 9:41 PM PDT reply actions 9 recs
Ooh, where do they sell that color?
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 2, 2010 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Crafty bastards.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 2, 2010 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Better than throwing them in the pool.
You're dead to me.
by Goose on May 2, 2010 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Langerhans ought to make a difference since there will be good reason to put him in the field against RHP
which puts Bradley at DH (bonus!) and Griffey on the bench (as planned!) and Sweeney without a role (extra bonus!). But, this remains to be seen.
Question:
Would a DH tandem of Brad Nelson and Tommy Everidge outperform our current two?
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on May 2, 2010 10:03 PM PDT reply actions
I don't know
I doubt I could even hit in low A ball. Like, at all.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on May 2, 2010 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I think a DH tandem of a Buseygnome and the kid from Rookie of the Year would be a better option.
At least he could draw a walk, plus I think Griffey is above taunting with “pitcher’s got a big butt” until a wild throw is made.
When it comes to Z the lack of rumors is even more exciting.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 2, 2010 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's a rumor with no credibility whatsoever:
Rob Johnson is being DFA’d.
M's fan in the Bay, soon to be LA
by perfectstrat on May 2, 2010 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think any of us are that lucky
I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul - Invictus
I don't think I even want that
I can’t really believe I just said that…
by Edgar for Pres on May 2, 2010 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Felix loves the dopey bugger
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on May 2, 2010 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Shut the fuck up.
They dropped Chris Jakubauskas like a hot rock when they didn’t need the roster spot, and then Lance Berkman tried to put a baseball through his brain stem.
When Eric Byrnes gets a bat splinter through his larynx, THEN you can comment on the unfairness of life and the fragility of nature. Like any of us will remember Byrnes for more than the squeeze play and the fucking bike.
by marc w on May 2, 2010 11:46 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
He missed that leaping catch at the wall in Chicago
by Jeff Sullivan on May 2, 2010 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions
OK, that was pretty hilarious. Good call.
It’s no ‘one-hitter-and-lose’ in Chicago, but yeah, I suppose I’ll remember that.
That's a lot of roster moves. Hopefully it stirs up something good on offense.
Quite a few Rec’d posts in this thread too!
How about a bunch of upcoming wins for the Mariners next…
From Larry Stone...
“When we told him, he handled in in a tremendously professional manner. It’s never easy, but he was classy. He was disappointed, but I can’t say enough about how he handled it. He appreciated the opportunity to be here, and said he liked our team’s chances and would be cheering for us. He said he’s looking forward to what’s next, which he doesn’t know yet what it will be.’’
That’s good to hear (even though it literally doesn’t matter to us now at all). He was entertaining to watch, but I’m more excited about Langerhans.
I think he’s officially off my “hate with a burning passion” list now, good for him.
by Karma Police on May 3, 2010 12:17 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
So long, dude.

What're ya gonna do with those pies, boys?
by rickpo on May 3, 2010 8:08 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
My 3 Wishes
1. A Catcher that can catch.
2. A Left Fielder than can field.
3. A Designated Hitter that can hit.
This move improves two of those areas (at least against RHP) by moving Bradley to DH, Langerhans to LF, and leaving Griffey to be the glorified pinch hitter now that we have a backup shortstop. Against LHP, we’re still back to square one with Bradley in left and Sweeney at DH. And then, there’s still the aforementioned catcher position. Yuk!

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