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13-20, Game Thoughts

Ehh. We lost to the Orioles. We lost, and we didn't really ever come close to not losing. We also lost with that lineup. This team would be more fun if you took the players and replaced them with better players.

I don't know how much more there is to say, other than this team won't make us proud on a consistent basis until or unless the players start playing like they were expected to play. Mark Teixeira had a .623 OPS through May 7th, and the Yankees went 20-8. Know why? They have enough talent to absorb some underperformance. The Mariners don't. The Mariners were going to have to fight to win 85 games, and they were going to have to fight to score 700 runs. That was before the year. Before Chone Figgins decided to not get hits, Jose Lopez decided to not get homers, Milton Bradley decided to not be some approximation of normal, and both the catchers and the designated hitters decided to not participate. And before other things. Now what? What're we supposed to do, other than hope these guys get it figured out before it's too late?

It's the same story. It's still the same story. We can complain all we want about the DH platoon - and we should, on account of it's a nightmare - but that's only one of several problems, and though it's arguably the easiest fix, it isn't enough on its own. And it's not like you can expect Ryan Langerhans and Michael Saunders to be the answer. I like them too, but they're limited in what they can provide. More than anything else, the Mariners need to regress. Regress up, regress in the good way. The forgotten way. Hendu used to remind us at every opportunity that "that's why they call it average." The Mariners need to find theirs. They need to find their averages before this division wraps itself up in a neat little box with a bow on it.

Let's make this quick:

  • The home run that Luke Scott sent out in the bottom of the fourth came on Ryan Rowland-Smith's 55th pitch of the game. It was his last. RRS wasn't dealing or anything, and with a rested bullpen there was plenty of available relief, but still, that seems to reflect a pretty striking lack of confidence on Wak's part that RRS would be able to keep the game close. While I can't begin to know for sure why he came out so soon, it seems to me that Wak was frustrated and wanted to send a message. Why he wouldn't be sending similar messages to like pretty much every position player on the team, I dunno, but there are only so many ways to explain a 55-pitch outing in which a guy threw enough strikes and only surrendered three runs.

    At this point, assuming the team doesn't make any immediate changes, it looks like RRS is in line to get another, what, three or four starts before Bedard comes back? I don't even know what it would take for him to hold onto this spot anymore, given what Jason Vargas and Doug Fister have done. I suppose he could turn things around while one of the other guys melts down, but that's unlikely. Put simply, he's pitched himself out of a job in the rotation. Appears to be something of a lame duck. Probably temporary, since who knows what could happen and we'll need starters again in 2011, but it's still a lousy situation.

    You know what'd be nice? Still being in the race when Bedard shows up. Otherwise that'd be a total bust.

  • I'm too old and weary to make a big stink of blown calls anymore, but in the top of the fourth, with the bases loaded and one down, Josh Wilson hit a grounder to third, where Miguel Tejada stepped on the bag for one out and threw to first for the double play. His throw pulled Garrett Atkins off the base, but Atkins was able to spin and tag Wilson on the back. Only he didn't actually apply a tag. He came close, but he missed. Unfortunately Angel Hernandez was only looking at Wilson's front and assumed that Atkins made the play. That blown call directly cost us one run, and it also cost us Adam Moore with men on the corners. So in conclusion, that blown call cost us one run, and whatever negative runs Adam Moore might've produced. That was an important run at the time.

  • Josh Wilson went 0-4, stranded 7 runners, and caused six of our 27 outs. His performance today isn't any more indicative of his ability than his performance on Sunday, which is why we have to defer to looking at his performance over his career, which is why we call him bad.

  • There was a very audible "Wake up Griffey" chant as we headed to the ninth inning, and when he finally came on to pinch-hit, he was getting heckled by everyone within shouting distance. It'll be interesting to see whether he or Bradley gets heckled more upon Bradley's return (if Griffey's still here). The Bradley heckles might be more malicious in nature, but Griffey could end up having him beat in word count. Allegedly falling asleep in the clubhouse is really easy material, and fans on the road have little reason to bite their tongues.

  • When Griffey pinch-hit, he put a classic Griffey swing on an Alfredo Simon 1-2 fastball. I mean classic. I thought he got all of it. I know people say that a lot about Griffey now, but I literally threw my arms in the air and shouted when I saw him make contact. I knew that ball was gone. Then it died 20 feet in front of the track. Shannon says Griffey hit a few balls near the warehouse in batting practice, and there's obviously no reason to think she's lying, but this swing, more than any other swing Griffey's taken all season, convinced me that he's toast. He can't do to Major League pitchers what he does to guys in batting practice. He can't do it anymore.

  • Ryan Langerhans threw Tejada out at home in the third inning. The throw was strong, and the throw was perfect, arriving at home plate on a line from a distance of like 250 or 300 feet. I had no idea Langerhans' arm had that kind of strength. I'll say it again - unless he completely falls apart, I don't see how this team could possibly justify sending Langerhans away. Not when the lineup is doing what it's doing.

  • Down 5-1 in the top of the eighth, Jose Lopez came up with two on and lifted a 2-2...changeup? cutter? deep to left center. Corey Patterson caught the ball above his head with his back to the wall. Rather than make another crack at Lopez's expense about his lack of power, I'll say that, on a day with nicer conditions, that ball leaves the yard. This is what they mean when they say it's a game of inches. This, and a million other things, too.

  • Ty Wigginton broke up an early double play by reaching his arms in the air and blocking a throw with his wrist. I can't believe that move is allowed. 

  • Jesus Colome had to come out with some kind of minor injury, which, hey, all right.

  • This probably deserves a post of its own at some point, but our catchers are terrible. Rob Johnson's a backup, and Adam Moore looks like he barely knows what he's doing anymore. Maybe Moore is gathering valuable experience and a lightbulb's about to turn on, but it seems to me that he's lost, and he doesn't look to be improving. I know getting sent back to Tacoma wouldn't exactly help his confidence, but the organization should evaluate whether that's in his long-term best interest. One problem is that the team doesn't have any other catchers on the 40-man roster, but I've got some ideas.

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"a guy threw enough strikes and only surrendered three runs."

Jeff I got to say that three runs in three innings pitched is pretty bad.

I don’t blame Wak at all for the yank, and just hope that RRS is out of the rotation now, until he gets it back together again.

by Sam Regens on May 12, 2010 10:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Via Matthew in the game thread:
You know people, RRS is not having a bad start.
4 swinging strikes, 6 ground balls, 3 flies, 2 line drives.

Stop seeing results

(original post)

Tejada’s double (the “most important pitch” on today’s chart) was on a change up about letter-high off the outside corner after a decent pitch sequence that saw Hyphen go up 0-2 and then 1-2; Tejada ended up fouling off curveball at his ankles before pushing the double. Here’s the AB on Gameday.

Hyphen wasn’t necessarily “good.” But I think the only bad pitch he threw all day was Luke Scott’s home run. He had a few innings left in him. And I certainly think, results aside, that he threw better than Snell.

by harkening on May 12, 2010 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

The reality check on Josh Wilkson is pretty saddening.

Since he has job security now for a while with Jack Wilson on the DL, I hope he doesn’t suddenly start sucking again.

by Sam Regens on May 12, 2010 10:06 PM PDT reply actions  

It's early still, and this team is better than 2008's (or it should be),

but realistically when are we out of it? We’re already below 10% on our playoff odds and even when we get some regression, there are still some major holes on the roster. Is Texas just the better team?

by Cantu Easley Winn on May 12, 2010 10:14 PM PDT reply actions  

I hope the catcher position is solved with Ryan Doumit.

Quick, trade josh wilson before he gets worse. I mean, the Pirates took cedeno. They will need to replace him with someone.

by FisteeFisterer on May 12, 2010 10:29 PM PDT reply actions  

What about Chris Iannetta?

The Rockies seem to hate him with a burning passion. He was fantastic in 08 and still above average (major league hitter average, not just catcher average) last year, but he lost his job to Mariner reject Miguel Olivo after 8 games. I bet we can get him for peanuts and a soda.

by Jon S. on May 12, 2010 11:19 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

At least it's a quality 300 PAs.

Thats more than our catching tandem will combine for this year. I’m getting sick of watching the same shitty at bats over and over. I’m ready to slit my wrist to see some kind of run.

by FisteeFisterer on May 12, 2010 10:42 PM PDT reply actions  

I didn't see the game, but I can empathize with the Griffey PH experience

Last year I was at a doubleheader (against the Rays, I think). It was a tie game in the bottom of the ninth, we loaded the bases with two outs and Griffey came in to pinch hit. He put the sweetest swing on the ball. The crack of the bat was perfect, the trajectory was perfect, the crowd (already on its feet in anticipation) erupted… It was amazing. And then the ball just died on the warning track. He couldn’t have gotten much more of that pitch. He just doesn’t have the heroics in him anymore. I’m just as sad for him tonight as I was after that game last year. He must be lying awake right now, asking himself what more he can possibly do. If perfect isn’t good enough anymore, what’s left?

Of course, last year his teammates came through and won the game in extras. But then again, that’s how last year was. This year is different so far. And that’s sad, too.

by Jon S. on May 12, 2010 10:52 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Although last year he still had enough power to hit 19 of them.

And a few were at a good time too. But that’s sad about the one he (almost) hit today.

by Hopefulmsfan on May 13, 2010 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

And I'm sure he'll hit a dozen or so this year if he continues to get regular playing time.

But Griffey’s old to the point where you can’t tell by the crack of the bat anymore. It may look perfect and sound perfect, but you still need to wait and see. The classic Griffey no-doubter just doesn’t happen anymore.

by Jon S. on May 13, 2010 9:10 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Actually you don't need to wait and see

Griffey is incapable of anything resembling power at this point.

by pdb on May 13, 2010 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

We're through one-fifth of the season

and I don’t think the way to look at it is that we’re 5.5 games back. Texas is 18-16, so they’re 2 games over .500. Seattle at 13-20 is 7 games below .500. You’re not actually contending until you’re at or above .500.

This could be a rough road trip. We have to play Tampa again, and their starting pitching is comparable to ours whereas their lineup is significantly better 1-9. When any of our starters give up 3 runs through 7, the socalled “quality start,” it’s unusual if they’re in a position to win.

Everyone knows the problems with the lineup. The Griffey nap business probably makes it less likely he’ll gracefully retire, unless he really gets down below .200.

It looks like the team will waste a season of Felix + Cliff Lee. Of course I hope I’m wrong. I hope Figgins and Lopez and Kotchman all start to hit, Saunders breaks out, etc. I hope we have Bradley return and become the everyday DH. We’ll see.

ignacio

by ignacio on May 13, 2010 12:49 AM PDT reply actions  

Except in this division

 the winner will probably have low to mid 80’s in wins. That means yeah, you can actually be contending when you’re under .500.

Yeah, Tampa’s a tough team, but. . . okay, there is no but. It could get ugly.

by Cantu Easley Winn on May 13, 2010 1:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Could Josh Bard possibly be worse than RoJo/Moore?

No. They won’t dump favorite retard son Johnson, so send Moore down and bring up Bard. Then sign/trade for whatever replacement-level catcher is out there.

I remember when Kenji going back to Japan was a good thing. God this team sucks.

by lemonverbena on May 13, 2010 7:48 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

It was a good thing for it freeing up money.

It was bad because both of our catchers now are terrible.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on May 13, 2010 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

I know the rules are not enforced to the letter, but here's the passage (cutting and pasting):

7.08 Any runner is out when—
(b) He intentionally interferes with a thrown ball; or hinders a fielder attempting to make a play on a batted ball;
OR this section may apply:
7.09 It is interference by a batter or a runner when—
(e) Any batter or runner who has just been put out, or any runner who has just scored, hinders or impedes any following play being made on a runner. Such runner shall be declared out for the interference of his teammate;
Rule 7.09(e) Comment: If the batter or a runner continues to advance after he has been put out, he shall not by that act alone be considered as confusing, hindering or impeding the fielders.

They give leeway to the umpires in both of those sections. But hey, why have written rules when it’s our collective baseball conscience which actually determines what’s allowed? Or maybe it’s just our vile umpire overlords who determine the rules they are going to enforce that day. Ump A: “Are we allowing the phantom double-play turn today?” Ump B: “Eh… I had Pho for dinner so we need to get this game over quick, so yeah.”

by LonelyintheBleachers on May 13, 2010 8:07 AM PDT reply actions  

Luke French

I think that last night makes it very likely that Luke French will get a few starts before Bedard comes back. Snell and RRS both had their chances to stay in the rotation and both failed to take advantage. French has been excellent in AAA and there seems to be little to lose by bringing him up as a bridge between now and Bedard.

by Steve J. on May 13, 2010 9:31 AM PDT reply actions  

Bringing up French means someone goes down

Who’s going to go down? RRS can’t. Snell can’t. Besides, French hasn’t been that good.

by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

What about DL RRS?

RRS has lost all the zip on his fastball. Over the last two starts, he has failed to touch 90 mph, topping out at 89.7 mph. In his last start of the 2009 season, his average fastball was above this number, and he topped out at 93.1 mph. Clearly, something is not right, and while mechanics may be the problem, I am betting that it is more likely RRS is not healthy. As for who replaces him, I would rather see French than Snell. What are the other options in AAA? Steven Shell isn’t on the 40-man, and Garrett Olson has only two appearances this year over five innings.

by Steve J. on May 13, 2010 2:14 PM PDT reply actions  

RRS' fastball is barely down in velocity

and players are frequently a little below 100% in April and early May. I don’t think he’s hurt. I think he’s just scuffling.

by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

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