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Our WE peaked at 87.5%. There was our usual share of bad luck (line drives caught), bad plays (Moore not taking himself out, Saunders' throw in the 8th) and odd, but sure to be overblown managerial decisions (White, not calling for bunts late in the game). 2010 Mariners, meet your nutshell.

Biggest Contributor: Jason Vargas +.221
Biggest Suckfest: Jesus Colome -.354

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I was more annoyed at the offense going into hibernation right after the Sweeney homerun.

I had a feeling it was going to be trouble holding the Rays to just a run or even two runs.

Oh well, would’ve been nice to secure a series win heading into Cliff Lee’s start.

by ThundaPC on May 15, 2010 4:12 PM PDT reply actions  

You think bringing in White was just odd?

I know League sucked it up the other day, but I think it’s fair to say that he deserved more of a shot than Wak gave him and benching him for White was a big mistake. I know the end result of bringing White in wasn’t terrible and the odds of League not allowing at least as many runs to score were surely not good, but didn’t I read somewhere that we should be looking at the process not the result?

by DAMellen on May 15, 2010 4:12 PM PDT reply actions  

I meant to say the odds were good.

That is to say, there’s a good chance League would’ve given up at least one more run. Again, that doesn’t change the moves terribility.

by DAMellen on May 15, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

That makes me really sad and frustrated.

Has Wak never heard of the two-inning save? Or that you should use your “bullpen ace” in the highest leverage situation? Maybe Wak thinks White is our best reliever and is therefore a complete nar-nar.

by Jon S. on May 15, 2010 4:37 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

What were the options? I would say our four best relievers are League, Aardsma, Kelley, and Tex

Three were unavailable (used already, closer, used two innings last night).

I guess you could argue that Kelley should have gotten in before White and Colome, and it’s what I would have done. However, we all know this manager has some odd distaste for Kelley, plus he pitched an inning last night and gave up a 2 run homer.

Distaste + used yesterday + bad results yesterday = no Kelley

by Rudy4three on May 15, 2010 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is all so annoyingly bizzare.

Why do so many of this teams games fall apart in such a painful fashion?

by FairWeatherFred on May 15, 2010 4:18 PM PDT reply actions  

This is what we in the baseball biz call a Cleveland Steamer

Well run organization, everything seemingly headed in the right direction, everyone’s all lovey dovey, then the baseball gods decide to shit on your chest.

by OlSalty on May 15, 2010 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions   8 recs

Curse of "wak"ing it too much

Hairy palms affect hitting and bullpen pitching

by Sirbunt on May 15, 2010 11:28 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think I'm more upset about Tui playing 1st and batting 5th against a righty than I am about going to White in the 8th.

League is obviously better than White and probably had a better chance of getting a DP, but I can’t really blame Wak for for having his confidence in League shaken a bit.

by MFAN on May 15, 2010 4:21 PM PDT reply actions  

My confidence in League is pretty well shot, too.

But how does Wak think that White will do anything but blow?

by Jon S. on May 15, 2010 4:43 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

He's scuffling a bit now. I dont blame Wak for having a short leash with him today.

Can we really complain about White? He came in with bases loaded, gave up a run on a very shallow fly ball, and then got out of the inning.

The use of Colome bothers me more.

by Rudy4three on May 15, 2010 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

White's first 4 pitches to Zobrist with the bases loaded were all balls - he just got 1 gift call

If he hadn’t, we’d probably all be bitching about him rather than League. League has for the most part just been really unlucky lately.

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by Griffin Cooper on May 15, 2010 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Eh, we all know White is mediocre/poor, but we are going to get on a guy now because

he runs a 3 ball count? I thought White did a fair job there given the circumstances.

by Rudy4three on May 15, 2010 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

What exactly did he do wrong tonight?

He gave up one hit, and it came on a good pitch low and in that Brignac did a hell of a job putting in play. And the pitch Scott hit out on Thursday wasn’t even a strike.

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by Griffin Cooper on May 15, 2010 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

The final out was on a hard-hit line drive that Lopez made an amazing play on.

You can’t really credit White for that at all.

SEAN WHITE IS THE WORST PERSON EVER

by I Lick Squirrels on May 15, 2010 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

That ball wasn't hit that hard, and it was a foul ball. There is plenty of reason to

get on White and his usage in certain games. I don’t like the guy either, but League isn’t throwing the ball well the last couple days, and the options are limited right now with Texeira likely unavailable, and Kelley not having the trust of this manager (i guess you can rip Wak for this).

Anyway, White was a curious call there, but I don’t think he pitched all that poorly today.

by Rudy4three on May 15, 2010 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't get putting White in.

My guess is Wak was thinking White has a better chance to get the groudball and just didn’t really trust League at that point.

by MFAN on May 15, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

My balls are beyond broken

What a sharty way to lose.

by Jon S. on May 15, 2010 4:23 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

We are starting to lose in predictable fashion.

I had Pena hitting the homerun to win. I was close. Either way, a loss is a loss. Tell Griffey to wake me when something changes on this team.

by FisteeFisterer on May 15, 2010 5:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Winnable game down the drain again. Moore is a fucking idiot.

Send his dumb ass down. Why are there so many fundamentally crappy or stupid players on the team? Like Byrnes, Moore, Rob Johnson, Lopez (except for his defense). And inept guys like Kotchmann and Figgins who can only hit much worse than AAA nonames.
Also a stupid 3rd base coach who cost us a couple wins.

It is so aggravating rooting for this team..

by Sam Regens on May 15, 2010 7:03 PM PDT reply actions  

You can't fault Moore without knowing the situation

Of course he’s going to want to stay in the game – baseball players always do. But there’s certainly a chance he really thought he was alright, it just got worse when he needed to start sprinting again. Wak/the coaches probably shouldn’t have let him stay in anyway.

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by Griffin Cooper on May 15, 2010 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

How can somebody get on Moore, he knows that Johnson has back issues and was only

to be used in an emergency. I doubt he realized he couldnt run when he was standing on first.

by Rudy4three on May 15, 2010 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Character assassination without evidence is a immature critique.

And your characterization of certain player’s skills is off base and foolhardy. Kotchman and Figgins are not worse at hitting than “AAA nonames”, it’s not even close. They may both be struggling but time and time again we have gone over why their numbers look as poor as they do. If you choose to ignore that, fine, but you don’t get to misrepresent their skills without getting called on it.

by Matthew on May 15, 2010 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions   8 recs

Yes, fine. Expect to be called out yourself when you're badmouthing Griffey or Sweeney, etc.

Or is not “character assassination” if you’re the one badmouthing players?

As for “evidence” .188 .314 .250 (Figgins) and .186 .273 .354 (Kotchmann) seem to be producing worse now than someone like Saunders (.280 .308 .600) who was just called up from AAA and is relatively obscure.

Hell, even Sweeney has a .244 .320 .467 line. Or are we just supposed to ignore and cut out the games where he’s produced? That would be convenient when you’re trashing Sweeney again.

by Sam Regens on May 16, 2010 2:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

And to add, I will be more careful myself.

But people who have been scapegoating Sweeney something terrible, should also be called out when you have Figgins and Kotchmann (and Lopez) hitting like crap (batting lines posted above) and people like Byrnes, Moore, and Rob Johnson playing like crap.
And the 3rd base coach making some questionable calls which also cost us wins.

by Sam Regens on May 16, 2010 2:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

You seem to have a severe misunderstanding for sample sizes and talent.

Kotchman and Figgins have long histories of being better than they are right now and are at ages where falling off the cliff is just severely unlikely. Griffey has been bad for several years, can not play defense, and is not only old but visibly missing the tools to succeed. Also, he can’t be used on defense. Go take your weird and uninformed crusade somewhere else, because this isn’t the place for it.

by abender20 on May 16, 2010 6:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I believe the concept you're desperately thrashing around and not grasping is "sustainability".

Figgins and Kotchman are indeed “producing worse now” than someone “obscure” (whatever that means) than Saunders. Sweeney is outhitting Figgins and Kotchman. The problem is, none of those things are sustainable – Figgins and Kotchman will eventually get back to being solid hitters, and Sweeney will get back to being a moldering pile of garbage. I am extremely happy (and not a little surprised) that Sweeney’s gone crazy offensively in the last few games, but it will not last. He’s not good and hasn’t been for a while now.

Please stop insulting people and making personal insinuations. It doesn’t help your argument.

by pdb on May 16, 2010 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Saunders is not obscure.

He was regarded by many to be the #2 prospect in the organization coming into the season.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on May 16, 2010 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Can we get rid of Colome already?

Teixeira fits pretty much the same role and is better. Call up French or Fields or someone. I’m tired of even having Colome and White in the bullpen since I know that there’s a good chance Wak will use them.

Got my sig stolen

by Coach Owens on May 15, 2010 7:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Word.

And at some point, bring Hannahan up.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on May 15, 2010 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's playing short now!

Not well, but it’s happening.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on May 15, 2010 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I had a problem with Saunders in the 8th. Moore on 1st (should have taken himself out),

no outs and Saunders strikes out. He was King of the drag bunt last year. Why didn’t he try/Wak call for a bunt here? They had the shift on for him.

by TrustBaseball on May 15, 2010 7:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Eh, he got ahead 2-0, and in fairness he was called out on a pitch that was clearly off the plate

With this lineup, the sacrifice is quite worthless in most situations. Just giving up an out for the next guy who likely will fail.

We would have been in the same situation anyway if Saunders bunts, because Maddon would likely have walked Ichiro to face the hapless Figgins.

by Rudy4three on May 15, 2010 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

The point is specific, not general.

Shrugging it off because of “this lineup” is incorrect because you are treating it as such. That was a wasted sentence on your part.

by Matthew on May 15, 2010 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agreed with this idea at the time

I would have liked a bunt there but will point out that drag bunts go down the first base line, not the third, so the shift doesn’t play into Saunders’ drag bunt skills.

by Matthew on May 15, 2010 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know GMs and GMs and managers are managers but at some point Z has to sit down with Wak and explain how this is supposed to work, right?

Is that something that has likely already happened or is likely to happen? Or do GMs tend to stay pretty hands off with their managers?

by Nate Dogg on May 15, 2010 8:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Bullshit.

Read the Game Thread. Everyone was calling him on it before the results showed themselves. They were poor decisions and we all know it.

by harkening on May 15, 2010 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

There have been some decisions that he's made consistently that have hurt the team.

It seems like it’d be prudent to try to get him to reevaluate his bullpen management and his decision to bat Griffey or Sweeney in the 4 or 5 spot.

by Nate Dogg on May 15, 2010 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Meh, the batting order really doesn't matter

Aside from being easy to poke fun at, who’s going to bat 4th or 5th? The top 3 are entrenched, as are the bottom 3 really. It doesn’t make a huge bit of difference at this point.

On the other hand, the bullpen usage, tendency to fall in love with players, and some of the other in-game management is suspect.

by Brian Floyd on May 15, 2010 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't see how that's true at all.

We all agree that bullpen usage has been questionable but this team is where it is because it has been really bad at scoring runs.

by ThundaPC on May 15, 2010 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

They've been really bad at scoring runs because their DH tandem is fucking terrible.

I’d be shocked to find out that Sweeney wasn’t 98% Wak and he’s the one writing Griffey’s name into the lineup.

Wak has been seriously terrible this year.

by Aaron Campeau on May 15, 2010 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's not the main reason they're losing by any means but his poor decisions are hurting the team and they're correctable.

Like Matthew said in the podcast a lot of these loses have been close, it’s not unreasonable to think that some minor to moderate improvements in Wak’s decisions could result in a couple extra wins.

by Nate Dogg on May 15, 2010 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree. At the very least, they wouldn't result in predicable losses.

Maybe predicable losses isn’t fair, but please give us the best chance to win. Wak, give us a chance.

by TrustBaseball on May 16, 2010 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

But hey, over the last 7 games Ichiro is hitting .567/.588/.967.

That’s certainly fun to watch.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on May 15, 2010 9:58 PM PDT reply actions  

It's really only "fun to watch" when we win.

That’s what it’s all about. Yeah, Ichiro’s doing great, but I want us to win.

by TrustBaseball on May 16, 2010 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm having a harder time than in years past.

I’ve always wanted to win, but now it seems almost (and I hate this word that isn’t even really a word) “doable”. It would be so great if we could just win and it seems like we should be able to win the West. No other team has that much over us. Why can’t we win the West?

by TrustBaseball on May 16, 2010 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

As a Mariner fan...

I watched 2001, was semi content with 2002-3, spent the next few years in Iraq and Afganimawhatsit, and now I get to watch this. Am I allowed to have my heart broken?

by FairWeatherFred on May 15, 2010 10:44 PM PDT reply actions  

The history of the Mariners is basically a history

Where the #1 lesson is it is best to assume the team will fuck up because they usually do.

Yet I love rooting for this team, that pain makes me a bigger fan.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on May 15, 2010 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I was 9 in 1995 and didn’t really have an appreciation for how dreadfully awful the team used to be. Whenever they’re good again, in 2011 or 2012 hopefully, I definitely will this time.

by Aly Edge on May 16, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

The 2010 Mariners

Finding new ways to choke every day.

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by skywaker9 on May 15, 2010 11:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Only in Seattle

And it’s fucking true too.

Carlos Silvelite

by OceanBird on May 15, 2010 11:17 PM PDT reply actions  

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