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13-19, Game Thoughts

This image captures the entire spectrum of feelings O's fans have for their team right now.

Some games are important to win because they improve your team's chances of winning a championship. Some games are important to win because they set or approach some kind of record or involve a notable personal achievement. And some games are important to win because you're tired of hearing about somebody's nap.

The sooner the team starts playing good baseball, the sooner we can put this whole story and its completely disproportionate reaction behind us. There's plenty of actual significance to talk about. Let's talk about it.

  • A few weeks ago when we played Baltimore, I remarked that the games are kind of all downside. You're expected to win, so the wins don't feel great, and if you lose, it feels awful. Funny how things change when you're 12-19. All of a sudden, the games feel big. You still expect to win, but you're a lot less certain, and the uncertainty adds some excitement. So what if it was Cliff Lee vs. David Hernandez? You just never know with these guys, and with the team in a rut and in need of some wins, there's an intensity and sense of desperation that's normally absent. The Mariners sent the O's to 9-24 today and I actually celebrated, because this game was important. All these games are important. With the lack of wiggle room the M's have given themselves, every game is important.

  • Business as usual for Cliff Lee, who just threw strike after strike after strike. No, he didn't record a ton of whiffs, but he got ahead of just about everybody, and on a wet, cold day against a feeble lineup, there wasn't much danger of balls in play doing a lot of damage. If you're ever going to pitch to contact, tonight was the time.

    Plus, Lee pulled out the strikeouts when he had to. With one out and two in scoring position in the bottom of the fourth, he struck out Ty Wigginton. And with one out and men on the corners in the bottom of the seventh, he struck out Nolan Reimold. Only a weak opposite-field blooper by Garrett Atkins came between Lee and a scoreless 7+ innings. Lee has made three starts with the M's, and already we might be spoiled.

  • Miguel Batista is the most unwatchable pitcher I've ever had the pleasure of seeing. Batista has decent stuff, but he can't control it. He takes forever to throw. He has long at bats. He doesn't make the most of his weapons. And he frequently seems to have a bad attitude.

    Cliff Lee can control his pitches. He works very quickly. He has short at bats. He absolutely makes the most of his stuff. And whenever they show him on camera, he's smiling. Cliff Lee is the complete opposite of Miguel Batista, and the complete opposite of the most unwatchable pitcher I've ever seen must therefore be the most watchable pitcher I've ever seen. You know how people used to say that they liked watching Washburn, even though he wasn't very good, because he was aggressive and worked quick? Lee is like that, only with talent. Dare I say he's even more watchable than Felix. Though Felix is more unhittable, he's prone to these frustrating spells of inconsistency the likes of which I can't even imagine Lee going through.

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    I hate a weak chin. Josh Wilson has a weak chin. Ewww


  • In the top of the fifth, trailing 1-0, Dave Trembley elected to intentionally walk Ichiro to get to Chone Figgins. The Orioles are 9-24. There is an analytical angle to questioning this decision, and there is a "you're terrible and you should just let your pitcher get some experience" angle, too.

  • Orioles fans have a lot to be disappointed about, but how disappointed must they be in David Hernandez? Hernandez has three pitches, a fastball in the mid-90s, and a minor league strikeout rate of 10.4 per nine, including 11.1 in the upper levels. Over 26 starts in the bigs, though, he's been lost, his command deserting him and his swinging strike rate dropping to less than half what it was in AAA Norfolk. Hernandez has always walked his fair share and he's always had a tendency to seed the clouds with his balls in play, but there's promise in there, promise he hasn't begun to display with the O's. Without missed bats, he doesn't have any of the things you need to be an effective Major League starter. He isn't even cute.

  • With two on and one down in the bottom of the eighth, Brandon League really wanted a double play. So what'd he do? He did this to Miguel Tejada:

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    That's four pitches low and away. Four mid-90s tailing fastballs low and away, to be precise. Sure enough, Tejada bounced the fourth one to Chone Figgins to end the inning. What are you supposed to do with that? Brandon League threw the perfect at bat, and took the stick almost completely out of Tejada's hands. Tejada's been a decent hitter for a while, and he didn't stand a chance.

  • First, the good: Jose Lopez fielded a killer short-hop in the seventh and made a difficult play off the bat of Tejada look easy. We can't use these numbers for any predictive purposes, but in the early going, Lopez leads the league in UZR and places second in +/-, suggesting that he's certainly done a phenomenal job at his new position. If there was any adjustment period, we sure as hell haven't seen it. Or maybe this is the adjustment period and he's going to be completely flawless. Hmm...

    Now, the bad: it's May 11th, and Jose Lopez has a .523 OPS. He went 0-5, and 0-4 in hitter-friendly counts, failing to make solid contact. The ninth inning saw him get ahead 2-0 and then fly out on a fastball down and in off the plate. We've always known that Lopez has a bad approach, and with his inability to hit the ball hard anywhere but left field, the last thing we need him to do is start pressing, which is a real danger given the lack of support elsewhere in the lineup. I don't know what the solution is for Lopez, but this is getting the feel of more than just a normal little dry spell.

  • Josh Wilson swings like he means it. He swings with the conviction of a lumberjack, or a grown-up. A lot of slap-hitting guys like Willie Ballgame or David Eckstein will go up and just try to play pepper, spraying it around the infield. Josh Wilson swings as if the baseball weren't bigger than his head. It's the damndest thing. Josh Wilson is a generous 6' and 175 on Jupiter, but one of these days he'll swing himself right out of his L.A. Lights. 

  • Ryan Langerhans also swings like he means it. We know that Ryan Langerhans likes to hunt. From the way he swings, one wonders if he hunts with a gun.

  • Langerhans went deep and hit another ball near the track today, while Michael Saunders smacked his third extra-base hit in what was his eighth trip to the plate. Saunders now has hits - and extra-base hits, for that matter - in three consecutive games, which is made all the more impressive considering how much we saw him struggle a year ago. He's also made contact on 18 of his 21 swings. With Langerhans flashing power and a ton of patience while Saunders shows off the ability to translate his Major League skillset into Major League success, things are going to be mighty interesting upon Milton Bradley's return. I don't think anyone's in any kind of hurry to see either of these two players go.

  • With Griffey on second in the sixth, Rob Johnson lined a single to left field, advancing Griffey to third base. Nolan Reimold bobbled the ball, though, allowing Griffey to score and Johnson to move to second. It's one thing for an outfielder to bobble a ball when he's in a rush to make a play. It's quite another for an outfielder to bobble a ball when it's Ken Griffey Jr. and a catcher on base. Griffey wasn't a threat to round third. As a matter of fact, he came to an almost complete stop. And it's not like Johnson was going anywhere. But Reimold still went and got himself in a big damn hurry, fumbling the ball and giving away two bases. There's a guy with little situation awareness. Granted, it was raining and I'm sure the ball was wet, but with Griffey going to third and Rob Johnson going to first, Reimold could've stopped the ball, taken off his glove, picked the ball up with both hands, and dried it on his jersey. Nobody was going to run.

  • Watching Griffey run is not as fun as watching Lopez run.

  • Says the promo: If you're not watching the Mariners in high-definition, here's what you're missing. I won't spoil the ad for those of you who haven't seen it, but needless to say, it's deceptive.

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Texas lost as well.

Always nice to gain some ground.

I bought into it

by ChaseB on May 11, 2010 9:15 PM PDT reply actions  

And the Angels are losing 6-0 to the Rays in the seventh.

Huzzah.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on May 11, 2010 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not to attack you, but just as a pre-emptive strike:

This is not an open thread, and if you’d like a prolonged discussion on other games, please go to the game thread. Thanks!

by Jeff Sullivan on May 11, 2010 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was just adding to why the game was important.

I understand though, won’t happen again.

I bought into it

by ChaseB on May 11, 2010 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, you're fine

I just wanted to stop the subthread before it grew.

by Jeff Sullivan on May 11, 2010 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Jose Lopez were hitting like his usual league-average self, he'd be one of the best players in baseball so far.

That’s a hilarious thought, but I’m not convinced that it is of any consequence since Lopez is trolling us by finding new ways to be a league average player. Next year he’ll hit like Pujols and field like drunken Adam Dunn.

by abender20 on May 11, 2010 9:32 PM PDT reply actions  

We've all said this before, but Cliff Lee is really awesome.

Totally agree that he’s a joy to watch.

"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."

by Fearless Frog on May 11, 2010 9:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Just please keep the "new guys", Langerhans, Wilson, and Saunders, in the line-up

If not for them, it really could have been one of those nights where the M’s could give no run support to good starting pitching again.

Ichiro did his job and had a double, and got on base 3 times out of 5, but he had no runs scored thanks to Figgins (except his sole add-on hit in the 9th), fucking Lopez, etc. the "regular" guys.

Without those new guys and Rob Johnson having an anomaly, it could easily have been one of those zero nights again.

If Kotchman and Jack Wilson just have to come back, they better find a way to rest Figgins and Lopie instead of getting rid of one of the new guys (Langerhans, Wilson, and Saunders).

by Sam Regens on May 11, 2010 9:57 PM PDT reply actions  

Who makes more sense to go once Bradley comes back—Griffey or Sweeney?

Bench would be Langerhans, Wilson, Sweeney/Griffey and Moore. Langerhans gives us a lefty with at least somewhat of a bat off the bench, but the guys most frequently pinch hit for are the righties. I could see a case for either being retained.

FUCK THE MARINERS!

by Fuckmikereilly on May 11, 2010 10:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Can't wait to hear the audio of Lee's postgame presser

Brock and Salk said Lee stopped and refused to continue until LaRue left the room.

Link

by Brian Floyd on May 11, 2010 10:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Kind of wish it was just dropped

and I don’t know that LaRue necessarily deserves that treatment as I doubt he just made that up.

At the same time, glad to see the show of solidarity from Lee.

FUCK THE MARINERS!

by Fuckmikereilly on May 11, 2010 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm more disappointed that Mike Sweeney decided to make a big scene

and make it impossible for the two players to settle this quietly with Griffey.

by BrianL on May 11, 2010 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I heard somewhere that he challenged the players to fight him.

Not sure if that’s true but if it is…wow.

"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."

by Fearless Frog on May 11, 2010 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, just read that it is.

Way to go, hugger.

"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."

by Fearless Frog on May 11, 2010 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

No way? Did he leave?

I don’t quite get the childish, 5th grade attitude of baseball players.

by RustyJohn on May 11, 2010 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm surprisingly torn on this.

I don’t think LaRue should suffer for writing what he did (unless he flat out made it up). However I respect a player’s point of view that he shouldn’t be under obligation to talk to a reporter if he doesn’t want to.

Conclusion: access to a post game press conference means jack diddly anyways.

by Matthew on May 11, 2010 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

True, the presser itself isn't a big deal

Losing basically all access to players, however, hinders his job in a big way. Unless it dies down soon, which it probably will, it’s going to be a pain to write the way he wants to.

by Brian Floyd on May 11, 2010 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

My guess is this blows over in a day or two.

I understand what they’re trying to do, but they’re not going to be able to permanently keep him away from press conferences.

by Teej on May 11, 2010 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

It isn't the press conferences that matter

Being able to conduct interviews and grab quotes is the pain in this. But yeah, I don’t see this last more than a few days.

by Brian Floyd on May 11, 2010 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

The players will be pissed for a while and LaRue might get the silent treatment,

but this appears to me to be more of a team-building exercise than a true stand against anyone. LaRue’s the only person whose name was on that article, so it’s natural that he’s going to take the brunt of it. They don’t like that he wrote it, but I don’t think anyone on the team truly believes he just made up quotes. They’re trying to preserve a fragile clubhouse. A few wins should bring things back to normal.

Please win, guys.

by Teej on May 11, 2010 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Note that I am speaking more in the abstract here.

This is dumb because LaRue has a press pass issued from the team. He’s allowed in the pool for the post game presser. Lee refusing to talk until LaRue leaves is beyond his objectionable rights as a Mariner employee.

by Matthew on May 11, 2010 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I can't judge Cliff Lee for acting the way he did, even though I don't personally like it.

I’m just sad to see LaRue taking so much heat for reporting something that by all accounts has happened plenty of times in the past, even if it didn’t happen this particular time.

by Jeff Nye on May 11, 2010 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't agree with the bullying of reporters

But it’s also something that happens far too often in sports reporting and is almost part of the culture.

by Brian Floyd on May 11, 2010 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's just hard to reconcile people acting like this is some huge secret that LaRue "outed", and thus justifying the shunning he's getting

When the reality seems to be that just about everybody covering the Mariners knows that this certainly wouldn’t be the first nap Griffey has taken “on the job”.

by Jeff Nye on May 12, 2010 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Everybody knew it, but nobody really reported it

LaRue crossed a line, and regardless of whether he was justified in doing so, given the timing, the response was predictable, and one wonders about the benefit of reporting this in the first place.

by Jeff Sullivan on May 12, 2010 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right

I guess the guys with access see plenty of stuff that goes unreported. Reporters want more than a press pass, they want access to players’ off field lives. That’s what makes up the meat of an article. In exchange for letting their guard down in front of pressmen, players have to be able to trust them not to report on certain things.

LaRue broke that trust, and in doing so, writing his post in the tone that he did, he ensured that the Ms don’t release Griffey for a month at least. No way an organization as player-centric as this one releases him when everyone in the clubhouse is rallying around him.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on May 12, 2010 7:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

No offense, Jeff and Bearskin, but this kind of thinking drives me nuts.

This story is not about Griffey’s off-field life. Things like whether a player had an argument with his wife that morning or made some bad investments would be about a player’s off-field life, and while reporters certainly know about that stuff, there’s a reason you don’t see reporters reporting on it.

“Reporters want more than a press pass, they want access to players’ off field lives.”

LaRue reported on why Griffey wasn’t available to pitch-hit. Griffey napping during the game, in a situation that could have on-field impact, is directly in-bounds. Maybe the players thought LaRue crossed that line, but they’re wrong. If other reporters knew that Griffey had napped in the clubhouse during games (not before or after games), they abdicated their responsibility to report it.

“LaRue broke that trust, and in doing so, writing his post in the tone that he did, he ensured that the Ms don’t release Griffey for a month at least.”

… given the timing, the response was predictable, and one wonders about the benefit of reporting this in the first place.

It’s not LaRue’s responsibility to do anything that would make Griffey easier or harder for the organization to release. It’s not his responsibility to weigh the benefit for the team of reporting the story. His responsibility is not to the team or to make it look good or bad. It’s his responsibility to report the facts to the public, and that (as far as we know) is what he did.

Again, not coming down on you guys in particular – this is just a bit of a hot button for me.

by Chris Hafner on May 12, 2010 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

I don't have a fundamental problem with LaRue's piece

I don’t think it is necessarily his job to report on the nap if it has always been standard practice for Griffey, and it sounds like it has if everyone knew it. Reporting on it now of all times, and writing with such certainty about imminent release, shifts the focus form real, on field issues to peripheral ones and I do have a problem with that although not a serious one.

By the way, when I say off-field I mean that very literally; it’s the things that happen behind the closed club house doors whether before during or after the game. These are the things we, as fans, don’t get to see, and some for good reason.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on May 12, 2010 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, if the issue is *how* LaRue reported it instead of whether he crossed a line to report it, I completely agree.

For one thing, he effectively “buried the lede” by putting this (sure to spark interest) piece of information deep in his piece. For another, the whole point of his post was that Junior is sure to be released soon, an assertion that he makes with great certainty but without any sort of direct backup. And for another, the sleep portion of the story was backed up by unnamed sources, which is disappointing but I guess expected nowadays.

So no, I don’t think this is LaRue’s best piece. But the one specific thing I wanted to respond to here was whether LaRue was out of bounds in reporting this, and I don’t think he was. What’s most disappointing to me from the organization’s response is that they’re blaming the messenger rather than addressing the root problem that Griffey was napping during a game (probable) or that two players are lying about him (possible, I suppose, but unlikely). The two players and LaRue are just passing on the truth and being penalized for it.

by Chris Hafner on May 12, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's certainly a very unusual situation

personally, I don’t really know on which side I come down. I see why LaRue reported what he did. I see how it’s a relevant bit of information. But I also see how it’s provocative without benefit, and if this is something Griffey’s been doing for a while – which it apparently is – why report it now, when you know damn well what the reaction’s going to be? What purpose does it serve? I’m all about getting Griffey off the team somehow, but I don’t think anybody wants him embroiled in controversy.

I guess it comes down to selectivity. LaRue could’ve told his story without including the nap. He has no responsibility to do so, of course, but is the extra traffic worth everything else?

I’m not sure.

by Jeff Sullivan on May 12, 2010 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

I feel like the nap was a throw-in with the story

Of course, he had to have known that the nap would become the story. If he was using it to draw in readers and get across his real point that Griffey is done, I understand. He still had to understand that his point would be lost when the nap story got picked up and ran with.

by Brian Floyd on May 12, 2010 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

In terms of the purpose it serves, I think there is one in the context of the piece.

LaRue’s piece was about Griffey’s tenure with the team coming to an end, and this was one of the pieces of evidence he was using to illustrate that point because it seemingly shows a lack of commitment from both Griffey (napping) and Wakamatsu (didn’t know, or didn’t care enough to have him woken up). That paints a picture in which it’s not hard to imagine the two parties parting ways.

Like I said a few comments up, I’m not really enthralled with the way LaRue did it, but I’m not going to blame him for reporting this. Neither am I going to blame the two players – reading their quotes, it didn’t appear that they had any malicious intent (especially the second player), they were just perhaps naive in terms of how the public would view that.

Like you, I’m ready to have the whole thing go away because it’s annoying. Less so the initial story for me (I thought it was good for a chuckle) but because this ridiculous response to LaRue from the players and the witch hunt for the two players seems so misguided that it just makes me sad.

by Chris Hafner on May 12, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I get where they're coming from, though

This is something players don’t do, and it’s something sportwriters seldom write. It’s important for the team to stay together as a unit and to keep clubhouse matters in the clubhouse, and for that reason they need to make an example of this.

by Jeff Sullivan on May 12, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think we're actually more in agreement than it appears.

It makes sense to me that they’d use this as an opportunity to pull together and play the “us against the world” card. It’s a pretty savvy move for building clubhouse unity.

But while I understand it, I don’t like it at all. They’re punishing a guy for doing his job. They’re not blaming the appropriate party here – Griffey – and are instead blaming the people who are telling the truth about what he did. It’s fundamentally unjust.

To put it another way, the pragmatist in me understand it. The idealist in me thinks it’s amazingly unprofessional and it makes the players look like petulant children. All of me is tired of the drama and wishes Griffey would just go away.

by Chris Hafner on May 12, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

It may be unprofessional, but take it up with Wak or GMZ

Or the owners. It does not need to get to the media before them.

by d0nkey on May 12, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

See, now we're banding together. We few, we happy few.

Mike Sweeney might actually have a plan. Or not.

by Kermit. on May 11, 2010 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions   5 recs

Yeah, it's funny how a guy who is supposed to be this awesome saint-like figure

Has basically done something better suited to a sixth-grade playground.

by Jeff Nye on May 11, 2010 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

You know that's too easy

Sweeney was acting in the best interests of the clubhouse. It’s his only purpose, and he serves it well.

by Jeff Sullivan on May 11, 2010 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure I agree that that's the effect, although I agree that was probably his intent.

At least two players aren’t rallying behind Mr. Awesome Sweeney, after all.

I imagine the players are sort of in the same place as we are at this point; wishing the whole story would go away. But stuff like Sweeney’s antics fans the fires, rather than letting things settle down.

by Jeff Nye on May 12, 2010 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sweeney gave the players an opportunity to stand behind what they did

they didn’t seize it (not that you’d expect them to, in front of everybody). The message has been sent, and now – in theory – it’ll be a more cohesive unit as the clubhouse looks to put all this in the past.

by Jeff Sullivan on May 12, 2010 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, that could happen...

Or the clubhouse could splinter further into those who think that the two unnamed players did the team a service by trying to help Griffey out the door, and the gritty veterans who think that the unwritten code of the clubhouse was breached, etc etc.

Even independent of this story, Griffey and Sweeney could be the nicest guys in the world; but I have to imagine there is a non-trivial portion of the 25 man roster that is as frustrated as we are about the fact that the team isn’t making simple, easy moves to try to win as many games as possible.

I see Sweeney’s actions as more of a potential wedge than a benefit, but I admit that I’m not a pro athlete and might not fully understand how their minds work.

by Jeff Nye on May 12, 2010 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Baseball players don't see things the way we do

A lot of the clubhouse loved Jose Vidro right up until the end. In the Mariners’ eyes – I’m guessing – Ken Griffey Jr. and Mike Sweeney are proven, veteran hitters who just need some more time to get things straightened out.

by Jeff Sullivan on May 12, 2010 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

I imagine that in the main you're right.

I still don’t like it, though.

But unless it is the catalyst for Griffey’s exit, I think I’m with you in hoping for this whole stupid story to go away, and I’m fine with whatever makes that happen short of LaRue losing his job.

by Jeff Nye on May 12, 2010 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know that that's true

People can live with underperformance. Griffey’s old. Falling asleep in the clubhouse is a whole other kettle of fish.

by Jeff Sullivan on May 12, 2010 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I guess my question is, do we have any reason to even think that is realistic at this point?

Hitting like an NL pitcher: not enough to get Griffey or Sweeney cut.

Falling asleep in the clubhouse during a game: not enough to get Griffey cut.

I think we’re probably stuck with Griffey at this point, at least through whatever the last bobble-head day is.

And that realization is a very depressing one.

by Jeff Nye on May 12, 2010 1:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Its only May

There is a lot of baseball left to go.

by Edgar for Pres on May 12, 2010 1:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

There's a difference between "cut" and "placed on the DL"

They aren’t going to cut him. They aren’t. That’s crazy. But I wouldn’t be surprised to see them do something soon. I’m sure they wanted to give him every opportunity to show some life. He hasn’t, and they won’t put up with this all year long.

by Jeff Sullivan on May 12, 2010 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

So are we going to see KGJ OF soon?

I think I’d be willing to play him in the OF if that speeds injury. There would be a kind of romanticism to it, like in The Spy Who Came In From The Cold.

You let him go out there and make one last self-sacrificing dive. He gets the catch, comes up lame, and goes on the 60 day with a final moment that at least looks more athletic than geriatric.

A few days of Griffdawg, COF can’t cost us more than 6-7 runs. Another two months of Griffdawg, DH will cost us 10-12.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on May 12, 2010 7:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think we need all the help we can get.

Punting OF defense hoping Jr will get hurt, but not knowing when, is not going to help us.

by Mariner John on May 12, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is odd to hear from you.

What Sweeney did is draw a line and permanently cause fracture. The players who he called out will never feel a part of this team as long as Sweeney and Griffey are on it. It is very simple group dynamics. The leader of a group must do things to make the whole inclusive, not exclusive. What Sweeney did is the exact opposite.

by Sec 108 on May 12, 2010 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know if that's true, though

It’s just as likely, if not moreso, that Sweeney was just teaching a couple younger players a lesson about being in a big league clubhouse. They screwed up, they’ve seen what happens, and now they’re better for it.

by Jeff Sullivan on May 12, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Doesn't that lesson only get learned if the team is good though?

Putting someone in their place on a bad team turns them into Ian Snell.

by Sec 108 on May 12, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can't say

I would assume that Sweeney’s been around long enough to have some idea of what he’s doing.

by Jeff Sullivan on May 12, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I might agree if he had ever been on a good team.

Just because you have personal success at some point in your career does not mean you understand people or how to help and or motivate them.

by Sec 108 on May 12, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know. It's hard for me to see Sweeney as a leader because of how bad he is.

I see this as reeking of veteran entitlement, Sweeney has no place. Sweeney and Griffey are taking jobs away from players who actually deserve to be on a big league roster, it wouldn’t surprise me if more than a few players resent them. If they continue to kill the team the clubhouse may fracture the way the Dodgers’ clubhouse did a few years back.

by Poochie on May 12, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions   4 recs

If they continue to kill the team they won't be around for very long

Figgins is batting .188. Lopez is batting .214. Kotchman is batting .194. Johnson is batting .167. Lots of guys are struggling, and I’m certain that the overwhelming sentiment within the clubhouse is that Griffey and Sweeney are veteran bats who’ll turn it around. We know they’re bad, but players don’t see it the same way. They see what Sweeney and Griffey have done in the past, they see what they do in batting practice, they see what they do in the clubhouse, and they believe in them. Maybe not forever, but probably for now.

by Jeff Sullivan on May 12, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Does that fall under Wak's "Being Accountable Belief System"?

Step 1: Player who is subject of newspaper story gives evasive answer regarding truth of the story.

Step 2: Clubhouse meeting to allow designated hugger to threaten physical violence.

Step 3: Black ball reporter who wrote story.

Step 4: Allow starting pitcher to hold up entire press corps (who have deadlines) so he can throw childish tantrum and refuse to speak until reporter who wrote story leaves.

Good to see you have control of the clubhouse, Wak.

by RustyJohn on May 11, 2010 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions   5 recs

I don't think he threw a tantrum.

No one is reporting that. Lee still gave the post game interview. He showed his solidarity with his teammates in a very reasonable and appropriate way.

Larue really created a no-win situation for everyone. Whether Griffey fell asleep during the game or not is far less relevant than, say, his performance at the plate. However, printing a story about it (with anonymous sources, no less!) serves no purpose other than to drive traffic to his blog. Fair enough, I say, but I’m sure he realized there would be consequences to his self-serving actions.

by Kingdomer on May 12, 2010 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Its an act!

Griffey, LaRue, and Sweeney put this together to try and ignite the team. They’ll bow out gracefully once we win 10 in a row and watch the Mariners win the World Series.

20 years from now it will be made into a movie.

Carlos Silvelite

by OceanBird on May 11, 2010 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Remember a couple weeks ago when Milton Bradley was being questioned by the media and the music suddenly got turned up?

With Bradley going on the restricted list, maybe this was Griffey’s plan to shift the focus away from him. Of course that doesn’t make any sense for many reasons, but it’s fun to imagine.

by Janic on May 11, 2010 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Obviously I love watching Lee pitch...

but what a load of horeshit. I’m sure it’s not just him, but stuff like this drives me crazy.

by Stormton on May 11, 2010 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cliff Lee is amazing.

It’s incredible to watch him throw strike after strike, yet sobering to think of him not being on next year’s squad.

#52

by Cablinasian on May 11, 2010 11:40 PM PDT reply actions  

That's the worst part.

What a tease :(

"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."

by Fearless Frog on May 11, 2010 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I second the whole "Lee being even more fun to watch than Felix" thing.

It’s such a treat that it is going to crush me when he’s leaves.

by SethGrandpa on May 12, 2010 12:03 AM PDT reply actions  

Griffey at bats compared to Langerhans

It’s so crazy to think which guy is the hall of famer which one was just promoted from AAA. Im actually relieved when Griffey walks now. That’s the best we can hope for now.

by FisteeFisterer on May 12, 2010 12:29 AM PDT reply actions  

I always thought that HD ad was silly.

If I don;t have an HD TV or HD cable, how am I going to see what I’m missing. I can’t see it in HD so it looks the same. And now I’m guessing that’s what the joke was.

by Hopefulmsfan on May 12, 2010 12:51 AM PDT reply actions  

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